Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/27/2010 12:45 AM, Christopher Aillon wrote: > On 04/23/2010 12:03 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: > We do have an agreement with Mozilla and as such, we are permitted to > use the Firefox and Thunderbird trademarks. You certainly mean: RH has an agreement with Mozilla. That's of no importance in

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Jan Horak
On 04/25/2010 10:00 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > I wrote: >> Those packages are also sometimes not compliant with Fedora policies such >> as usage of system libraries because any patches to use a system library >> need trademark approval. > > Another one: Thunderbird STILL bundles its own Gecko instea

[Test-Announce] Testers for StorageFiltering Test Day Needed

2010-04-27 Thread He Rui
Hi all, So far we have very less attendance in storage test day[1]. I know that installation and storage device may be the barriers for involvements, but for the ones who have RAID, ISCSI, FCoE, multipath devices, can you please spend a little time to participate in this test day? It would be

Re: Please move your ABRT bugs upstream

2010-04-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 19:54 -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote: > On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 10:11 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Christoph Wickert > > wrote: > > > I'm upstreaming reports from 'lazy idiots' too and some of them get > > > fixed. In fact the percentage of the

[Test-Announce] Bugzappers Meeting not planned for 2010-04-27

2010-04-27 Thread Adam Williamson
The meeting slot is coming up in 1hr 50mins (15:00 UTC). We haven't had a lot to discuss lately and there's nothing on the proposed agenda this week, so I'm suggesting not to hold the meeting - if there's anything worse than an unnecessary meeting I'm yet to find it ;). If anyone has something they

F-13 Branched report: 20100427 changes

2010-04-27 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Tue Apr 27 09:15:03 UTC 2010 New package extundelete An ext3 and ext4 file system undeletion utility New package goldendict A feature-rich dictionary lookup program New package json-c A JSON implementation in C New package openvas-scanner Op

[Bug 496369] make check fails

2010-04-27 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=496369 --- Comment #3 from Bug Zapper 2010-04-27 09:45:32 EDT --- This message is a reminder that Fedora 11 is nearing its end of lif

KDE-SIG meeting report (17/2010)

2010-04-27 Thread jreznik
This is a report of the weekly KDE-SIG-Meeting with a summary of the topics that were discussed. If you want to add a comment please reply to this email or add it to the related meeting page. -- = Weekly KDE Summary

os

2010-04-27 Thread jerrick Davis
I made a operating system anyone up for testing it for me -- Lama boy ;-) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

rpms/perl-XXX/devel perl-XXX.spec,1.4,1.5

2010-04-27 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
Author: mmaslano Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-XXX/devel In directory cvs01.phx2.fedoraproject.org:/tmp/cvs-serv19833 Modified Files: perl-XXX.spec Log Message: * Tue Apr 27 2010 Marcela Maslanova - 0.12-6 - Mass rebuild with perl-5.12.0 Index: perl-XXX.spec =

rpms/perl-Date-Manip/devel perl-Date-Manip.spec,1.13,1.14

2010-04-27 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
Author: mmaslano Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Date-Manip/devel In directory cvs01.phx2.fedoraproject.org:/tmp/cvs-serv20908 Modified Files: perl-Date-Manip.spec Log Message: * Tue Apr 27 2010 Marcela Maslanova - 6.07-3 - Mass rebuild with perl-5.12.0 Index: perl-Date-Manip.spec

Re: playing flash regression in f13-beta

2010-04-27 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Luming Yu wrote: > God must have fixed the problem for us. :-) > or some mysterious things happened with the web site > offering the mysterious video, which sometimes working, sometimes > not working It's most likely a connectivity problem associated with ho

Re: os

2010-04-27 Thread Adam Miller
This seems like a strange place to post something like that. In any case, more information would have been nice. -AdamM On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:50 AM, jerrick Davis wrote: > I made a operating system anyone up for testing it for me > > > -- > Lama boy ;-) > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@l

Re: os

2010-04-27 Thread Athmane Madjoudj
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:50 PM, jerrick Davis wrote: > I made a operating system anyone up for testing it for me > > > -- > Lama boy ;-) > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > is it a fedora-based or you meen an edu

Re: rpms/awn-extras-applets/F-12 python_dir.patch, NONE, 1.1 awn-extras-applets.spec, 1.26, 1.27 sources, 1.6, 1.7

