Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 04:26:00PM -0500, Miloslav Trmač wrote: (Incidentally, this would be much less of a problem if we had a way to add all the needed BuildRequires: automatically, and actually did that. But the mere presence of these BuildRequires: in spec files would still be accidental

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:45:39AM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 04:26:00PM -0500, Miloslav Trmač wrote: (Incidentally, this would be much less of a problem if we had a way to add all the needed BuildRequires: automatically, and actually did that. But the mere

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 19:10:43 -0700 Orion Poplawski or...@cora.nwra.com wrote: On 01/12/2015 06:08 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dear Fedora developers, I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making minimal build root really

Re: USB/IP userspace review request

2015-01-13 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 02:40:47PM +0200, Jonathan Dieter wrote: If anyone is interested in having USB/IP working in Fedora, I'm looking for someone to review the userspace tools at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1175270. Taken. Zbyszek -- devel mailing list

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-13 Thread P J P
Hello Simo, On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 2:29 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: Sorry this is false. You got enough emails telling you this change is undesirable, that's the definition of opposition and means you have no _consensus_. IIUC, that was for disabling remote root access completely with

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-13 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:53 PM, P J P pj.pan...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Hello Simo, On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 2:29 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: Sorry this is false. You got enough emails telling you this change is undesirable, that's the definition of opposition and means you have no

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-13 Thread Marian Csontos
On 01/12/2015 08:52 PM, Milan Keršláger wrote: Dne 12.1.2015 v 20:46 Kevin Fenzi napsal(a): On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 20:39:35 +0100 Milan Keršláger milan.kersla...@pslib.cz wrote: ...snip... Hey Milan. I understand you have a strong opinion on this topic as does pjp. This is however no reason

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Marian Csontos mcson...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:52:07 PM Subject: Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root On 01/13/2015 06:46 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 13.1.2015 v 18:20 Vít

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-13 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 12:51:41 -0500 Ben Cotton bcot...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: I could make that work but it is far from ideal as I would need to make sure that its

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-01-07)

2015-01-13 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 07 Jan 2015 15:14:03 -0500 Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: snip * #1349 Fedora 22 scheduling strategy (and beyond) (sgallagh, 18:41:13) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/22/Schedule (mattdm, 18:43:55) *

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-13 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 12:26:04 -0500 Ben Cotton bcot...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I updated the change page with a small change to the User Experience section. It now matches the effect of the updated proposal. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:34 AM,

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 13.1.2015 v 18:20 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Dne 13.1.2015 v 18:09 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Dne 13.1.2015 v 17:54 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): So lets try to find what is written in C/C++ by some different way. Is that true, that every package in C/C++ compiled using gcc depends on glibc? Then we can

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Marian Csontos
On 01/13/2015 06:53 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: - Original Message - From: Marian Csontos mcson...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:52:07 PM Subject: Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root On 01/13/2015 06:46 PM, Vít

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-01-07)

2015-01-13 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 11:08:30 -0500 Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2015-01-08 at 15:31 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 8.1.2015 v 15:03 Stephen Gallagher napsal(a): On Thu, 2015-01-08 at 10:40 +0100, Vít

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 13.1.2015 v 17:54 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): So lets try to find what is written in C/C++ by some different way. Is that true, that every package in C/C++ compiled using gcc depends on glibc? Then we can use this query to get the number of packages: $ repoquery --source --whatrequires

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 13.1.2015 v 18:09 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Dne 13.1.2015 v 17:54 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): So lets try to find what is written in C/C++ by some different way. Is that true, that every package in C/C++ compiled using gcc depends on glibc? Then we can use this query to get the number of packages:

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-13 Thread Ben Cotton
I updated the change page with a small change to the User Experience section. It now matches the effect of the updated proposal. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: I suspect that to properly support making changes here it needs to be strongly tied into

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 17:54:03 +0100 Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 13.1.2015 v 17:42 Ralf Corsepius napsal(a): On 01/13/2015 12:06 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 13.1.2015 v 08:12 Ralf Corsepius napsal(a): So we are even not able to

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-13 Thread Ben Cotton
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: I could make that work but it is far from ideal as I would need to make sure that its available over a network connection. For one I would need to remember the url to the key so that it can be fetched. That's not quite

