Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Brandon Lozza  wrote: el Fedora shouldn't include software it doesn't have the resources to maintain. Fedora doesn't have resources to fork it.  Not the same thing at all. Rahul

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: So according to you any free software with a trademark is non-free software?  Good luck getting anyone including FSF to agree with that interpretation. Rahul I'm sure they will. Trademark restrictions violate one of the

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Brandon Lozza bran...@pwnage.ca wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: We have been through this before. If you take Fedora and modify it, you are not allowed to use the Fedora name either. Trademark cannot be ever

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Florent Le Coz
On 04/10/10 14:52, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Trademark cannot be ever free as in freedom. That's why Fedora should not ship Firefox, but Iceweasel, or Icecat, or Minefield, or anything else that is not trademarked and isn't impossible to patch without mozilla's consent. -- Florent Le Coz --

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: We have been through this before.  If you take Fedora and modify it, you are not allowed to use the Fedora name either.  Trademark cannot be ever free as in freedom. Rahul Exactly the point I brought up Rahul, thanks

update-mime-database errors: /usr/share/mime/packages/openoffice.org.xml:749: parser error - when updating Fedora 14 packages

2010-10-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
The errors below happen several times during the yum update. Assuming that they must be generated by RPM %post scripts, I had a look at the affected packages (control-center, evolution-data-server, cheese, seahorse) and I suspect it's a problem with the update-mime-database command. Rich.

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Martin Stransky
On 10/04/2010 10:24 AM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: Anyway, the situation is worser then people believe, because no matter how many maintainers MoFo apps have in Fedora - they just can't fix bugs and close tickets, even ones with clean and sane patches attached. Unfortunately you forget to attach

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Brandon Lozza bran...@pwnage.ca wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: It would be really helpful if instead of calling programs unmaintainable and similar non-sense you would research a bit what really is the problem ... take

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Matej Cepl
Peter Lemenkov, Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:22:24 +0400: Unfortunately you're talking (and the rest Fedora Mozilla team) about BTW, just as a way of clarification, my rant was not targeted specifically at you, but everybody (and it is currently a big fashion) ranting against “proprietary” MoFo. No

Re: Arithmetic coding in Fedora libjpeg (bug #639531)

2010-10-04 Thread Adam Tkac
On Sun, Oct 03, 2010 at 01:52:28PM +0530, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: Hi all In reply to Gregory Maxwell: It's well known around the Internet that to achieve compatibility you should be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept. Applied to JPEG: Use only Huffman coding

Re: docbook and glibc breakage [STILL BREAKING EVERYTHING]

2010-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
On 04/10/10 09:59, Richard Hughes wrote: On 27 September 2010 20:31, Richard Hugheshughsi...@gmail.com wrote: Right, but you could argue it's a regression as the behavior changed. Could somebody please fix docbook-utils, otherwise all the GNOME koji builds are going to fail. All my F14

Re: docbook and glibc breakage [STILL BREAKING EVERYTHING]

2010-10-04 Thread Rex Dieter
Richard Hughes wrote: On 27 September 2010 20:31, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: Right, but you could argue it's a regression as the behavior changed. Could somebody please fix docbook-utils, otherwise all the GNOME koji builds are going to fail. All my F14 builds are still

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: It would be really helpful if instead of calling programs unmaintainable and similar non-sense you would research a bit what really is the problem ... take a look at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/

rawhide report: 20101004 changes

2010-10-04 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon Oct 4 08:15:25 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- almanah-0.7.3-3.fc14.x86_64 requires libedataserverui-1.2.so.10()(64bit) antlr3-python-3.1.2-7.fc14.noarch requires python(abi) = 0:2.6

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: However, Mozilla says that distributing a modified product with their name violates Trademark law. We have been through this before. If you take Fedora and modify it, you are not allowed to use the Fedora name either. Trademark cannot

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 09:23 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: So according to you any free software with a trademark is non-free software? Good luck getting anyone including FSF to agree with that interpretation. Rahul

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 10/04/2010 06:50 PM, Florent Le Coz wrote: On 04/10/10 14:52, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Trademark cannot be ever free as in freedom. That's why Fedora should not ship Firefox, but Iceweasel, or Icecat, or Minefield, or anything else that is not trademarked and isn't impossible to patch

