Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Pavel Alexeev
04.02.2013 11:38, Kevin Kofler wrote: David Tardon wrote: Hi, On Sun, Feb 03, 2013 at 11:26:35PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com said: My understanding is that /usr/bin/soffice is a symlink in order to keep backwards maintainability.

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Pavel Alexeev
04.02.2013 10:47, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Features/ApacheOpenOffice = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ApacheOpenOffice Feature owner(s): Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org Add Apache OpenOffice, the free productivity suite, to Fedora. A big -1 to this feature,

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-02-04 Thread Honza Horak
On 02/03/2013 06:24 PM, Pavel Alexeev wrote: 01.02.2013 00:42, James Hogarth wrote: I'd still say yes since the context of this discussion is mysql 5.5 to mariadb 5.5 and nothing to do with mysql 5.6 and the time for mariadb 10/11 to become fully compatible to what's brought to the table in

Re: releasing ownership (maintainers/co-maintainers required)

2013-02-04 Thread Rakesh Pandit
On 3 February 2013 17:20, Pavel wrote: I would like take dvtm and pstreams-devel. I have released the ownership. You can claim them. Thank you. Regards, -- Rakesh Pandit https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rakesh freedom, friends, features, first -- devel mailing list

Re: releasing ownership (maintainers/co-maintainers required)

2013-02-04 Thread Petr Šabata
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 11:14:48AM +0200, Rakesh Pandit wrote: On 3 February 2013 17:20, Pavel wrote: I would like take dvtm and pstreams-devel. I have released the ownership. You can claim them. Thank you. I've taken dvtm as I've been more or less maintaining it for a while now (I missed

[HEADS UP] I've just built Erlang R16A in Rawhide.

2013-02-04 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello All! As a part of the planned Erlang upgrade to R16 I updated it to the recently released R16A (Release Candidate). I'm expecting a lot of breakage. Unfortunately all incompatibilities are hidden from end users, and some applications will install fine but refuse to start. Instead they will

Mass changing 500 packages BR:maven to BR:maven-local - TOMORROW(ish)

2013-02-04 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
Now that I have your attention... Fedora Maven package is currently a mix of upstream release and our changes that we need for building RPMs. We can clean it up, but we need to move packages from BR: maven to BR:maven-local. That will enable users to install Maven package without installing a lot

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: libkkc - a new Japanese Kana Kanji input library

2013-02-04 Thread Daiki Ueno
Mamoru TASAKA mtas...@fedoraproject.org writes: I tried ibus-kkc and it seems to be working to a certain degree. So does this Feature mean that the default input method (for Japanese) will be changed from ibus-anthy to ibus-kkc? If so, I think it is better that wiki page explicitly suggest

Java SIG MEETING Feb 5 (tomorrow) 4 PM UTC

2013-02-04 Thread Tomas Radej
Hi, First of all, I'm sorry that I forgot to send this e-mail last week. The fault's all mine. Tomorrow (Feb 5) at 4 PM UTC there will be a SIG meeting at #fedora-meeting channel at freenode. Link: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Java_SIG_2013-02 The subject will be mostly the mass

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Robert Mayr
2013/2/4 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Features/ApacheOpenOffice = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ApacheOpenOffice Feature owner(s): Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org Add Apache OpenOffice, the free productivity suite, to Fedora. A big -1

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Virtio RNG

2013-02-04 Thread Milan Broz
On 02/02/2013 02:49 PM, Björn Persson wrote: Paolo Bonzini wrote: If you're talking about RDRAND, it doesn't hand out entropy. That's RDSEED, which will only come with Haswell. RDRAND only hands out random numbers. Huh? Random numbers is pretty much synonymous to entropy in the

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Stahl
On 04/02/13 01:37, Peter Boy wrote: By the way: As I learnt on Linux Day last year, LibreOffice still depends on OpenOffice and is in the process to rebase their code to OpenOffice 3.4 (or something alike). So I'm wondering about different set of features. how exactly does LibreOffice

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Andrea, all, On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:31 AM, David Tardon dtar...@redhat.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 03, 2013 at 11:26:35PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com said: My understanding is that /usr/bin/soffice is a symlink in order to keep backwards

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Kevin Kofler wrote: * What benefit does this package have over LibreOffice, to justify carrying 2 packages doing essentially the same thing? They are indeed two productivity suites, but they are evolving in different directions. There's a Features link in the proposal

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 02/03/2013 09:15 PM, Pavel Alexeev wrote: 01.02.2013 00:17, drago01 wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Adam Williamsonawill...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 14:20 +0100, Robert Mayr wrote: I think that's not the point, one of the two suites will be dominant and you can't

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Martin Sourada
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 08:35:43 +0100 Kevin Kofler wrote: PPS: Oh, and this: The /usr/bin/soffice alias is still a problem since (in the Fedora packages) it would conflict between LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice: it is recommended to fix it in the LibreOffice packages too, at least using

