Thunderbird with mail.corp.redhat.com does not work on Fedora 33

2020-09-30 Thread Lumír Balhar
Hello. I've upgraded to Fedora 33 beta and I've discovered a problem with Thunderbird. All email accounts work well except the Red Hat one with mail.corp.redhat.com as an IMAP server (I use Zimbra servers not Gmail). The problem is that Thunderbird does not show any error message but it's

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-09-30 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 9/30/20 10:28 PM, Elliott Sales de Andrade wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 18:27, Marius Schwarz wrote: The working/non-working procedure is: Power on ... inserting the stick OK, but why insert the USB stick after power on? Wouldn't it be less trouble to insert beforehand so that the

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-09-30 Thread Elliott Sales de Andrade
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 18:27, Marius Schwarz wrote: > > Am 01.10.20 um 00:19 schrieb Elliott Sales de Andrade: > > Could it be a timing issue of some kind? > > the sooner i hit the boot from usb button, after the stick got inserted, > the higher is the propability to start. > > Are you saying you

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-09-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 4:22 PM Marius Schwarz wrote: > > Am 01.10.20 um 00:02 schrieb Chris Murphy: > > I made some more tests. It's a race, 1 out of 10 tries succeeds and the > chance that it does is improoved by inserting the usb drive while being > in the bios. > > The F31 grub files i

Re: LTO and F33

2020-09-30 Thread Jeff Law
On 9/30/20 7:39 AM, Robert-André Mauchin wrote: On Tuesday, 18 August 2020 17:12:02 CEST Jeff Law wrote: So we're at a point where the F33 FTBFS issues related to LTO that I'm aware of have been resolved (by opting the package out of LTO). I still expect some LTO issues will pop up as

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Joe Doss
On 9/30/20 7:14 PM, Colin Walters wrote: That's not true, you can `rpm-ostree override remove`. It'd still be there in the ostree repository on disk, but you don't see it in the "deployment" (what you actually boot into). Few people care about disk space that much, and if you do you can do

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Joe Doss
On 9/30/20 4:36 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 5:27 PM Matthew Miller wrote: "All Fedora variants, both with ostree and without..." maybe? OSTree-based variants are also "regular Fedora". I would only even remotely consider agreeing with that premise for Silverblue. Neither

[389-devel] 389 DS nightly 2020-10-01 - 94% PASS

2020-09-30 Thread vashirov
https://fedorapeople.org/groups/389ds/ci/nightly/2020/10/01/report-389-ds-base-1.4.4.4-20200930gitf6799c2.fc32.x86_64.html ___ 389-devel mailing list -- 389-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 8 updates-testing report

2020-09-30 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 8 Security updates need testing: Age URL 13 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2020-11f765300e singularity-3.6.3-1.el8 13 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2020-17fdec3133 zeromq-4.3.3-1.el8 5

[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 7 updates-testing report

2020-09-30 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 7 Security updates need testing: Age URL 25 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2020-83bdeb2965 ansible-2.9.13-1.el7 13 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2020-92064b5b2b singularity-3.6.3-1.el7 6

[389-devel] Please Review: Small usability changes to sssd config generator

2020-09-30 Thread William Brown
https://github.com/389ds/389-ds-base/pull/4354 — Sincerely, William Brown Senior Software Engineer, 389 Directory Server SUSE Labs, Australia ___ 389-devel mailing list -- 389-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

[Bug 1882837] perl-File-RsyncP-0.76 is available

2020-09-30 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1882837 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|MODIFIED|ON_QA --- Comment #2 from

[Bug 1882958] perl-MIME-Base64-3.16 is available

2020-09-30 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1882958 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|MODIFIED|ON_QA --- Comment #3 from

[389-devel] Please Review: Clearer warnings if tls cacertdir is not valid in ds* commands

2020-09-30 Thread William Brown
https://github.com/389ds/389-ds-base/pull/4353 — Sincerely, William Brown Senior Software Engineer, 389 Directory Server SUSE Labs, Australia ___ 389-devel mailing list -- 389-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

