Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread nickysn
On Wed, 2020-07-01 at 16:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > On 1.7.2020 16:10, Solomon Peachy wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > > > I'm currently using BIOS, grub, grub2 basically everywhere, even > > > on > > > fresh new machines, > > This won't be

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Alexey Avramov
>10% and 5% to 1% and 0% Default values is already changed to 4% (but not more than 400 MiB) and 2% (but not more than 200 MiB). A nonzero threshold helps maintain disk cache and speeds up system recovery after correction. ___ devel mailing list --

Re: [EPEL] rpmconf question for EPEL7 on Amazon Linux 2

2020-07-01 Thread Christopher
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:52 AM Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:18 PM Christopher > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I know Fedora doesn't directly support Amazon Linux, but I was > > wondering if the package maintainer for rpmconf on EPEL was aware that > > the latest version

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Markus Larsson
On 1 July 2020 20:24:37 CEST, Matthew Miller wrote: >On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 06:54:02AM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> Making btrfs opt-in for F33 and (assuming the result go well) opt-out for F34 >> could be good option. I know technically it is already opt-in, but it's not >>

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes > it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop supporting > booting in legacy bios mode Among other clouds, AWS doesn't support it and has no

Re: FlexiBLAS as BLAS/LAPACK manager - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Iñaki Ucar
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 19:03, Jerry James wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 10:26 AM Iñaki Ucar wrote: > > BTW, I would also like to discuss here, as part of this proposal, > > which backend should be the system-wide default. I believe we all > > would agree that OpenBLAS nowadays is the best

Re: FlexiBLAS as BLAS/LAPACK manager - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Iñaki Ucar
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 20:13, Susi Lehtola wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 10:54:16 -0600 > Jerry James wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 10:26 AM Iñaki Ucar > > wrote: > > > BTW, I would also like to discuss here, as part of this proposal, > > > which backend should be the system-wide default.

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1.7.2020 17:17, Peter Robinson wrote: The use of legacy or uefi are changes that users have to manually change themselves in their bios from manufactures default settings. There is no tool that can do that for them or migrate those settings however users should be able to change this for

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 08:48:57AM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > We have https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DNF_Better_Counting, > > maybe this could be used to collect some statistics about the fs type > > too. > I am going to try and nix this one in the bud right here. DNF counting

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Andy Mender
On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 17:26, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 16:23 +0200, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > > W dniu 30.06.2020 o 15:34, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson pisze: > > > Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream > > > changes it beg the question if now would not

Re: FlexiBLAS as BLAS/LAPACK manager - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Iñaki Ucar
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 20:24, Susi Lehtola wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 19:28:53 +0200 > Iñaki Ucar wrote: > > I'm no expert, but the FAQ says: > > > > "You have a GPLed program that I'd like to link with my code to build > > a proprietary program. Does the fact that I link with your program > >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Josef Bacik
On 7/1/20 2:24 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 06:54:02AM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: Making btrfs opt-in for F33 and (assuming the result go well) opt-out for F34 could be good option. I know technically it is already opt-in, but it's not very visible or

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 2020-07-01 04:07, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 6:21 AM Antti wrote: Hello, I'm in total opposition to this proposal as a long-time Fedora user. The btrfs is unstable and not ready for production. Most of what I'm about to write is admittedly anecdotal but it's the

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:34 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > On 1.7.2020 16:10, Solomon Peachy wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > >> I'm currently using BIOS, grub, grub2 basically everywhere, even on > >> fresh new machines, > > This won't be the

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 2020-07-01 18:53, Michael Catanzaro wrote: The options we are seriously considering for our default going forward are (a) btrfs, (b) failing that, probably ext4 all one big partition without LVM, (c) less-likely, maybe xfs all one big partition without LVM. This is being discussed in

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1.7.2020 20:31, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 6/30/20 3:34 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop supporting booting in legacy bios mode and move to uefi only supported

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Alexey Avramov
>EarlyOOM being a >userspace process that races with the memory-consuming processes and that >may end up not getting scheduled due to the very impending OOM condition >that it is trying to prevent. earlyoom consumes 1 MiB VmRSS and all memory is locked by mlockall(). earlyoom works pretty

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:49 AM Steven Whitehouse wrote: > > If the / and /home split is the main issue, then dm-thin might be an > alternative solution, and we should check to see if some of the issues > listed on the change page have been addressed. I'm copying in Jon for > additional comment on

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Ricky Zhang
No, I strongly disagree your proposal. Don't break something that works. I have several home machines installing in legacy BIOS way. I have followed upgrade path **SMOOTHLY** from Fedora Core 14 up to Fedora 32 today. Your change will break my dual-boot / multi-boot machines. Please don't.