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: el https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora shouldn't include software it doesn't have the resources to maintain. Fedora doesn't have resources to fork it. Not the same thing at all. Rahul -- devel mailing list

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:  On 10/04/2010 06:53 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: So according to you any free software with a trademark is non-free software?  Good luck getting anyone including FSF to

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:  On 10/04/2010 06:53 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: So according to you any free software with a trademark is non-free software?  Good luck getting anyone including FSF to

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2010/10/4 Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com: Peter Lemenkov, Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:24:00 +0400: So no excuse here, please - just allow us fixing bugs. There is absolutely no permission required. Unfortunately you're talking (and the rest Fedora Mozilla team) about different task - you're talking

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Brandon Lozza  wrote: GNU Icecat doesn't tell you something? You said you are going to ask FSF.  How about you just ask them if the presence of a trademark is enough to call software

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 10/04/2010 06:53 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: So according to you any free software with a trademark is non-free software? Good luck getting anyone including FSF to agree with that interpretation. Rahul I'm sure they will. Trademark

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: No need to call it “political reasons” (on the side of MoFo) ... nowhere in the definition of free software is written, that upstream has to accept your patches. It may happen upstream (any upstream) disagrees with your patch,

Evolution-data-server update to 2.91.1 in rawhide

2010-10-04 Thread Milan Crha
Hi, the new release of evolution-data-server 2.91.1 contains API backward incompatible changes in Camel, thus packages using it might need adoption. Changes were announced at [1], and even I believe upstream will take care of these changes, I would like to help with adoption on modules

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Martin Stransky
On 09/30/2010 08:54 PM, Sven Lankes wrote: 2. The combination of the Mozilla Trademark issue combined with the strict handling of patches by (corporate|distro)-maintainers (I don't think that this is a RH/Fedora issue - same with Canonical/Ubuntu) makes me feel uneasy about ff

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: GNU Icecat doesn't tell you something? You said you are going to ask FSF. How about you just ask them if the presence of a trademark is enough to call software non-free and come back. Icecat was forked for other reasons (ie) for plugins.

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Martin Stransky wrote: Right now, we are in process to redirect firefox/thunderbird crashes directly to mozilla crash database (http://crash-stats.mozilla.com) which is handled by mozilla guys, instead of our bugzilla, so they can help us with all Fedora Firefox/Thunderbird crashes. And you

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Matej Cepl
Peter Lemenkov, Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:24:00 +0400: In fact the backlog for Mozilla-related packages is even bigger, because (due to the fact that MoFo products are unmaintainable at all) many of them were closed automatically with new Fedora releases. It would be really helpful if instead of

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:  On 10/04/2010 06:50 PM, Florent Le Coz wrote:   On 04/10/10 14:52, Rahul Sundaram wrote:  Trademark cannot be ever free as in freedom. That's why Fedora should not ship Firefox, but Iceweasel, or Icecat, or Minefield,

Re: LibreOffice

2010-10-04 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 23:33 +0200, Mathieu Bridon wrote: On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 22:14 +0530, Ankur Sinha wrote: On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 15:21 +0100, Paul F. Johnson wrote: I have no problems helping package this behemoth! +1 : I can help out too. Given that the Fedora OOo maintainer [1]

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2010/10/4 Martin Stransky stran...@redhat.com: FIXED UPSTREAM is a correct resolution for the bug, and it has been fixed by upstream and came to F13 in firefox 3.6.x. That's an absolutely great tactics to deal with bug reports! And that's why I call proprietary Mozilla software as

Re: docbook and glibc breakage [STILL BREAKING EVERYTHING]

2010-10-04 Thread Jaroslav Skarvada
To clear the confusion, there is no change in the RE syntax in grep-2.7. The old grep silently interprets all these REs the way that probably nobody intended to, e.g. The [:space:] match: ac:eps You can force grep-2.7 to silently process it (above mentioned way, same as with older

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2010/10/4 Martin Stransky stran...@redhat.com: Please look at this list: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDcomponent=firefoxproduct=Fedoraclassification=Fedora

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2010/10/4 Martin Stransky stran...@redhat.com: On 10/04/2010 10:24 AM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: Anyway, the situation is worser then people believe, because no matter how many maintainers MoFo apps have in Fedora - they just can't fix bugs and close tickets, even ones with clean and sane patches

File Date-Manip-6.12.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by psabata