[389-devel] Please review: Improve warnings re plugin enable

2020-09-30 Thread William Brown
https://github.com/389ds/389-ds-base/pull/4352 — Sincerely, William Brown Senior Software Engineer, 389 Directory Server SUSE Labs, Australia ___ 389-devel mailing list -- 389-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 9:36:38 AM MST Dan Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 09:18 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 5:13:48 AM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski- > > Szmek > > wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:41:12PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr

[Bug 1880857] perl-Module-CoreList-5.20200920 is available

2020-09-30 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1880857 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Fixed In Version|perl-Module-CoreList-5.2020 |perl-Module-CoreList-5.2020

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > Regular Fedora variants are installed via normal package management > actions and have full granularity. RPM-OSTree reduces the granularity > of the operating system to a singular image that you layer on top. But > you cannot pull out stuff

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal:systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:34 pm, Colin Walters wrote: I know this is already an epic thread but, just a FYI: This type of thing will completely not work on an rpm-ostree based system because the %post is run server side. It can't compute anything based on per-user data (and that's *also*

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal:systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 9:58 pm, Petr Menšík > wrote: > > Shouldn't it change resolv.conf only in case NM is active AND > > resolv.conf is generated by Network Manager? > > Correct, that's indeed what it does. (Since Zbigniew

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-09-30 Thread Marius Schwarz
Am 01.10.20 um 00:19 schrieb Elliott Sales de Andrade: >> Could it be a timing issue of some kind? >> >> the sooner i hit the boot from usb button, after the stick got inserted, >> the higher is the propability to start. >> > Are you saying you insert the USB stick _after_ turning on the >

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-09-30 Thread Marius Schwarz
Am 01.10.20 um 00:02 schrieb Chris Murphy: >> I made some more tests. It's a race, 1 out of 10 tries succeeds and the >> chance that it does is improoved by inserting the usb drive while being >> in the bios. >> >> The F31 grub files i exchanged do not seem to have something to do with it. > The

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-09-30 Thread Elliott Sales de Andrade
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 17:42, Marius Schwarz wrote: > > Am 30.09.20 um 23:00 schrieb Chris Murphy: > > > > > > And then these are current > > grub2-efi-x64-2.04-31.fc33.x86_64 > > grub2-efi-x64-2.04-23.fc32.x86_64 > > grub2-efi-x64-2.02-110.fc31.x86_64 > > > > I wonder if the affected hardware is

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 11:49 pm, Björn Persson wrote: So there's no need to revert any changes to /etc/nsswitch.conf? I've seen some discussion about that file in relation to systemd-resolved. It seemed far from easy to understand how to make it work correctly. You don't have to touch

Re: F33 update stuck for past 6 days in request for testing->stable

2020-09-30 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 30. 09. 20 22:54, Tony Asleson wrote: I posed the question on IRC if this fix-up script gets run after freeze and the answer was it could. I don't want to get caught with this again, so I'm in the process of adding epoch and rolling new releases across the board as it seems like the safest

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-09-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 3:42 PM Marius Schwarz wrote: > > Am 30.09.20 um 23:00 schrieb Chris Murphy: > > > > > > And then these are current > > grub2-efi-x64-2.04-31.fc33.x86_64 > > grub2-efi-x64-2.04-23.fc32.x86_64 > > grub2-efi-x64-2.02-110.fc31.x86_64 > > > > I wonder if the affected hardware

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread Björn Persson
Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 6:43 pm, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski > wrote: > > What if I'm using NetworkManager and dnssec-trigger? This has been > > working very well for me for the last couple of releases and I'd hate > > to be forced to manually reconfigure things so

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-30 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 16:50 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > For example during Fedora Package Review Process do some packages get > rejected > because they would make the distribution too large? Not worth of > including > such new package? I am not aware of such decision and it even sounds >

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread PGNet Dev
On 9/30/20 2:34 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > And as I indicated earlier, most server installs have no use for > systemd-resolved. Yes it can be disabled, but we didn't go all the > way to virtual servers and containers to have to install things > we will never use. +1, & simply 'minimal' installs

