Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread pbrobin...@gmail.com
Hi All,

Does anyone know if the new Broadcom drivers are in a state where they
would be in the Fedora 14 kernel? I've seen the release but i've not
seen any comment as to the state of them other than they already
support mac80211. These are quite a common device and I think it would
be nice to see them available in F-14.

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Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread drago01
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:16 AM, pbrobin...@gmail.com
pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 Does anyone know if the new Broadcom drivers are in a state where they
 would be in the Fedora 14 kernel? I've seen the release but i've not
 seen any comment as to the state of them other than they already
 support mac80211. These are quite a common device and I think it would
 be nice to see them available in F-14.

That's up to John to decide, so I added him to CC.
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Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread Jesse Keating


pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi All,

Does anyone know if the new Broadcom drivers are in a state where they
would be in the Fedora 14 kernel? I've seen the release but i've not
seen any comment as to the state of them other than they already
support mac80211. These are quite a common device and I think it would
be nice to see them available in F-14.


IIRC they require a firmware blob that has a license that we cannot distribute
unlike say the Intel firmwares. I could be wrong though. 
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Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread drago01
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote:


 pbrobin...@gmail.com pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi All,

Does anyone know if the new Broadcom drivers are in a state where they
would be in the Fedora 14 kernel? I've seen the release but i've not
seen any comment as to the state of them other than they already
support mac80211. These are quite a common device and I think it would
be nice to see them available in F-14.


 IIRC they require a firmware blob that has a license that we cannot distribute
 unlike say the Intel firmwares. I could be wrong though.

You are ;)

The firmware required is part of linux-firmware (i.e fine to ship).
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ogre3d lagging behind more than half a year

2010-09-14 Thread Rudolf Kastl
heyyas,

ogre3d, one of the most important 3d engines we have in fedora is
already lagging behind over half a year in rawhide:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=576286

would be nice to see it finally updated atleast in rawhide so it can
go atleast in f15... which means we are only 1 year behind by then.

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Re: FF 3.6.9 update for F-13

2010-09-14 Thread Michael J Gruber
Christopher Aillon venit, vidit, dixit 14.09.2010 00:49:
 On 09/12/2010 08:39 PM, Elio Maldonado wrote:
On 09/12/2010 12:50 AM, Bojan Smojver wrote:
 How did this slip through the cracks? Isn't that a security related
 update?

 No, it didn't slip trough the cracks. Some problems with the nss 3.12.7
 update on which it depends have held up the release for f13 and f12.
 
 That needs to get resolved, indeed.
 
 However, this is a security release, and Bojan is right. We need to get 
 this released. Broken libraries typically means we disable system 
 libraries, build with the in-tree copy so we can get the bulk of the 
 code out to users, and then when the system library is fixed, we can 
 build against the system copy.
 
 Martin/Jan, can one of you handle that please if nss is still not yet ready?

FWIW, Remi Collet has a build like that in his remi-testing repo for F-13.

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Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 00:40 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
 IIRC they require a firmware blob that has a license that we cannot distribute
 unlike say the Intel firmwares. I could be wrong though. 

That's still true of the b43 firmware for older (pre-802.11n) devices,
but the firmware to go with their new driver is now in
linux-firmware.git.

Their *original* offering of that new firmware had a stupid licence --
you could only distribute it if you promised to indemnify and defend
Broadcom from all related third-party lawsuits. They fixed that though,
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Re: koji client does not work through proxy

2010-09-14 Thread Manuel Wolfshant
  On 09/14/2010 12:18 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
 On Mon, 13 Sep 2010, Ralph Lange wrote:

Hi,

 Today I had to learn that the koji client, while being the only way to
 request a build, does not support proxies.

 In a university like environment with no open ports whatsoever, with an
 increasingly paranoid IT group in charge of the firewall and proxy, that
 does not leave a lot of options.
 While I was able to ssh tunnel my way out of this miserable situation, I
 think this approach does not work as a general solution.

 I realized that this issue has been discussed two years ago [1], but I
 did not find any newer statements.
 Is there any work being done (or an intention to do so) to improve the
 situation?

 Thanks,
 Ralph

 [1]
 https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-August/msg00665.html

 You'll need at least some open ports.  443 and 80 I think are the only
 ones required for koji builds.
and exactly those are the ones proxied almost everywhere where a 
mandatory proxy is in use. 80 at least.
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rawhide report: 20100914 changes

2010-09-14 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Tue Sep 14 08:15:26 UTC 2010

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Re: ogre3d lagging behind more than half a year

2010-09-14 Thread ニール・ゴンパ
I don't think it would have been too late for Fedora 14. It isn't a core
package that needs to be available in a spin, afaik...

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Rudolf Kastl che...@gmail.com wrote:

 heyyas,

 ogre3d, one of the most important 3d engines we have in fedora is
 already lagging behind over half a year in rawhide:

 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=576286

 would be nice to see it finally updated atleast in rawhide so it can
 go atleast in f15... which means we are only 1 year behind by then.

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[perl-Test-Most] New release, 0.23

2010-09-14 Thread Petr Sabata
commit fa6df7dc7af1ba736cb2c9ee809b8d367e1ae3f9
Author: Petr Sabata psab...@redhat.com
Date:   Tue Sep 14 15:11:21 2010 +0200

New release, 0.23

 .gitignore  |1 +
 perl-Test-Most.spec |   17 ++---
 sources |2 +-
 3 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index 3c2bda2..a331c36 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -1 +1,2 @@
 Test-Most-0.21.tar.gz
+/Test-Most-0.23.tar.gz
diff --git a/perl-Test-Most.spec b/perl-Test-Most.spec
index 468e187..61f1939 100644
--- a/perl-Test-Most.spec
+++ b/perl-Test-Most.spec
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:   perl-Test-Most
-Version:0.21
-Release:6%{?dist}
+Version:0.23
+Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:Perl module with test functions and features
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -11,12 +11,12 @@ BuildArch:  noarch
 BuildRequires:  perl(Data::Dumper::Names) = 0.03
 BuildRequires:  perl(Exception::Class) = 1.14
 BuildRequires:  perl(Module::Build)
-BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Deep)
-BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Differences)
-BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Exception)
+BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Deep) = 0.106
+BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Differences) 
+BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Exception) = 0.29
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Harness) = 3.07
-BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Simple) = 0.82
-BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Warn) = 0.1
+BuildRequires:  perl(Test::More) = 0.88
+BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Warn) = 0.11
 Requires:   perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo 
$version))
 
 %description
@@ -52,6 +52,9 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Tue Sep 14 2010 Petr Sabata psab...@redhat.com - 0.23-1
+- New release, 0.23
+
 * Thu May 06 2010 Marcela Maslanova mmasl...@redhat.com - 0.21-6
 - Mass rebuild with perl-5.12.0
 
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index df74605..fd57985 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-8066a15a40154d011296b33ce02a1cf8  Test-Most-0.21.tar.gz
+e36de54581fa2248c37f9e30e814769c  Test-Most-0.23.tar.gz
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[Bug 633719] perl-CPAN-Checksums-2.05 is available

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 CC|mmasl...@redhat.com |ppi...@redhat.com
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[Bug 633751] perl-Test-Most-0.23 is available

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   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED
   Fixed In Version||perl-Test-Most-0.23-1.fc15
 Resolution||RAWHIDE
Last Closed||2010-09-14 09:28:13

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Re: koji client does not work through proxy

2010-09-14 Thread Enrico Scholz
Ralph Lange ralph.la...@bessy.de writes:

 Today I had to learn that the koji client, while being the only way to 
 request a build, does not support proxies.

yes; like most python programs it does not have proper proxy support.


 In a university like environment with no open ports whatsoever, with
 an increasingly paranoid IT group in charge of the firewall and proxy,
 that does not leave a lot of options.  While I was able to ssh tunnel
 my way out of this miserable situation, I think this approach does not
 work as a general solution.

try transconnect[1]; unfortunately with the switch to 'fed-pkg', you can
not wrap the 'koji' program anymore but have to wrap whole 'fed-pkg'
which calls other tools (git, ssh, curl) with http proxy support. This
might interfere so you might have to play with your parameters.