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-01 Thread DJ Delorie
Neal Gompa writes: > Oh man, that takes me back! I started on DOS with the MS-DOS Editor, > then went onto the DOS port of Emacs and using DJGPP, then jumped to > Linux years later... Now *that* takes me back to the days when I wrote DJGPP ;-) And for anyone who thinks vi is hard to use, try

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Christopher Engelhard
I like this approach, a lot. I'm all in favour of switching to btrfs (I've been using it for a while, on server & desktop), and I think this would be a safe approach to do so. Christopher On 01.07.20 20:24, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 06:54:02AM +, Zbigniew

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 7/1/20 4:08 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:06 PM Eric Sandeen wrote: >> >> On 7/1/20 11:53 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:25 pm, Nicolas Mailhot via devel >>> wrote: Actually this split is a godsend because you can convince anaconda to

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1.7.2020 21:00, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:34 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 1.7.2020 16:10, Solomon Peachy wrote: On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: I'm currently using BIOS, grub, grub2 basically everywhere, even on fresh new machines,

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1.7.2020 21:39, Ricky Zhang wrote: I second your point. I don't see any upside to discontinue support of legacy BIOS. Even my latest machine support legacy BIOS. UEFI caused more headache to me than bringing in any real positive user experiences. What headache exactly? You had bad user

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20200701.n.0 changes

2020-07-01 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
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Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Peter Robinson
> The use of legacy or uefi are changes that users have to manually change > themselves in their bios from manufactures default settings. There is no > tool that can do that for them or migrate those settings however users > should be able to change this for hardware around 2010. > > The Installer

Re: python-sphinx_rtd_theme update: comments requested

2020-07-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le mercredi 01 juillet 2020 à 18:35 +0200, Miro Hrončok a écrit : > > Given the /usr/share font links in CSS won't work when the > documentation is > exposed via a webserver, I assume the docs are mostly intended to be > browsed > (possibly offline) from within Fedora anyway. It’s not that

Re: [EPEL] rpmconf question for EPEL7 on Amazon Linux 2

2020-07-01 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 30. 06. 20 v 20:17 Christopher napsal(a): > Hi, > > I know Fedora doesn't directly support Amazon Linux, but I was > wondering if the package maintainer for rpmconf on EPEL was aware that > the latest version doesn't work on Amazon Linux 2, which recently No, I was not aware of that :) >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 06:54:02AM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > Making btrfs opt-in for F33 and (assuming the result go well) opt-out for F34 > could be good option. I know technically it is already opt-in, but it's not > very visible or popular. We could make the btrfs option more

Re: [Fedora-packaging] RPM-level auto release and changelog bumping - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Dan Čermák
Hi Nicolas, Ben Cotton writes: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/rpm_level_auto_release_and_changelog_bumping > > == Summary == > > redhat-rpm-config will be updated so users of the auto framework get > automated release and changelog bumping. > > == Owner == > > * Name: [[User:nim|

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread David Michael
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:51 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > The core of it is that nobody cares. It comes up at least once or > twice every development cycle in the Workstation Working Group > meetings, but there's nothing we can do. Sometimes I'll get bullshit > answers from people. Sometimes they'll

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Gerald B. Cox
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 7:54 PM Gerald B. Cox > I'm wondering, how do you actually want to define a "production > release" of a kernel module? > Does being part of an upstream kernel release (not in staging modules) > not qualify? > Because that's already the case, and has been for years. The

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1.7.2020 23:18, Björn Persson wrote: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: More user friendly than Grub ( has lilo like interface easier to change kernel entry, which goes nicely with the default editor change ) This made me go "What?!". I used Lilo back in the day. Its user interface was nothing

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread James Cassell
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, at 9:03 PM, Przemek Klosowski via devel wrote: > On 7/1/20 3:50 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: > > This sounds like a "wtf, why are you doing this btrfs?" sort of thing, > > but this is just the reality of using checksums.  It's a checksum, not > > ECC. > > Yes, exactly---why

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 10:08 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > On 2.7.2020 01:42, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:23 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson > > wrote: > >> On 2.7.2020 01:06, Neal Gompa wrote: > >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:03 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson > >>> wrote: > On

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread James Cassell
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, at 9:43 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:27 PM James Cassell > wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, at 9:03 PM, Przemek Klosowski via devel wrote: > > > On 7/1/20 3:50 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: > > > > This sounds like a "wtf, why are you doing this btrfs?"

