Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 23:58:03 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: I really hope this is rejected. As already discussed in the relevant thread, it would add bloat to the live images which would force us to drop useful software from the KDE spin to fit the size target. And for what gain? We Be awar

Re: redhat-rpm-config and rpm-build (fwd)

2012-06-16 Thread TASAKA Mamoru
Paul Wouters wrote, at 06/17/2012 09:46 AM +9:00: On Fri, 15 Jun 2012, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 06/15/2012 05:03 AM, Jens Petersen wrote: yum install rpm-build should install an rpmbuild version that works as expected for fedora. Currently, it does not because it is missing the dependancy on r

Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-16 Thread Ben Rosser
In Fedora 17, when you install grub2 and generate a fresh config file, that config is produced by grub2-mkconfig. However, when you install a kernel update, the kernel's entry is added to the grub2 boot menu by grubby. This produces messy grub boot menus. The entries added by grubby read something

Heads-up: Twisted-12.1.0 landing in rawhide

2012-06-16 Thread Julian Sikorski
Dear all, I have just submitted python-twisted* 12.1.0 builds for rawhide. Please check if everything still works as intended. Regards, Julian -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-16 Thread Jay Sulzberger
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jun 16, 2012, at 12:17 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: Why do we need to bring Microsoft into this, much less listen to, or communicate with them? Forget about them. Ahh, the Ostrich Maneuver. Had this been the policy of others working on this iss

Re: redhat-rpm-config and rpm-build (fwd)

2012-06-16 Thread Paul Wouters
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 06/15/2012 05:03 AM, Jens Petersen wrote: yum install rpm-build should install an rpmbuild version that works as expected for fedora. Currently, it does not because it is missing the dependancy on redhat-rpm-config. Well I tend to agree: it would

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-16 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > Calls for speculation. We know what the certification policy used to be. We > also know how long DOJ takes to do anything, let alone politicking behind the > scenes to arrive at compromise, let alone its day in court. Years. > Generations o

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-16 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jun 16, 2012, at 5:44 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > Or, perhaps, they would have found themselves behind the gun-sights of > the DOJ again and dropped the whole thing in order to avoid years of > costly antitrust litigation. (Or do you think they would have backed > off at all, just because so

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-16 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > Ahh, the Ostrich Maneuver. > > Had this been the policy of others working on this issue, Microsoft would > not have updated their Windows 8 certification to require the user be able > to disable Secure Boot. And then we'd all be in a significa

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-16 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jun 16, 2012, at 12:17 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: > > Why do we need to bring Microsoft into this, much less listen to, or > communicate with them? Forget about them. Ahh, the Ostrich Maneuver. Had this been the policy of others working on this issue, Microsoft would not have updated thei

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-16 Thread drago01
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> #topic ticket 868 F18 Feature: MiniDebugInfo - >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MiniDebugInfo >> .fesco 868 > > I really hope this is rejected. As already discussed in the relevant thread, > it would add bloat

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: > #topic ticket 868 F18 Feature: MiniDebugInfo - > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MiniDebugInfo > .fesco 868 I really hope this is rejected. As already discussed in the relevant thread, it would add bloat to the live images which would force us to drop useful software

LLVM [Was: julia language]

2012-06-16 Thread Andrew Haley
On 06/14/2012 10:17 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > I spent some time today trying to package up julia. It's pretty messy and > this is no where near complete (it still downloads packages and fails to > build > due to https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/issues/933), but thought I'd put it > out th

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-16 Thread Richard Vickery
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Jay Sulzberger wrote: > > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, drago01 wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Nicu Buculei >> wrote: >> > On 06/12/2012 12:58 PM, drago01 wrote: >> > >> >> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> The p

Re: Revelation password manager issue

2012-06-16 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Jun 15, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: >>> They are using PBKDF2 with SHA-256, default 500 rounds up to 100,000 >>> rounds. The database is locally encrypted. Offline access is possible. The >>> free version supports Google Authen

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-16 Thread Kushal Das
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Jochen Schmitt wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 05:15:53PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> #topic ticket 863 F18 Feature: Clojure - >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Clojure >> .fesco 863 > > I think Leiminger may be a better name for this feature. > the ai

Re: Fedora 17 ARM Release Candidate VFAD results - Follow up VFAD on Monday June 18th

2012-06-16 Thread Brendan Conoboy
On 06/15/2012 05:25 PM, Paul Whalen wrote: New images for RC2 are being created now! Due to the overwhelming success of today, we are holding another VFAD next week: Fedora 17 - RC2 image validation VFAD Monday June 18th - 12pm EDT #fedora-arm on Freenode If anybody wants to get a jump on Mond

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-16 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.06.2012 15:06, schrieb Ralf Ertzinger: > Hi. > > On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:57:30 +0200, Jochen Schmitt wrote > >> One of the most inportant advance of Linux over Windows is the >> fact, that there are only a few situations - like kernel updates - >> which requires a reboot of your system. >

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-16 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.06.2012 14:57, schrieb Jochen Schmitt: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 05:15:53PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> #topic ticket 869 F18 Feature: Offline Updates using systemd and >> packagekit - >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OfflineSystemUpdates >>> Owner >>> Name: Richard Hughes

Re: F16: Sandy Bridge -> lags, missing effects, ui-crashes

2012-06-16 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.06.2012 14:55, schrieb Roberto Ragusa: > On 05/29/2012 11:29 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> the follwoing params making things better and stop especially >> the lags most of the time, but on the same machine over a long >> time was set to "pcie_aspm=force" and all i915 option at 1 >> >> "pc

Re: ARM is a dead end

2012-06-16 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 06:42:45AM +0200, tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:57 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've been pointed to a news item about a (apparently the first) x86 (Atom) > > based smartphone: > > http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/orange-san-diego

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-16 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 16 juin 2012 à 14:57 +0200, Jochen Schmitt a écrit : > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 05:15:53PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > #topic ticket 869 F18 Feature: Offline Updates using systemd and > > packagekit - > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OfflineSystemUpdates > > .fesco 869 >

Re: Escalation - better desktop printing policy (over two years old issue)

2012-06-16 Thread valent.turko...@gmail.com
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Tim Waugh wrote: > On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 09:30 +0200, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: >> Hi, >> Fedora still has quite strict printing policies even if users choose >> to be a part of Administrator group during installation still need to >> input passwords while

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-16 Thread Ralf Ertzinger
Hi. On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:57:30 +0200, Jochen Schmitt wrote > One of the most inportant advance of Linux over Windows is the > fact, that there are only a few situations - like kernel updates - > which requires a reboot of your system. Linux has, in principle, the same problem as Windows, that

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-16 Thread Jochen Schmitt
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 05:15:53PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > #topic ticket 869 F18 Feature: Offline Updates using systemd and > packagekit - > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OfflineSystemUpdates > .fesco 869 The titel of this feature is a lttle misleading for me and the description of

Re: F16: Sandy Bridge -> lags, missing effects, ui-crashes

2012-06-16 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 05/29/2012 11:29 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > the follwoing params making things better and stop especially > the lags most of the time, but on the same machine over a long > time was set to "pcie_aspm=force" and all i915 option at 1 > > "pcie_aspm=off i915.i915_enable_rc6=0 i915.semaphores=0 >

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-16 Thread Jochen Schmitt
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 05:15:53PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > #topic ticket 863 F18 Feature: Clojure - > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Clojure > .fesco 863 I think Leiminger may be a better name for this feature. the aim of this feature is the introduction of Lieminger as an IDE for c