Enrico

Footnotes: 
[1]  http://transconnect.sourceforge.net/

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File PAR-1.002.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by psabata

2010-09-14 Thread Petr Sabata
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-PAR:

789a0768881cd051ad7bc2b9d89a56fb  PAR-1.002.tar.gz
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[perl-PAR] New version, v1.002

2010-09-14 Thread Petr Sabata
commit 5306c715b4e1f3c44bbcae0a17feaf9fb5cf2115
Author: Petr Sabata psab...@redhat.com
Date:   Tue Sep 14 15:37:50 2010 +0200

New version, v1.002

 perl-PAR.spec |7 +--
 1 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-PAR.spec b/perl-PAR.spec
index fa7d29d..320a00d 100644
--- a/perl-PAR.spec
+++ b/perl-PAR.spec
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:   perl-PAR
-Version:1.000
-Release:2%{?dist}
+Version:1.002
+Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:Perl Archive Toolkit
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -51,6 +51,9 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Tue Sep 14 2010 Petr Sabata psab...@redhat.com - 1.002-1
+- New release, v1.002
+
 * Tue Aug 24 2010 Adam Tkac atkac redhat com - 1.000-2
 - rebuild
 
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[perl-PAR] Sources file change

2010-09-14 Thread Petr Sabata
commit 80ad7fb2c468a71a74efb568caacf6d8ec8bba87
Author: Petr Sabata psab...@redhat.com
Date:   Tue Sep 14 15:39:41 2010 +0200

Sources file change

 .gitignore |1 +
 sources|2 +-
 2 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index 47e9275..37055bf 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -1 +1,2 @@
 PAR-1.000.tar.gz
+/PAR-1.002.tar.gz
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index 406bb6e..5d6290f 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-db64d89784c1b6de41a587837c9fca25  PAR-1.000.tar.gz
+789a0768881cd051ad7bc2b9d89a56fb  PAR-1.002.tar.gz
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[Bug 633738] perl-PAR-1.002 is available

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 Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED
   Fixed In Version||perl-PAR-1.002-1.fc15
 Resolution||RAWHIDE
Last Closed||2010-09-14 09:47:38

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File CPAN-Checksums-2.05.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2010-09-14 Thread Petr Pisar
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c977fc3a10855d1d48f2b0a78a91467b  CPAN-Checksums-2.05.tar.gz
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Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread John W. Linville
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:31:44PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
 On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 00:40 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
  IIRC they require a firmware blob that has a license that we cannot 
  distribute
  unlike say the Intel firmwares. I could be wrong though. 
 
 That's still true of the b43 firmware for older (pre-802.11n) devices,
 but the firmware to go with their new driver is now in
 linux-firmware.git.
 
 Their *original* offering of that new firmware had a stupid licence --
 you could only distribute it if you promised to indemnify and defend
 Broadcom from all related third-party lawsuits. They fixed that though,
 and I merged it.

Nevertheless, everyone I know that has reviewed the newly released
driver code is being treated for eye cancer.  I wouldn't expect to
see it in F-14.

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Re: ogre3d lagging behind more than half a year

2010-09-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:43:03 +0200,
  Rudolf Kastl che...@gmail.com wrote:
 heyyas,
 
 ogre3d, one of the most important 3d engines we have in fedora is
 already lagging behind over half a year in rawhide:
 
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=576286
 
 would be nice to see it finally updated atleast in rawhide so it can
 go atleast in f15... which means we are only 1 year behind by then.

Get volunteers for the Spins SIG lead and Spins Wrangler to free up some of
my time and there is a good chance it will get done for F15. It's really
too late to try to do this for F14.

There are some related packages (e.g. mygui) that also need updating.
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Re: ogre3d lagging behind more than half a year

2010-09-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 08:21:33 -0500,
  Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) ngomp...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't think it would have been too late for Fedora 14. It isn't a core
 package that needs to be available in a spin, afaik...

It wasn't when I was going to try to work on it, but I got swamped with
Spins SIG / livecd-tools work and didn't have time to do it. It's really
too late to be doing soname bumps for this package for F14.
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[Bug 633720] perl-Date-Manip-6.11 is available

2010-09-14 Thread bugzilla
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   What|Removed |Added

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[perl-Pod-Abstract] New release, v0.20

2010-09-14 Thread Petr Sabata
commit 02e8358d8813b23e137d240b5ed11f235c1e872c
Author: Petr Sabata psab...@redhat.com
Date:   Tue Sep 14 16:32:05 2010 +0200

New release, v0.20

 perl-Pod-Abstract.spec |   10 --
 1 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Pod-Abstract.spec b/perl-Pod-Abstract.spec
index 2deb8dc..75db106 100644
--- a/perl-Pod-Abstract.spec
+++ b/perl-Pod-Abstract.spec
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:   perl-Pod-Abstract
-Version:0.17
-Release:5%{?dist}
+Version:0.20
+Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:Abstract document tree for Perl POD documents
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -10,6 +10,9 @@ BuildRoot:  
%{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
 BuildArch:  noarch
 BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
 BuildRequires:  perl(IO::String)
+BuildRequires:  perl(Pod::Parser)
+BuildRequires:  perl(Scalar::Util)
+BuildRequires:  perl(Task::Weaken)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::More)
 Requires:   perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo 
$version))
 
@@ -51,6 +54,9 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 %{_mandir}/man1/paf.1.gz
 
 %changelog
+* Tue Sep 14 2010 Petr Sabata psab...@redhat.com - 0.20-1
+- New release, v0.20
+
 * Tue May 04 2010 Marcela Maslanova mmasl...@redhat.com - 0.17-5
 - Mass rebuild with perl-5.12.0
 
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Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread pbrobin...@gmail.com
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:13 PM, John W. Linville linvi...@redhat.com wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:31:44PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
 On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 00:40 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
  IIRC they require a firmware blob that has a license that we cannot 
  distribute
  unlike say the Intel firmwares. I could be wrong though.

 That's still true of the b43 firmware for older (pre-802.11n) devices,
 but the firmware to go with their new driver is now in
 linux-firmware.git.

 Their *original* offering of that new firmware had a stupid licence --
 you could only distribute it if you promised to indemnify and defend
 Broadcom from all related third-party lawsuits. They fixed that though,
 and I merged it.

 Nevertheless, everyone I know that has reviewed the newly released
 driver code is being treated for eye cancer.  I wouldn't expect to
 see it in F-14.

Thanks for the update. That's what I suspected as it seems to be the
norm for vendor code dumps.

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F-14 Branched report: 20100914 changes

2010-09-14 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Tue Sep 14 13:15:38 UTC 2010

Broken deps for x86_64
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Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
 On 09/14/2010 08:33 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for the update. That's what I suspected as it seems to be the
 norm for vendor code dumps.

It is nevertheless a massive step forward.  I heard OEM systems were
favouring other, even slightly more expensive wireless cards because of
the poor Linux support from Broadcom in this particular area and their
change removes one of the major barriers in the near future.

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Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread Jesse Keating


Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 09/14/2010 08:33 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for the update. That's what I suspected as it seems to be the
 norm for vendor code dumps.

It is nevertheless a massive step forward.  I heard OEM systems were
favouring other, even slightly more expensive wireless cards because of
the poor Linux support from Broadcom in this particular area and their
change removes one of the major barriers in the near future.

Which OEMs care enough about Linux support to use a more expensive part? 
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Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:04:04PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
 Which OEMs care enough about Linux support to use a more expensive part? 

Seriously. I will go buy their stuff right now.

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Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
 On 09/15/2010 12:49 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:04:04PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
 Which OEMs care enough about Linux support to use a more expensive part? 
 Seriously. I will go buy their stuff right now.

I read that HP was doing this but haven't verified.

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Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread pbrobin...@gmail.com
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 09/15/2010 12:49 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:04:04PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
 Which OEMs care enough about Linux support to use a more expensive part?
 Seriously. I will go buy their stuff right now.

 I read that HP was doing this but haven't verified.

From supporting Sugar related deployments using the Fedora Sugar on a
Stick with HP laptops I've not exactly seen that but I'm not sure if
its pertaining to particular models. I know Dell in the past has
offered their re branded Broadcom wifi with an option of Intel wifi
for a £5 premium. No idea if HP does similar.