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-09-30 Thread Marius Schwarz
Am 30.09.20 um 23:00 schrieb Chris Murphy: > > > And then these are current > grub2-efi-x64-2.04-31.fc33.x86_64 > grub2-efi-x64-2.04-23.fc32.x86_64 > grub2-efi-x64-2.02-110.fc31.x86_64 > > I wonder if the affected hardware is adversely affected by all three > of these versions of GRUB? > I made

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 5:27 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 04:32:07PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > Moreover, *all* Fedora variants use NetworkManager. *ALL* OSTree > > > (rpm)ostree variants are Fedora variants - please don't using phrasing > > > implying otherwise. >

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020, Neal Gompa wrote: since it's only a couple of binaries averaging 2MB with a few unit files. My reply was aimed at Peter saying he'd like to not ship resolved, and I'm saying that we should *not* do that, because it makes things even harder and more complicated. These

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 04:32:07PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > Moreover, *all* Fedora variants use NetworkManager. *ALL* OSTree > > (rpm)ostree variants are Fedora variants - please don't using phrasing > > implying otherwise. > > IOW you just say: *all* Fedora variants use NetworkManager. >

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 4:45 PM PGNet Dev wrote: > > anyone else more confused? > > On 9/30/20 1:26 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > And like it or not, all our legacy network configuration mechanisms > > are deprecated and*will be removed eventually*. > > is plain-vanilla systemd-networkd -- no NM

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 01:45:13PM -0700, PGNet Dev wrote: > anyone else more confused? > > On 9/30/20 1:26 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > And like it or not, all our legacy network configuration mechanisms > > are deprecated and*will be removed eventually*. > > is plain-vanilla systemd-networkd --

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-09-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 10:46 AM Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > The Fedora secure boot signing keys were updated after F32 was initially released to deal with the grub2 problems found during the summer. I believe some systems have needed firmware updates from the manufacturer to work with the

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 12:59:20PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 06:50:08PM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > >The main systemd systemd package Obsoletes the -standalone- packages, so it > > >should smoothly replace them whenever it is pulled in. > > > > I am confused by

Re: F33 update stuck for past 6 days in request for testing->stable

2020-09-30 Thread Tony Asleson
On 9/30/20 3:37 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 09:27:33PM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: >> >> Ahh, sure, if the previous package was uninstallable then it should be fine >> to not use epoch. > > I suppose... > >> So two options here: a) file a releng ticket ( >>

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-09-30 Thread Marius Schwarz
Am 30.09.20 um 18:45 schrieb Stephen John Smoogen: > > The Fedora secure boot signing keys were updated after F32 was > initially released to deal with the grub2 problems found during the > summer. I believe some systems have needed firmware updates from the > manufacturer to work with the new key

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread PGNet Dev
anyone else more confused? On 9/30/20 1:26 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > And like it or not, all our legacy network configuration mechanisms > are deprecated and*will be removed eventually*. is plain-vanilla systemd-networkd -- no NM wrapper around it, no (in)direct dependency on systemd-resolved --

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Japheth Cleaver
On 9/30/2020 1:26 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 3:42 PM Ian Pilcher wrote: On 9/30/20 2:19 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 2:00 pm, Ian Pilcher wrote: And what about places where NetworkManager isn't used? (Just because it's the default, doesn't mean

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 02:21:19PM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Wed, 30 Sep 2020, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > >the systemd package is getting a systemd-networkd subpackage split out > >that will contain systemd-networkd, networkctl, and the associated data > >files. > >This was

Re: F33 update stuck for past 6 days in request for testing->stable

2020-09-30 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 09:27:33PM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: > > Ahh, sure, if the previous package was uninstallable then it should be fine > to not use epoch. I suppose... > So two options here: a) file a releng ticket ( > https://pagure.io/releng/issues) and ask them to re-tag the other

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 4:29 PM Colin Walters wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > Moreover, *all* Fedora variants use NetworkManager. *ALL* OSTree > > (rpm)ostree variants are Fedora variants - please don't using phrasing > implying otherwise. > > IOW you

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > Moreover, *all* Fedora variants use NetworkManager. *ALL* OSTree (rpm)ostree variants are Fedora variants - please don't using phrasing implying otherwise. IOW you just say: *all* Fedora variants use NetworkManager.

