Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

2013-03-12 Thread Dan Mashal
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/12/2013 01:30 AM, Dan Mashal wrote: Semantics. Providing a link is helpful to users isn't semantics. You as a package maintainer would be aware of where to look for reviewing the changes before pushing an

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

2013-03-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/12/2013 02:39 AM, Dan Mashal wrote: Right because you do that for every single update you push? For new upstream releases, I certainly try to. Honestly, I'm done arguing my point. Other people in this thread have made arguments for it, other people including yourself have made

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:30:13PM +0100, Björn Persson wrote: After a few iterations I'd also be cursing the idiots who designed such an unfriendly user interface just because they didn't want any text on the screen. After a few iterations you should just enable bootloader menu with

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

2013-03-12 Thread Dan Mashal
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/12/2013 02:39 AM, Dan Mashal wrote: Right because you do that for every single update you push? For new upstream releases, I certainly try to. Honestly, I'm done arguing my point. Other people in this thread

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

2013-03-12 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:57:00PM -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: I'm not doubting your technical skills. I'm making a few points. b) sometimes you have a LOT of packages to push out. c) sometimes even you yourself don't know what to put in the notes. d) sometimes there's really not much else to

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

2013-03-12 Thread Christopher Meng
在 2013-3-12 PM3:03,Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl写道: This sounds like updates that SHOULDN'T be pushed. If update has no changes worth mentioning, it is trivial - trivial updates should not be pushed. If upstream release a minor bug fix version, what should we do? -- devel mailing list

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

2013-03-12 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Tue, 2013-03-12 at 15:14 +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: 在 2013-3-12 PM3:03,Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl写道: This sounds like updates that SHOULDN'T be pushed. If update has no changes worth mentioning, it is trivial - trivial updates should not be pushed. If upstream release a

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

2013-03-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/12/2013 03:14 AM, Christopher Meng wrote: 在 2013-3-12 PM3:03,Tomasz Torcz 写道: This sounds like updates that SHOULDN'T be pushed. If update has no changes worth mentioning, it is trivial - trivial updates should not be pushed. If upstream release a minor bug fix version, what

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

2013-03-12 Thread Dan Mashal
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, 2013-03-12 at 15:14 +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: 在 2013-3-12 PM3:03,Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl写道: This sounds like updates that SHOULDN'T be pushed. If update has no changes worth

Re: twinkle: Intent to retire

2013-03-12 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:03:16 +0100, Jared K. Smith wrote: On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: Has Fedora *ever* had a functional soft-phone? I ask this because I have tried many, and none of them *ever* worked [...] I've successfully used Twinkle for

Re: twinkle: Intent to retire

2013-03-12 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Jan Kratochvil jan.kratoch...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:03:16 +0100, Jared K. Smith wrote: On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: Has Fedora *ever* had a functional soft-phone? I ask this because I have

New groups in comps for F19

2013-03-12 Thread Jan Zelený
Hi guys, as per [1], I'd like to propose some patches for F19 comps. These patches are splitting group called Development Tools into several smaller groups. The purpose of this email is to find out if there is something fundamentally wrong with the change (except for the fact that it is

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread drago01
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:22 PM, seth vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:18:33 -0500 Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: On 03/11/2013 04:13 PM, seth vidal wrote: I want to encourage kids, teenagers, etc to explore the OS. We need them to be involved in

[Bug 916154] Bad summary

2013-03-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=916154 --- Comment #6 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org --- perl-Data-Validate-IP-0.18-2.fc17 has been pushed to the Fedora 17 stable repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report.