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Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread pbrobin...@gmail.com
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 09/14/2010 08:33 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for the update. That's what I suspected as it seems to be the
 norm for vendor code dumps.

 It is nevertheless a massive step forward.  I heard OEM systems were
 favouring other, even slightly more expensive wireless cards because of
 the poor Linux support from Broadcom in this particular area and their
 change removes one of the major barriers in the near future.

I'm not denying the massive step forward, its certainly a valued contribution.

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[Bug 457760] perl-HTML-Format not available for EL-4

2010-09-14 Thread bugzilla
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Bug 457760 depends on bug 457759, which changed state.

Bug 457759 Summary: perl-Font-AFM not available for EL-4
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457759

   What|Old Value   |New Value

 Resolution||WONTFIX
 Status|NEW |CLOSED

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[Bug 457759] perl-Font-AFM not available for EL-4

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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457759

Xavier Bachelot xav...@bachelot.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |CLOSED
 Resolution||WONTFIX
   Flag|needinfo?(xav...@bachelot.o |
   |rg) |
Last Closed||2010-09-14 16:16:42

--- Comment #2 from Xavier Bachelot xav...@bachelot.org 2010-09-14 16:16:42 
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Most likely not. This is probably a left over from when I was working on
pushing RT3 to EPEL. The EL4 perl stack is too old for a number of modules, and
I've not much interest in EL4 anymore anyway.

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something's up with auth in rawhide

2010-09-14 Thread Jon Masters
Folks,

Just did an install of rawhide from today using mirrors.kernel.org and
F14-Alpha installer media for the Anaconda runtime.

1). There is no default runlevel
2). I'm dropped into a confused shell on boot.
3). User accounts such as root are not recognized after init 3
4). init 5 starts gdm and I can then login as normal.

It might just be broken deps or something. Did anyone else see this?

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Re: something's up with auth in rawhide

2010-09-14 Thread Jon Masters
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 16:23 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:

 1). There is no default runlevel
 2). I'm dropped into a confused shell on boot.
 3). User accounts such as root are not recognized after init 3
 4). init 5 starts gdm and I can then login as normal.
 
 It might just be broken deps or something. Did anyone else see this?

Ok. So I remember now that there was a recent Anaconda bug to change
the /etc/systemd/system/default.target symlink and of course I was using
the alpha media. I'll fix that. But still, should not init 3 have
resulted in things like passwd working? :)

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Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 01:01 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
 On 09/15/2010 12:49 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
  On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:04:04PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
  Which OEMs care enough about Linux support to use a more expensive part? 
  Seriously. I will go buy their stuff right now.
 
 I read that HP was doing this but haven't verified.

Ones who pre-load Linux could presumably calculate that shipping a
better supported chip may cost them slightly more initially but save
them maintenance headaches and hence eventually work out cheaper, so
that would be Dell and HP. I think some of their pre-loaded systems do
come with Intel chipsets rather than Broadcom, which are indeed slightly
more expensive to procure. I haven't directly heard the rumours Rahul
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Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread Athmane Madjoudj

 I read that HP was doing this but haven't verified.

 Ones who pre-load Linux could presumably calculate that shipping a
 better supported chip may cost them slightly more initially but save
 them maintenance headaches and hence eventually work out cheaper, so
 that would be Dell and HP. I think some of their pre-loaded systems do
 come with Intel chipsets rather than Broadcom, which are indeed slightly
 more expensive to procure. I haven't directly heard the rumours Rahul
 had, though.

Some HP laptops pre-loaded with FreeDOS, and comes with a Broadcom chip 
(BCM4312 rev 01), and the website/manual said: it's certified for SuSE 
Enterprise Linux and RedFlag Linux (Asian distro based on RHEL) however 
the wifi is supported by propriety driver from Broadcom (broadcom-wl).

So when HP (and others) say that a laptop (or other hardware) is 
certified for Linux this include hardware with propriety drivers.

Another exemple is EmperorLinux they sells some Linux-certified laptops 
with nVidia hardware.



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F12/ Cannot update

2010-09-14 Thread Andrea Musuruane
Hi all,
If I try to update F12 I get the following error:

# yum update
Plugin abilitati:presto, refresh-packagekit
Impostazione processo di aggiornamento
Risoluzione dipendenze
-- Esecuzione del controllo di transazione
--- Pacchetto firefox.x86_64 0:3.5.12-1.fc12 settato per essere aggiornato
--- Pacchetto xulrunner.x86_64 0:1.9.1.12-1.fc12 settato per essere aggiornato
--- Pacchetto xulrunner-devel.x86_64 0:1.9.1.12-1.fc12 settato per
essere aggiornato
-- Elaborazione dipendenza: pkgconfig(nspr) = 4.8.6 per il
pacchetto: xulrunner-devel-1.9.1.12-1.fc12.x86_64
-- Risoluzione delle dipendenze completata
Errore: Pacchetto: xulrunner-devel-1.9.1.12-1.fc12.x86_64 (updates)
richiede: pkgconfig(nspr) = 4.8.6
Installato: nspr-devel-4.8.4-2.fc12.x86_64 (@updates)
pkgconfig(nspr) = 4.8.4
Disponibile: nspr-devel-4.8.2-1.fc12.i686 (fedora)
pkgconfig(nspr) = 4.8.2
 Si può provare ad usare --skip-broken per aggirare il problema
 Provare ad eseguire: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest

What's going on? nspr-4.8.6 is still in testing (with a bad karma).
Why xulrunner has been built against this and pushed to stable? This
brakes the update process in F12.

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Re: F12/ Cannot update

2010-09-14 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Andrea Musuruane wrote:
 Why xulrunner has been built against this and pushed to stable?

Because Firefox/Thunderbird maintainers have the ability to 
Push-To-Stable regardless of what the Fedora package policies say. Harrumph.

I have previously complained of this fact before when these packages 
broke things but my complaints fell on deaf ears. What is the correct 
course of action to stop this nonsense?
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Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2010-09-14)
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Meeting started by nirik at 19:30:01 UTC. The full logs are available at
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Meeting summary
---
* init process  (nirik, 19:30:01)
  * pjones and ajax are traveling today, will not be able to attend.
(nirik, 19:30:30)

* Updates policy status  (nirik, 19:33:02)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft
(nirik, 19:34:12)
  * ACTION: nirik (and anyone else who wishes) to work on the updates
policy wiki page for next week.  (nirik, 20:02:44)
  * ACTION: SMParrish to work on metrics  (nirik, 20:02:53)
  * ACTION: SMParrish and mjg59 to work on ideas for kde updates in
stable releases.  (nirik, 20:04:09)

* http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DNSSEC_on_workstations  (nirik,
  20:05:55)

* http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GoldLinkerDefault  (nirik,
  20:10:07)

* #461 F14 blessing for systemd  (nirik, 20:12:29)
  * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_initialization_basic
and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_initialization_tools
(nirik, 20:38:06)
  * ACTION: : will defer systemd to f15 release to give more time to fix
small issues and docs and general polish.  (nirik, 21:12:43)
  * ACTION: notting will look at what's required to flip the default in
f14  (notting, 21:13:44)

* #464 - Fix nss update issues  (nirik, 21:15:31)

* Open Floor  (nirik, 21:32:28)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=488968   (nirik,
21:33:57)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2387
(nirik, 21:34:06)

Meeting ended at 21:38:58 UTC.




Action Items

* nirik (and anyone else who wishes) to work on the updates policy wiki
  page for next week.
* SMParrish to work on metrics
* SMParrish and mjg59 to work on ideas for kde updates in stable
  releases.
* : will defer systemd to f15 release to give more time to fix small
  issues and docs and general polish.
* notting will look at what's required to flip the default in f14




Action Items, by person
---
* mjg59
  * SMParrish and mjg59 to work on ideas for kde updates in stable
releases.
* nirik
  * nirik (and anyone else who wishes) to work on the updates policy
wiki page for next week.
* notting
  * notting will look at what's required to flip the default in f14
* SMParrish
  * SMParrish to work on metrics
  * SMParrish and mjg59 to work on ideas for kde updates in stable
releases.
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * : will defer systemd to f15 release to give more time to fix small
issues and docs and general polish.




