scorched3d needs a new owner

2011-06-17 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, I've not been able to give scorched3d the attention it deserves lately. Specifically it is lagging with upstream for a while now and really needs to be rebased to upstream latest. Is anyone willing to become a new (co)-maintainer for scorched3d and do the rebase? Regards, Hans -- devel m

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Evandro Giovanini
Em Sex, 2011-06-17 às 22:47 -0400, Scott Schmit escreveu: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:31:43AM -0300, Evandro Giovanini wrote: > > Em Sex, 2011-06-17 às 11:55 +0200, Ralf Corsepius escreveu: > > > Well, it's obvious to me Gnome 3 is trying to immitate W7, OS X and iOS, > > > but ... may-be you may

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Scott Schmit
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:31:43AM -0300, Evandro Giovanini wrote: > Em Sex, 2011-06-17 às 11:55 +0200, Ralf Corsepius escreveu: > > Well, it's obvious to me Gnome 3 is trying to immitate W7, OS X and iOS, > > but ... may-be you may want to think about why users are not using these > > and are us

What is a task? - was(Re: GNOME3 and au revoir)

2011-06-17 Thread Frederic Muller
On 06/18/2011 08:18 AM, Bernd Stramm wrote: >> One could rephrase your complaint as "I don't want to focus on my> > current task." > Actually one task can involve running 2 or 3 applications in parallel. Currently GNOME 3 doesn't handle switching from apps to apps (especially when you have let's

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Bernd Stramm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:46:46 -0300 Evandro Giovanini wrote: > Em Sex, 2011-06-17 às 15:21 -0400, Bernd Stramm escreveu: > > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:47:38 -0400 > > Casey Dahlin wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:32:12PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote: > > > > So Gnome Shell is not for a good

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-17 Thread Athmane Madjoudj
On 06/18/2011 12:23 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 12:06 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > >> So my guess would be to make kvm/qemu bigger.. make it work in Windows. > > Well, the clue's in the name: > > "KVM (for Kernel-based Virtual Machine)" > > I don't know any of the det

Re: The behaviour of systemctl.

2011-06-17 Thread Jesse Keating
On 6/17/11 3:06 PM, Aaron Sowry wrote: > No ship has sailed anywhere, because there are plenty of places > output can be sent en route to tty - 'watch' and 'egrep' are two > examples. Also, tty is not the only place people want to send > user-friendly input. What about files and printers? The apps

Re: Orphaning istanbul ahead of F-16.

2011-06-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:27 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:48:26AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Jeff Spaleta (jspal...@gmail.com) said: > > > If you want to pick up maintainership for istanbul let me know. I'm > > > going to be retiring this package in about a wee

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 12:06 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > So my guess would be to make kvm/qemu bigger.. make it work in Windows. Well, the clue's in the name: "KVM (for Kernel-based Virtual Machine)" I don't know any of the details of the implementation of KVM, but the fact that it's wr

Re: what key between Ctrl & Alt

2011-06-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 11:25 -0400, Steve Clark wrote: > > > 1-function keys grouped on left so that only fingers of one child's > > > (small) > > > hand are required to use any combination of function key simultaneously > > > with > > > any combination of shift key(s); readily usable purely by

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread 夜神 岩男
> Perhaps the Gnome3 way of thinking is that calling up an additional > application constitutes starting a new task in the work flow, so that > the big interruption happens anyway. I don't think that is a good > assumption for the design of a DE. This is the sort of criticism that grants a clear

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Evandro Giovanini
Em Sex, 2011-06-17 às 15:21 -0400, Bernd Stramm escreveu: > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:47:38 -0400 > Casey Dahlin wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:32:12PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote: > > > So Gnome Shell is not for a good many of the people who had been > > > using Gnome before that. > > > > >

Re: Proposal: retire bittorrent

2011-06-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 13:12 +0100, Paul Howarth wrote: > I believe Mandriva "solved" this problem by having transmission obsolete > bittorrent-gui and just shipping the console version. Yup. We did. Exactly nobody complained. :) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora

Re: The behaviour of systemctl.

2011-06-17 Thread Aaron Sowry
n Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:41:14PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: > As you point out, git-log and --help do this too. It's excellent. > Make it configurable if you must, but I'd be interested to think why > you think it's not always the useful thing to do. The reasons why it's not the useful thing t

Re: The behaviour of systemctl.