2010-10-04 Thread Petr Sabata
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Date-Manip: 5dde75671b3defd6429c0407ff85e3b1 Date-Manip-6.12.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: update-mime-database errors: /usr/share/mime/packages/openoffice.org.xml:749: parser error - when updating Fedora 14 packages

2010-10-04 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Montag, den 04.10.2010, 11:58 +0100 schrieb Richard W.M. Jones: The errors below happen several times during the yum update. Assuming that they must be generated by RPM %post scripts, I had a look at the affected packages (control-center, evolution-data-server, cheese, seahorse) and I

[Bug 639562] perl-Text-CSV_XS-0.74 is available

2010-10-04 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=639562 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

[perl-Date-Manip] New version, v6.12

2010-10-04 Thread Petr Sabata
commit dbcec327d884084adf53375f62e429f7fdaca8a2 Author: Petr Sabata psab...@redhat.com Date: Mon Oct 4 13:51:15 2010 +0200 New version, v6.12 .gitignore |1 + perl-Date-Manip.spec |5 - sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Florent Le Coz lo...@louiz.org wrote:  On 04/10/10 15:23, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Ignoring upstream and patching without consent is only feasible if you have the amount of resources to do a good job with that.  Fedora doesn't have that. Rahul I'm not talking

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 10/04/2010 03:34 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Rahul Sundarammethe...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/04/2010 06:53 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: So according to you any free software with a trademark is non-free

Re: update-mime-database errors: /usr/share/mime/packages/openoffice.org.xml:749: parser error - when updating Fedora 14 packages

2010-10-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 01:54:55PM +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: Am Montag, den 04.10.2010, 11:58 +0100 schrieb Richard W.M. Jones: The errors below happen several times during the yum update. Assuming that they must be generated by RPM %post scripts, I had a look at the affected

[Bug 639559] perl-Date-Manip-6.12 is available

2010-10-04 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=639559 Petr Sabata psab...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

Re: systemd and network service

2010-10-04 Thread Patrick MONNERAT
On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 14:37 +0200, Michal Schmidt wrote: On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:04:00 +0200 Patrick MONNERAT wrote: Until now (with upstart), my rawhide system started the network service but not the NetworkManager service. With systemd, neither of these are started by default. You may

[perl-Net-SSH-Perl] Created tag perl-Net-SSH-Perl-1.34-8.fc15

2010-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Net-SSH-Perl-1.34-8.fc15' was created pointing to: aabdbf4... Use hunspell back-end for spell check test -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Math-GMP] Created tag perl-Math-GMP-2.06-5.fc15

2010-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Math-GMP-2.06-5.fc15' was created pointing to: 4f8e760... Use hunspell dictionary for spell check test -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn denni...@conversis.de wrote: On 10/04/2010 03:34 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Rahul Sundarammethe...@gmail.com  wrote:   On 10/04/2010 06:53 PM, Brandon Lozza wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Rahul

F-14 Branched report: 20101004 changes

2010-10-04 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Mon Oct 4 13:15:36 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- almanah-0.7.3-3.fc14.x86_64 requires libedataserverui-1.2.so.10()(64bit) antlr3-python-3.1.2-7.fc14.noarch requires python(abi) = 0:2.6

[Bug 636518] JSON-XS-2.3 bump

2010-10-04 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=636518 --- Comment #1 from Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com 2010-10-04 11:14:23 EDT --- Created attachment 451425 --

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Brandon Lozza  wrote: That's what i've been saying all day. It's only free software if you change the name, in which case you may loose brand recognition. Imagine if Linus forbid

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread drago01
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Brandon Lozza bran...@pwnage.ca wrote: Imagine if Linus forbid people from calling their OS Linux if they didn't use the binaries provided by him. As the trademark owner it is his right to do so, but that alone does not make Linux unfree. You are confusing

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread drago01
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Brandon Lozza bran...@pwnage.ca wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Brandon Lozza  wrote: That's what i've been saying all day. It's only free software if you change the name, in

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Michal Schmidt
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:24:30 -0400 Brandon Lozza wrote: Firefox doesn't just include source code. It includes intellectual property with specific restrictions on what you're allowed to do with it. Did you use the term intellectual property in your query to Richard too? :-)