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 02:21:19PM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: > With enterprise server deployments, DNS will be managed by the network > via resolve.conf to enterprise DNS servers. These servers tend to have > "bind views" for different category of deployments. These deployments > will have no

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 3:42 PM Ian Pilcher wrote: > > On 9/30/20 2:19 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 2:00 pm, Ian Pilcher wrote: > >> And what about places where NetworkManager isn't used? (Just because > >> it's the default, doesn't mean that it's used everywhere.) >

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-09-30 Thread Marius Schwarz
Am 30.09.20 um 20:54 schrieb Brian C. Lane: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 12:45:40PM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> The Fedora secure boot signing keys were updated after F32 was initially >> released to deal with the grub2 problems found during the summer. I believe >> some systems have needed

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-09-30 Thread Marius Schwarz
Am 30.09.20 um 18:45 schrieb Stephen John Smoogen: > > > > The Fedora secure boot signing keys were updated after F32 was > initially released to deal with the grub2 problems found during the > summer. I believe some systems have needed firmware updates from the > manufacturer to work with the new

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-09-30 Thread Marius Schwarz
Am 30.09.20 um 17:17 schrieb Chris Murphy: > > That suggests the scary region of firmware, hybrid ISO, shim, and boot loader. > > The bug reports have the wrong component set on them, and aren't > discrete actionable bug reports. It's just saying "this doesn't work" which one do you suggest? >> An

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 9:58 pm, Petr Menšík wrote: Shouldn't it change resolv.conf only in case NM is active AND resolv.conf is generated by Network Manager? Correct, that's indeed what it does. (Since Zbigniew changed it yesterday. Previously, it did not check if NM is active.) The

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread Petr Menšík
On 9/30/20 7:11 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 9:54 am, PGNet Dev wrote: >> So the upgrade WILL ignore current F32 state -- systemd-resolved >> DISABLED + 'my' /etc/resolv.conf -- and enable + overwrite >> (respectively) each, regardless of whether we're _using_ >>

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 9/30/20 2:19 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 2:00 pm, Ian Pilcher wrote: And what about places where NetworkManager isn't used?  (Just because it's the default, doesn't mean that it's used everywhere.) NetworkManager is used everywhere by default. If you want to

Re: Packages in rawhide not showing in src.fedoraproject.org

2020-09-30 Thread José Abílio Matos
On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 2:45:28 PM WEST Iñaki Ucar wrote: > The thing is that R(package) is meant to provide the original > versioning (which allows hyphens and stuff), while R-package takes the > adaptation to our versioning system. The problem is that we generally > declare dependencies

Re: F33 update stuck for past 6 days in request for testing->stable

2020-09-30 Thread Kalev Lember
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 9:18 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 30. 09. 20 21:12, Tony Asleson wrote: > > On 9/30/20 1:05 PM, Kalev Lember wrote: > >> Looks like your update briefly made it stable, but then the older build > >> (pywbem-1.0.1-1.fc33) was tagged back over the new one > >>

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 2:00 pm, Ian Pilcher wrote: And what about places where NetworkManager isn't used? (Just because it's the default, doesn't mean that it's used everywhere.) NetworkManager is used everywhere by default. If you want to disable it, you have to do manual work to do that.

Re: F33 update stuck for past 6 days in request for testing->stable

2020-09-30 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 30. 09. 20 21:12, Tony Asleson wrote: On 9/30/20 1:05 PM, Kalev Lember wrote: On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:48 PM Tony Asleson wrote: On 9/11/20 5:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 04:35:03PM -0500, Tony Asleson wrote: This release:

Re: F33 update stuck for past 6 days in request for testing->stable

2020-09-30 Thread Tony Asleson
On 9/30/20 1:05 PM, Kalev Lember wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:48 PM Tony Asleson wrote: > >> On 9/11/20 5:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 04:35:03PM -0500, Tony Asleson wrote: This release: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-4da598e74b

