Re: Plans for anaconda LVM/RAID support

2012-10-07 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sun, Oct 07, 2012 at 07:57:24AM +0200, Jochen Schmitt wrote:

 The only workaround nowaday is to install Fedora without
 installing the bottloader. After the installation you have
 to boot from a rescue media and install the bootmanager
 after chroot to the root partitition in the LVM.

You're on the development list. Anaconda and grub are both written in 
widely understood programming languages, using features that are well 
documented. The appropraite thing to do is to engage with the developers 
and provide patches rather than talking about workarounds. People aren't 
failing to deal with installer issues because they're lazy, they're 
failing to deal with them because there aren't enough hours in the day 
for them to fix all of the issues that they're expected to handle. 
You're in a position to make things better, so why not do so?

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Re: Plans for anaconda LVM/RAID support

2012-10-07 Thread Milan Broz
On 10/07/2012 02:36 AM, Ian Pilcher wrote:
 I'm sure that this information is somewhere on the Fedora Wiki, but my
 search-fu apparently isn't up to the task of finding it.
 
 What are the plans for LVM and/or software RAID support?
 
 Currently (F18 Beta TC2), it seems to be impossible for those of us who
 have fully allocated our storage to either (or both) of these
 technologies to install Fedora 18 at all.

Seems disk encryption (LUKS) is impossible to configure in TC2 as well
(neither with LVM nor without LVM).
Usually the installer crashes when trying any custom change, which seems
to be known bug according to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Work_List

Actually, I though beta should be feature complete for testing
(ok, 2 days left still :-), did I miss some approved plan to remove extended
storage features (like iSCSI) and LVM, RAID and LUKS installation
from Fedora graphical installer support for F18?

Al it seems to head to write your kickstart script manually if you need such 
things.

It means F18 GUI installation will be completely unusable for people
requiring enterprise features but unable to write own kickstart themselves.

Milan
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Request to obtain the kadu package

2012-10-07 Thread Karol Trzcionka
Hello,
according to
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Orphaned_package_that_need_new_maintainers#Claiming_Ownership_of_a_Deprecated_Package
I want to get ownership of kadu package (I think the kadu should be in
fedora because of gadu-gadu popularity in Poland). ReReview Request is:
#863795
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Re: Any progress in Software Center in Fedora effort?

2012-10-07 Thread tim.laurid...@gmail.com
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Jiri Eischmann eischm...@redhat.com wrote:

 Hi,
 the possibility of Software Center in Fedora has already been discussed
 several times, last time a few month ago.
 I read an article about a successful Google Summer of Code project [1]
 whose goal was to make Software Center a distribution independent
 program using PackageKit.
 Matthias even made an Ubuntu-independent infrastructure for AppStream
 (additional data about packages/apps).
 I wonder if there are still any efforts to get it to Fedora and what it
 would require from our infrastructure.

 If I understand it correctly, there are currently three options:
 1) Software Center based on PackageKit by Matthias
 2) Light Software Center - a new app based on PackageKit from the
 beginning
 3) Apper already supports AppStream [2]

 I'm asking because I hear from many (not only) beginners that they would
 appreciate something like Ubuntu Software Center in Fedora. I guess it's
 one of the main reasons why many users rather go for Ubuntu than Fedora.

 Jiri

 [1] http://blog.tenstral.net/2012/08/gsoc-appstream-final-report.html
 [2] http://blog.tenstral.net/2012/08/appstream-for-apper.html

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The ultimate software center is a web application, like Google playstore.

All the rating and commenting and other info, need to be centrally
maintained and it is not a good idea to try to distribute this kind of
metadata.
There shall just be a local installer to install the packages triggered by
the web app.
Another thing is what the users of Fedora and most other linux'es is not my
old mother and most of these users, don't care about a big fancy software
shop.
So nobody is going to do this great amount of work it takes to make a great
webstore, Ubuntu need it for the same ways as Apple, they want to earn some
money.
It is an illusion that if we just have a fancy webstore, every body will
start using Fedora IMHO.
It will be nice if more people uses Fedora, but it not the main target, the
greatness of Fedora is not measured but how many user it have, compared to
other Linuxes or other os'es.

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Re: Any progress in Software Center in Fedora effort?