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

2013-03-12 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com writes: On 11/03/13 06:28 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: That's not readily apparent in the Updates Policy ... Ah, you're right, I really should have checked it before posting (yet again). I was thinking that it discouraged

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

2013-03-12 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - On 03/12/2013 01:30 AM, Dan Mashal wrote: Semantics. Providing a link is helpful to users isn't semantics. You as a package maintainer would be aware of where to look for reviewing the changes before pushing an update. Users don't since it is different for

Re: Review Request 16: Initial Packaging Work

2013-03-12 Thread Martin Krizek
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://reviewboard-tflink.rhcloud.com/r/16/#review16 --- This looks good to me. - Martin Krizek On March 7, 2013,

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

2013-03-12 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:57:00PM -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: I'm not doubting your technical skills. I'm making a few points. b) sometimes you have a LOT of packages to push out. c) sometimes even you yourself don't know what to put in the notes. d)

Re: Fedora 18 and new version of Gnome (3.7.x)

2013-03-12 Thread Dario Lesca
Il giorno mer, 06/03/2013 alle 12.51 +, Richard W.M. Jones ha scritto: Upgrading to Fedora 19 is not good for end users. That's rather negative. We want to encourage testers. I would suggest to the original poster: Thank Richard! your instructions is what I'm looking for. Thanks!

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread drago01
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 12.03.2013 09:55, schrieb drago01: On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:22 PM, seth vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:18:33 -0500 Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: On 03/11/2013

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/11/2013 09:16 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 11.03.13 13:08, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se wrote: Or nothing at all displayed unless the user happens to know to press some key at the right

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Allan Day
Hi all, On the question of how kernel versions should be accessed, I am very much in favour of the position that Chris Murphy expressed earlier: choosing a kernel version is opaque to most users and requires fairly advanced technical knowledge to understand. Invitations to access boot options

Re: Requesting assistance with packaging a web app: wikindx

2013-03-12 Thread Ankur Sinha
Hi folks, On Mon, 2013-03-11 at 17:58 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: No-one's answered the simplest part of the question yet :) You can make httpd 'use the files in /usr/share' simply by including a config snippet in /etc/httpd/conf.d/ . As Kevin suggests, Wordpress is a decent example,

Re: Should MariaDB touch my.cnf in %post?

2013-03-12 Thread Bjorn Munch
On 08/03 12.56, Michael Scherer wrote: Le mardi 05 mars 2013 à 11:34 +0100, Bjorn Munch a écrit : The package we have ready as an upgrade of the existing one removes some no longer needed patches, adds a few new patches, updates the spec file of course, and also adds an rpmlintrc file. It

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: I would love to see F19 make a good first impression. The first time you see something Fedora-related on the screen currently is the graphical grub screen, followed by the filling-in-Fedora of Plymouth, followed by the

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Alec Leamas
On 2013-03-12 12:45, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: I would love to see F19 make a good first impression. The first time you see something Fedora-related on the screen currently is the graphical grub screen, followed by the

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: Does any other computing device you own prompt you for a boot menu? Your mobile phone? Your TV (which likely has embedded Linux)? Your car? Windows? OS X? Why is that? Could it be because a boot menu is not necessary

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Jiří Eischmann
Allan Day píše v Út 12. 03. 2013 v 11:15 +: Hi all, On the question of how kernel versions should be accessed, I am very much in favour of the position that Chris Murphy expressed earlier: choosing a kernel version is opaque to most users and requires fairly advanced technical knowledge

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Mon, 11.03.13 13:08, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se wrote: Or nothing at all displayed unless the user happens to know to

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 03/12/2013 01:02 PM, Jiří Eischmann wrote: Allan Day píše v Út 12. 03. 2013 v 11:15 +: Hi all, On the question of how kernel versions should be accessed, I am very much in favour of the position that Chris Murphy expressed earlier: choosing a kernel version is opaque to most users

Re: Fwd: MariaDB replacing MySQL

2013-03-12 Thread Norvald H. Ryeng
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:58:03 +0100, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Honza Horak wrote: This doesn't solve all the issues -- if package like akonadi-mysql says Requires: mysql-server, then Oracle MySQL either wouldn't satisfy that requirement or (in case it includes Provides:

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Fabian Deutsch
Von: Máirín Duffy On 03/11/2013 05:13 PM, seth vidal wrote: Is one line of text really that significant of a problem to present? I'm pretty sure it is because of where we are in the process at that point. For example, translations - can we render Indic or CJK glyphs to the screen at this

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 12 mars 2013 09:55, drago01 a écrit : On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:22 PM, seth vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:18:33 -0500 Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: On 03/11/2013 04:13 PM, seth vidal wrote: I want to encourage kids, teenagers, etc to

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 12 mars 2013 13:17, Hans de Goede a écrit : Hi, On 03/12/2013 01:02 PM, Jiří Eischmann wrote: Allan Day píše v Út 12. 03. 2013 v 11:15 +: Hi all, On the question of how kernel versions should be accessed, I am very much in favour of the position that Chris Murphy expressed

tomcat6 unresponsive maintainer deprecation

2013-03-12 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
Tomcat6 package in Fedora is old, has several problematic bugs (including 4 security) and most importantly there's a replacement: tomcat-7.x I believe it is in our (developers as well as users) best interest to get rid of it. I have sent similar email to java-devel on February 26th[1], created

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 12 mars 2013 13:30, Fabian Deutsch a écrit : Von: Máirín Duffy On 03/11/2013 05:13 PM, seth vidal wrote: Is one line of text really that significant of a problem to present? I'm pretty sure it is because of where we are in the process at that point. For example, translations - can

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:52:30 +0100 Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: Le Mar 12 mars 2013 13:30, Fabian Deutsch a écrit : What about pulling the message stuff into plymouth and using dracut to trigger a reboot which shows the grub menu? Something along the lines: Press

Re: Building broken in rawhide for packages requiring mysql? Re: MySQL-libs conflicts with mariadb-libs-5.5.29-7.fc19.x86_64

2013-03-12 Thread Norvald H. Ryeng
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:00:29 +0100, Honza Horak hho...@redhat.com wrote: On 03/11/2013 06:55 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: Hi , On Qua, 2013-03-06 at 09:25 -0600, Richard Shaw wrote: Looks like mariadb has hit rawhide now and I can't build mythtv. I've added conditionals for the direct mysql

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Steve Clark
On 03/12/2013 07:04 AM, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 12.03.2013 09:55, schrieb drago01: On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:22 PM, seth vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:18:33 -0500 Michael Cronenworth

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread drago01
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com wrote: On 03/12/2013 07:04 AM, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 12.03.2013 09:55, schrieb drago01: On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:22 PM, seth vidal

Ruby 2.0 in F19/Rawhide

2013-03-12 Thread Vít Ondruch
Hi everybody, Ruby 2.0 just landed in F19/Rawhide [1]. Since the rebuild was not as fast as one would wish, there will be probably plenty of broken dependencies. I kindly ask you for patience or better for help with fixing any remaining issues. Just rebuild is unfortunately not enough.

[Bug 914316] perl-Net-Twitter-4.00004 is available

2013-03-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=914316 Upstream Release Monitoring upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org changed: What|Removed |Added

Re: Requesting assistance with packaging a web app: wikindx

2013-03-12 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Tue, 2013-03-12 at 22:21 +1100, Ankur Sinha wrote: I'm going to start with roundcubemail and try to package wikindx4 in a similar manner I've looked at a few web apps and made quite a few changes to the spec. However, there are still a few issues that would require heavy patching. I've filed

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Fabian Deutsch
Von: Nicolas Mailhot Gesendet: 12.03.13 13:52 Uhr Le Mar 12 mars 2013 13:30, Fabian Deutsch a écrit : Von: Máirín Duffy On 03/11/2013 05:13 PM, seth vidal wrote: Is one line of text really that significant of a problem to present? I'm pretty sure it is because of where we are in the

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 12 mars 2013 14:16, drago01 a écrit : On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com wrote: I'd say booting is a more common task then messing with bootloader options so lets optimize for the former rather then the later. How many times do you boot your system each