2011-06-17 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:16:35PM +0200, Aaron Sowry wrote: > Hello, > > I'd like to discuss the behaviour of systemctl. See RH bug 713567 > for context. To summarise: > > - 'systemctl --all' pages by default when the output is to tty. This > consumes 50-60+ lines of potentially bug-prone code,

Re: how to keep rpmbuild directory clean

2011-06-17 Thread José Matos
On Friday 17 June 2011 20:03:53 Maxim Burgerhout wrote: > You can embed rpm macros, like %name, in your .rpmmacros file. That > way, you can create a directory per package containing SPECS, RPMS, > SRPMS, etc. directories. I use it like this (out of the back of my > head) I use the same scheme but

Self Introduction

2011-06-17 Thread Khusro Jaleel
Hi there, I'm a Linux/Unix sysadmin who has been using all sorts of linux/unix variants since about 1998 now. I have previously made or tried to make some small contributions to the Banshee, Jokosher and KNode projects. These did not go very far, but I was glad to be able to help. I have been

[perl-Unix-Syslog] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-Mojolicious] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-Text-Iconv] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-Font-TTF] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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The behaviour of systemctl.

2011-06-17 Thread Aaron Sowry
Hello, I'd like to discuss the behaviour of systemctl. See RH bug 713567 for context. To summarise: - 'systemctl --all' pages by default when the output is to tty. This consumes 50-60+ lines of potentially bug-prone code, and irks the crap out of me as a system administrator. systemctl's juris

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Evandro Giovanini wrote: > Just curious, did you try any extensions when you played with GNOME 3? No. I gave it 2 minutes at most, so no time to try any extensions. ;-) Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/deve

Re: Laptop CPU overheating in Fedora, temperature +30 celsius higher than in Windows

2011-06-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 19:24 +0100, José Matos wrote: > so I think that the 365 here refers to the digital sound part. Nope, it's the graphics adapter. The audio device here is not actually your main sound card, but the video adapter's HDMI output; most modern video adapters are capable of HDMI ou

[perl-String-CRC32] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-HTML-SimpleParse] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-List-Compare] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-Lingua-EN-Numbers-Ordinate] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-Text-Template] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-Parallel-ForkManager] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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Re: how to keep rpmbuild directory clean

2011-06-17 Thread Marko Myllynen
Hi, >> And question is: how to keep my dir clean? :) Have you any method for >> this? > What works for me is 1) using the Fedora git setup for persistent > storage of the spec and patch storage, so that I don't depend on > anything in rpm's %_topdir, and 2) using (rpmbuild --rebuild > my.src.rpm),

Re: how to keep rpmbuild directory clean

2011-06-17 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2011/6/17 Jakub Jedelský : > And question is: how to keep my dir clean? :) Have you any method for > this? What works for me is 1) using the Fedora git setup for persistent storage of the spec and patch storage, so that I don't depend on anything in rpm's %_topdir, and 2) using (rpmbuild --rebuild

Re: how to keep rpmbuild directory clean

2011-06-17 Thread Maxim Burgerhout
It might very well work indeed, good point. It's one of those things that has been in my config files for quite some time and don't exactly know the history of anymore :-) On Jun 17, 2011 9:18 PM, "Jos Vos" wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 09:03:53PM +0200, Maxim Burgerhout wrote: > >> You can emb

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Bernd Stramm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:47:38 -0400 Casey Dahlin wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:32:12PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote: > > So Gnome Shell is not for a good many of the people who had been > > using Gnome before that. > > > > YES! I don't know why more people don't realize this: GNOME 2 was a >

Re: how to keep rpmbuild directory clean

2011-06-17 Thread Jos Vos
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 09:03:53PM +0200, Maxim Burgerhout wrote: > You can embed rpm macros, like %name, in your .rpmmacros file. That > way, you can create a directory per package containing SPECS, RPMS, > SRPMS, etc. directories. I use it like this (out of the back of my > head): > > %_topdir

Re: how to keep rpmbuild directory clean

2011-06-17 Thread Maxim Burgerhout
You can embed rpm macros, like %name, in your .rpmmacros file. That way, you can create a directory per package containing SPECS, RPMS, SRPMS, etc. directories. I use it like this (out of the back of my head): %_topdir /home/maxim/rpmbuild %_specdir /home/maxim/rpmbuild/%name/SPECS %_rpmdir /home/

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread David Malcolm
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 09:44 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 00:30 +0900, 夜神 岩男 wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 10:04 -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote: > > > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:33:18 +0900 > > > 夜神 岩男 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Considering the frequent calls of "Gnome 3 has fa

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Bernd Stramm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:41:21 -0600 Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:34, Bernd Stramm > wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:16:46 -0600 > > Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:02, Casey Dahlin > >> wrote: > >> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 01:05:08P

[perl-File-Inplace] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-Test-Tester] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-Perl6-Bible] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-NetPacket] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-String-ShellQuote] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-Module-Versions-Report] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-Text-German] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:32:12PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote: > So Gnome Shell is not for a good many of the people who had been using > Gnome before that. > YES! I don't know why more people don't realize this: GNOME 2 was a mediocre interface for a lot of people. It COULD NOT be a good interfac