2010-04-27 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 21:21:10 + (UTC), Leigh wrote: > Author: leigh123linux > > Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/awn-extras-applets/F-12 > +%{_datadir}/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/awn-extras.mo https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ReviewGuidelines MUST: The spec file MUST handle locales properly. This

Minutes/Summary of todays FESCo meeting (2010-04-27)

2010-04-27 Thread Kevin Fenzi
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2010-04-27) === Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-04-27/fesco.2010-04-27-19.00.log.html Meeting summary -

Recent Bugzilla Comment Concerning Fedora 11 EOL

2010-04-27 Thread John Poelstra
All open Fedora 11 bugs recently received a comment warning about the upcoming end of life for Fedora 11. This email serves as correction to part of that notification. Due to an error on my part this warning was sent out earlier than it should have been. The statement "Approximately 30 (thirt

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: > I think a rather large part of the problem here is that all the above > 'special exception' pleading applies far more to Firefox than it does to > Thunderbird. Firefox is a special exception; it's a phenomenon, the > single most successful F/OSS app, an app with its own ver

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: > You can't modify Fedora under F/OSS principles and still call it Fedora, > just like you can't modify Firefox under F/OSS principles and still call > it Firefox. Both of us do this to protect the good name of the project. > We'd be in an extremely glass house-y situation if

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Peter Lemenkov wrote: > Rebranding can be a difficult task, but this task also can be easily > measured in man-hours, man-days or man-months, and this would be a > ultimate solution, while chatting with lawers can consume much more > time w/o success (nothing personal here). And the rebranding wor

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 23:35 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > In fact, I don't see Firefox as being the "absolute requirement" it's > painted to be at all, we could even consider just not shipping it at all and > picking a different default browser for the GNOME spin, e.g. Epiphany which > is the off

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Christopher Aillon wrote: > Also, in the past, certain distributors have altered or broken standards > compliance in their clients with patches, and in continuing to do so, > they no longer ship with Mozilla trademarks. They have effectively > created a different browser and mail client that behav

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 17:55:39 -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote: > > Epiphany is a non-starter. In the default configuration, it doesn't > validate SSL certificates at all (bug 569577). An unbranded Mozilla > browser would be a much better choice. The way Firefox does it, is more to help compan

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Christopher Aillon wrote: > Mozilla has to bundle to ship on Windows, Mac, even their builds for > Linux where they don't control what versions of libraries are present on > the system, if they are installed at all (hooray choice!). That has > absolutely no bearing at all on Fedora however because

Re: A question about locale files

2010-04-27 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Montag, den 26.04.2010, 23:46 +0800 schrieb Robin 'cheese' Lee: > 1. Directories like /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.* are not provided by any > package. This conflicts with guidelines. file a bug against the filesystem package because it should provide a proper skeleton for the locales. > 2. /usr/

Re: Please move your ABRT bugs upstream

2010-04-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: > Right. There've been times where it hasn't done this properly and that's > when you used to get empty reports from abrt, but that's much less > likely to happy with current code; it's better at making sure the > debuginfos get installed, and also complains a lot more before

re:re:OS

2010-04-27 Thread jerrick Davis
The operating system i made has fedora components but it also has suse components i realy need people to test it before i can release it if you are interested email me at lamabo...@gmail.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 16:59 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 17:55:39 -0400, > Matt McCutchen wrote: > > > > Epiphany is a non-starter. In the default configuration, it doesn't > > validate SSL certificates at all (bug 569577). An unbranded Mozilla > > browser would be

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matt McCutchen wrote: > Epiphany is a non-starter. In the default configuration, it doesn't > validate SSL certificates at all (bug 569577). An unbranded Mozilla > browser would be a much better choice. That's a wrong bug ID. RH/Fedora bug 569577 is a Nautilus crash. GNOME bug 569577 is a Bansh

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 00:35 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matt McCutchen wrote: > > Epiphany is a non-starter. In the default configuration, it doesn't > > validate SSL certificates at all (bug 569577). An unbranded Mozilla > > browser would be a much better choice. > > That's a wrong bug ID. RH/

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bruno Wolff III wrote: > The way Firefox does it, is more to help companies sell certificates than > to actually help security. +1 All it does is it leads people to use completely unencrypted HTTP instead, to avoid the "big scary warnings". How does that provide any added security? I like the w