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 12.03.13 09:13, Steve Clark (scl...@netwolves.com) wrote: How many times do you boot your system each day? 10? Okay thats a whole 20 additional seconds. This is way up on my list of most non-sensical arguments about building OSes, right next to Linux is about choice. This bullshit

Re: Building broken in rawhide for packages requiring mysql? Re: MySQL-libs conflicts with mariadb-libs-5.5.29-7.fc19.x86_64

2013-03-12 Thread Honza Horak
On 03/12/2013 02:03 PM, Norvald H. Ryeng wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:00:29 +0100, Honza Horak hho...@redhat.com wrote: if I understand it correctly that the problem is caused by conflicting library names, then it should be solved today (the enhanced package is already building). Why not

[AutoQA] #437: Update repoinfo.conf - Add branch

2013-03-12 Thread AutoQA
#437: Update repoinfo.conf - Add branch -+ Reporter: ausil | Owner: Type: task| Status: new Priority: critical| Milestone: Hot issues Component: production | Keywords: Blocked By: |

Self introduction

2013-03-12 Thread Palle Ravn
Hi all, This is a personal introduction, as I'm hoping to join the package team. The following is a short story of my first encounter with Fedora. I started using Linux as a part of my studies, almost five years ago, and at that time the terminal seemed an odd way of controlling things.

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Steve Clark
On 03/12/2013 09:33 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 12.03.13 09:13, Steve Clark (scl...@netwolves.com) wrote: How many times do you boot your system each day? 10? Okay thats a whole 20 additional seconds. This is way up on my list of most non-sensical arguments about building OSes,

[perl-libwww-perl/f18] 6.05 bump

2013-03-12 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 47dd784b3eae12b57a950e2252dc430f2ce3b1a0 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Tue Mar 12 14:56:29 2013 +0100 6.05 bump .gitignore |1 + ...TP-6.04-we-don-t-need-our-own-can_read-an.patch | 75

File IO-Socket-IP-0.19.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by psabata

2013-03-12 Thread Petr Šabata
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-IO-Socket-IP: 7cc2dcaecbc3cbc36c212883ea4239e0 IO-Socket-IP-0.19.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.03.2013 18:49, schrieb Lennart Poettering: - Turn off the graphical grub screen Even if we are not able to suppress the boot menu entirely, or having a clean boot menu like this: https://raw.github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-mockups/master/system-lock-login-boot/bootmenu.png,

Re: MariaDB replacing MySQL

2013-03-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.03.2013 19:12, schrieb Honza Horak: On 03/09/2013 07:20 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: and why in the world is this not solved more pragmatically? my conslusion is * MariaDB will replace mysql as default * any package will be linked against mariadb * Oracle MySQL should only provide the

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.03.2013 09:55, schrieb drago01: On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:22 PM, seth vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:18:33 -0500 Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: On 03/11/2013 04:13 PM, seth vidal wrote: I want to encourage kids, teenagers, etc to explore

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.03.2013 12:04, schrieb drago01: Sorry but that's nonsense. Pretty much all other operating systems do not display the boot loader by default and you see this as a reason for showing it? What kind of weird logic is that? Or do you really think we can have we do show a screen that you

Re: [AutoQA] #437: Update repoinfo.conf - Add branch

2013-03-12 Thread AutoQA
#437: Update repoinfo.conf - Add branch +- Reporter: ausil | Owner: Type: task| Status: new Priority: critical| Milestone: Hot issues Component: production | Resolution: Keywords: | Blocked

Re: [AutoQA] #437: Update repoinfo.conf - Add branch

2013-03-12 Thread AutoQA
#437: Update repoinfo.conf - Add branch +- Reporter: ausil | Owner: Type: task| Status: closed Priority: critical| Milestone: 0.9.0 Component: production | Resolution: fixed Keywords: |