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Michal Schmidt mschm...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:24:30 -0400 Brandon Lozza wrote: Firefox doesn't just include source code. It includes intellectual property with specific restrictions on what you're allowed to do with it. Did you use the term

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Brandon Lozza wrote: Let's say I recompile Firefox and make a bunch of my own changes and REFUSE to change the name. How long do you think it'll take for Mozilla's lawyers to start threatening me with trademark lawsuits? In that case, Red Hat lawyers should be visiting you soon. Fedora is a

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 11:35 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Michal Schmidt mschm...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:24:30 -0400 Brandon Lozza wrote: Firefox doesn't just include source code. It includes intellectual property with specific restrictions on

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: Brandon Lozza wrote: Let's say I recompile Firefox and make a bunch of my own changes and REFUSE to change the name. How long do you think it'll take for Mozilla's lawyers to start threatening me with trademark

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Peter Jones
On 10/04/2010 11:35 AM, Brandon Lozza wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Michal Schmidt mschm...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:24:30 -0400 Brandon Lozza wrote: Firefox doesn't just include source code. It includes intellectual property with specific restrictions on what you're

Re: docbook and glibc breakage [STILL BREAKING EVERYTHING]

2010-10-04 Thread Richard Hughes
On 4 October 2010 11:32, Jaroslav Skarvada jskar...@redhat.com wrote: You can force grep-2.7 to silently process it (above mentioned way, same as with older greps) by setting POSIXLY_CORRECT environment variable. But all such REs are probably typos Dude, that's so not the point. I have a f14

Re: docbook and glibc breakage [STILL BREAKING EVERYTHING]

2010-10-04 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 04:30 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: I've tagged docbook-utils-0.6.14-25.fc14 (the update reportedly fixing this) for the buildroot. Please try your builds now. f14-build should appear in the Tags line here, right? https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=197223

Re: docbook and glibc breakage [STILL BREAKING EVERYTHING]

2010-10-04 Thread Rex Dieter
Matt McCutchen wrote: On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 04:30 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: I've tagged docbook-utils-0.6.14-25.fc14 (the update reportedly fixing this) for the buildroot. Please try your builds now. f14-build should appear in the Tags line here, right?

Re: Fedora and webserver dependency

2010-10-04 Thread Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus)
04.10.2010 14:49, Jan Kaluza wrote: Hi, there are over 100 packages which Require: httpd and it looks they are preconfigured only for httpd. However, Fedora contains more webservers than apache (httpd) and it's currently impossible (as far as I know) to install for example php

[389-devel] Followup on crash

2010-10-04 Thread Gary Morris
Hi guys.. so far since the fix things have been mostly stable. However, sometimes in the evening things when things are very quiet, i'm getting a crash, and i come in the next morning and ds is down. This is just an heads up. Unless there is a known issue and something I should try, I'm going

Re: [389-devel] Followup on crash

2010-10-04 Thread Rich Megginson
Gary Morris wrote: Hi guys.. so far since the fix things have been mostly stable. However, sometimes in the evening things when things are very quiet, i'm getting a crash, and i come in the next morning and ds is down. This is just an heads up. Unless there is a known issue and

Re: Making Fedora work with laptops on docking station with external monitor

2010-10-04 Thread Orion Poplawski
I've been trying unsuccessfully for a long to time to try to get this discussion started. Perhaps this just isn't right place? If not, where? -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA/CoRA DivisionFAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane

ldd regression in F14B

2010-10-04 Thread Alberto Bertogli
Hi! I installed F14B on a 64-bit VM (kvm) to give it a try, and see if some projects worked fine on it. One didn't, and while debugging the issue, I found what I believe is a regression in ldd. That is, it used to work on F13, but now it doesn't. I asked on #fedora if I should file a bug and

Re: ldd regression in F14B

2010-10-04 Thread Peter Jones
On 10/04/2010 01:01 PM, Alberto Bertogli wrote: Do you have any idea what may be causing this? Do you get the same problem if you invoke /usr/bin/ld.bfd instead of just ld? I'm guessing that you're hitting ld.gold by default and it's behaving slightly differently than the old binutils linker

Re: ldd regression in F14B

2010-10-04 Thread Alberto Bertogli
On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 01:48:53PM -0400, Peter Jones wrote: On 10/04/2010 01:01 PM, Alberto Bertogli wrote: Do you have any idea what may be causing this? Do you get the same problem if you invoke /usr/bin/ld.bfd instead of just ld? Yes. $ ld -o libccheck.so -lc -shared ldd

Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-10-05)

2010-10-04 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 19:30UTC (3:30pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. = Followups = #topic Updates policy #351 Create a policy for updates - status report on implementation https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/351

Re: ldd regression in F14B

2010-10-04 Thread Roland McGrath
File a glibc bug. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

process to use when missed a patch addition

2010-10-04 Thread David Timms
Hi, new to git, and while following the conversion guide [1], I missed the fact that I had added a new patch, but not added it to git. So the build failed. I have now: git add x.patch I'm not sure what is correct procedure to attempt rebuild with the included patch: 1. fedpkg commit -p 2. fedpkg

Re: process to use when missed a patch addition

2010-10-04 Thread Jon Ciesla
David Timms wrote: Hi, new to git, and while following the conversion guide [1], I missed the fact that I had added a new patch, but not added it to git. So the build failed. I have now: git add x.patch I'm not sure what is correct procedure to attempt rebuild with the included patch: 1.

quick reminders on release blocker process

2010-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
Hi, folks. I thought this mail might be helpful just to remind developers / packagers of a few points regarding the release freeze process and release blockers. We start the process of designating and monitoring release blockers quite a while before final freeze. What that means is that, right

Re: Fedora and webserver dependency

2010-10-04 Thread Radek Vokál
Dne 4.10.2010 18:29, Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus) napsal(a): 04.10.2010 14:49, Jan Kaluza wrote: Hi, there are over 100 packages which Require: httpd and it looks they are preconfigured only for httpd. However, Fedora contains more webservers than apache (httpd) and it's currently

Re: ldd regression in F14B

2010-10-04 Thread Alberto Bertogli
On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 12:48:20PM -0700, Roland McGrath wrote: File a glibc bug. Upstream or in Fedora's bugzilla? (or both?) Thanks, Alberto -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-04 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/03/2010 07:07 AM, Brandon Lozza wrote: On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Gerald Henriksen ghenr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 20:56:21 -0400, you wrote: Fedora is just going to end up having a million repos for all the software that

Re: Need proventester karma for firstboot-1.113-4.fc14 (was: Re: bodhi v0.7.9 deployed)

2010-10-04 Thread drago01
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 23:10 +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote: I think the moral of this story is that the input to the process is fallible. Shit always happens. Automated systems that filter or delay the 'happening' should

Re: F14 libgdl 2.31.x broken

2010-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 10:12 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 17:44:05 -0700, Jim wrote: Any application that uses libgdl on F14 segfaults on startup. Any? That would mean it would have been easy to test whether the update works at all, but either it has been marked

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 11:08 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: That's what i've been saying all day. It's only free software if you change the name, in which case you may loose brand recognition. Imagine if Linus forbid people from calling their OS Linux if they didn't use the binaries provided by

Re: Making Fedora work with laptops on docking station with external monitor

2010-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 10:48 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: I've been trying unsuccessfully for a long to time to try to get this discussion started. Perhaps this just isn't right place? If not, where? It's as good a place as any. The X and desktop developers are the people who can actually

Re: Need proventester karma for firstboot-1.113-4.fc14 (was: Re: bodhi v0.7.9 deployed)

2010-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 00:14 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 23:10 +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote: I think the moral of this story is that the input to the process is fallible. Shit always happens.

Re: ldd regression in F14B

2010-10-04 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Alberto Bertogli albert...@blitiri.com.ar wrote: On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 12:48:20PM -0700, Roland McGrath wrote: File a glibc bug. Upstream or in Fedora's bugzilla? (or both?) Upstream and link to upstream bug in fedora bug tracker. -- devel mailing list

Re: ldd regression in F14B

2010-10-04 Thread Roland McGrath
On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 12:48:20PM -0700, Roland McGrath wrote: File a glibc bug. Upstream or in Fedora's bugzilla? (or both?) Both doesn't hurt, but you can just file in Fedora and let the package maintainer handle escalating it. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Lookaside failure. Check your cert.

