Koji or me at fault?

2010-03-06 Thread Paul
Hi, I've imported monodevelop-debugger-gdb for f13 and rawhide and have tried to build it. Koji is going through the setup, but then falling over on the build. Looking at the logs, it looks like a python problem... http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2034431name=build.log Can

Re: Koji or me at fault?

2010-03-06 Thread Kalev Lember
On 03/06/2010 11:35 AM, Paul wrote: Hi, I've imported monodevelop-debugger-gdb for f13 and rawhide and have tried to build it. Koji is going through the setup, but then falling over on the build. Looking at the logs, it looks like a python problem...

Re: Fight bugs, not FESCo

2010-03-06 Thread Frank Murphy
On 06/03/10 10:04, Till Maas wrote: --snipped-- DB) 3) once a day a crawler reads all files and counts for each package how often they are installed, What about uninstalled? Update bring in upd to X, but package Y,Z. come in. User removes Y,Z without breaking anything. I am not really

Re:Koji or me at fault?

2010-03-06 Thread Chen Lei
make tag TAG_OPTS=-F make build 在2010-03-06?17:35:55,Paul?p...@all-the-johnsons.co.uk?写道: Hi, I've?imported?monodevelop-debugger-gdb?for?f13?and?rawhide?and?have tried?to?build?it.?Koji?is?going?through?the?setup,?but?then?falling

Re: Fight bugs, not FESCo

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 11:19:27AM +, Frank Murphy wrote: On 06/03/10 10:04, Till Maas wrote: --snipped-- DB) 3) once a day a crawler reads all files and counts for each package how often they are installed, What about uninstalled? Update bring in upd to X, but package Y,Z.

Re: gcc internal error on F13

2010-03-06 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 08:44:13AM -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Paulo Cavalcanti writes: « HTML content follows » I am trying to build a package on F13, and got a gcc internal error: URL:http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2034791http://koji

rawhide report: 20100306 changes

2010-03-06 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sat Mar 6 08:15:05 UTC 2010 Broken deps for i386 -- blahtexml-0.6-5.fc12.i686 requires libxerces-c.so.28 easystroke-0.5.2-1.fc13.i686 requires libboost_serialization-mt.so.5

Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Christoph Wickert
While we are at it, here is another great update: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F11/FEDORA-2010-3326 * New version introduced in F11. * Doesn't fix any bugs but it's an enhancement only. * Useless update description update to 4.7.1. * And *of course* it was

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, 2010/3/6 Christoph Wickert christoph.wick...@googlemail.com: While we are at it, here is another great update: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F11/FEDORA-2010-3326      * New version introduced in F11.      * Doesn't fix any bugs but it's an enhancement only.      * Useless

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Samstag, den 06.03.2010, 18:17 +0100 schrieb Michał Piotrowski: Hi, 2010/3/6 Christoph Wickert christoph.wick...@foomail.com: While we are at it, here is another great update: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F11/FEDORA-2010-3326 * New version introduced in F11. *

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 06:49:03PM +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote: maintainers, I think KDE or this update show that we were better off with an official policy. Did the mc update break something? Regards Till pgpdxHb1B1LoX.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/06/2010 11:28 PM, Till Maas wrote: On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 06:49:03PM +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote: maintainers, I think KDE or this update show that we were better off with an official policy. Did the mc update break something? Even if it did not it would be useful to

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/3/6 Christoph Wickert christoph.wick...@googlemail.com: Am Samstag, den 06.03.2010, 18:17 +0100 schrieb Michał Piotrowski: Hi, 2010/3/6 Christoph Wickert christoph.wick...@foomail.com: While we are at it, here is another great update:

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/3/6 Naheem Zaffar naheemzaf...@gmail.com: 2010/3/6 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com Why I can install KDE 4.4 in F11 and I can't install latest gnome? (I'm just asking because I'm curious, not because I use Linux on desktop) I think for many people the issue is not that it can be

Re: Heads up: X server configuration changes

2010-03-06 Thread Rajeesh K Nambiar
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Rajeesh K Nambiar rajeeshknamb...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:29 AM, Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@who-t.net wrote: Rajeesh K Nambiar wrote: Any pointers on how to migrate the 'enable touchpad tap-to-click' feature from the existing .fdi

