F-15 Branched report: 20110228 changes

2011-02-28 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Mon Feb 28 13:15:52 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- Io-language-extras-20080330-4.fc15.x86_64 requires libevent-1.4.so.2()(64bit) balsa-2.4.9-3.fc15.x86_64 requires libgtkhtml-3.15.so.19()(64bit)

Boards trac now open for ticket submissions

2011-02-28 Thread Christoph Wickert
Hi, there is a new way to contact the board now: Recently the board's trac instance was opened for ticket submissions by all FAS account holders. In order to bring something to the board's attention, just file a ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/board/newticket You'll need to login with your FAS

Re: gnome-disk-utility default in admin-tools

2011-02-28 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Montag, den 28.02.2011, 15:56 -0500 schrieb Bill Nottingham: > Christoph Wickert (christoph.wick...@googlemail.com) said: > > Next time you a change like this one, please announce it to the lists > > because it has a large impact on the spins. Even better: Ask *before* > > making this change. >

Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback

2011-02-28 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 02/27/2011 07:33 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:23:59 + > "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > >> Is it possible to get the rationality behind why those services which >> are permitted to be enabled by default as specific exceptions are >> granted that exception. > Well, I thin

Re: gnome-disk-utility default in admin-tools

2011-02-28 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Montag, den 28.02.2011, 15:59 -0500 schrieb Bill Nottingham: > Christoph Wickert (christoph.wick...@googlemail.com) said: > > While we are at it: I'd like to suggest that non-desktop groups like > > 'admin-tools' should be desktop-agnostic. > > g-d-u is the maintained replacement for s-c-lvm.

Re: F14 smartctl - unable to complete smart test

2011-02-28 Thread Michał Piotrowski
W dniu 28 lutego 2011 21:05 użytkownik Michał Piotrowski napisał: [..] > I switched SATA and power supply cables for this disc with cables from > disc that works fine and problem still persists. So either it's a > hardware problem associated with this disc (I eliminated other > hardware factors) o

Re: gnome-disk-utility default in admin-tools

2011-02-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Christoph Wickert (christoph.wick...@googlemail.com) said: > While we are at it: I'd like to suggest that non-desktop groups like > 'admin-tools' should be desktop-agnostic. g-d-u is the maintained replacement for s-c-lvm. If you'd prefer to use s-c-lvm, I'd suggest working with the upstream main

Re: gnome-disk-utility default in admin-tools

2011-02-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Christoph Wickert (christoph.wick...@googlemail.com) said: > Next time you a change like this one, please announce it to the lists > because it has a large impact on the spins. Even better: Ask *before* > making this change. I did. To the list and directly to your @fedoraproject.org inbox. HTH,

gnome-disk-utility default in admin-tools

2011-02-28 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Montag, den 07.02.2011, 19:49 + schrieb Bill Nottingham: > commit f2cb3971ffb2a53b9f0fdc536cdcc4f9c3a87876 > Author: Bill Nottingham > Date: Fri Jan 28 16:24:54 2011 -0500 > > Move system-config-* tools from base-x to appropriate desktops. > > In Admin tools, make s-c-networ

Re: Access rights for system logs

2011-02-28 Thread Matthias Runge
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/28/11 17:46, Steve Grubb wrote: > On Friday, February 25, 2011 03:13:31 am Matthias Runge wrote: >> - change systems logs owners from root:root mode 600 to root:adm mode >> 640 (or something similar) > > So, what would be the implementation of t

Re: F14 smartctl - unable to complete smart test

2011-02-28 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2011/2/28 J. Randall Owens : > On 02/27/2011 07:30 PM, J. Randall Owens wrote: >> On 02/27/2011 11:10 AM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> This can be a hardware problem - hard to say. For some reason on one >>> of the disks smart test is interrupted >>> >>> # 1  Extended offline    Interru

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-28 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 5:56 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > The fallback mode is supposed to "mimick" the gnome-shell behaviour, > within its limited abilities. You won't be able to move the applets, or > fiddle around with it. Think of it as a cut-down version of the shell. > > If you see things

