Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-05-04 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 19:21 -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:30:02PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: Looking at the code, the 4-second delay is only used when the device is actually connected to something. State 3 == DISCONNECTED, state 2 == UNAVAILABLE, so it's

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-05-04 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 02:26:10PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 19:21 -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:30:02PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: Looking at the code, the 4-second delay is only used when the device is actually connected to something.

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-29 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 23:01 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 01:58:57PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 23:06 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 07:10:48PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ben Boeckel wrote: One thing I liked a lot with

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-29 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:30:02PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: Looking at the code, the 4-second delay is only used when the device is actually connected to something. State 3 == DISCONNECTED, state 2 == UNAVAILABLE, so it's performing as expected here. Were there actually an IP address

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-28 Thread Ben Boeckel
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: That's a point. How about no timeout when there's an alternative connection available, timeout when there isn't? In the presence of many wireless connections, not all are equal in regards to access to things and should be treated as such (see other

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 09:46 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 16:35 +, Ben Boeckel wrote: deal with in these cases) than some packets were lost. An option to persist connections despite something probably not actually existing would be nice for situations like this.

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 23:06 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 07:10:48PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ben Boeckel wrote: One thing I liked a lot with my ifconfig scripts/wpa_supplicant pairing is that when wireless is spotty, the network doesn't keep going up and down.

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 19:10 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ben Boeckel wrote: One thing I liked a lot with my ifconfig scripts/wpa_supplicant pairing is that when wireless is spotty, the network doesn't keep going up and down. Instead, applications see lots of dropped packets. When

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-27 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 01:58:57PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 23:06 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 07:10:48PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ben Boeckel wrote: One thing I liked a lot with my ifconfig scripts/wpa_supplicant pairing is that when

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-27 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 04/27/2011 08:48 PM, Dan Williams wrote: NM has had one for a while: 4 seconds. THe problem with longer is that then any time you do disconnect the cable or undock your laptop, NM would think that you were still connected for 10 seconds (or more) until if flipped over to wifi. So there's

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-27 Thread Ben Boeckel
Roberto Ragusa m...@robertoragusa.it wrote: Why not configurable? Or, why not to ask the user? (wired carrier lost for xx seconds, switching to wifi in xx seconds: buttonswitch now, buttonadd another minute) Personally, I've seen that it's usually I want to be on this network until I

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 13:48 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 09:46 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 16:35 +, Ben Boeckel wrote: deal with in these cases) than some packets were lost. An option to persist connections despite something probably not

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 16:35 +, Ben Boeckel wrote: deal with in these cases) than some packets were lost. An option to persist connections despite something probably not actually existing would be nice for situations like this. Or, more simply, just a short time-out on cable disconnect

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-24 Thread Ben Boeckel
Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at said: Newsflash: the network service is DEPRECATED!!! That's what NetworkManager is for. Newsflash: NM doesn't replace the network service yet. Maybe when NM can do everything ifup/ifdown can do,

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-24 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ben Boeckel wrote: One thing I liked a lot with my ifconfig scripts/wpa_supplicant pairing is that when wireless is spotty, the network doesn't keep going up and down. Instead, applications see lots of dropped packets. When reauthentication can take 5 to 10s (or more), assuming that the

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-24 Thread Ben Boeckel
Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: I've found NM to actually be quite tolerant of spotty wireless connections. In fact, usually, it's me who triggers a reconnect (or if possible, a connect to a different access point, e.g. when I'm at the university in a shared building with the

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-24 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 04/24/2011 10:43 PM, Ben Boeckel wrote: Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: I've found NM to actually be quite tolerant of spotty wireless connections. In fact, usually, it's me who triggers a reconnect (or if possible, a connect to a different access point, e.g. when I'm at the

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-24 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 07:10:48PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ben Boeckel wrote: One thing I liked a lot with my ifconfig scripts/wpa_supplicant pairing is that when wireless is spotty, the network doesn't keep going up and down. Instead, applications see lots of dropped packets. When

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-23 Thread Kevin Kofler
Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: Some of them are so trivial, that it looks like nobody is working on it: $ rpm -ql initscripts | xargs egrep /route |/ifconfig --color /etc/rc.d/init.d/network: /sbin/route add -$args /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-aliases:eval $(LC_ALL= LANG=

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-23 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at said: Newsflash: the network service is DEPRECATED!!! That's what NetworkManager is for. Newsflash: NM doesn't replace the network service yet. Maybe when NM can do everything ifup/ifdown can do, the discussion about deprecation can

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-23 Thread Farkas Levente
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 05:25, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at said: Newsflash: the network service is DEPRECATED!!! That's what NetworkManager is for. Newsflash: NM doesn't replace the network service yet.  Maybe when NM can do

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.04.2011 07:30, schrieb Farkas Levente: On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 05:25, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at said: Newsflash: the network service is DEPRECATED!!! That's what NetworkManager is for. Newsflash: NM doesn't replace the

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-17 Thread Xose Vazquez Perez
On 03/28/2011 09:00 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Xose Vazquez Perez (xose.vazquez at gmail.com) said: wireless-tools is deprecated since time ago. iw/rfkill should be used instead it. Not to be entirely glib, but with this and the net-tools dependencies... we're taking patches. Mere

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-17 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Xose Vazquez Perez xose.vazq...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/28/2011 09:00 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Not to be entirely glib, but with this and the net-tools dependencies... we're taking patches. Mere notification is not as useful as contribution. Some of them are