2010-10-04 Thread KaiGai Kohei
(2010/09/29 2:29), Dennis Gilmore wrote: On Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:13:49 am Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: Hello there, I'm having the following error with some of my packages (iverilog and perl-Verilog-Perl) since last week, even after updating my certs. $ fedpkg import

Re: ldd regression in F14B

2010-10-04 Thread Alberto Bertogli
On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 11:15:26PM +, Mike Fedyk wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Alberto Bertogli albert...@blitiri.com.ar wrote: On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 12:48:20PM -0700, Roland McGrath wrote: File a glibc bug. Upstream or in Fedora's bugzilla? (or both?) Upstream and

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/05/2010 12:37 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 11:08 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: That's what i've been saying all day. It's only free software if you change the name, in which case you may loose brand recognition. Imagine if Linus forbid people from calling their OS

Re: Making Fedora work with laptops on docking station with external monitor

2010-10-04 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 10/4/2010 4:40 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 10:48 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: I've been trying unsuccessfully for a long to time to try to get this discussion started. Perhaps this just isn't right place? If not, where? It's as good a place as any. The X and

[perl-Text-SpellChecker] Update to 0.08

2010-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
commit 4675315f369a8d7d439a5d617c86171c294e8297 Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Mon Sep 20 13:16:49 2010 +0100 Update to 0.08 New upstream release 0.08 - Test suite doesn't fail in absence of Text::Aspell Update testsuite patch .gitignore

[perl-Text-SpellChecker] Created tag perl-Text-SpellChecker-0.08-1.fc15

2010-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Text-SpellChecker-0.08-1.fc15' was created pointing to: 4675315... Update to 0.08 -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Text-SpellChecker] Update to 0.07 and use hunspell backend

2010-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
commit c7b01fd87bc8047dbdf05926ed90c14e7dab3379 Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Mon Sep 20 13:06:45 2010 +0100 Update to 0.07 and use hunspell backend New upstream release 0.07: - Use hunspell backend rather than aspell Add patch for Fedora dictionary locations

[Bug 357641] EL branches perl-Tk

2010-10-04 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=357641 --- Comment #6 from Mark Chappell trem...@tremble.org.uk 2010-10-04 03:48:14 EDT --- Xavier, it didn't branch because it was in

[perl-Text-SpellChecker] Created tag perl-Text-SpellChecker-0.08-1.fc12

2010-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Text-SpellChecker-0.08-1.fc12' was created pointing to: 08e2665... Merge remote branch 'origin/master' into f12/master -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[Bug 639523] missing dependency

2010-10-04 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=639523 Florian La Roche florian.laro...@gmx.net changed: What|Removed |Added

[perl-Text-CSV_XS] 0.74 bump

2010-10-04 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 7c35f445187eb11e4940124a4e914cc21f3ab1f6 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Mon Oct 4 13:47:00 2010 +0200 0.74 bump .gitignore|1 + perl-Text-CSV_XS.spec |5 - sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) --- diff

[perl-Math-GMP] Use hunspell dictionary for spell check test

2010-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
commit 4f8e760dba48f6998a6d4c8e45757e12a68780c3 Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Mon Oct 4 14:58:08 2010 +0100 Use hunspell dictionary for spell check test - Change BR: aspell-en to hunspell-en now that Text::SpellChecker uses a hunspell back-end

File Text-CSV_XS-0.74.tgz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2010-10-04 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Text-CSV_XS: c30ee0db913fcebc76d707203b905b74 Text-CSV_XS-0.74.tgz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Math-GMP/f14/master] Use hunspell dictionary for spell check test

2010-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
Summary of changes: 4f8e760... Use hunspell dictionary for spell check test (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Text-SpellChecker/f12/master: 9/9] Merge remote branch 'origin/master' into f12/master

2010-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
commit 08e2665dcc14e7d492f50d7f0f140d7b09777663 Merge: 0a2c8fe 4675315 Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Mon Oct 4 14:34:23 2010 +0100 Merge remote branch 'origin/master' into f12/master .gitignore |2 +- Text-SpellChecker-0.07-dictpath.patch |

[perl-Text-SpellChecker] Created tag perl-Text-SpellChecker-0.08-1.fc13

2010-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Text-SpellChecker-0.08-1.fc13' was created pointing to: 68fa8d9... Merge remote branch 'origin/master' into f13/master -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Text-SpellChecker] Created tag perl-Text-SpellChecker-0.08-1.fc14

2010-10-04 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Text-SpellChecker-0.08-1.fc14' was created pointing to: 4675315... Update to 0.08 -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

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