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Marian Csontos
On 01/13/2015 06:46 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 13.1.2015 v 18:20 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Dne 13.1.2015 v 18:09 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Dne 13.1.2015 v 17:54 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): So lets try to find what is written in C/C++ by some different way. Is that true, that every package in C/C++

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-13 Thread P J P
Hello Dennis, On Tuesday, 13 January 2015 10:05 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: There is no consensus on that. Well, no opposition as such either. How is it done otherwise, do we conduct votes to establish consensus, is that a usual practice? I do not do enough installs that I use kickstart

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dne 13.1.2015 v 18:01 Dennis Gilmore napsal(a): lets get some concrete data to look at. So please, is there any chance to get similar data from Koji? You are probably the best person who could provide something similar to my tests. Thanks Vít

Re: echoping - Re: Hundreds of bugzilla mails on one day

2015-01-13 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 01:23:36 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: * Last upstream release is from 2007 and the same as offered by Fedora. Then it's not the Fedora maintainer who is not doing his/her job. At Fedora, it is _mispackaged_ and untested to begin with. The plugin packages likely have never

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-01-07)

2015-01-13 Thread Yaakov Selkowitz
On Tue, 2015-01-13 at 15:58 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: The Fedora 21 mass rebuild took about 40 hours. ;) BTW, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_22_Mass_Rebuild is empty. What are the goals of a mass rebuild now, given that we just had one before F21 Beta? That's really not the reason for

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Christopher
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Vít Ondruch wrote: I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build dependencies, etc. -1, all the serious software requires gcc,

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 13 January 2015 at 10:37, Marian Csontos mcson...@redhat.com wrote: On 01/12/2015 08:52 PM, Milan Keršláger wrote: Dne 12.1.2015 v 20:46 Kevin Fenzi napsal(a): On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 20:39:35 +0100 Milan Keršláger milan.kersla...@pslib.cz wrote: ...snip... Hey Milan. I understand

Re: Fedora tcp_wrappers (missing) support for custom acl scripts, aclexec

2015-01-13 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 05:17:08PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Sun, 11.01.15 21:29, Tomasz Torcz (to...@pipebreaker.pl) wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:16:38AM +0200, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: Hello, I recently noticed Debian/Ubuntu has had support for aclexec in

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2015-01-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.01.2015 um 20:56 schrieb William B: Unbound creates more flakiness than it solves. Unbound caches no answer as a negative cache entry. If your wireless blips for an instant, that's it, result vanishes simply not true there is a *huge* difference between a NXDOMAIN response and not

Re: Fedora tcp_wrappers (missing) support for custom acl scripts, aclexec

2015-01-13 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:35:39AM +0200, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 09:15:39AM +0100, Petr Lautrbach wrote: On 01/11/2015 09:22 PM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: Hello, People who have their names in the Fedora tcp_wrappers changelog added to CC list.. Any

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Christopher
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Mikolaj Izdebski mizde...@redhat.com wrote: On 01/12/2015 02:08 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dear Fedora developers, I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build dependencies,

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 01/12/2015 06:08 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dear Fedora developers, I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build dependencies, etc. Would it be technically feasible to have a different buildroot for arch and

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:32:09AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: Of the 7742 that are arch specific, we do not know how many need to have gcc or gcc-c++ installed in the buildroot for them to compile. though we could likely look at the BuildRequires and make an educated guess.

Re: trusted apps and trusted networks

2015-01-13 Thread Björn Persson
Kevin Kofler wrote: I am user C. I don't need a log of blocked stuff, I'd only be worried about intruders DoSing the machine by filling the log. I really want ANY outside access to my machine silently dropped. My machine is NOT a server, period. So you never use Bittorrent to download a new

Re: Orphaning iscan-firmware (Firmware for Epson flatbed scanners)

2015-01-13 Thread Simone Caronni
Hello, On 13 January 2015 at 14:55, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski domi...@greysector.net wrote: Dear Fedora Community, I'm orphaning the iscan-firmware package since I no longer have even one Epson scanner which would require it. Hopefully someone else with one of the supported scanners

Re: firefox/vimeo

2015-01-13 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 2015-01-13, 13:38 GMT, Martin Stransky wrote: Please file a bug for that at bugzilla.redhat.com ma. You mean something like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1161059 ? Matěj -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Unresponsive maintainer : kanarip