[perl-Parse-CPAN-Meta] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-Text-FindIndent] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-Class-ISA] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-File-NFSLock] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-Proc-PID-File] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:34, Bernd Stramm wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:16:46 -0600 > Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:02, Casey Dahlin >> wrote: >> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 01:05:08PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote: >> >> >> >> I think it fails on #1: >> >> >> >> > Ma

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Bernd Stramm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:16:46 -0600 Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:02, Casey Dahlin > wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 01:05:08PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote: > >> > >> I think it fails on #1: > >> > >> > Makes it easy for users to focus on their current task and > >> >

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Bernd Stramm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:25:53 -0400 Casey Dahlin wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:12:54PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote: > > One could do that, but that would be an idiotic thing to do. So one > > doesn't. > > > > Its what you said. You explicitly want to divide your attention > between multiple

[perl-Net-IP-CMatch] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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Re: Orphaning istanbul ahead of F-16.

2011-06-17 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:48:26AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Jeff Spaleta (jspal...@gmail.com) said: > > If you want to pick up maintainership for istanbul let me know. I'm > > going to be retiring this package in about a week. > > What's the preferred screen recorder these days (outside o

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:12:54PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote: > One could do that, but that would be an idiotic thing to do. So one > doesn't. > Its what you said. You explicitly want to divide your attention between multiple tasks. GNOME shell is for people who don't want to do that. --CJD --

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Evandro Giovanini
Em Sex, 2011-06-17 às 19:33 +0200, Kevin Kofler escreveu: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > I wonder why you recommend solutions you can't even get used to. In > > terms of usability, it is not clear to me kickoff is doing a better job > > at all. It is a rather convoluted way of organizing menu items

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:02, Casey Dahlin wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 01:05:08PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote: >> >> I think it fails on #1: >> >> > Makes it easy for users to focus on their current task and reduces >> > distraction and interruption >> >> First, this point assumes that there i

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Bernd Stramm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:02:14 -0400 Casey Dahlin wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 01:05:08PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote: > > > > I think it fails on #1: > > > > > Makes it easy for users to focus on their current task and reduces > > > distraction and interruption > > > > First, this point assu

Re: how to keep rpmbuild directory clean

2011-06-17 Thread Jos Vos
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:57:37PM +0200, Jakub Jedelský wrote: > I've made some rpm packages (a special build for me or for company) > from time to time but recently I have a little problem with my > rpmbuild directory. There are a lot of different patches and sources > in SOURCES, SRPMS and SPEC

Re: how to keep rpmbuild directory clean

2011-06-17 Thread Evandro Giovanini
Em Sex, 2011-06-17 às 19:57 +0200, Jakub Jedelský escreveu: > Hi list! > > I've made some rpm packages (a special build for me or for company) > from time to time but recently I have a little problem with my > rpmbuild directory. There are a lot of different patches and sources > in SOURCES, SRPMS

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 16:59, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 18:37, Dave Jones wrote: >> I'm curious why virtualbox has gained so much inertia so quickly. >> Based solely on the number of kernel bug reports we get that seem to be >> related to it, I have almost zero confide

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Brian Wheeler
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 13:05 -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote: > It all looks very pretty though. Maybe someone can answer this... All of the fade and animation effects that a lot of the toolkits/desktops are using these days seem like they're making the responsiveness substantially worse. I'm not refe

/etc/bash_completion.d/ vs /usr/share/bash-completion/

2011-06-17 Thread Jesse Keating
Both seem to be in use by various packages. Which one is thought to be "correct"? Should this be in the guidelines somewhere? -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.

Re: how to keep rpmbuild directory clean

2011-06-17 Thread Richard Shaw
2011/6/17 Jakub Jedelský : > Hi list! > > I've made some rpm packages (a special build for me or for company) > from time to time but recently I have a little problem with my > rpmbuild directory. There are a lot of different patches and sources > in SOURCES, SRPMS and SPECS dirs. > And question is

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 01:05:08PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote: > > I think it fails on #1: > > > Makes it easy for users to focus on their current task and reduces > > distraction and interruption > > First, this point assumes that there is *one* current task. That is not > how I work. I have on

Re: what key between Ctrl & Alt (was: GNOME3 and au revoir...)