People Present (lines said)
---
* nirik (177)
* notting (61)
* mjg59 (61)
* mclasen (46)
* SMParrish (17)
* emaldona_mtv (15)
* jsmith (14)
* drago01 (13)
* gholms (12)
* zodbot (11)
* fenris02 (7)
* poelcat (5)
* lmacken (4)
* adamw (2)
* jankratochvil (2)
* mclasen_afk (1)
* pjones (0)
* ajax (0)
* kylem (0)
* cwickert (0)
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19:30:01 nirik #startmeeting FESCO (2010-09-14)
19:30:01 zodbot Meeting started Tue Sep 14 19:30:01 2010 UTC.  The chair is 
nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
19:30:01 zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link 
#topic.
19:30:01 nirik #meetingname fesco
19:30:01 nirik #chair mclasen notting nirik SMParrish kylem ajax pjones 
cwickert mjg59
19:30:01 nirik #topic init process
19:30:01 zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
19:30:01 zodbot Current chairs: SMParrish ajax cwickert kylem mclasen mjg59 
nirik notting pjones
19:30:30 nirik #info pjones and ajax are traveling today, will not be able to 
attend.
19:30:55 * mclasen present
19:31:02 notting pjones also said he'd be out next week too
19:31:04 * notting is here
19:31:05 * SMParrish here
19:31:08 * nirik nods. yep.
19:31:36 mjg59 Here
19:31:51 nirik cool. I think thats enough of us to get started...
19:32:18 nirik We have 3 updates related tickets. Should we just do them in 
one Updates policy status section? ;)
19:32:38 mjg59 Seems reasonable
19:33:02 nirik #topic Updates policy status
19:33:11 nirik .fesco 351
19:33:12 zodbot nirik: #351 (Create a policy for updates) - FESCo - Trac - 
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/351
19:33:16 nirik .fesco 382
19:33:17 zodbot nirik: #382 (Implementing Stable Release Vision) - FESCo - 
Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/382
19:33:22 nirik .fesco 454
19:33:23 zodbot nirik: #454 (pre-release update acceptance criteria) - FESCo 
- Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/454
19:33:36 nirik so, on the first one we are just waiting for autoqa.
19:33:54 nirik on the second one, I whipped up a wiki page for docs the other 
day:
19:34:12 nirik https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft
19:34:37 nirik this is based on Ajax and notting's work for the stable 

15 or rawhide?

2010-09-14 Thread Jon Masters
Folks,

I was going to file an automated bug report, but it wants to file
against 15, which doesn't exist, rather than Rawhide (which obviously
does). I can email and ask for a version 15 to be added to Bugzilla,
etc. but is that the solution, or should ABRT be always realizing to use
rawhide and it's just a bug in that tool?

Jon.


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[Bug 457760] perl-HTML-Format not available for EL-4

2010-09-14 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional
comments should be made in the comments box of this bug.


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457760

Xavier Bachelot xav...@bachelot.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |CLOSED
 Resolution||WONTFIX
Last Closed||2010-09-14 18:22:26

--- Comment #1 from Xavier Bachelot xav...@bachelot.org 2010-09-14 18:22:26 
EDT ---
Leftover from trying to push RT3 to EPEL4. The perl stack is too old for a
number of modules, so let's close this one too.

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Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-14 Thread James Antill
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 22:39 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
 On 13 September 2010 21:49, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
  So Seth spent half a day implementing a proof of concept:
  http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/fedora-app-market-proof-of-concept/
 
 Translations?

 They were part of the half day hack PoC, but yes to expand your answer
in a nice way:

 If/when you propose this for inclusion as repodata, will you be adding
a bunch of information that wasn't in the half-day PoC

...and the answer is: Yes, there's lots of interesting data that could
be added.

 Offline queries?

 What about offline queries? I assume you know you can do them just fine
with yum on the current repodata, and I assume you haven't worked out a
way to magically install your repodata in a package packages when it
isn't installed and there is no network/CD.
 So, again, what are you trying to say?

 Co-operating with other distros?

 For the half-day PoC, really? But even then, Seth co-operated with
Fedora rel-eng's desire that repo-metadata actually be repo-metadata.
Which is the only thing anyone said is a must fix for Fedora.
 It's hard to see what other distros. have required as must fix with
app-install, given that none are using it.

 Call me biased, but doing things in yum because it's the way it
 always used to be carries little weight when the user experience just
 sucks really hard.

 Ok, you're biased.
 As you've been told numerous times, putting repodata in packages is a
terrible idea due to a bunch of known problems, including:

1. How do you keep it in sync. with the repo?

2. How do you deal with the reality of multiple repos?

3. How do you deal with disabling repos? Temporarily?

4. How does anadonda see it?

...this is why repodata is repodata, and we don't just ship
fedora-primary.rpm etc. This is not specific to yum, and would still be
the case if you finish Zif and Fedora moves to it (or
apt/zypper/whatever) instead.

  I've been working on app-install now with other
 distro people for nearly two years.

 I'm not sure I'd be rushing to tell everyone that a half-day PoC was
better than my 2 years of work, but each to his own. And, again, it begs
the question ... why is no other distro. using it?
 But then maybe you didn't mean all those two years were spent doing
something which is fundamentally impossible to put in repodata, which is
the only required change I've seen from anyone in Fedora ($DEITY help
us with any of the other things we just wanted).

 Sometimes I wonder why I should deal with Fedora and all the politics
 when Ubuntu and Suse just ship something that works.

 Ubuntu recently got high praise from LWN for Software Center in 10.10
betas. It doesn't use PackageKit at all AFAICS (no PackageKit packages
are installed in my VM). It integrates tightly with apt (you know, like
showing package history ... like yumex does). Also their package
install/remove tool is not gpk-application, and their update tool is not
gpk-update-viewer.

 So I'm having a hard time working out what you mean.

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Fedora 14 Blocker Bug Meeting Recap 2010-09-14

2010-09-14 Thread John Poelstra
A last minute blocker bug meeting was held in #fedora-bugzappers to 
review the state of the open Fedora 14 Beta Blocker bugs.  In order to 
create the Fedora 14 Beta Release Candidate on Thursday (2010-09-16), 
test, and release on time, this list MUST be empty by 2010-09-15 
(tomorrow)!


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=611991hide_resolved=1

YOU can help by re-testing bugs in MODIFIED or helping to debug bugs yet 
to be fixed.


==
#fedora-bugzappers: interim beta blocker bug review meeting 2010-09-14
==


Meeting started by adamw at 18:05:56 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2010-09-14/fedora-bugzappers.2010-09-14-18.05.log.html
.