Re: FlexiBLAS as BLAS/LAPACK manager - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Jerry James
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:06 PM Susi Lehtola wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 10:54:16 -0600 > Jerry James wrote: > > openblas-serial: use if the application is multithreaded > > openblas-threads: use if the application is single-threaded > > No, this is exactly the wrong way around. You should use

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:45 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > On 1.7.2020 21:50, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:29 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson > > wrote: > >> On 1.7.2020 21:00, Neal Gompa wrote: > >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:34 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson > >>> wrote: > On

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1.7.2020 21:50, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:29 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 1.7.2020 21:00, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:34 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 1.7.2020 16:10, Solomon Peachy wrote: On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 2.7.2020 01:06, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:03 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 1.7.2020 23:28, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:19 PM Björn Persson wrote: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: More user friendly than Grub ( has lilo like interface easier to change

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:29 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > On 1.7.2020 21:00, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:34 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson > > wrote: > >> On 1.7.2020 16:10, Solomon Peachy wrote: > >>> On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > I'm

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Steven Usdansky via devel
I've got a pair of admittedly old desktop machines that are BIOS-only that run Fedora 32 just fine. No reason they can't continue to run Fedora into the future - unless BIOS boot is eliminated. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:03 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > On 1.7.2020 23:28, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:19 PM Björn Persson wrote: > >> Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > >>> More user friendly than Grub ( has lilo like interface easier to change > >>> kernel entry, which

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Solomon Peachy writes: Even putting that aside, for the past several years CSM/BIOS has been slowly bitrotting due to a lack of real testing, as the last few Windows releases have mandated use of UEFI for preinstalled systems, plus the EOLing of Windows 7 and (especially) XP. That's only

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:23 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > On 2.7.2020 01:06, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:03 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson > > wrote: > >> On 1.7.2020 23:28, Neal Gompa wrote: > >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:19 PM Björn Persson wrote: > Jóhann B.

Re: Is allowed in certain cases to override default Fedora compiler flags?

2020-07-01 Thread Jerry James
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 2:49 PM Sergio Belkin wrote: > So the question is: in this case I can override the Fedora compiler flags? There may be a solution that doesn't require overriding the Fedora compiler flags, but it is hard to tell without seeing more of the code. Where is the source code in

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Björn Persson
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > Such proposal would never be about stop supporting older hardware that's > just a misconception people are getting When you write "stop supporting booting in legacy bios mode and move to uefi only supported boot", then you shouldn't be too surprised if people

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Björn Persson
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > More user friendly than Grub ( has lilo like interface easier to change > kernel entry, which goes nicely with the default editor change ) This made me go "What?!". I used Lilo back in the day. Its user interface was nothing but a prompt. You had to know what to

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-01 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 11:22:26PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 17:46:23 +0200, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > * Is this only on x86_64 that you need this? Or all arches? > > Sure we should have this on all arches but I haven't tested non-x86_64 yet. > There possibly may be also

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Josef Bacik said: > This sounds like a "wtf, why are you doing this btrfs?" sort of > thing, but this is just the reality of using checksums. It's a > checksum, not ECC. We don't know _which_ bits are fucked, we just > know somethings fucked, so we throw it all away. If you

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 03:15:23PM -0400, Solomon Peachy wrote: > So yes, I think an explicit "let's all test btrfs (as anaconda > configures it) before we make it default" period is warranted. > > Perhaps one can argue that Fedora has already been doing that for the > past two years (since

out of Koji disk space

2020-07-01 Thread Jan Kratochvil
Hi, I have tried to enable debuginfo for Chromium but it cannot fit the disk. During local build it has 160GB (on x86_64) and Koji shows (moreover AFAIK shared for multiple builders): https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/7099/46377099/hw_info.log Filesystem Size

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Re: Patches in Forge macros - Auto macros - Detached rpm changelogs - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le mardi 30 juin 2020 à 23:04 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot via devel a écrit : > Le mardi 30 juin 2020 à 21:45 +0200, Igor Raits a écrit : > > > > I think this would be already at least 30 times That unpleasantness aside if anyone wants to engage in constructive technical discussion, and discuss the