Update question: some user data

2010-03-06 Thread Adam Williamson
I thought to myself yesterday, 'what this long and fractious thread about update policy *really* needs is some unscientific and controversial numbers'. =) So, I ran a forum poll! Everyone loves those, right? Here it is: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=241710 I tried to present the

Re: Upcoming Bugzilla Changes

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 08:14:38AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 13:27 +0100, Till Maas wrote: Especially it needs to be made sure that only bugs created prior to adding F13 to RedHat Bugzilla or the branching of F13, depending on what happened later, are touched by

Re: Update question: some user data

2010-03-06 Thread shmuel siegel
On 3/6/2010 9:04 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: I thought to myself yesterday, 'what this long and fractious thread about update policy *really* needs is some unscientific and controversial numbers'. =) So, I ran a forum poll! Everyone loves those, right? What do people make of this? I

Re: proven packager needed - mrpt

2010-03-06 Thread Thomas Spura
Am Samstag, den 06.03.2010, 19:03 +0100 schrieb Haïkel Guémar: Following the previous thread on opencv: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-February/131584.html Almost all packages have been rebuilt against opencv-2.0.0-7 (thank you, guys !) except mrpt. We didn't get any

F-13 Branched report: 20100306 changes

2010-03-06 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Sat Mar 6 09:15:12 UTC 2010 Broken deps for i386 -- blahtexml-0.6-5.fc12.i686 requires libxerces-c.so.28 doodle-0.6.7-5.fc12.i686 requires libextractor.so.1 easystroke-0.5.2-1.fc13.i686 requires

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Saturday, 06 March 2010 at 18:49, Christoph Wickert wrote: Am Samstag, den 06.03.2010, 18:17 +0100 schrieb Michał Piotrowski: [...] Because I don't understand the criteria for Fedora package update. Why I can install KDE 4.4 in F11 and I can't install latest gnome? Because the KDE

Re: Update question: some user data

2010-03-06 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: I thought to myself yesterday, 'what this long and fractious thread about update policy *really* needs is some unscientific and controversial numbers'. =) So, I ran a forum poll! Everyone loves those, right? Here it

Re: Update question: some user data

2010-03-06 Thread Mike McGrath
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010, Adam Williamson wrote: I thought to myself yesterday, 'what this long and fractious thread about update policy *really* needs is some unscientific and controversial numbers'. =) So, I ran a forum poll! Everyone loves those, right? Here it is:

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Samstag, den 06.03.2010, 19:30 +0100 schrieb Michał Piotrowski: I have seen some discussions, but I don't follow them. I'm waiting for results ;) Get involved, try to influence the discussion. Pity. There are many Fedora policies that are useless for end users like me, but update policy

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Samstag, den 06.03.2010, 21:10 +0100 schrieb Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski: On Saturday, 06 March 2010 at 18:49, Christoph Wickert wrote: Am Samstag, den 06.03.2010, 18:17 +0100 schrieb Michał Piotrowski: [...] Because I don't understand the criteria for Fedora package update.

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Samstag, den 06.03.2010, 19:38 +0100 schrieb Michał Piotrowski: 2010/3/6 Naheem Zaffar naheemzaf...@gmail.com: [snipped] PS other places that have more stable updates also have their problems - there are many users who dislike Ubuntu because bugs are not fixed and they have to live

Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
Good news everyone, you can probably expect to receive more positive bodhi karma for your updates in the future (or you already got unexpected much), because there is now a script called 'fedora-easy-karma'[0], that makes providing feedback a lot easier. This makes it more important to consider

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: +1, Michał! People who want the latest and greatest have already updated to F12 months ago anyway, so there is not much use in pushing new versions to F11. Why? I don't want to update/reinstall all my machines every 6 months. And I

Re: Update question: some user data

2010-03-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/07/2010 12:34 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: I thought to myself yesterday, 'what this long and fractious thread about update policy *really* needs is some unscientific and controversial numbers'. =) So, I ran a forum poll! Everyone loves those, right? Here it is:

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 11:16:45PM +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote: Am Samstag, den 06.03.2010, 19:38 +0100 schrieb Michał Piotrowski: 2010/3/6 Naheem Zaffar naheemzaf...@gmail.com: [snipped] PS other places that have more stable updates also have their problems - there are many users

Re: Adding optional packages to comps.xml

2010-03-06 Thread alekcejk
As there are no objections I have added to Sound and Video v4l2ucp in comps.xml for F12-F14, ucview for F11-F14, EL5 (Robert Scheck replied that I can do it) and gtk-v4l for F13-F14. Alexey Kurov nuc...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/3/6 Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: +1, Michał! People who want the latest and greatest have already updated to F12 months ago anyway, so there is not much use in pushing new versions to F11. Why? I don't want to update

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Kalev Lember
On 03/07/2010 12:25 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: +1, Michał! People who want the latest and greatest have already updated to F12 months ago anyway, so there is not much use in pushing new versions to F11. Why? I don't want to

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Kalev Lember wrote: On 03/07/2010 12:25 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: +1, Michał! People who want the latest and greatest have already updated to F12 months ago anyway, so there is not much use in pushing new

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 12:48:23AM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: deal with the problems that might arise with the new version. But if the new version is dumped upon me in the middle of a week, I'm left without a choice. I have to immediately deal with whatever problems arise from the upgrade.

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/07/2010 04:14 AM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: I'm just a guest here :) I'm not a Fedora developer so my vote doesn't really matter. Getting involved does not require a vote and any user position if expressed in a constructive fashion does matter and is part of how we can form a decision

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
2010/3/6 Michał Piotrowski: 2010/3/6 Orcan Ogetbil: The numbers 11, 12 should only indicate the core components revision number . I'm not convinced to this philosophy. I have used a few Linux distros in past 11 years, and this is something new to me... I understand that. However there are

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Jussi Lehtola
On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 17:48 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: 2010/3/6 Michał Piotrowski : But you are updating to latest KDE in f11. So what is the deal with full system update? Time. A simple yum update or make a selective update takes a few minutes. A whole system update takes more. I've

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Kalev Lember
On 03/07/2010 12:52 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Yet moreover you also have the option of updating bugfixes in addition, leaving the enhancement updates out. I really don't think I have that option. It might work in some cases, but generally it's bound to fail. A security update in an application

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Jussi Lehtola wrote: On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 17:48 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: 2010/3/6 Michał Piotrowski : But you are updating to latest KDE in f11. So what is the deal with full system update? Time. A simple yum update or make a selective update takes a

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 01:28:32AM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: On 03/07/2010 12:52 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Yet moreover you also have the option of updating bugfixes in addition, leaving the enhancement updates out. I really don't think I have that option. It might work in some cases, but

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Henrique Junior
Em Sáb, 2010-03-06 às 18:00 +0100, Christoph Wickert escreveu: While we are at it, here is another great update: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F11/FEDORA-2010-3326 * New version introduced in F11. * Doesn't fix any bugs but it's an enhancement only. * Useless

Re: Provide more testing feedback (was: Re: Refining the update queues/process)

2010-03-06 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 05:32:11PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: can be packaged. Another obvious TODO is to get bodhi_update_str() included in the bodhi client in fedora-python. I'll be happy to take that patch. Looking like I'll be pushing out an updated python-fedora next week. Depending on the

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Björn Persson
Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Moreover you also have the option of updating security fixes only. That option doesn't really exist, as was already demonstrated: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-March/131926.html Björn Persson signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism

2010-03-06 Thread Milos Jakubicek
On 6.3.2010 23:21, Till Maas wrote: Good news everyone, you can probably expect to receive more positive bodhi karma for your updates in the future (or you already got unexpected much), because there is now a script called 'fedora-easy-karma'[0], that makes providing feedback a lot easier.