Re: Plans for BTRFS in Fedora

2011-02-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/26/2011 05:33 PM, Lyos Gemini Norezel wrote: > This subvolume nonsense has no real place on any home computer/consumer > device. ... > Having more than 3 partitions on ANY system other than production > servers seems foolish at best. > > To have it as default on a modern operating system is

Re: Plans for BTRFS in Fedora

2011-02-28 Thread Josef Bacik
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Jon Masters wrote: > On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 17:33 -0500, Lyos Gemini Norezel wrote: >> On 02/23/2011 04:37 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> > >> > And I'd like to counter-counter-propose that we just stop using ANY kind of >> > subvolumes or volume management by default a

Re: Which fonts should be pulled in by desktop environments as dependencies?!

2011-02-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Hedayat Vatankhah (hedayat@gmail.com) said: > Is it possible to depend on a group instead of a package at all? No. Bill -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Plans for BTRFS in Fedora

2011-02-28 Thread Jon Masters
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 17:33 -0500, Lyos Gemini Norezel wrote: > On 02/23/2011 04:37 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > > And I'd like to counter-counter-propose that we just stop using ANY kind of > > subvolumes or volume management by default and just default to plain old > > partitions. IMHO, LVM caus

Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback

2011-02-28 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 02:03:26PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 11:13:44PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 07:21:30PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > No, but it does mean that what you're proposing would involve adding > > > functionality to Anaco

Re: Access rights for system logs

2011-02-28 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 08:26:05PM +1030, Glen Turner wrote: > On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 23:20 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:30:43PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > > Were you thinking of just /var/log/messages? or all log files? > > > Or all syslog written files? or ? > >

Re: Access rights for system logs

2011-02-28 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 11:46:13AM -0500, Steve Grubb wrote: > On Friday, February 25, 2011 03:13:31 am Matthias Runge wrote: > > - change systems logs owners from root:root mode 600 to root:adm mode > > 640 (or something similar) > > So, what would be the implementation of this? How would logchec

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-28 Thread drago01
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2011-02-28 at 10:37 +0100, drago01 wrote: > >> > This bug only seems to address the overshooting issue but not the real >> > problem of the icon moving away from you mouse pointer. If the appearing >> > label or summary notification

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2011-02-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Cc: Bcc: Subject: Re: Orphaning Beagle Reply-To: In-Reply-To: Henrique Junior (henrique...@gmail.com) said: > Hi, just to let you know that I'm dropping Beagle. Sadly, the > development has officialy stopped[1] for quite some time and the Gnome > Project seems to be foccusing in Tracker. Giv

Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback

2011-02-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2011-02-28 at 11:53 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) said: > > Well, I think the rationale was "these are basic services that are > > required to bring the machine up into a gui and allow a user to login > > and be able to apply updates, etc" > > > > At least

Re: PolicyKit authentication agent changes

2011-02-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Christoph Wickert (christoph.wick...@googlemail.com) said: > > anything at all. > > Please try to look beyond the rim of your KDE teacup for a moment. What > about the DEs / WMs that do not provide a polkit agent? Shouldn't we > make things like virt-manager just work in *every* environment? >

Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback

2011-02-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) said: > Well, I think the rationale was "these are basic services that are > required to bring the machine up into a gui and allow a user to login > and be able to apply updates, etc" > > At least that was my thought. > > I wonder now if we couldn't use the critic

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2011-02-28 at 10:37 +0100, drago01 wrote: > > This bug only seems to address the overshooting issue but not the real > > problem of the icon moving away from you mouse pointer. If the appearing > > label or summary notification would be considered part of the clickable > > area for the ico

Re: Access rights for system logs

2011-02-28 Thread Steve Grubb
On Friday, February 25, 2011 03:13:31 am Matthias Runge wrote: > - change systems logs owners from root:root mode 600 to root:adm mode > 640 (or something similar) So, what would be the implementation of this? How would logcheck or any log reader work. Would they be setgid applications or would