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

2013-03-12 Thread Dan Mashal
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:39 AM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - On 03/12/2013 01:30 AM, Dan Mashal wrote: Semantics. Providing a link is helpful to users isn't semantics. You as a package maintainer would be aware of where to look for reviewing the

[pkgdb] perl-libwww-perl ownership changed

2013-03-12 Thread Fedora PackageDB
Package perl-libwww-perl in Fedora 18 is now owned by ppisar To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/perl-libwww-perl -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

[pkgdb] perl-libwww-perl ownership changed

2013-03-12 Thread Fedora PackageDB
Package perl-libwww-perl in Fedora 17 is now owned by ppisar To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/perl-libwww-perl -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

Re: MySQL-libs conflicts with mariadb-libs-5.5.29-7.fc19.x86_64

2013-03-12 Thread Rex Dieter
Rex Dieter wrote: Honza Horak wrote: So to solve the live image composes issue for now I adjusted the major soname number to libmysqlclient.so.1018. I know it doesn't solve all the issues, though. Thanks, that should mitigate immediate issues mentioned in this thread. Still a problem

Re: Fedora 19 Feature Freeze is tomorrow!

2013-03-12 Thread Troy Dawson
Hi Jaroslav, I had updated our page to say that we were 95% complete, and I thought we were. But our first tests found a major cgroups bug, that has been fixed in our latest release, that just was finished yesterday. In short, yes, we are complete, but there is going to be a major update of

Re: [darktable] Upgrade to 1.1.4

2013-03-12 Thread Rex Dieter
Please be careful, rewriting history (and changelog entries). -- rex madko wrote: commit 7cbe3221ef9411bb258c6d65b7f00f0de557c380 Author: Edouard Bourguignon ma...@linuxed.net Date: Sat Mar 9 13:57:43 2013 +0100 Upgrade to 1.1.4 ... @@ -114,11 +115,11 @@ gtk-update-icon-cache

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

2013-03-12 Thread Dan Mashal
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:39 AM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - On 03/12/2013 01:30 AM, Dan Mashal wrote: Semantics. Providing a link is helpful to users isn't semantics. You as

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience - no plymouth!

2013-03-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.03.2013 13:52, schrieb Nicolas Mailhot: Le Mar 12 mars 2013 13:30, Fabian Deutsch a écrit : Von: Máirín Duffy On 03/11/2013 05:13 PM, seth vidal wrote: Is one line of text really that significant of a problem to present? I'm pretty sure it is because of where we are in the process

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 08:01:54AM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: And the main lesson her is don't clutter the user interface with useless graphical eye candy. It makes the boot process require unnecessary system resources. The new Fedora installation setup is currently a *nightmare*. It

[perl-IO-Socket-IP/f19] 0.19 bump

2013-03-12 Thread Petr Šabata
Summary of changes: e52d45e... 0.19 bump (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 09:56:57AM -0400, Steve Clark wrote: On 03/12/2013 09:33 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 12.03.13 09:13, Steve Clark (scl...@netwolves.com) wrote: You know: *you* might not need fast boot. *Your* systems you might not reboot only every other week. *Your* server

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience - no plymouth!

2013-03-12 Thread Dan Mashal
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 12.03.2013 13:52, schrieb Nicolas Mailhot: Le Mar 12 mars 2013 13:30, Fabian Deutsch a écrit : Von: Máirín Duffy On 03/11/2013 05:13 PM, seth vidal wrote: Is one line of text really that significant of a

[Bug 920632] perl-IO-Socket-IP-0.19 is available

2013-03-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=920632 Petr Šabata psab...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED

[Bug 920683] CVE-2013-1841 perl-Net-Server: Improper reverse DNS matching for the given hostname

2013-03-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Security Response https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=920683 Jan Lieskovsky jlies...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC|

[Bug 920683] CVE-2013-1841 perl-Net-Server: Improper reverse DNS matching for the given hostname

2013-03-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Security Response https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=920683 --- Comment #1 from Jan Lieskovsky jlies...@redhat.com --- I am not sure there is an upstream patch for this issue yet. But once there is, please schedule updates for Fedora / Fedora-EPEL versions. -- You are

[Bug 920685] CVE-2013-1841 perl-Net-Server: Improper reverse DNS matching for the given hostname [epel-all]

2013-03-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora EPEL https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=920685 --- Comment #1 from Jan Lieskovsky jlies...@redhat.com --- Please use the following update submission link to create the Bodhi request for this issue as it contains the top-level parent bug(s) as well as this tracking bug.