2015-01-13 Thread Marianne Lombard
Hi, I juste open a FESCO request for kanarip : https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1387 He owns several perl and ruby package, including puppet !!! https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packager/kanarip/ I'm not a ruby user/dev so I won't be volunteer to take them Marianne Le

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 13.1.2015 v 14:02 Richard W.M. Jones napsal(a): On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 01:31:06PM +0100, Sven Lankes wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:16:42PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: That's simply an idiotic thing to say. What is the progress involved in adding a new BR to thousands of

FESCo and Env and Stacks WG upcoming elections nominations are open

2015-01-13 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
Hello everyone! The nomination period for FESCo and Environments and Stacks Working Group Elections is now open. We will be selecting five seats on FESCo [1] and four seats on Env and Stacks Working Group [2]. If you are interested in these roles, please add yourself to the lists of nominees at

Re: Best way to use zram in Fedora 21?

2015-01-13 Thread Karel Zak
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 11:37:25AM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: any chance to see util-linux v2.26 in F21? Ah sorry, I missed this your question... Well, I'm going to push v2.26-rc1 to rawhide this week, and maybe (depends on feedback) later we can try to upgrade stable release in

Re: FESCo and Env and Stacks WG upcoming elections nominations are open

2015-01-13 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
Hello everyone! The nomination period for FESCo and Environments and Stacks Working Group Elections is now open. We will be selecting five seats on FESCo [1] and four seats on Env and Stacks Working Group [2]. If you are interested in these roles, please add yourself to the lists of

Re: Un-retiring ice and mumble?

2015-01-13 Thread Mary Ellen Foster
I guess ice got retired because I and the other maintainers ran out of time to maintain it. Actually, I hadn't fully realised until now that it was retired; I'll check shortly what the issue(s) were because I'd like it to stay in (it was a LOT of work creating the package in the first place!).

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 13.1.2015 v 08:12 Ralf Corsepius napsal(a): On 01/13/2015 07:12 AM, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: On Tue 13 Jan 2015 01:35:26 AM CET Kevin Kofler wrote: Vít Ondruch wrote: I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making minimal build root really minimal, explicitly

Re: Un-retiring ice and mumble?

2015-01-13 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 20:41:30 -0500, Carlos O'Donell wrote: Devel, I would like to un-retire mumble, but that requires ice. I've just fixed ice to compile on f21 without much effort. So I think I'll un-retire ice and mumble and maintain them unless anyone objects. Is there any reason

Re: A little problem with dnf

2015-01-13 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - From: Jan Zelený jzel...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:33:21 AM Subject: Re: A little problem with dnf On 12. 1. 2015 at 07:55:26, Adrian Soliard wrote: 2015-01-12 5:35 GMT-03:00 Igor Gnatenko

Re: Best way to use zram in Fedora 21?

2015-01-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.01.2015 um 10:31 schrieb Karel Zak: On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 11:37:25AM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: any chance to see util-linux v2.26 in F21? Ah sorry, I missed this your question... no problem Well, I'm going to push v2.26-rc1 to rawhide this week, and maybe (depends on

F22 System Wide Change: RpmOstree - Server side composes and atomic upgrades

2015-01-13 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed System Wide Change: RpmOstree - Server side composes and atomic upgrades = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RpmOstree Change owner(s): Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org The rpm-ostree [1] tool provides a new way to deploy and manage RPM-based operating systems. Instead of

Re: F21 hiberantion/resume eating filesystems

2015-01-13 Thread Richard Z
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 01:28:56PM +0100, Richard Z wrote: - tune2fs -C 1 dev is apparently ignored on all devices as pointed out on bugzilla that was my mistake, I have confused the options in the hurry. Richard --- Name and OpenPGP keys available from pgp key servers pgpu_SRmf_pZY.pgp

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-13 Thread P J P
On Tuesday, 13 January 2015 4:24 AM, Volker Sobek wrote: Maybe this difference can be addressed together with what ever is decided upon in this discussion? I think having some consistency here would be good. IMO, the install image consistency issues need to be handled separately and could

Re: A little problem with dnf

2015-01-13 Thread Adrian Soliard
2015-01-13 6:33 GMT-03:00 Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com: - Original Message - From: Jan Zelený jzel...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:33:21 AM Subject: Re: A little problem with dnf On 12. 1. 2015 at 07:55:26, Adrian Soliard wrote:

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Helio Chissini de Castro
The arguments on change the compiler not near enough is damn failed as well. LLVM and now clang are growing towards a been a standard soon for many applications. Helio On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 02:38:44PM +0100,

F21 hiberantion/resume eating filesystems

2015-01-13 Thread Richard Z
Hi, have very recently upgraded from F19 to F21 and notice scary log entires after hibernation/resume. Watch your logs! The hardware (in combination with F19) was rock solid all the time and is fairly boring. I am still running 32 bit x86. No sign of any problems when not hibernating. I have

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-13 Thread Volker Sobek
Am Dienstag, den 13.01.2015, 11:51 + schrieb P J P: On Tuesday, 13 January 2015 4:24 AM, Volker Sobek wrote: Maybe this difference can be addressed together with what ever is decided upon in this discussion? I think having some consistency here would be good. IMO, the install

Re: FESCo and Env and Stacks WG upcoming elections nominations are open

2015-01-13 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Tue, 2015-01-13 at 04:37 -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: Hello everyone! The nomination period for FESCo and Environments and Stacks Working Group Elections is now open. We will be selecting five seats on FESCo [1] and four seats on Env and Stacks Working Group [2]. If you are

Re: firefox/vimeo

2015-01-13 Thread Martin Stransky
Please file a bug for that at bugzilla.redhat.com ma. On 01/12/2015 08:59 PM, Nikos Roussos wrote: I noticed that I'm unable to watch Vimeo videos with Firefox without Flash plugin. Same is not true if I use the Firefox build from upstream. Do we disable something on our build that may be

Orphaning iscan-firmware (Firmware for Epson flatbed scanners)

2015-01-13 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
Dear Fedora Community, I'm orphaning the iscan-firmware package since I no longer have even one Epson scanner which would require it. Hopefully someone else with one of the supported scanners can take it. Regards, Dominik -- Fedora http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rathann RPMFusion

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 02:38:44PM +0100, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: On 01/12/2015 02:30 PM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: W dniu 12.01.2015 o 14:08, Vít Ondruch pisze: I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying

[perl-DBI] 1.633 bump

2015-01-13 Thread Jitka Plesnikova
commit 79174afe576c52c8c9eee7daff1254ba05dd4d1d Author: Jitka Plesnikova jples...@redhat.com Date: Tue Jan 13 13:16:01 2015 +0100 1.633 bump .gitignore|1 + perl-DBI.spec |7 +-- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) --- diff --git

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Sven Lankes
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:16:42PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: That's simply an idiotic thing to say. What is the progress involved in adding a new BR to thousands of packages? Am I wrong assuming that it would be rather easy to add the BR to all packages semi-automatically previous to a

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 01:31:06PM +0100, Sven Lankes wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:16:42PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: That's simply an idiotic thing to say. What is the progress involved in adding a new BR to thousands of packages? Am I wrong assuming that it would be rather

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2015-01-13 Thread Neal Becker
Paul Wouters wrote: On Tue, 13 Jan 2015, Neal Becker wrote: How will this impact the following (common) situation? I carry my linux laptop between home and work. When at work, I need to use my employer's dns to lookup names of (non-public) local machines. When connecting to work,

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Forgot to add this was measured on my Lenovo T440s, with SSD and 12 GB RAM, running F21 with mock 1.2.3, configured to use LVM plugin and DNF (see attached config files). And network? Who knows, probably fast. Should be 1Gb/s if I am not mistaken. Not sure how similar/different the tests could

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2015-01-13 Thread Neal Becker
How will this impact the following (common) situation? I carry my linux laptop between home and work. When at work, I need to use my employer's dns to lookup names of (non-public) local machines. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 13.1.2015 v 14:02 Richard W.M. Jones napsal(a): On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 01:31:06PM +0100, Sven Lankes wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:16:42PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: That's simply an idiotic thing to say.