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-01 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 09:47:08PM +0200, Iñaki Ucar wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 21:24, Robert-André Mauchin wrote: > > > > May I suggest another option? > > I provide a package for Micro, an editor written in Go with a discoverable > > interface. https://micro-editor.github.io/ 'sudo dnf

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 6:32:15 AM MST Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > W dniu 01.07.2020 o 12:57, Richard W.M. Jones pisze: > > > > If you mean migration of existing guests, then you need to repartition > > them and reinstall the bootloader. I doubt anyone has a practical > > idea of how to do

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:19 PM Björn Persson wrote: > > Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > More user friendly than Grub ( has lilo like interface easier to change > > kernel entry, which goes nicely with the default editor change ) > > This made me go "What?!". I used Lilo back in the day. Its user

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Przemek Klosowski via devel
On 7/1/20 3:50 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: This sounds like a "wtf, why are you doing this btrfs?" sort of thing, but this is just the reality of using checksums.  It's a checksum, not ECC. Yes, exactly---why isn't it ECC? Wouldn't it work better, especially in the context of faulty hardware?

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1.7.2020 23:28, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:19 PM Björn Persson wrote: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: More user friendly than Grub ( has lilo like interface easier to change kernel entry, which goes nicely with the default editor change ) This made me go "What?!". I used Lilo

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:27 PM James Cassell wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, at 9:03 PM, Przemek Klosowski via devel wrote: > > On 7/1/20 3:50 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: > > > This sounds like a "wtf, why are you doing this btrfs?" sort of thing, > > > but this is just the reality of using

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 2.7.2020 01:42, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:23 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 2.7.2020 01:06, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:03 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 1.7.2020 23:28, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:19 PM Björn Persson wrote:

Re: [Fedora-packaging] RPM-level auto release and changelog bumping - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le mercredi 01 juillet 2020 à 23:48 +0200, Dan Čermák a écrit : > Hi Nicolas, Hi Dan > This is a system-wide change because all packages build with > > redhat-rpm-config, but it only concerns packages that opted to use > > this part of redhat-rpm-config (auto framework). > > > > The change will

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:30:37 AM MST Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mi, 01.07.20 14:45, Hans de Goede (hdego...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > > I'm not in the bootloader-team, but I do work very closely with them, > > so I have only one question: who is going to pick up the extra > > maintenance

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 11:26:48 AM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > On 1.7.2020 17:17, Peter Robinson wrote: > >> The use of legacy or uefi are changes that users have to manually change > >> themselves in their bios from manufactures default settings. There is no > >> tool that can do that

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:24 PM James Cassell wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, at 9:43 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:27 PM James Cassell > > > Or maybe make all metadata raid 1, even on single disk set up? > > > > > > > Not that isn't interesting, but what would be the

Re: FlexiBLAS as BLAS/LAPACK manager - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Iñaki Ucar
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 18:39, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 01. 07. 20 16:24, Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FlexiBLAS_as_BLAS/LAPACK_manager > > > > == Summary == > > BLAS/LAPACK packages will be compiled against the FlexiBLAS wrapper > > library, which will set

Re: FlexiBLAS as BLAS/LAPACK manager - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Jerry James
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:20 AM Iñaki Ucar wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 19:03, Jerry James wrote: > > openblas-openmp: use if the application uses OpenMP > > openblas-serial: use if the application is multithreaded > > openblas-threads: use if the application is single-threaded > > > > I've

Re: FlexiBLAS as BLAS/LAPACK manager - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Susi Lehtola
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 19:28:53 +0200 Iñaki Ucar wrote: > I'm no expert, but the FAQ says: > > "You have a GPLed program that I'd like to link with my code to build > a proprietary program. Does the fact that I link with your program > mean I have to GPL my program? (#LinkingWithGPL) > > Not

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 7/1/20 6:10 PM, Solomon Peachy wrote: On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: I'm currently using BIOS, grub, grub2 basically everywhere, even on fresh new machines, This won't be the case for much longer; Intel will finally drop CSM ("BIOS") support this year.

Is allowed in certain cases to override default Fedora compiler flags?