[Bug 920684] New: CVE-2013-1841 perl-Net-Server: Improper reverse DNS matching for the given hostname [fedora-all]

2013-03-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=920684 Bug ID: 920684 Summary: CVE-2013-1841 perl-Net-Server: Improper reverse DNS matching for the given hostname [fedora-all] Product: Fedora Version: 18

[Bug 920683] CVE-2013-1841 perl-Net-Server: Improper reverse DNS matching for the given hostname

2013-03-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Security Response https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=920683 Jan Lieskovsky jlies...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Depends On|

[Bug 920685] New: CVE-2013-1841 perl-Net-Server: Improper reverse DNS matching for the given hostname [epel-all]

2013-03-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora EPEL https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=920685 Bug ID: 920685 Summary: CVE-2013-1841 perl-Net-Server: Improper reverse DNS matching for the given hostname [epel-all] Product: Fedora EPEL Version: el6

[Bug 920684] CVE-2013-1841 perl-Net-Server: Improper reverse DNS matching for the given hostname [fedora-all]

2013-03-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=920684 --- Comment #1 from Jan Lieskovsky jlies...@redhat.com --- Please use the following update submission link to create the Bodhi request for this issue as it contains the top-level parent bug(s) as well as this tracking bug. This

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Brian Wheeler
Repeating that fast boot times matter is just as bogus as saying they don't. The 2 or 3 seconds that's being talked about here has no meaningful impact on anything other than embedded users and they're probably not using grub anyway. Fedora 18 screwed my laptop pretty thoroughly since the

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience - no plymouth!

2013-03-12 Thread Philip Rhoades
On 2013-03-13 00:06, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.03.2013 13:52, schrieb Nicolas Mailhot: Le Mar 12 mars 2013 13:30, Fabian Deutsch a écrit : Von: Máirín Duffy On 03/11/2013 05:13 PM, seth vidal wrote: Is one line of text really that significant of a problem to present? I'm pretty sure it is

[Bug 920683] CVE-2013-1841 perl-Net-Server: Improper reverse DNS matching check for the given hostname

2013-03-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Security Response https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=920683 Jan Lieskovsky jlies...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|CVE-2013-1841

Re: Self introduction

2013-03-12 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 03/12/2013 02:37 PM, Palle Ravn wrote: Hi all, This is a personal introduction, as I'm hoping to join the package team. The following is a short story of my first encounter with Fedora. Welcome! I started using Linux as a part of my studies, almost five years ago, and at that

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Jan Dvořák
Hi, first of all, I respect your work very much and am actually very grateful for avahi, pulseaudio and systemd as I was for ifplugd back in the old days when Gentoo was cool. Fast boot times matter to dual-boot users, they matter to everybdoy who doesn't run his system 24/7, That is indeed

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience - no plymouth!

2013-03-12 Thread Dan Mashal
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 12.03.2013 15:37, schrieb Dan Mashal: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 12.03.2013 13:52, schrieb Nicolas Mailhot: Le Mar 12 mars 2013 13:30, Fabian Deutsch a

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience - no plymouth!