Re: F33 update stuck for past 6 days in request for testing->stable

2020-09-30 Thread Kevin Fenzi
FYI: No need to cc me on list posts. I'm subscribed and read all the list posts. ;) On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 08:05:09PM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: ...snip... > > The older build was tagged over the new one because Kevin ran a fixup > script to find packages where Bodhi accidentally pushed an

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 9/30/20 1:35 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: Please, no more package splitting. And NetworkManager is used across all variants of Fedora, so resolved should be installed in all places where NetworkManager is used. And what about places where NetworkManager isn't used? (Just because it's the default,

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-09-30 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 12:45:40PM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > The Fedora secure boot signing keys were updated after F32 was initially > released to deal with the grub2 problems found during the summer. I believe > some systems have needed firmware updates from the manufacturer to work >

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 12:48 PM Peter Robinson wrote: > > > Hi Zbyszek, > > Would it make sense to do the same for systemd-resolved ? > > Sounds like it has similar impact/scope wrt coreos. > > Yes please, I would like this for Edge/IoT too (both network/resolved) > as there are use cases there

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread PGNet Dev
On 9/30/20 11:21 AM, Paul Wouters wrote: > It also allows those Destop users that want to use their own validating > resolvers on the end node to uninstall systemd-resolved. Would separating the package preserve existing setups across upgrades? It's not simply Enterprise/Server 'or' Desktops

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: the systemd package is getting a systemd-networkd subpackage split out that will contain systemd-networkd, networkctl, and the associated data files. This was requested by coreos maintainers: NetworkManager is used and skipping

Re: F33 update stuck for past 6 days in request for testing->stable

2020-09-30 Thread Kalev Lember
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:48 PM Tony Asleson wrote: > On 9/11/20 5:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 04:35:03PM -0500, Tony Asleson wrote: > >> This release: > >> > >> https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-4da598e74b > >> > >> has been stuck waiting to get moved

Re: F33 update stuck for past 6 days in request for testing->stable

2020-09-30 Thread Tony Asleson
On 9/11/20 5:07 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 04:35:03PM -0500, Tony Asleson wrote: >> This release: >> >> https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-4da598e74b >> >> has been stuck waiting to get moved to stable. Is some error going on >> that isn't evident? > > We

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 9:54 am, PGNet Dev wrote: So the upgrade WILL ignore current F32 state -- systemd-resolved DISABLED + 'my' /etc/resolv.conf -- and enable + overwrite (respectively) each, regardless of whether we're _using_ NetworkManager (afaict it's impossible to completely remove

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 06:50:08PM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: > >The main systemd systemd package Obsoletes the -standalone- packages, so it > >should smoothly replace them whenever it is pulled in. > > I am confused by this bit. If systemd package Obsoletes the > -standalone- packages,

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread PGNet Dev
On 9/30/20 9:50 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > You'll need to manually disable systemd-resolved after upgrade, restore > /etc/resolv.conf from the backup file that will be created during upgrade So the upgrade WILL ignore current F32 state -- systemd-resolved DISABLED + 'my' /etc/resolv.conf --

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 30. 09. 20 18:26, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: The main systemd systemd package Obsoletes the -standalone- packages, so it should smoothly replace them whenever it is pulled in. I am confused by this bit. If systemd package Obsoletes the -standalone- packages, installing them is not

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 6:43 pm, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: What if I'm using NetworkManager and dnssec-trigger? This has been working very well for me for the last couple of releases and I'd hate to be forced to manually reconfigure things so that it starts working again. The

[Bug 1883959] New: perl-File-Listing-6.07 is available

2020-09-30 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1883959 Bug ID: 1883959 Summary: perl-File-Listing-6.07 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Status: NEW Component: perl-File-Listing Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Peter Robinson
> Hi Zbyszek, > Would it make sense to do the same for systemd-resolved ? > Sounds like it has similar impact/scope wrt coreos. Yes please, I would like this for Edge/IoT too (both network/resolved) as there are use cases there where we'd like not to ship these too. Peter > On Wed, 2020-09-30