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2015-01-13 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015, Neal Becker wrote: How will this impact the following (common) situation? I carry my linux laptop between home and work. When at work, I need to use my employer's dns to lookup names of (non-public) local machines. When connecting to work, dnssec-trigger will probe the

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Peter Robinson
You can interpret these data yourself, but with less packages in build root, I can see: 1) Saved build time 2) Saved network bandwidth 3) Saved storage 4) Less things to break Just to make sure I'm reading the data correctly, your tests show a maximum approximate savings of 20 seconds

Re: F22 System Wide Change: RpmOstree - Server side composes and atomic upgrades

2015-01-13 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: RpmOstree - Server side composes and atomic upgrades = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RpmOstree Change owner(s): Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org The rpm-ostree [1] tool

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Dridi Boukelmoune
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Dear Fedora developers, I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build dependencies, etc. Hi, I think this is a good idea, because

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-13 Thread P J P
Hello, Please see: (shared by 'fenrus02' on IRC) - https://stribika.github.io/2015/01/04/secure-secure-shell.html Here are few more recommendations for sshd(8) configurations, mostly pertaining to encryption algorithms. Does it make sense to incorporate any of the suggestions from there?

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-13 Thread P J P
Hello Miloslav, all On Tuesday, 13 January 2015 10:26 AM, P J P wrote: So, we do seem to have consensus(at least no opposition) for 'PermitRootLogin=without-password' option. I'll update the feature page with it and details about the specific use-cases. I have updated the feature page

Re: firefox/vimeo

2015-01-13 Thread Nikos Roussos
On 01/13/2015 03:38 PM, Martin Stransky wrote: Please file a bug for that at bugzilla.redhat.com Thanks for looking into this. I opened the bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1181719 On 01/12/2015 08:59 PM, Nikos Roussos wrote: I noticed that I'm unable to watch Vimeo videos

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 13.1.2015 v 16:35 Peter Robinson napsal(a): You can interpret these data yourself, but with less packages in build root, I can see: 1) Saved build time 2) Saved network bandwidth 3) Saved storage 4) Less things to break Just to make sure I'm reading the data correctly, your tests show

[Bug 628655] perl segfaults when joining a thread and using perl-Tk

2015-01-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=628655 Jan Pazdziora jpazdzi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Flags|

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-13 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 04:53:43 + (UTC) P J P pj.pan...@yahoo.co.in wrote: On Tuesday, 13 January 2015 3:06 AM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: (The general theme of this mail: Being flexible is fine, and establishing this through this discussion is

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/13/2015 12:06 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 13.1.2015 v 08:12 Ralf Corsepius napsal(a): So we are even not able to tell how many packages are written in C or C++ in Fedora, since we do not have the BuildRequires speficied correctly. Correct. Because we have still the false feeling that

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 14:08:24 +0100 Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Dear Fedora developers, I'd like to collect some feedback about the $SUBJECT, i.e. making minimal build root really minimal, explicitly specifying build dependencies,

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 13.1.2015 v 17:42 Ralf Corsepius napsal(a): On 01/13/2015 12:06 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 13.1.2015 v 08:12 Ralf Corsepius napsal(a): So we are even not able to tell how many packages are written in C or C++ in Fedora, since we do not have the BuildRequires speficied correctly.

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:28:36 -0500 Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 13.1.2015 v 14:02 Richard W.M. Jones napsal(a): On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 01:31:06PM

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2015-01-13 Thread William B
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 To install a local DNS resolver trusted for the DNSSEC validation running on 127.0.0.1:53. This must be the only name server entry in /etc/resolv.conf. snip ... People use Fedora on portable/mobile devices which are connected to diverse

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-01-07)

2015-01-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:24:53PM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: The reason for tentative was mostly so we could get feedback from rel-eng on whether this is actually feasible. It is not even close to feasible. [...] It is still not reasonable to get everything done in that period of

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2015-01-14)

2015-01-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 04:55:54PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-01-07)

2015-01-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 13 January 2015 at 15:39, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:24:53PM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: The reason for tentative was mostly so we could get feedback from rel-eng on whether this is actually feasible. It is not even close to

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-01-07)

2015-01-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 15:50:06 -0700 Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: You forgot too many packages? There are 15842 packages in Fedora 21 and 16230 in Rawhide. That is a lot of packages that have to be rebuilt possibly multiple times due to FTBFS, multiple architectures, etc. 2.5

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-13 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 17:09:16 + (UTC) P J P pj.pan...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Hello Dennis, On Tuesday, 13 January 2015 10:05 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: There is no consensus on that. Well, no opposition as such either. Sorry this is false. You got enough emails telling you this

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Tue 13 Jan 2015 01:35:26 AM CET Kevin Kofler wrote: I actually think that cmake should be added to the minimal build root, instead of removing stuff. Almost all the packages I work on BuildRequire cmake (which also implies that they need make to build, and gcc-c++ is the typical