Re: A question about locale files

2010-04-27 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Mittwoch, den 28.04.2010, 00:05 +0200 schrieb Christoph Wickert: > Am Montag, den 26.04.2010, 23:46 +0800 schrieb Robin 'cheese' Lee: > > > 1. Directories like /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.* are not provided by any > > package. This conflicts with guidelines. > > file a bug against the filesystem

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Chris Tyler
On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 23:55 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > You mean "compliance" with Mozilla's own "standards" such as APNG which > require a bundled hacked version of a system library to support? Kevin, you keep bringing up APNG, so let me address that one. I know the story because the Mozilla im

Re: A question about locale files

2010-04-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Christoph Wickert wrote: >> 1. Directories like /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.* are not provided by any >> package. This conflicts with guidelines. > > file a bug against the filesystem package because it should provide a > proper skeleton for the locales. No, it's this package (gentoo) which is broken

Re: A question about locale files

2010-04-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Robin 'cheese' Lee wrote: > /usr/share/locale/es_MX/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo I'd suggest: mv %{_buildroot}%{_datadir}/locale/es_MX %{_buildroot}%{_datadir}/locale/es if they don't provide a separate es(_ES) translation. Mexican Spanish is not so different from Castillian Spanish that it can't be und

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 23:38 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > You can't modify Fedora under F/OSS principles and still call it Fedora, > > just like you can't modify Firefox under F/OSS principles and still call > > it Firefox. Both of us do this to protect the good name of th

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Chris Tyler wrote: > APNG was created to fill a void -- there was a need for a modern > animated format with two qualities: it needed to be lightweight and > backward-compatible (degrade gracefully). After nearly a year of > discussion and consultation, the PNG group decided not to back it; Becaus

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Mail Lists
On 04/27/2010 05:58 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: The OP had an issue w. thunderbird - which many find to be a pretty decent mail client. This thread has morphed ... As for Firefox, I'd actually prefer to put fedora effort behind chromium - google-chrome is an order of magnitude better than fir

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Ryan Rix
On Sun 25 April 2010 2:55:58 pm Kevin Kofler wrote: > They still suck in the system integration > domain in many ways, e.g. openSUSE's KDE integration patches have yet to > be merged, and of course our maintainers refuse to merge openSUSE's > patches due to the usual trademark concerns In their

Re: A question about locale files

2010-04-27 Thread Robin 'cheese' Lee
On 04/28/2010 07:00 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Robin 'cheese' Lee wrote: > >> /usr/share/locale/es_MX/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo >> > I'd suggest: > mv %{_buildroot}%{_datadir}/locale/es_MX %{_buildroot}%{_datadir}/locale/es > if they don't provide a separate es(_ES) translation. Mexican Spanis

can't mount a 4G USB memory stick (fat)

2010-04-27 Thread Luming Yu
Hi list, I noticed f13-beta can't mount 4G USB memory stick (fat) Any plan to fix it? Thanks, Luming # dmesg | tail sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 23 00 00 00 sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through sdb: sdb1 sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb]

Re: can't mount a 4G USB memory stick (fat)

2010-04-27 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Luming Yu wrote: > Hi list, > > I noticed f13-beta can't mount 4G USB memory stick (fat) > Any plan to fix it? Need more information. 1) Did this work before? 2) FAT16 is limited to 2GB for the most part.. FAT32 is required for 4GB. Although it looks like it was f

Re: can't mount a 4G USB memory stick (fat)

2010-04-27 Thread Luming Yu
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Luming Yu wrote: >> Hi list, >> >> I noticed f13-beta can't mount 4G USB memory stick (fat) >> Any plan to fix it? > > Need more information. > 1) Did this work before? Never tried it before , but it

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
I wrote: > Yes, definitely. We should ask Debian about using the ice* names they're > using, and also share patches with them. An alternative would be using GNU IceCat: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ but they don't have a rebranded Thunderbird. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Mail Lists wrote: > On 04/27/2010 05:58 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > >  The OP had an issue w. thunderbird - which many find to be a pretty > decent mail client. > >  This thread has morphed ... > >  As for Firefox, I'd actually prefer to put fedora effort behind >