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-09-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 11:54, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > On 9/30/2020 8:17 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 2:05 AM Marius Schwarz > wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> the livecds from F32 and F33 are suffering from a problem not booting on > >> Microsoft device(s) > >> > >>

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Wednesday, 30 September 2020 at 18:16, Neal Gompa wrote: [...] > If you're not using NetworkManager, this change has _zero_ impact. What if I'm using NetworkManager and dnssec-trigger? This has been working very well for me for the last couple of releases and I'd hate to be forced to manually

Re: splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Simo Sorce
Hi Zbyszek, Would it make sense to do the same for systemd-resolved ? Sounds like it has similar impact/scope wrt coreos. On Wed, 2020-09-30 at 16:26 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > Hi, > > the systemd package is getting a systemd-networkd subpackage split out > that will contain

splitting out systemd-networkd, systemd-standalone-{sysusers,tmpfiles} subpackages in F33+

2020-09-30 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
Hi, the systemd package is getting a systemd-networkd subpackage split out that will contain systemd-networkd, networkctl, and the associated data files. This was requested by coreos maintainers: NetworkManager is used and skipping systemd-networkd allows the installation footprint and potential

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread PGNet Dev
On 9/30/20 9:16 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > If you're not using NetworkManager, this change has _zero_ impact. perfect. clearly, i've missed or lost the obviousness of that incredibly useful tidbit in this novella :-/ thx! ___ devel mailing list --

Re: LTO and F33

2020-09-30 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 30.09.2020 15:39, Robert-André Mauchin wrote: > I have an issue with both Clementine and Strawberry (a fork of Clementine) > in F33 and above, users reported that disabling LTO fixes the problem. I have the same issue with Telegram Desktop: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1880290

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 12:15 PM PGNet Dev wrote: > > Reading along, it's _at_best_ unclear what the eventual 'resolution' of this^ > is. > > What _is_ clear is that there's significant disagreement -- which, > unfortunately, has at times here become nasty & personal -- about needed vs >

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread PGNet Dev
Reading along, it's _at_best_ unclear what the eventual 'resolution' of this^ is. What _is_ clear is that there's significant disagreement -- which, unfortunately, has at times here become nasty & personal -- about needed vs planned functionality, and, of late, regulatory compliance. And,

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info LLDB Index (System-Wide change)

2020-09-30 Thread Jeff Law
On 9/30/20 2:56 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 02:00:52 +0200, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 16:29 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DebugInfoLldbIndex Currently the change will affect only packages using: %global toolchain

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info LLDB Index (System-Wide change)

2020-09-30 Thread Jeff Law
On 9/30/20 2:33 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 02:11:34 +0200, Neal Gompa wrote: Why don't you add an lldb-add-index tool to generate LLVM indexes for LLDB? Because doing it separately like GDB does is a wrong thing for edit-compile-debug cycle. When clang (lld for LTO) has all

Re: Packages in rawhide not showing in src.fedoraproject.org

2020-09-30 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 02:15:34PM +0100, José Abílio Matos wrote: > On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 1:19:51 PM WEST Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > > It actually queries bodhi and failing to find things in it, it fallsback to > > mdapi normally. > > Potential bug in the logic? > > Another example:

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-09-30 Thread Erich Eickmeyer
On 9/30/2020 8:17 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 2:05 AM Marius Schwarz wrote: >> Hi, >> >> the livecds from F32 and F33 are suffering from a problem not booting on >> Microsoft device(s) >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1879921 >>

Re: Switching to DWARF5 default for GCC11 (and the default Fedora 34 toolchain)

2020-09-30 Thread Jeff Law
On 9/30/20 6:50 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote: Hi Neal, On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 19:59 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: For the record, Mark has started implementing DWARF-5 support in dwz: https://sourceware.org/git/?p=dwz.git;a=log I think I would rather like to see a Change proposal to switch to DWARF-5

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-30 Thread Jeff Law
On 9/29/20 5:59 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: I feel like it's worth giving my perspective here as someone who has done similar work in other distributions. Thanks for that viewpoint.    As a compiler optimizer junkie, I don't really follow things on the RPM side, so hearing about that process has