Meeting summary
---
* intro  (adamw, 18:06:07)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608992  (adamw, 18:07:23)
   * AGREED: 633827 adamw will test bcl's proposed fix and feed back to
 him  (adamw, 18:13:53)
   * ACTION: adamw to test bcl fix for 633827  (adamw, 18:14:04)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=621027  (adamw, 18:14:49)
   * AGREED: 621027 fix is in but problem with live image bootloader
 background, jlaska to test potential fix from mizmo  (adamw,
 18:19:08)
   * ACTION: jlaska to test 621027 fixes from mizmo  (adamw, 18:19:16)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=622927  (adamw, 18:21:12)
   * AGREED: 622927 ask tester to verify fix in TC1 and close the bug
 (adamw, 18:24:01)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=627014  (adamw, 18:24:33)
   * AGREED: 627014 looks like major issues are fixed, we can drop it
 from blocker list or close it when 10-1+ is accepted  (adamw,
 18:30:15)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=627401  (adamw, 18:30:32)
   * AGREED: 627401 is fixed in anaconda 14.17.1-1, anaconda team need to
 submit that or a later build to bodhi  (adamw, 18:34:02)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=628239  (adamw, 18:34:26)
   * AGREED: 628239 does not appear to be valid as described, waiting on
 more info from reporter, but unless we learn something new, looks
 like this isn't a blocker  (adamw, 18:38:34)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=628241  (adamw, 18:39:38)
   * LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/firstboot-1.113-1.fc14
 - i posted a comment asking mgracik to push it  (adamw, 18:41:31)
   * AGREED: 628241 is fixed in firstboot-1.113-1, needs to be pushed
 stable  (adamw, 18:44:17)
   * ACTION: mgracik or notting to push firstboot-1.113-1 stable  (adamw,
 18:44:30)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=629719  (adamw, 18:44:40)
   * AGREED: 629719: we suspect reporter malfeasance, plan is to try and
 replicate in office, send out ml call to see if anyone else can, and
 ask reporter to try once more; if we get no more info on this bug
 will demote it  (adamw, 19:06:20)
   * ACTION: adamw or jlaska to send out ml testing call for 629719
 (adamw, 19:06:33)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=630490  (adamw, 19:07:00)
   * AGREED: 630490 testing indicates this is fixed in systemd-10, can be
 closed when that goes stable  (adamw, 19:09:50)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=630952  (adamw, 19:10:32)
   * AGREED: testing indicates 630952 fix is good, bug can be closed when
 systemd/initscripts update goes stable  (adamw, 19:12:35)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=631620  (adamw, 19:12:58)
   * AGREED: 631620 fix looks good in all important respects, can be
 closed when hal update is pushed  (adamw, 19:18:26)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=632321  (adamw, 19:18:45)
   * AGREED: 632321 is fixed in systemd 10, can be closed when it goes
 stable  (adamw, 19:29:40)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=632489  (adamw, 19:29:51)
   * AGREED: 632489 fix has been tested in updates.img, next anaconda
 build will include it  (adamw, 19:32:20)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=632510  (adamw, 19:32:40)
   * AGREED: 632510 fix is in, needs a new build to test it; can either
 be a quick test boot.iso or we can test it in rc1  (adamw, 19:37:56)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=633234  (adamw, 19:38:05)
   * AGREED: 633234 is a blocker, top priority for anaconda team, it
 seems reproducible by at least two testers  (adamw, 19:47:29)
   * ACTION: anaconda team to try and investigate and fix 633234  (adamw,
 19:47:37)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=633315  (adamw, 19:48:19)
   * AGREED: 633315 doesn't seem like a blocker, we will reject it for
 now and ask radek to re-propose if he has a reason for it to be one
 (adamw, 20:02:24)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=633523  (adamw, 20:06:45)
   * AGREED: 633523 is an accepted blocker, we cc 

Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread Ric Wheeler
  On 09/14/2010 10:13 AM, John W. Linville wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:31:44PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
 On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 00:40 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
 IIRC they require a firmware blob that has a license that we cannot 
 distribute
 unlike say the Intel firmwares. I could be wrong though.
 That's still true of the b43 firmware for older (pre-802.11n) devices,
 but the firmware to go with their new driver is now in
 linux-firmware.git.

 Their *original* offering of that new firmware had a stupid licence --
 you could only distribute it if you promised to indemnify and defend
 Broadcom from all related third-party lawsuits. They fixed that though,
 and I merged it.
 Nevertheless, everyone I know that has reviewed the newly released
 driver code is being treated for eye cancer.  I wouldn't expect to
 see it in F-14.

 John

Can we use the firmware that they have for the existing broadcom wireless 
driver?

Ric

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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
  On 09/14/2010 10:01 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
* ACTION: : will defer systemd to f15 release to give more time to fix
  small issues and docs and general polish.  (nirik, 21:12:43)
What are you kidding me!

Gnome-shell better be sparkling out of aunt Tilly pony eyes before we 
ship it..sigh

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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 14.09.10 16:01, Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) wrote:

 * #461 F14 blessing for systemd  (nirik, 20:12:29)
   * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_initialization_basic
 and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_initialization_tools
 (nirik, 20:38:06)
   * ACTION: : will defer systemd to f15 release to give more time to fix
 small issues and docs and general polish.  (nirik, 21:12:43)
   * ACTION: notting will look at what's required to flip the default in
 f14  (notting, 21:13:44)

Nice move.

So, we closed all blocker bugs, we worked through the vast majority of
other bugs. I dealt with almost all issues raised in Bill's list, only
few small issues left. While there are some bugs open, we did our
homework. I was kept in the impression during the last week that these
are the criteria to get systemd into F14. But what happens? Out of
nowhere completely new criteria are created, and used to bring this
project down.

Why do we have the blocker bugs scheme if it apparently is irrelevant
for final decisions?

This is a really unfriendly move: I cannot win a game where the moment the
game nears it ends completely new rules are created. Quite frankly, this
is a recipe to piss people off, not to make people love developing for
Fedora. Yes, I am very disappointed, Fedora. 

It's also nice to not even bother to ping me for the FESCO
discussion. This all reads like a page from the book How to piss people
off and scare them away in 7 days. You make up new rules, and then
don't bother to invite the folks mostky affected when you apply them.

Oh, and next time, if you guys plan a move like that, then please do it
a couple of weeks earlier, so that I can find funnier things to do then
make you folks happy, since that's apparently not possible.

Everybody has a different idea of what Fedora should be, but mine is
definitely not one where people with negative energy make the rules and
then win by them.

There's something seriously wrong with the Fedora development
process, folks. And with you, FESCO. You excelled in erratic behaviour,
not in steering engineering.

Lennart

(Well, and I guess this will create a flamefest, but I won't reply
to the thread.)
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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread James Laska
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 16:01 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 * #461 F14 blessing for systemd  (nirik, 20:12:29)
   * LINK:
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_initialization_basic
 and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_initialization_tools
 (nirik, 20:38:06)
   * ACTION: : will defer systemd to f15 release to give more time to
 fix
 small issues and docs and general polish.  (nirik, 21:12:43)
   * ACTION: notting will look at what's required to flip the default
 in
 f14  (notting, 21:13:44) 

Am I mistaken in thinking that this is largely a messaging issue for
Fedora 14?  What I mean is, the exciting work Lennart has done will be
available at release.  Based on the test day results, it will likely be
operational.  However, we may not have all the bells and whistles
(documentation and more complex use cases) at release, and therefore it
will not be the default init system.

Much like we introduced and communicated btrfs support in F-11, should
we communicate systemd as a technology preview in Fedora 14?

Thanks,
James


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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:56 PM, James Laska jla...@redhat.com wrote:
 Much like we introduced and communicated btrfs support in F-11, should
 we communicate systemd as a technology preview in Fedora 14?

I would agree with this.  I certainly plan to run F14 with systemd in
anticipation of seeing it become the default at some point.

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Re: 15 or rawhide?

2010-09-14 Thread John Poelstra
Jon Masters said the following on 09/14/2010 03:17 PM Pacific Time:
 Folks,

 I was going to file an automated bug report, but it wants to file
 against 15, which doesn't exist, rather than Rawhide (which obviously
 does). I can email and ask for a version 15 to be added to Bugzilla,
 etc. but is that the solution, or should ABRT be always realizing to use
 rawhide and it's just a bug in that tool?

 Jon.



No, please do not create version 15. Shouldn't ABRT be looking to a file 
like /etc/fedora-release to determine the release version?

Rawhide is the repo where the packages and the version the bug was found 
in are until the repo branches and becomes 15, at which time version 15 
will be created and the open rawhide bugs that aren't features will be 
changed to 15.

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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
  On 09/15/2010 12:01 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:56 PM, James Laskajla...@redhat.com  wrote:
 Much like we introduced and communicated btrfs support in F-11, should
 we communicate systemd as a technology preview in Fedora 14?
 I would agree with this.  I certainly plan to run F14 with systemd in
 anticipation of seeing it become the default at some point.


Should gnome-shell and every other feature fall under technology 
preview and stay like that for sometime as well before becoming the 
default or does this just applied to certain features maintained by 
certain people. . .

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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/9/15 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com:
 Should gnome-shell (..) becoming the
 default

I hope that there will be the option to disable this default and
return to classical gnome desktop.

Regards,
Michal
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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Jeff Spaleta
2010/9/14 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com:
 Should gnome-shell and every other feature fall under technology
 preview and stay like that for sometime as well before becoming the
 default or does this just applied to certain features maintained by
 certain people. . .


I'm making lemonade out of lemons here.

I'm not stating an agreement or disagreement with the decision to
punt. What I am saying is that I am personally going to be using
systemd in an anticipation of and to what extent my usage can, hasten
it becoming the default.

And again.. without stating whether or not I agree or disagree with
this decision.. I will say its precedent setting.  For good or ill,
the decision to punt this feature is going to be held up as a
measuring stick in future feature discussions.. most assuredly.