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2015-01-13 Thread William B
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 21:02:09 +0100 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 13.01.2015 um 20:56 schrieb William B: Unbound creates more flakiness than it solves. Unbound caches no answer as a negative cache entry. If your wireless blips

Re: F22 System Wide Change: RpmOstree - Server side composes and atomic upgrades

2015-01-13 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Miloslav Trmač m...@redhat.com wrote: Jaroslav, there is a lot more information on the actual wiki page. Like the fact that this is only for particular opt-in new installs and that yum/dnf/RPM can only operate in read-only mode on such installs. Could you

Re: F22 System Wide Change: RpmOstree - Server side composes and atomic upgrades

2015-01-13 Thread Miloslav Trmač
== Scope == * Other developers: *** Use systemd-tmpfiles instead of placing content in /var (TODO: better docs for this) Is this a strict dependency or a nice-to-have item? That is, are we talking about having to change all such packages in Fedora (or some specific subset) within the

Re: F22 System Wide Change: RpmOstree - Server side composes and atomic upgrades

2015-01-13 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Jaroslav, there is a lot more information on the actual wiki page. Like the fact that this is only for particular opt-in new installs and that yum/dnf/RPM can only operate in read-only mode on such installs. Could you resend this with the entirety of the text? It might lead to fewer

Re: Review swaps

2015-01-13 Thread gil
Il 12/01/2015 14:00, Mattias Ellert ha scritto: Hi! I have a couple of packages submitted for review and I offer to make swaps for them: Globus Toolkit packages (C code - mostly loadable modules) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1144800 globus-gridmap-eppn-callout

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-13 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Dne 13.1.2015 v 08:12 Ralf Corsepius napsal(a): On 01/13/2015 07:12 AM, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: On Tue 13 Jan 2015 01:35:26 AM CET Kevin Kofler wrote: Vít Ondruch wrote: I basically see several issues: 1. The sheer amount of packages being affect. snip data By all accounts we are

Re: F22 System Wide Change: RpmOstree - Server side composes and atomic upgrades

2015-01-13 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015, at 04:06 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: == Scope == * Other developers: *** Use systemd-tmpfiles instead of placing content in /var (TODO: better docs for this) Is this a strict dependency or a nice-to-have item? That is, are we talking about having to change all

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2015-01-14)

2015-01-13 Thread Matthew Miller
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2015-01-14 18:00 UTC' Links to all tickets

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-01-07)

2015-01-13 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 15:58:51 -0700 Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 15:50:06 -0700 Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: You forgot too many packages? There are 15842 packages in Fedora 21 and 16230 in Rawhide.

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-01-07)

2015-01-13 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com said: So, while the mass rebuild itself is less than 2 days, it takes a while to stablize things after that. If we branched right after the mass rebuild we would have to then stablize both rawhide and f22. One other thing that takes time (as a

[perl-parent] Specify all dependencies

2015-01-13 Thread Petr Pisar
commit c8e2fa78d0d717b37eff8b8d50b1698c553c573d Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Tue Jan 13 18:11:24 2015 +0100 Specify all dependencies perl-parent.spec | 10 +- 1 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-parent.spec b/perl-parent.spec

[Bug 1171043] perl-REST-Client-272 is available

2015-01-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1171043 Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|MODIFIED|ON_QA

[Bug 1178399] perl-Package-Constants-0.06 is available

2015-01-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1178399 Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ON_QA |CLOSED

[Bug 1178792] perl-Digest-SHA3-0.24 is available

2015-01-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1178792 Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|MODIFIED|ON_QA

[perl-DateTime-Locale] Modernize spec file

2015-01-13 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 1b8900e8e33838f661a7f8c23d55048b1e44915a Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Tue Jan 13 09:38:49 2015 +0100 Modernize spec file perl-DateTime-Locale.spec | 42 -- 1 files changed, 28 insertions(+), 14 deletions(-) --- diff --git

[Bug 1181652] New: Please package perl-Apache-Session-LDAP into EPEL 5/6/7

2015-01-13 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1181652 Bug ID: 1181652 Summary: Please package perl-Apache-Session-LDAP into EPEL 5/6/7 Product: Fedora EPEL Version: epel7 Component: perl-Apache-Session Assignee:

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