2012-10-07 Thread drago01
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 6:51 PM, tim.laurid...@gmail.com
tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Jiri Eischmann eischm...@redhat.com wrote:

 Hi,
 the possibility of Software Center in Fedora has already been discussed
 several times, last time a few month ago.
 I read an article about a successful Google Summer of Code project [1]
 whose goal was to make Software Center a distribution independent
 program using PackageKit.
 Matthias even made an Ubuntu-independent infrastructure for AppStream
 (additional data about packages/apps).
 I wonder if there are still any efforts to get it to Fedora and what it
 would require from our infrastructure.

 If I understand it correctly, there are currently three options:
 1) Software Center based on PackageKit by Matthias
 2) Light Software Center - a new app based on PackageKit from the
 beginning
 3) Apper already supports AppStream [2]

 I'm asking because I hear from many (not only) beginners that they would
 appreciate something like Ubuntu Software Center in Fedora. I guess it's
 one of the main reasons why many users rather go for Ubuntu than Fedora.

 Jiri

 [1] http://blog.tenstral.net/2012/08/gsoc-appstream-final-report.html
 [2] http://blog.tenstral.net/2012/08/appstream-for-apper.html

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 The ultimate software center is a web application, like Google playstore.

The google play store is not only a website.

 All the rating and commenting and other info, need to be centrally
 maintained and it is not a good idea to try to distribute this kind of
 metadata.

Why?

 There shall just be a local installer to install the packages triggered by
 the web app.

We already have this.

 Another thing is what the users of Fedora and most other linux'es is not my
 old mother and most of these users, don't care about a big fancy software
 shop.

Maybe maybe not. The point is that a fancy software shop would result
into this old mother type of user consider to use fedora.
A user ultimately don't care about packages but about applications.
Other distritors are moving in this direction while we fall behind.
We should lead here like we do in other areas.

 So nobody is going to do this great amount of work it takes to make a great
 webstore, Ubuntu need it for the same ways as Apple, they want to earn some
 money.

Earning money is not the point, having a good user experience is.

 It is an illusion that if we just have a fancy webstore, every body will
 start using Fedora IMHO.

Nobody said that.

 It will be nice if more people uses Fedora, but it not the main target, the
 greatness of Fedora is not measured but how many user it have, compared to
 other Linuxes or other os'es.

Well without users (and growth) it will become irrelevant and thus it
will become harder to achieve anything else.

As for people working on this Richard tried and got blocked by the
infrastructure people. (don't know the details though).
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Re: Any progress in Software Center in Fedora effort?

2012-10-07 Thread Antonio Trande

 The ultimate software center is a web application, like Google playstore.

 All the rating and commenting and other info, need to be centrally
 maintained and it is not a good idea to try to distribute this kind of
 metadata.
 There shall just be a local installer to install the packages triggered by
 the web app.
 Another thing is what the users of Fedora and most other linux'es is not
 my old mother and most of these users, don't care about a big fancy
 software shop.
 So nobody is going to do this great amount of work it takes to make a
 great webstore, Ubuntu need it for the same ways as Apple, they want to
 earn some money.
 It is an illusion that if we just have a fancy webstore, every body will
 start using Fedora IMHO.
 It will be nice if more people uses Fedora, but it not the main target,
 the greatness of Fedora is not measured but how many user it have, compared
 to other Linuxes or other os'es.

 Tim


Amen


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Re: Anyone have any idea why apps are starting to search /proc/sys/vm?

2012-10-07 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler

dwalsh writes:

 [only the $subject]

# stap -e 'probe syscall.open { 
  if(substr(filename,0,5) == /proc) { 
 println(pid(),  , execname(),  , filename) 
 print_ubacktrace()
  } }' -d /usr/lib*/libc-*.so

(Repeat with more -d /usr/bin/foo as stap advises.)

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Re: Any progress in Software Center in Fedora effort?

2012-10-07 Thread Nikos Roussos


drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
A user ultimately don't care about packages but about applications.
Other distritors are moving in this direction while we fall behind.
We should lead here like we do in other areas.

+1
I still haven't understand what it takes to get this started. Besides of course 
from having some people dedicating some time on that. Convincing infrastructure 
team is the first step? Does this need to get through FESCO first?


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Re: Any progress in Software Center in Fedora effort?

2012-10-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.10.2012 19:55, schrieb drago01:
 Maybe maybe not. The point is that a fancy software shop would result
 into this old mother type of user consider to use fedora.
 A user ultimately don't care about packages but about applications.
 Other distritors are moving in this direction while we fall behind.
 We should lead here like we do in other areas.

why do we need to lead everywehre for every price?