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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Dienstag, den 14.09.2010, 16:01 -0600 schrieb Kevin Fenzi:

 Meeting summary
 ---
 * init process  (nirik, 19:30:01)
   * pjones and ajax are traveling today, will not be able to attend.
 (nirik, 19:30:30)

So am I, sorry i didn't make note earlier. I will be back next Tuesday
and should be able to attend the meeting.

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-14 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 6:28 PM, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
  Ubuntu recently got high praise from LWN for Software Center in 10.10
 betas. It doesn't use PackageKit at all AFAICS (no PackageKit packages
 are installed in my VM). It integrates tightly with apt (you know, like
 showing package history ... like yumex does). Also their package
 install/remove tool is not gpk-application, and their update tool is not
 gpk-update-viewer.


I had mentioned earlier that Canonical is pushing their Software
Center as a big feature, I don't see them replacing it with something
cross-distro any time soon.

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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Máirín Duffy
Hi FESCo members,

On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 16:01 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 ===
 #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2010-09-14)
 ===
 
 Meeting started by nirik at 19:30:01 UTC. The full logs are available at
 http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-09-14/fesco.2010-09-14-19.30.log.html
 
 Meeting summary
 ---
 * init process  (nirik, 19:30:01)
   * pjones and ajax are traveling today, will not be able to attend.
 (nirik, 19:30:30)

Only 5 of the 9 FESCo members voted on this issue. If all 9 had voted,
even with the current 3 for / 2 against vote, systemd could easily have
enough votes for inclusion in F14. I have a couple of questions for you,
FESCo, since I honestly don't know and maybe would feel more comfortable
knowing:

- Has there been any consideration for formalizing the acceptable of
absentee votes?

- How many members must be present at a meeting for a voting decision to
be considered valid?

- Is it possible to collect the votes of the folks who were not present?

Let me make one thing clear: if FESCo decides that this is the best
decision in the interest of Fedora, I trust you all completely to make
the right call. I am just coming away with the feeling that this is a
little closer to a dice roll - depending on who  how many showed up -
than I feel is really fair given the magnitude of the issue. This
decision while pending has come up as a topic time and time again in
Board meetings  community QA so it seems a major issue for a lot of
folks in Fedora. Therefore, I feel it should be something FESCo is quite
sure about.

Again, either way the decision goes - fine. It would be nice to hear
from the FESCo members not present on how they feel about the decision,
though.

Is anyone else feeling a little uncomfortable about the voting process,
irregardless of its conclusion?

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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 01:05:34 +0200
Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:

 On Tue, 14.09.10 16:01, Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) wrote:
 
  * #461 F14 blessing for systemd  (nirik, 20:12:29)
* LINK:
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_initialization_basic and
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_initialization_tools
  (nirik, 20:38:06)
* ACTION: : will defer systemd to f15 release to give more time
  to fix small issues and docs and general polish.  (nirik, 21:12:43)
* ACTION: notting will look at what's required to flip the
  default in f14  (notting, 21:13:44)
 
 Nice move.

...snip...

 Lennart
 
 (Well, and I guess this will create a flamefest, but I won't reply
 to the thread.)

I hope you still read it. I have some advice for you, which of course
you're welcome to take or leave: 

Please don't take everything personally. 

This is not about you as a person. I think systemd is cool and needed,
and I think you have been doing a fine job fixing bugs and issues. As a
whole, fesco decided to wait to make it default until next release.
There should not be any angst here, everyone wins: 

- Users get a more polished/documented/ready thing. 
- You don't have to spend crazy hours working on blockers before
  releases in a hurry, you can perhaps also spend some time on
  pulseaudio this cycle too?

Anyhow, please don't take things personally please? 

lets all just work to make a better fedora. 

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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:48:13 -0400
Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote:

 Hi FESCo members,

...snip...

 Only 5 of the 9 FESCo members voted on this issue. If all 9 had voted,
 even with the current 3 for / 2 against vote, systemd could easily
 have enough votes for inclusion in F14. I have a couple of questions
 for you, FESCo, since I honestly don't know and maybe would feel more
 comfortable knowing:

ok. 

 - Has there been any consideration for formalizing the acceptable of
 absentee votes?

no, but perhaps there should be?

 - How many members must be present at a meeting for a voting decision
 to be considered valid?

My understanding: A quorum (ie, 5 of 9). 

 - Is it possible to collect the votes of the folks who were not
 present?

yes. And I filed a ticket last week to do so: 
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/461

I'm pretty bummed that only 3 fesco members bothered to vote there. 

 Let me make one thing clear: if FESCo decides that this is the best
 decision in the interest of Fedora, I trust you all completely to make
 the right call. I am just coming away with the feeling that this is a
 little closer to a dice roll - depending on who  how many showed up -
 than I feel is really fair given the magnitude of the issue. This
 decision while pending has come up as a topic time and time again in
 Board meetings  community QA so it seems a major issue for a lot of
 folks in Fedora. Therefore, I feel it should be something FESCo is
 quite sure about.

I'm happy to look for ways to make the other fesco voices heard. 
Any ideas? I could try making the tickets have some more descriptive
subject like HEY VOTE ON THIS PLEASE BEFORE NEXT MEETING: or
something. 

 Again, either way the decision goes - fine. It would be nice to hear
 from the FESCo members not present on how they feel about the
 decision, though.

I'd love to too. 

 Is anyone else feeling a little uncomfortable about the voting
 process, irregardless of its conclusion?

Sure. I wish it was more clear cut too. 

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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Máirín Duffy
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 19:02 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 I'm happy to look for ways to make the other fesco voices heard. 
 Any ideas? I could try making the tickets have some more descriptive
 subject like HEY VOTE ON THIS PLEASE BEFORE NEXT MEETING: or
 something. 

Hmm. Here's a couple ideas I could think of:

- If you don't place a vote by $DATE, your vote will be assumed to be
$POSITION can be scarily motivating.

- Nag emails sent out by trac daily until you click on the email's yes 
no links to vote! (some of the ticket reminder trac hacks might work to
provide this)

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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 18:57 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

 I hope you still read it. I have some advice for you, which of course
 you're welcome to take or leave: 
 
 Please don't take everything personally. 

I don't see how Lennart is taking anything personally here.

He is merely expressing his frustration about the fact that he worked
his butt off for weeks, only to see the goalposts moved at the last
minute. A very understandable reaction, if you ask me.



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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 21:26:41 -0400,
  Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
 
 Hmm. Here's a couple ideas I could think of:
 
 - If you don't place a vote by $DATE, your vote will be assumed to be
 $POSITION can be scarily motivating.
 
 - Nag emails sent out by trac daily until you click on the email's yes 
 no links to vote! (some of the ticket reminder trac hacks might work to
 provide this)

Maybe we should track voting records and make them available publicly
so that at election time people can see if and how people pvoted on issues.
I would expect that people would be reluctant to keep people in FESCO who
miss a lot of votes.
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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 01:05:34AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:

 So, we closed all blocker bugs, we worked through the vast majority of
 other bugs. I dealt with almost all issues raised in Bill's list, only
 few small issues left. While there are some bugs open, we did our
 homework. I was kept in the impression during the last week that these
 are the criteria to get systemd into F14. But what happens? Out of
 nowhere completely new criteria are created, and used to bring this
 project down.

The criteria primarily flowed from Notting's discussion of systemd 
acceptance criteria. Was that well communicated beforehand? No. Did all 
of those criteria get translated into appropriate bugzilla entries? No. 
Should we have handled this case better? Absolutely yes.

With hindsight it was entirely inappropriate of us to make this decision 
without attempting to involve you in the discussion. I'm genuinely sorry 
about that. But since this is the situation that we're in now, I think 
what we're left with is the opportunity to identify what went wrong with 
our process and how to avoid this kind of thing in future.

Systemd was a relatively unusual feature, in that it's core 
functionality that impacts every spin, it exposes aspects of its 
functionality in multiple areas and it didn't exist during our previous 
release cycle. It's not obvious in advance what criteria we should be 
using for determining whether this kind of feature is acceptable or not. 
The right time for doing so would probably have been at the initial 
feature acceptance stage, and in future I'd like to suggest that for 
features of a similar scale to systemd we ensure that that's done. It 
makes the feature acceptance process significantly more difficult and 
longer, but it's time that will almost certainly otherwise be spent in 
mailing list discussion of the same thing. Having it presented in a 
structured manner beforehand is proably a net reduction in difficulty.