2013-03-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.03.2013 15:37, schrieb Dan Mashal: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 12.03.2013 13:52, schrieb Nicolas Mailhot: Le Mar 12 mars 2013 13:30, Fabian Deutsch a écrit : Von: Máirín Duffy On 03/11/2013 05:13 PM, seth vidal wrote: Is one line

Re: tomcat6 unresponsive maintainer deprecation

2013-03-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:49:22 +0100 Stanislav Ochotnicky sochotni...@redhat.com wrote: Tomcat6 package in Fedora is old, has several problematic bugs (including 4 security) and most importantly there's a replacement: tomcat-7.x I believe it is in our (developers as well as users) best

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

2013-03-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 07:29:03 -0700 Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:39 AM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: ...snip... Yep, I think the link, when available, is very

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Máirín Duffy
On 03/12/2013 08:30 AM, Fabian Deutsch wrote: What about pulling the message stuff into plymouth and using dracut to trigger a reboot which shows the grub menu? Something along the lines: Press ESC to see deatils or 'b' to enter the bootloader This is an interesting idea, but I don't think

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

2013-03-12 Thread Dan Mashal
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 07:29:03 -0700 Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:39 AM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote:

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

2013-03-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 08:04:47 -0700 Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: Agree to disagree. I care about compilation logs! :P Sure, and they are there for you. I doubt many people will say: Hey, foobar-1.0 is updating to foobar-1.0.1, I should read the compile logs to see whats changed.

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
Hi, Keep in mind that the not show the menu by default plan depends on the bootspec changes, and that will include a gui tool which will allow users to select things like show the menu (and then it won't have a timeout so be easier to get to), or even to directly select the kernel to boot

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Peter Jones
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 12:58:05PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: Hi, I would love to see F19 make a good first impression. The first time you see something Fedora-related on the screen currently is the graphical grub screen, followed by the filling-in-Fedora of Plymouth, followed by the

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Fabian Deutsch
Von: Máirín Duffy On 03/12/2013 08:30 AM, Fabian Deutsch wrote: What about pulling the message stuff into plymouth and using dracut to trigger a reboot which shows the grub menu? Something along the lines: Press ESC to see deatils or 'b' to enter the bootloader This is an interesting

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Peter Jones
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 01:43:28PM -0400, Ryan Lerch wrote: IIRC, in f17, the GRUB screen was not visible. (you could still press f11 to bring it up if you needed it to). Does anyone know why this behaviour changed? I think you're thinking of F15. It was a patch we were carrying to grub1,

Re: Self introduction

2013-03-12 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 03/12/2013 09:47 AM, Hans de Goede wrote: It would be helpful if you could provide bugzilla links to the 2 packages you've up for review. I believe these are the reviews. He may have missed your e-mail due to the massive fire-hose of paint being thrown on the nearby bike shed.

Re: tomcat6 unresponsive maintainer deprecation

2013-03-12 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
Quoting Kevin Fenzi (2013-03-12 15:53:56) On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:49:22 +0100 Stanislav Ochotnicky sochotni...@redhat.com wrote: Tomcat6 package in Fedora is old, has several problematic bugs (including 4 security) and most importantly there's a replacement: tomcat-7.x I believe it

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 11:10:27 -0400 Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com wrote: Honestly, I'd like to do this anyway - the grub2 gfxterm code seems to cause nothing but bugs in later graphics setup. That said, I'd rather go back to not having it at all, but with a different plan than last time.

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-12 Thread Peter Jones
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 05:51:06PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: On 03/11/2013 05:01 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: By hooking this up to keys people would natrually try, such as shift, space, enter, escape, or whatever windows does for their boot menu stuff. FWIW Windows uses F8 Windows 8 on

f19 mass branching

2013-03-12 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, F19 has been branched, please be sure to do a git pull --rebase to pick up the new branch, additionally rawhide/f20 has had inheritance cut off from previous releases, so this means that anything you do for f19 you also have to do in the

Re: Self introduction

2013-03-12 Thread Palle Ravn
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: I believe these are the reviews. He may have missed your e-mail due to the massive fire-hose of paint being thrown on the nearby bike shed. I accidentally made a wrong reply, as my gmail doesn't reply to the mailing

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