 It will be nice if more people uses Fedora, but it not the main target, the
 greatness of Fedora is not measured but how many user it have, compared to
 other Linuxes or other os'es.
 
 Well without users (and growth) it will become irrelevant and thus it
 will become harder to achieve anything else.

nobody says without users
but do we really need every noob as user?

why have we different operating systems and distributions if all
satisfies the same user-base for every price? there is also a need
for a clean and straight forwarded linux without compromises only
to fetch users better satisfied with OSX or windows







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Re: Any progress in Software Center in Fedora effort?

2012-10-07 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Nikos Roussos [07/10/2012 20:41] :

 I still haven't understand what it takes to get this started. Besides of
 course from having some people dedicating some time on that. Convincing
 infrastructure team is the first step? Does this need to get through FESCO
 first?

You'll probably want to read the previous thread on the subject as well
as the apropos bugs:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-November/159951.html

Anybody interested in this will need to talk to Infra, RelEng and Legal
and ensure that they're all satisfied with the implementation.

Emmanuel
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Questions about the new comps

2012-10-07 Thread Christoph Wickert
In order to reduce the size of the F18 Xfce spin, I wanted to edit comps
- but decided to not do so until I fully understand what is going on. I
seem to have missed a lot since since last our discussion at Blacksburg,
so have a lot of questions.

Here we go:
 1. How can a package maintainer define a default, but not mandatory
package? Example: The Xfce SIG decided to no longer install
xfce4-icon-theme by default. It just takes space and we don't
use it. Nevertheless we want to enable users to install it
easily. How would we do that? Define an extra group with only
xfce4-icon-theme and make it an option of the Xfce environment?
 2. Even if I cannot do it in anacoda any longer, how would I do it
in PackageKit? How can I make something show up in a group there
without making it mandatory?
 3. How do the new groups translate into PackageKit groups? Will all
options be listed in the side pane of gpk-applications? Will
they dynamically change? Will all packages of a group be
selected?
 4. How to define conditionals?
 5. Is there more documentation than just

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=How_to_use_and_edit_comps.xml_for_package_groupsdiff=298968oldid=193124

Best regards,
Christoph

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Re: Questions about the new comps

2012-10-07 Thread Christoph Wickert
Hi there,

one more question: How can one install something that is neither an
'environment' nor a minimal install install? Say I want openbox as
window manager, how would I do that?

openbox is in the group 'window-managers', but that group is not shown
in anaconda. I guess we need to creae a group for each and every window
manager and then make these groups options of either 'window-managers'
or 'basic-x-windows' (the latter is shown in anaconda).

Is this really the only way?!

Best regards,
Christoph


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[Bug 863784] New: perl-Coro-6.09 is available

2012-10-07 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=863784

Bug ID: 863784
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
  Severity: unspecified
   Version: rawhide
  Priority: unspecified
CC: boche...@fedoraproject.org, kwiz...@gmail.com,
mmasl...@redhat.com,
perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org, ppi...@redhat.com
  Assignee: ppi...@redhat.com
   Summary: perl-Coro-6.09 is available
Regression: ---
  Story Points: ---
Classification: Fedora
OS: Unspecified
  Reporter: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
  Type: ---
 Documentation: ---
  Hardware: Unspecified
Mount Type: ---
Status: NEW
 Component: perl-Coro
   Product: Fedora

Latest upstream release: 6.09
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 6.08
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Coro/

Please consult the package updates policy before you issue an update to a
stable branch: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy

More information about the service that created this bug can be found at:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upstream_release_monitoring

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[Bug 863785] New: perl-Dancer-1.3110 is available

2012-10-07 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=863785

Bug ID: 863785
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
  Severity: unspecified
   Version: rawhide
  Priority: unspecified
CC: mmasl...@redhat.com,
perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
  Assignee: mmasl...@redhat.com
   Summary: perl-Dancer-1.3110 is available
Regression: ---
  Story Points: ---
Classification: Fedora
OS: Unspecified
  Reporter: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
  Type: ---
 Documentation: ---
  Hardware: Unspecified
Mount Type: ---
Status: NEW
 Component: perl-Dancer
   Product: Fedora

Latest upstream release: 1.3110
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 1.3100
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Dancer/

Please consult the package updates policy before you issue an update to a
stable branch: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy

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Broken dependencies: perl-OpenOffice-UNO

2012-10-07 Thread buildsys


perl-OpenOffice-UNO has broken dependencies in the F-18 tree:
On x86_64:
perl-OpenOffice-UNO-0.07-3.fc17.x86_64 requires 
perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.14.2)
On i386:
perl-OpenOffice-UNO-0.07-3.fc17.i686 requires 
perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.14.2)
perl-OpenOffice-UNO-0.07-3.fc17.i686 requires libsal_textenc.so
Please resolve this as soon as possible.