As an aside, it's also obvious that the degree of scruitiny placed on 
systemd is grossly disproportionate to features in previous releases. I 
can see why this is frustrating, but I think it's a necessary part of 
the development of the distribution. NetworkManager was a disruptive 
piece of core infrastructure that didn't initially provide feature 
parity with the nfrastructure it replaced, but NetworkManager was 
necessary to make Fedora a usable desktop operating system in a large 
number of use cases. In contrast, we're now at the point where we *have* 
most of the infrastructure to provide a usable desktop operating system. 
I think it's entirely justified that our tolerance for churn has 
diminished, and I think being a little more conservative with new 
features is entirely in line with modifying our udpate policy to ensure 
that users have a more consistent experience.

 This is a really unfriendly move: I cannot win a game where the moment the
 game nears it ends completely new rules are created. Quite frankly, this
 is a recipe to piss people off, not to make people love developing for
 Fedora. Yes, I am very disappointed, Fedora. 
 
 It's also nice to not even bother to ping me for the FESCO
 discussion. This all reads like a page from the book How to piss people
 off and scare them away in 7 days. You make up new rules, and then
 don't bother to invite the folks mostky affected when you apply them.
 
 Oh, and next time, if you guys plan a move like that, then please do it
 a couple of weeks earlier, so that I can find funnier things to do then
 make you folks happy, since that's apparently not possible.

I absolutely agree with your criticism. We should do better, and I hope 
that in future we will.

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Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Ric Wheeler (rwhee...@redhat.com) said: 
 Can we use the firmware that they have for the existing broadcom wireless 
 driver?

'No' is what I've been told.

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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Mike Fedyk
2010/9/14 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com:
  On 09/15/2010 12:01 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:56 PM, James Laskajla...@redhat.com  wrote:
 Much like we introduced and communicated btrfs support in F-11, should
 we communicate systemd as a technology preview in Fedora 14?
 I would agree with this.  I certainly plan to run F14 with systemd in
 anticipation of seeing it become the default at some point.


 Should gnome-shell and every other feature fall under technology
 preview and stay like that for sometime as well before becoming the
 default


Yes, and please compile out support for spacial gnome while you're at it.
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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Máirín Duffy (du...@fedoraproject.org) said: 
 Only 5 of the 9 FESCo members voted on this issue. If all 9 had voted,
 even with the current 3 for / 2 against vote, systemd could easily have
 enough votes for inclusion in F14. I have a couple of questions for you,
 FESCo, since I honestly don't know and maybe would feel more comfortable
 knowing:
 
 - Has there been any consideration for formalizing the acceptable of
 absentee votes?

We have accepted absentee votes either sent to the FESCo list or noted
in the ticket before the meeting; in fact, noting votes in meeting item
tickets is the de-facto method of participating for members who can't
make it.

 - How many members must be present at a meeting for a voting decision to
 be considered valid?

5 out of 9 is considered quorum for the meeting, and 5 out of 9 is also
required for decisions.

 - Is it possible to collect the votes of the folks who were not present?

We could poll them. But the ticket has been open for ~1 week for them to
note their opinion; none of the not-present FESCo members have commented
to this point.

 Again, either way the decision goes - fine. It would be nice to hear
 from the FESCo members not present on how they feel about the decision,
 though.
 
 Is anyone else feeling a little uncomfortable about the voting process,
 irregardless of its conclusion?

I said as much during the meeting.

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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
 On 09/15/2010 05:50 AM, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
 2010/9/15 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com:
 Should gnome-shell (..) becoming the
 default
 I hope that there will be the option to disable this default and
 return to classical gnome desktop

Yes. GNOME Panel will be available as a fallback for the foreseeable
future even if GNOME Shell is included. That has been the plan from the
start based on the fact that not all drivers/hardware support the
features GNOME Shell needs. GNOME Shell is also different from systemd
in the sense that it affects every single user of Fedora and deserves a
closer scrutiny. FWIW, I think GNOME Shell deserves extensive testing
before made as default as well. FESCo's handling of systemd feature as a
process has gaps that needs to be fixed as well. Nevertheless, I would
like to thank Lennart for his extensive work on getting systemd where it
is now in such a short period and Matthew Miller for playing the role of
a very constructive critic and following up on bugs methodologically.

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Revisor and live_ram

2010-09-14 Thread Trever Fischer
Excuse me if this is the wrong place to send this.

As my fedora ambassador duties, I tend to show other students the neat
things you can do with Fedora with my trusty USB drive I always keep on my
keychain. More often than not, I'm booting up Fedora into some laptop or
university desktop with copious quantities of ram (more than 2G, commonly
4 or more). Also more often than not, I've edited the boot options when it
starts up to add the 'live_ram' flag which copies the image into RAM and
permits me to unplug the USB drive so I'm not late for class while they
explore.

I've longed for an option in the stock boot menu to expose this seemingly
hidden magic to the general public, so I wrote a tiny patch for
python-imgcreate (which is used by revisor). It adds one new option to the
isolinux boot menu, labeled Boot and run from RAM.

I've tested it by re-spinning the KDE spin and the custom one I use for
day-to-day use on my usb drive. Flawless victory.

8
diff --git a/imgcreate/live.py b/imgcreate/live.py
index fcb7198..7cfd14c 100644
--- a/imgcreate/live.py
+++ b/imgcreate/live.py
@@ -518,6 +518,17 @@ menu hiddenrow 5
 cfg += self.__get_image_stanza(is_xen, isDracut,
fslabel = self.fslabel,
isofstype = auto,
+   liveargs = kern_opts + 
live_ram,
+   long = long +  and run from
RAM,
+   short = linux-ram + index,
+   basicvideo = ,
+   xdriver = ,
+   extra = ,
+   index = index)
+
+cfg += self.__get_image_stanza(is_xen, isDracut,
+   fslabel = self.fslabel,
+   isofstype = auto,
liveargs = kern_opts,
long = long +  (Basic Video),
short = linux + index,
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[Bug 633736] New: perl-ORLite-1.45 is available

2010-09-14 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: perl-ORLite-1.45 is available

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=633736

   Summary: perl-ORLite-1.45 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-ORLite
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Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 1.45
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 1.44
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/ORLite/

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[Bug 633738] New: perl-PAR-1.002 is available

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Summary: perl-PAR-1.002 is available

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   Summary: perl-PAR-1.002 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-PAR
AssignedTo: mmasl...@redhat.com
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Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 1.002
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 1.000
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/PAR/

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[Bug 633720] New: perl-Date-Manip-6.11 is available

2010-09-14 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: perl-Date-Manip-6.11 is available

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   Summary: perl-Date-Manip-6.11 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-Date-Manip
AssignedTo: mmasl...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
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Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 6.11
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 6.07
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Date-Manip/

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[Bug 633727] New: perl-File-ShareDir-PAR-0.06 is available

2010-09-14 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: perl-File-ShareDir-PAR-0.06 is available

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   Summary: perl-File-ShareDir-PAR-0.06 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-File-ShareDir-PAR
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Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 0.06
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.05
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/File-ShareDir-PAR/

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[Bug 633726] New: perl-File-ShareDir-1.02 is available

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   Summary: perl-File-ShareDir-1.02 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-File-ShareDir
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Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 1.02
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 1.00
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/File-ShareDir/

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[Bug 633734] New: perl-MooseX-CascadeClearing-0.03 is available

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Summary: perl-MooseX-CascadeClearing-0.03 is available

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   Summary: perl-MooseX-CascadeClearing-0.03 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-MooseX-CascadeClearing
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Latest upstream release: 0.03
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.02
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/MooseX-CascadeClearing/

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[Bug 633729] New: perl-HTML-FormatText-WithLinks-0.11 is available

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Summary: perl-HTML-FormatText-WithLinks-0.11 is available

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   Summary: perl-HTML-FormatText-WithLinks-0.11 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-HTML-FormatText-WithLinks
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Latest upstream release: 0.11
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.09
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[Bug 633744] New: perl-pip-1.18 is available