2020-07-01 Thread Sergio Belkin
Hi, I'm trying to build a package for resubmission. However it fails with messages like that In file included from ./include/UpTools/UpLog.h:77, from UpLog.cc:46: UpLog.cc: In function 'void upOpenLogFileInternal(const char*, int, const char*, int, int (*)(char*))':

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:06 PM Eric Sandeen wrote: > > On 7/1/20 11:53 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:25 pm, Nicolas Mailhot via devel > > wrote: > >> Actually this split is a godsend because you can convince anaconda to > >> leave your home alone when reinstalling,

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Ricky Zhang
I second your point. I don't see any upside to discontinue support of legacy BIOS. Even my latest machine support legacy BIOS. UEFI caused more headache to me than bringing in any real positive user experiences. Fix all your bugs not even securities bugs before you concern the securities

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 1:20:18 PM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > sd-boot is already installed on end users system, is light weight > compared to Grub ( sd-boot only supports uefi,smaller code size, easier > to maintain ). Sure, gummiboot is more lightweight than GRUB. It also doesn't

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-01 Thread Kamil Dudka
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 9:16:40 PM CEST Robert-André Mauchin wrote: > May I suggest another option? > I provide a package for Micro, an editor written in Go with a discoverable > interface. https://micro-editor.github.io/ > > It is compiled as a static binary of 4.6 MB with no dependency. How

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Benjamin Berg
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 17:48 +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 30.06.2020 15:25, Ben Cotton wrote: > > Better thermal management and peak performance on Intel CPUs by > > including thermald in the default install. > > Good, but thermald is absolutely useless without configs. Configs can

Re: Please BuildRequire python3-setuptools explicitly

2020-07-01 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 06:28:00PM -, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 06:26:23PM +0200, Tomas Hrnciar wrote: > > > > This package depends on python3-devel. However the last build.log: > > > > > > https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//packages/qemu/5.0.0/2.fc33/data/logs/...

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 2:55:42 PM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > On 30.6.2020 21:14, nick...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 20:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Grub discourages users who have tried sd-boot from coming/returning > >> to > >> Fedora

Re: Introduce Storage Instantiation Daemon - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 03:18:57PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > == Benefit to Fedora == > The main benefit is all about centralizing the solution to solve > issues that storage subsystem maintainers have been hitting with udev, > that is: > > * providing a central infrastructure for storage event

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Qiyu Yan
Yes...Dropping support for BIOS will enable us to switch to systemd-boot, which is the benefit. But just out of curiosity, what is the benefit of switching from GRUB to systemd-boot. Dropping support for 32-bit x86 surely can make maintainers be free from one old platform (and less package to

Re: Disable dmraid.service on first run if no dmraid sets are found - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04:26AM +0200, Zdenek Kabelac wrote: > Dne 30. 06. 20 v 10:57 Vitaly Zaitsev via devel napsal(a): > >On 29.06.2020 22:04, Ben Cotton wrote: > >>Fedora only support these RAID sets when they are already configured in > >>the BIOS at installation time. So we can solve the

Re: Disable dmraid.service on first run if no dmraid sets are found - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Zdenek Kabelac
Dne 01. 07. 20 v 10:29 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek napsal(a): On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04:26AM +0200, Zdenek Kabelac wrote: Dne 30. 06. 20 v 10:57 Vitaly Zaitsev via devel napsal(a): On 29.06.2020 22:04, Ben Cotton wrote: Fedora only support these RAID sets when they are already configured

Re: [EPEL] rpmconf question for EPEL7 on Amazon Linux 2

2020-07-01 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:18 PM Christopher wrote: > > Hi, > > I know Fedora doesn't directly support Amazon Linux, but I was > wondering if the package maintainer for rpmconf on EPEL was aware that > the latest version doesn't work on Amazon Linux 2, which recently > updated to python-3.7,

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-01 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
I might support this, but Nano is a terrible editor. It has key bindings that are quite unlike any other program and conflict with normal bindings that newbies might be used to (eg. ^X is cut, not exit). If we're going to newbies how about a more MS-DOS-ish experience, eg:

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-01 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 09:44:12AM +0200, Kamil Dudka wrote: > On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 9:16:40 PM CEST Robert-André Mauchin wrote: > > May I suggest another option? > > I provide a package for Micro, an editor written in Go with a discoverable > > interface. https://micro-editor.github.io/ > >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-01 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
While this isn't a problem for Fedora per se, it's worth noting. OpenSUSE uses btrfs by default and as a result we're unable to open SUSE guest images from distros that don't include btrfs in the kernel (ie. RHEL, and maybe CentOS unless you use an alternate kernel). So that would apply to

Re: IBus 1.5.23 - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Takao Fujiwara
On 2020/07/01 4:47, Igor Raits-san wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 15:20 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IBus_1.5.23 == Summary == IBus 1.5.23 will replace the allowlist of XKB engines with the blocklist of XKB ones.