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[Bug 863729] Perl CORE package is broken. Missing CORE components expected in every Perl Install

2012-10-07 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=863729

Jan Pazdziora jpazdzi...@redhat.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |CLOSED
 CC||jpazdzi...@redhat.com
 Resolution|--- |NOTABUG
Last Closed||2012-10-07 09:14:45

--- Comment #1 from Jan Pazdziora jpazdzi...@redhat.com ---
Seems fine to me:

$ perl -e 'print CORE::hex(0x50), \n;'
80
$ rpm -q perl
perl-5.14.2-215.fc17.i686

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Broken dependencies: perl-OpenOffice-UNO

2012-10-07 Thread buildsys


perl-OpenOffice-UNO has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree:
On x86_64:
perl-OpenOffice-UNO-0.07-3.fc17.x86_64 requires 
perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.14.2)
On i386:
perl-OpenOffice-UNO-0.07-3.fc17.i686 requires 
perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.14.2)
perl-OpenOffice-UNO-0.07-3.fc17.i686 requires libsal_textenc.so
Please resolve this as soon as possible.


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File Coro-6.09.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by kwizart

2012-10-07 Thread Nicolas Chauvet
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Coro:

3b578ca56e4925329e174a9d4827efbb  Coro-6.09.tar.gz
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[perl-Coro] Update to 4.09

2012-10-07 Thread Nicolas Chauvet
commit 3f1383bdc41f11dcbe997bd9a586037679210833
Author: Nicolas Chauvet kwiz...@gmail.com
Date:   Sun Oct 7 22:56:44 2012 +0200

Update to 4.09

 .gitignore |1 +
 perl-Coro.spec |7 +--
 sources|2 +-
 3 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index eedd555..dc070b4 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -8,3 +8,4 @@
 /Coro-6.06.tar.gz
 /Coro-6.07.tar.gz
 /Coro-6.08.tar.gz
+/Coro-6.09.tar.gz
diff --git a/perl-Coro.spec b/perl-Coro.spec
index 7a18070..e41f97a 100644
--- a/perl-Coro.spec
+++ b/perl-Coro.spec
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:   perl-Coro
-Version:6.08
-Release:4%{?dist}
+Version:6.09
+Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:The only real threads in perl
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -127,6 +127,9 @@ make test
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Sun Oct 07 2012 Nicolas Chauvet kwiz...@gmail.com - 6.09-1
+- Update to 4.09
+
 * Fri Aug  3 2012 Jitka Plesnikova jples...@redhat.com - 6.08-4
 - Update BR
 
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index daa3a65..a8e4b14 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-86bcfac8bf53c9fe979106692b82b8b1  Coro-6.08.tar.gz
+3b578ca56e4925329e174a9d4827efbb  Coro-6.09.tar.gz
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[perl-Coro/f18] Update to 4.09

2012-10-07 Thread Nicolas Chauvet
Summary of changes:

  3f1383b... Update to 4.09 (*)

(*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent
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[Bug 863784] perl-Coro-6.09 is available

2012-10-07 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=863784

Nicolas Chauvet (kwizart) kwiz...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |CLOSED
 Resolution|--- |RAWHIDE
Last Closed||2012-10-07 17:08:54

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[Bug 863874] New: Update to 0.09010

2012-10-07 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=863874

Bug ID: 863874
QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
  Severity: unspecified
   Version: rawhide
  Priority: unspecified
CC: iarn...@gmail.com, perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
  Assignee: iarn...@gmail.com
   Summary: Update to 0.09010
Regression: ---
  Story Points: ---
Classification: Fedora
OS: Unspecified
  Reporter: emman...@seyman.fr
  Type: Bug
 Documentation: ---
  Hardware: Unspecified
Mount Type: ---
Status: NEW
 Component: perl-HTML-FormFu
   Product: Fedora

While trying to update HTML-FormFu-Model-DBIC to the latest version, I realized
it depends on HTML-FormFu 0.09010 which came out all of 3 days ago. Is it
possible to update the rawhide package. Once that's done, I'll update
HTML-FormFu-Model-DBIC.

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