[Test-Announce] L10N and I18N Installation Test Day Tomorrow

2011-02-28 Thread Igor Pires Soares
Greetings everyone! Remember that tomorrow we will host a Localization and Internationalization Installation Test Day [1]. This test day will focus on translations quality for Anaconda and i18n support during installation as well as some post install verification tests. Fell free to edit the wiki

Re: F15 Alpha impressions -> To Gnome 3 or not to 3 - that is the question

2011-02-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 02/28/2011 07:32 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: > This is a very valid point - the trail of complaints are largely gnome > issues (design, bugs whatever) > > What should we fedorans be discussing then ? There are a number of other changes in Fedora and many of them directly related to Fedora inte

Re: Minimal install option (was Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback)

2011-02-28 Thread Larry Vaden
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 3:21 AM, Andreas Schwab wrote: > Larry Vaden writes: > >>>From a recent default install of F14: >> >> ps auxw | wc -l >> 124 > > How many of those are kernel threads? I dunno but if you will suggest a mod to the CLI command I'll run it and report back. regards/va...@texo

[Bug 680893] perl-Padre-0.82 is available

2011-02-28 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680893 Marcela Mašláňová changed: What|Removed |Added -

Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback

2011-02-28 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 11:13:44PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 07:21:30PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > No, but it does mean that what you're proposing would involve adding > > functionality to Anaconda. The current situation is that the services > > that are started whe

Re: F15 Alpha impressions -> To Gnome 3 or not to 3 - that is the question

2011-02-28 Thread Genes MailLists
On 02/28/2011 01:46 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > These are all rather 'GNOME 3 impressions' than 'F15 Alpha impressions'. > It's probably going to help more to raise them on GNOME mailing lists, > or the Fedora desktop mailing list. Mangled Billy Shakespeare aside ... This is a very valid poi

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-28 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 10:06 -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: > On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 16:20 +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > > On 02/27/2011 03:55 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: > > > > > > When in a program (Evolution for example), it seems this is the only one > > > I see in the task window/panel or wh

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-28 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2011-02-28 at 10:46 +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On 02/28/2011 08:43 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 23:18 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > >> On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 23:03:02 +0100, drago01 wrote: > >> > Btw, I think the GNOME 3 roll-out in Fedora should be "all or

Re: Access rights for system logs

2011-02-28 Thread Glen Turner
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 23:20 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:30:43PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > Were you thinking of just /var/log/messages? or all log files? > > Or all syslog written files? or ? > > > > If you are talking all log files, I would suggest making this into

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-28 Thread drago01
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > On 02/27/2011 06:36 PM, drago01 wrote: > I used to be able to hover my mouse over the time and at least it would > tell me the date instead of having to click on it just to see it. I think the general problem here is

Re: Minimal install option (was Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback)

2011-02-28 Thread Andreas Schwab
Larry Vaden writes: >>From a recent default install of F14: > > ps auxw | wc -l > 124 How many of those are kernel threads? Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, sch...@redhat.com GPG Key fingerprint = D4E8 DBE3 3813 BB5D FA84 5EC7 45C6 250E 6F00 984E "And now for something completely different." --

Re: PolicyKit authentication agent changes

2011-02-28 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Saturday, February 26, 2011 04:15:38 pm Kevin Kofler wrote: > Christoph Wickert wrote: > > Please try to look beyond the rim of your KDE teacup for a moment. What > > about the DEs / WMs that do not provide a polkit agent? Shouldn't we > > make things like virt-manager just work in *every* envir

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-28 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 02/28/2011 08:43 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 23:18 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: >> On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 23:03:02 +0100, drago01 wrote: >> Btw, I think the GNOME 3 roll-out in Fedora should be "all or nothing", that means, no *competing* fallback mode that tries

Re: rawhide and LDAP

2011-02-28 Thread Sumit Bose
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 01:49:31AM -0500, Braden McDaniel wrote: > On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 08:18 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > I suspect you are using SSSD to handle LDAP logins. This was broken in > > rawhide yesterday because I pushed a new version of libldb that > > apparently broke ABI w