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-01 Thread Kamil Dudka
On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 10:54:46 AM CEST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 09:44:12AM +0200, Kamil Dudka wrote: > > > On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 9:16:40 PM CEST Robert-André Mauchin wrote: > > > > > May I suggest another option? > > > I provide a package for Micro,

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Leigh Scott
Has UEFI support improved in the last 2 - 3 years? My last experience with it was so poor on a multi-boot system I switched to legacy and haven't bothered trying it since. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Alexey A.
>legacy BIOS Stop using the L-word, please: BIOS is not "legacy", it's just alternative way (one of many). All my laptops use BIOS, by the way. ср, 1 июл. 2020 г. в 18:26, Leigh Scott : > Has UEFI support improved in the last 2 - 3 years? > My last experience with it was so poor on a multi-boot

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Di, 30.06.20 19:15, Gerd Hoffmann (kra...@redhat.com) wrote: > Hi, > > > > So I can't say I'm thrilled about a future that depends on EFI for > > > virt, but I'm resigned to the fact this is the direction the world > > > is taking. So we're not likely to have any choice and will have to > >

[Bug 1852414] perl-Email-MIME-ContentType 1.024.1 appears to break bugzilla

2020-07-01 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1852414 --- Comment #1 from Tom "spot" Callaway --- This is the change that caused the issue: https://github.com/rjbs/Email-MIME-ContentType/commit/ed2a0311dbaa268dc575a0eb55ddaace8038571e Essentially, one of the subtypes is not matching this

[EPEL-devel] Re: Questions about installing epel-release

2020-07-01 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
Hi, On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 at 04:17, Wei, Catherine wrote: [...] > * Results of rpm -V epel-release and rpm -qi epel-release > [root@katt-shanghai katt-server-install]# rpm -V epel-release > [root@katt-shanghai katt-server-install]# rpm -qi epel-release > Name: epel-release >

[Bug 1852856] New: perl-Template-Toolkit depends on mod_perl, which eventually installs httpd

2020-07-01 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1852856 Bug ID: 1852856 Summary: perl-Template-Toolkit depends on mod_perl, which eventually installs httpd Product: Fedora EPEL Version: epel8 OS: Linux

FlexiBLAS as BLAS/LAPACK manager - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FlexiBLAS_as_BLAS/LAPACK_manager == Summary == BLAS/LAPACK packages will be compiled against the FlexiBLAS wrapper library, which will set OpenBLAS as system-wide default backend, and at the same time will provide a proper switching mechanism that currently

[389-devel] please review: PR 51199 - Stop importing cockpit's base1/patternfly.css

2020-07-01 Thread Mark Reynolds
https://pagure.io/389-ds-base/pull-request/51199 -- 389 Directory Server Development Team ___ 389-devel mailing list -- 389-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to 389-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:

[Bug 1849342] perl-Module-CoreList-5.20200620 is available

2020-07-01 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1849342 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ON_QA |CLOSED Fixed In

[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 6 updates-testing report

2020-07-01 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 6 Security updates need testing: Age URL 12 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2020-d2ea82902e python-httplib2-0.18.1-1.el6 0 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2020-b1a8a3c29a putty-0.74-1.el6 The following builds have

[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 8 updates-testing report

2020-07-01 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 8 Security updates need testing: Age URL 13 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2020-232e4f7411 python-django-2.2.13-1.el8 9 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2020-18fb909316 znc-1.8.1-1.el8 9

[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 7 updates-testing report

2020-07-01 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 7 Security updates need testing: Age URL 687 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2018-3c9292b62d condor-8.6.11-1.el7 428 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2019-c499781e80 python-gnupg-0.4.4-1.el7 426

[Bug 1852856] perl-Template-Toolkit depends on mod_perl, which eventually installs httpd

2020-07-01 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1852856 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|MODIFIED|ON_QA --- Comment #2 from

[Bug 1850795] Add perl-DateTimeX-Easy to EPEL8 / co-maintainer request

2020-07-01 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1850795 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|MODIFIED|ON_QA --- Comment #4 from

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