Re: LTO and F33

2020-09-30 Thread Jeff Law
On 9/30/20 9:25 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: I pushed the following to fix build of sems: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/sems/c/beef747b4641429459065bd39dbea447405f33e9?branch=master Not my package, and the code is a bit iffy, so it's quite likely that the problem is in the

Re: LTO and F33

2020-09-30 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
I pushed the following to fix build of sems: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/sems/c/beef747b4641429459065bd39dbea447405f33e9?branch=master Not my package, and the code is a bit iffy, so it's quite likely that the problem is in the package... Just letting you know in case you're still looking

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 10:05 am, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: Sorry, but that is not correct. NetworkManager can handle split-dns just fine, by using dnsmasq and reconfiguring it via dbus when vpn connections come and go. I can easily add more servers + zones by dropping a config file snippet into

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-09-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 2:05 AM Marius Schwarz wrote: > > Hi, > > the livecds from F32 and F33 are suffering from a problem not booting on > Microsoft device(s) > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1879921 > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1883593 > > F31 is booting fine,

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 3:14 pm, Graham Leggett wrote: Regulations like the GDPR exist, and ignorance of them is not a defence. I am required by these regulations and many other regulations in multiple jurisdictions to make sure my users comply. If you have gone out of your way to break

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2020-09-30)

2020-09-30 Thread Miro Hrončok
= #fedora-meeting-2: FESCO (2020-09-30) = Meeting started by mhroncok at 14:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-09-30/fesco.2020-09-30-14.00.log.html .

Re: LTO and F33

2020-09-30 Thread Jeff Law
On 9/30/20 7:39 AM, Robert-André Mauchin wrote: On Tuesday, 18 August 2020 17:12:02 CEST Jeff Law wrote: So we're at a point where the F33 FTBFS issues related to LTO that I'm aware of have been resolved (by opting the package out of LTO). I still expect some LTO issues will pop up as

Re: Switching to DWARF5 default for GCC11 (and the default Fedora 34 toolchain)

2020-09-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 09:41, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 14:50:39 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > = What I am NOT working on > [...] > > - Any other tool, project not mentioned above or other > > native toolchains like golang, rust, clang/llvm or ocaml. > > I expect those to

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread Solomon Peachy
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 03:14:10PM +0200, Graham Leggett wrote: > I am required by these regulations and many other regulations in > multiple jurisdictions to make sure my users comply. If you have gone > out of your way to break secure operation on Fedora, we will have to > ban the use of

Re: Packages in rawhide not showing in src.fedoraproject.org

2020-09-30 Thread Iñaki Ucar
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 15:19, José Abílio Matos wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 12:39:15 PM WEST Fabio Valentini wrote: > > > If anything, this is a bug in the R-rprojroot package, because version > > 1.3.2 provides: "R(rprojroot) = 1.3-2", which is smaller than 1.3.2, > > and hence

Re: Switching to DWARF5 default for GCC11 (and the default Fedora 34 toolchain)

2020-09-30 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 14:50:39 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > = What I am NOT working on [...] > - Any other tool, project not mentioned above or other > native toolchains like golang, rust, clang/llvm or ocaml. > I expect those to simply keep producing DWARF4. So because of a DWZ deficiency you

Re: LTO and F33

2020-09-30 Thread Robert-André Mauchin
On Tuesday, 18 August 2020 17:12:02 CEST Jeff Law wrote: > So we're at a point where the F33 FTBFS issues related to LTO that I'm aware > of have been resolved (by opting the package out of LTO). I still expect > some LTO issues will pop up as packages fix things like missing > dependencies,

Re: F34 Change proposal: Debug Info Standardization (from DWZ to -fdebug-types-section) (System-Wide Change proposal)

2020-09-30 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 22:31:28 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > Note that you are using -ffunction-sections together with -flto. > With -flto you don't need -ffunction-sections. > > -ffunction sections might cause functions to be dropped by the linker > without updating the DWARF DIEs, causing things

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