2011-06-17 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:05:59AM -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Jared K. Smith > wrote: > > It can be named... it's called the "Super" key.  Well, at least mine > > is super, as it has a Fedora logo on it :-) > > > That's a bad place for the Fedora logo... just l

how to keep rpmbuild directory clean

2011-06-17 Thread Jakub Jedelský
Hi list! I've made some rpm packages (a special build for me or for company) from time to time but recently I have a little problem with my rpmbuild directory. There are a lot of different patches and sources in SOURCES, SRPMS and SPECS dirs. And question is: how to keep my dir clean? :) Have you

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I wonder why you recommend solutions you can't even get used to. In > terms of usability, it is not clear to me kickoff is doing a better job > at all. It is a rather convoluted way of organizing menu items and I > had to switch it off and use the classic menu instead. I

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 19:09 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > You can also of course use wheel scroll, or the trackpad > > equivalent. > My netbook doesn't have any such device - Just a simple touchpad and 2 > buttons. No mouse, no wheel, no fancy buttons. The 'trackpad equivalent' is usually eit

Re: /dev/pts/ptmx SELinux label

2011-06-17 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/17/2011 12:42 PM, Jerry James wrote: > While trying to debug the Rawhide boot lockup on my i686 virtual > machine that has been discussed here recently, I've had to do a number > of SELinux relabels. Every single time, I see this one: > > reset

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:43, Adam Williamson wrote: >> Currently, when I open the giant application grid, I get oversized >> meaningless pictures (yes, oversized - to even see the grid I had to >> click on the "Applications" label, which is much smaller than the >> icons), > > Yeah, I don't like

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/17/2011 06:21 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 11:14 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> On 06/17/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >>> Adam Williamson wrote: This is a common misapprehension, but it's not true. The reason for the large icon grid is actually that the

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Domingo Becker wrote: > The shortest way is by using keyboard, as Rahul says: > > 1. Press the key between Ctrl and Alt. > 2. Type in what you search, at least the first letters. After that, > some icons are shown and you may use up and down arrow keys to select. >

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Bernd Stramm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:44:45 -0700 Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 00:30 +0900, 夜神 岩男 wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 10:04 -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote: > > > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:33:18 +0900 > > > 夜神 岩男 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Considering the frequent calls of "Gnome 3 has

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 00:30 +0900, 夜神 岩男 wrote: > On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 10:04 -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:33:18 +0900 > > 夜神 岩男 wrote: > > > > > > > Considering the frequent calls of "Gnome 3 has failed at its task" or > > > the "GUI has failed if the user must " ma

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 17:20 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 01:19 +0200, Henrik Wejdmark wrote: > > > >> My impression is that GNOME3 is trying to compete with Android and > >> FrontRow, > >> but have forgotten all o

/dev/pts/ptmx SELinux label

2011-06-17 Thread Jerry James
While trying to debug the Rawhide boot lockup on my i686 virtual machine that has been discussed here recently, I've had to do a number of SELinux relabels. Every single time, I see this one: reset /dev/pts/ptmx context system_u:object_r:devpts_t:s0->system_u:object_r:ptmx_t:s0 So restorecon dis

[perl-Sub-Identify] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 12:02 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > You can search for "bro" and among the results will be Nautilus and > > Firefox (hint: Gnome Shell also searches in the application description, > > and both are "bro"wsers). > > I can't believe real usability testing was done on th

[perl-YAML-Parser-Syck] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-Catalyst-Manual] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 11:14 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 06/17/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Adam Williamson wrote: > >> This is a common misapprehension, but it's not true. The reason for the > >> large icon grid is actually that the developers did real world user > >> research (yes,

Re: what key between Ctrl & Alt (was: GNOME3 and au revoir...)

2011-06-17 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2011/06/17 08:53 (GMT-0300) Domingo Becker composed: > >> The shortest way is by using keyboard, as Rahul says: > >> 1. Press the key between Ctrl and Alt. > > What key between Ctrl & Alt? You can also use Alt-F1. -- devel mailing list dev

[perl-Snowball-Swedish] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-Heap] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread 夜神 岩男
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 10:04 -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:33:18 +0900 > 夜神 岩男 wrote: > > > > Considering the frequent calls of "Gnome 3 has failed at its task" or > > the "GUI has failed if the user must " makes me wonder: Where is > > the task definition or specificati

[perl-Test-use-ok] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-Parse-Yapp] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-Cflow] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-CLASS] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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Re: what key between Ctrl & Alt

2011-06-17 Thread Steve Clark
On 06/17/2011 09:43 AM, Tomas Mraz wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 09:05 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: On 2011/06/17 08:53 (GMT-0300) Domingo Becker composed: The shortest way is by using keyboard, as Rahul says: 1. Press the key between Ctrl and Alt. What key between Ctrl& Alt? The last good[1] ke

[perl-Number-Format] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-MDV-Packdrakeng] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-NOCpulse-Utils] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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