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Summary: perl-pip-1.18 is available

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   Summary: perl-pip-1.18 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-pip
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Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 1.18
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 1.16
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/pip/

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[Bug 633737] New: perl-Padre-0.70 is available

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Summary: perl-Padre-0.70 is available

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   Summary: perl-Padre-0.70 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-Padre
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Latest upstream release: 0.70
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.64
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Padre/

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[Bug 633751] New: perl-Test-Most-0.23 is available

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Summary: perl-Test-Most-0.23 is available

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   Summary: perl-Test-Most-0.23 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-Test-Most
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Latest upstream release: 0.23
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.21
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-Most/

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[Bug 633748] New: perl-PPIx-Regexp-0.010 is available

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Summary: perl-PPIx-Regexp-0.010 is available

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   Summary: perl-PPIx-Regexp-0.010 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-PPIx-Regexp
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Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 0.010
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.007
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/PPIx-Regexp/

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[Bug 633752] New: perl-Test-NeedsDisplay-1.07 is available

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Summary: perl-Test-NeedsDisplay-1.07 is available

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   Summary: perl-Test-NeedsDisplay-1.07 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-Test-NeedsDisplay
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ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
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Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 1.07
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 1.05
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-NeedsDisplay/

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[Bug 633721] New: perl-Devel-Dumpvar-1.06 is available

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Summary: perl-Devel-Dumpvar-1.06 is available

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   Summary: perl-Devel-Dumpvar-1.06 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-Devel-Dumpvar
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ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
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Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 1.06
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.04
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Devel-Dumpvar/

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[Bug 633733] New: perl-Module-Manifest-1.08 is available

2010-09-14 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: perl-Module-Manifest-1.08 is available

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   Summary: perl-Module-Manifest-1.08 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-Module-Manifest
AssignedTo: mmasl...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
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Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 1.08
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.07
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Module-Manifest/

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[Bug 633725] New: perl-File-Find-Rule-VCS-1.07 is available

2010-09-14 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: perl-File-Find-Rule-VCS-1.07 is available

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   Summary: perl-File-Find-Rule-VCS-1.07 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-File-Find-Rule-VCS
AssignedTo: mmasl...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
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Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 1.07
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 1.05
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/File-Find-Rule-VCS/

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[Bug 633724] New: perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.15 is available

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Summary: perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.15 is available

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   Summary: perl-ExtUtils-XSpp-0.15 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-ExtUtils-XSpp
AssignedTo: mmasl...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
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Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 0.15
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.12
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/ExtUtils-XSpp/

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[Bug 633740] New: perl-Parse-ErrorString-Perl-0.13 is available

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Summary: perl-Parse-ErrorString-Perl-0.13 is available

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   Summary: perl-Parse-ErrorString-Perl-0.13 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-Parse-ErrorString-Perl
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Latest upstream release: 0.13
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.11
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Parse-ErrorString-Perl/

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[Bug 633732] New: perl-Math-Symbolic-0.604 is available

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Summary: perl-Math-Symbolic-0.604 is available

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   Summary: perl-Math-Symbolic-0.604 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-Math-Symbolic
AssignedTo: mmasl...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
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Latest upstream release: 0.604
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.510
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Math-Symbolic/

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[Bug 633731] New: perl-JavaScript-Minifier-XS-0.08 is available

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Summary: perl-JavaScript-Minifier-XS-0.08 is available

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   Summary: perl-JavaScript-Minifier-XS-0.08 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-JavaScript-Minifier-XS
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ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
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Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 0.08
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.06
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/JavaScript-Minifier-XS/

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[Bug 633749] New: perl-Syntax-Highlight-Engine-Kate-0.06 is available

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Summary: perl-Syntax-Highlight-Engine-Kate-0.06 is available

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   Summary: perl-Syntax-Highlight-Engine-Kate-0.06 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-Syntax-Highlight-Engine-Kate
AssignedTo: mmasl...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
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Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 0.06
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.04
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Syntax-Highlight-Engine-Kate/

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[Bug 633745] New: perl-Pod-Abstract-0.20 is available

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Summary: perl-Pod-Abstract-0.20 is available

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=633745

   Summary: perl-Pod-Abstract-0.20 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-Pod-Abstract
AssignedTo: mmasl...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
 QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: fedora-perl-devel-l...@redhat.com, mmasl...@redhat.com
Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 0.20
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.17
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Pod-Abstract/

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[Bug 633754] New: perl-Text-FindIndent-0.09 is available

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Summary: perl-Text-FindIndent-0.09 is available

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=633754

   Summary: perl-Text-FindIndent-0.09 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-Text-FindIndent
AssignedTo: mmasl...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
 QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: fedora-perl-devel-l...@redhat.com, mmasl...@redhat.com
Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 0.09
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.06
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Text-FindIndent/

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[Bug 633739] New: perl-PAR-Packer-1.007 is available

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Summary: perl-PAR-Packer-1.007 is available

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=633739

   Summary: perl-PAR-Packer-1.007 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-PAR-Packer
AssignedTo: mmasl...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
 QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: fedora-perl-devel-l...@redhat.com, mmasl...@redhat.com
Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 1.007
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 1.005
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/PAR-Packer/

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[Bug 633756] New: perl-Text-Table-1.116 is available

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Summary: perl-Text-Table-1.116 is available

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=633756

   Summary: perl-Text-Table-1.116 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-Text-Table
AssignedTo: mmasl...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
 QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: fedora-perl-devel-l...@redhat.com, mmasl...@redhat.com
Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 1.116
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 1.114
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Text-Table/

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[Bug 633747] New: perl-POE-Filter-HTTP-Parser-1.04 is available

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Summary: perl-POE-Filter-HTTP-Parser-1.04 is available

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=633747

   Summary: perl-POE-Filter-HTTP-Parser-1.04 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-POE-Filter-HTTP-Parser
AssignedTo: ppi...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
 QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: fedora-perl-devel-l...@redhat.com,
mmasl...@redhat.com, ppi...@redhat.com
Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 1.04
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 1.02
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/POE-Filter-HTTP-Parser/

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[Bug 633757] New: perl-WebService-Validator-HTML-W3C-0.26 is available

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Summary: perl-WebService-Validator-HTML-W3C-0.26 is available

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=633757

   Summary: perl-WebService-Validator-HTML-W3C-0.26 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-WebService-Validator-HTML-W3C
AssignedTo: mmasl...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
 QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: fedora-perl-devel-l...@redhat.com, mmasl...@redhat.com
Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 0.26
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.24
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/WebService-Validator-HTML-W3C/

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[Bug 633750] New: perl-Syntax-Highlight-Perl6-0.86 is available

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Summary: perl-Syntax-Highlight-Perl6-0.86 is available

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=633750

   Summary: perl-Syntax-Highlight-Perl6-0.86 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-Syntax-Highlight-Perl6
AssignedTo: mmasl...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
 QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: fedora-perl-devel-l...@redhat.com, mmasl...@redhat.com
Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 0.86
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.78
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Syntax-Highlight-Perl6/

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[Bug 633753] New: perl-Text-Aligner-0.07 is available

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Summary: perl-Text-Aligner-0.07 is available

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   Summary: perl-Text-Aligner-0.07 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-Text-Aligner
AssignedTo: mmasl...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
 QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: fedora-perl-devel-l...@redhat.com, mmasl...@redhat.com
Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 0.07
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.03
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Text-Aligner/

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[Bug 633760] New: perl-XXX-0.17 is available

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Summary: perl-XXX-0.17 is available

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   Summary: perl-XXX-0.17 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: ASSIGNED
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: medium
  Priority: low
 Component: perl-XXX
AssignedTo: mmasl...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
 QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: fedora-perl-devel-l...@redhat.com, mmasl...@redhat.com
Classification: Fedora


Latest upstream release: 0.17
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.12
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/XXX/

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[Bug 633739] perl-PAR-Packer-1.007 is available

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[Bug 633738] perl-PAR-1.002 is available

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Petr Sabata psab...@redhat.com changed:

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[Bug 633746] perl-Pod-Coverage-0.21 is available

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Petr Sabata psab...@redhat.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||psab...@redhat.com
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