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/3/7 Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com: 2010/3/6 Michał Piotrowski: 2010/3/6 Orcan Ogetbil: The numbers 11, 12 should only indicate the core components revision number . I'm not convinced to this philosophy. I have used a few Linux distros in past 11 years, and this is something new

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Kalev Lember wrote: On 03/07/2010 12:52 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Yet moreover you also have the option of updating bugfixes in addition, leaving the enhancement updates out. I really don't think I have that option. It might work in some cases, but generally

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
2010/3/6 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/3/7 Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com: 2010/3/6 Michał Piotrowski: 2010/3/6 Orcan Ogetbil: The numbers 11, 12 should only indicate the core components revision number . I'm not convinced to this philosophy. I have used a few Linux distros

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Debarshi Ray
Why? I don't want to update/reinstall all my machines every 6 months. Since you don't want to update every 6 months, you want people to keep updating every now and then? Cheers, Debarshi -- One reason that life is complex is that it has a real part and an imaginary part. -- Andrew Koenig

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/07/2010 06:47 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Again I say updates-testing! Leaving php-5.3 in testing on F-11 for a couple months will warn the users what is coming up and gives them plenty of time to adapt. If you have a large codebase two months is barely enough time to even big

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/3/7 Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com: On 03/07/2010 06:47 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Again I say updates-testing! Leaving php-5.3 in testing on F-11 for a couple months will warn the users what is coming up and gives them plenty of time to adapt. If you have a large codebase two months

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Jonathan Underwood
On 6 March 2010 17:00, Christoph Wickert christoph.wick...@googlemail.com wrote: While we are at it, here is another great update: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F11/FEDORA-2010-3326      * New version introduced in F11.      * Doesn't fix any bugs but it's an enhancement only.      

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/07/2010 06:47 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Again I say updates-testing! Leaving php-5.3 in testing on F-11 for a couple months will warn the users what is coming up and gives them plenty of time to adapt. If you have a large codebase

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Debarshi Ray
Again I say updates-testing! Leaving php-5.3 in testing on F-11 for a couple months will warn the users what is coming up and gives them plenty of time to adapt. If you have a large codebase two months is barely enough time to even big evaluating a move Then make it 3 months, 4 months...

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/07/2010 07:17 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Then make it 3 months, 4 months... Leave it in testing forever if you get too many complaints. But make it available for those who want it. updates-testing should not be used for this purpose

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/3/7 Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/07/2010 07:17 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Then make it 3 months, 4 months... Leave it in testing forever if you get too many complaints. But make it available for those who want it.

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
2010/3/6 Michał Piotrowski: 2010/3/7 Orcan Ogetbil: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/07/2010 07:17 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Then make it 3 months, 4 months... Leave it in testing forever if you get too many complaints. But make it available for those who want it.

Re: Fedora 13 Alpha Go/No-Go Meeting: 2010-03-04 @ 01:00 UTC Recap

2010-03-06 Thread Rakesh Pandit
On 6 March 2010 02:50, Adam Miller wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: We have various different definitions of the Alpha, it seems. The working definition that QA / rel-eng have always worked on when deciding whether to ship it is, broadly, 'can

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Peter Boy
Am Sonntag, den 07.03.2010, 01:49 +0100 schrieb Michał Piotrowski: Let's consider a situation - I'm developing a project in php 5.2. This project might work fine on php 5.3 - I don't know I didn't tested it yet. I'm depending on 5.2 version. Testing this code for a new php will take some time.

Welcome to Fedora docs/video/audio

2010-03-06 Thread Rakesh Pandit
Added marketing in cc (probably better place for discussion). Does it make sense to ship a small pdf (say having a title Welcome to Fedora) or if possible a video for users as an introduction to our distribution ? If yes, because it makes sense to keep it as small/simple as possible what should

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Ryan Rix
On Sat 6 March 2010 5:54:11 pm Conrad Meyer wrote: All Fedora developers are people, too -- please remember to show some respect. Be excellent to eachother http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview#Our_Community -- Ryan Rix == http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://rix.si/ ==

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2010-03-06 Thread david hannequin
Author: hvad Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Tk-DirSelect/devel In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv27716/devel Modified Files: .cvsignore sources Added Files: import.log perl-Tk-DirSelect.spec Log Message: --- NEW FILE import.log ---

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