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Martin Sourada
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 08:34:03 +0100 Kevin Kofler wrote: I wrote: Sandro Mani wrote: Can't we simply re-organize the fedoraproject website in such way that the download button points to something similar to the current More options page, maybe with a small description for each desktop

rawhide report: 20130204 changes

2013-02-04 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon Feb 4 08:15:37 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [bootconf] bootconf-1.4-6.fc18.noarch requires grub [compat-gcc-34] compat-gcc-34-c++-3.4.6-24.fc17.x86_64 requires libstdc++ 0:4.8.0 [couchdb]

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Martin Sourada
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 06:36:23 +0100 Kevin Kofler wrote: Eric Smith wrote: On 01/28/2013 08:47 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: I think switching the desktop that has been our default for over 10 years and 18 releases requires just a bit more research and reason than that. ~m I don't

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Stahl
On 04/02/13 13:59, Martin Sourada wrote: Also, going by your reasoning there would be no point in having Calligra either... Furthermore, technically LO is the fork ;-) technically, both Apache OpenOffice and LibreOffice are forks, since neither of them: a) are under the OpenOffice.org

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Mark Bidewell
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.atwrote: Matthias Clasen wrote: - Cinnamon started out as 'using GNOME components', but it is [now] a full fork of mutter, gnome-shell and nautilus, at least, and bug-fixes are not going either way... Those are

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 14:16:58 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: Big +1. What will an unsuspecting user think when he downloads, burns and tries Fedora on 32bit machine? That it's broken, From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such machines because nobody tests the bleeding edge

[Bug 907464] New: cpanm bundle lots of library and is not listed on fesco page

2013-02-04 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907464 Bug ID: 907464 Summary: cpanm bundle lots of library and is not listed on fesco page Product: Fedora Version: 18 Component: perl-App-cpanminus

Re: [HEADS UP] I've just built Erlang R16A in Rawhide.

2013-02-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 12:29:04PM +0300, Peter Lemenkov wrote: Hello All! As a part of the planned Erlang upgrade to R16 I updated it to the recently released R16A (Release Candidate). I'm expecting a lot of breakage. Unfortunately all incompatibilities are hidden from end users, and some

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-02-04 Thread Kay Sievers
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Scott Schmit i.g...@comcast.net wrote: Current: em1 - enp2s0 That is expected, and actually the right thing to do. Udev cannot apply such it looks like it is embedded heuristics for very practical technical reasons. There is no reliable information about that

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Stef Walter
On 02/04/2013 06:28 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: I love GNOME 3 and detest KDE 4. I've tried MATE and Cinnamon on both Linux Mint and Fedora and don't really see the point of either of them as long as GNOME 3 offers fallback mode. Fallback mode is going away in F19,

[perl-Log-Dispatch/f18] Upstream update.

2013-02-04 Thread corsepiu
Summary of changes: f3bdf5f... Upstream update. (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

File Regexp-Grammars-1.026.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by wfp

2013-02-04 Thread Bill Pemberton
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Regexp-Grammars: 6d75f337154bbbcd754e75ba7dd48bdd Regexp-Grammars-1.026.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/04/2013 02:42 PM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 14:16:58 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: Big +1. What will an unsuspecting user think when he downloads, burns and tries Fedora on 32bit machine? That it's broken, From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread James Hogarth
On 4 February 2013 12:39, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: * What benefit does this package have over LibreOffice, to justify carrying 2 packages doing essentially the same thing? They are indeed two productivity suites, but they are evolving in different

Re: [HEADS UP] I've just built Erlang R16A in Rawhide.

2013-02-04 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2013/2/4 Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com: Are any changes required to C erl_interface / ei.h users? I mean at the source level, not just recompiling. Nope, no changes are necessary. -- With best regards, Peter Lemenkov. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Regexp-Grammars/f18] Update to version 1.026

2013-02-04 Thread Bill Pemberton
Summary of changes: 5c4099c... Update to version 1.026 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread James Hogarth
Apologies for the accidental send before... On 4 February 2013 12:39, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: * What benefit does this package have over LibreOffice, to justify carrying 2 packages doing essentially the same thing? They are indeed two

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Dracut HostOnly

2013-02-04 Thread John Reiser
= Features/DracutHostOnly = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DracutHostOnly ... This results in a very big initramfs, which takes a long time to load on system start and a long time to create on kernel updates. For speed in creating an initramfs, please consider Requiring the package

[perl-Regexp-Grammars/f17] Update to version 1.026

2013-02-04 Thread Bill Pemberton
Summary of changes: 5c4099c... Update to version 1.026 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[Bug 907124] perl-Regexp-Grammars-1.026 is available

2013-02-04 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907124 --- Comment #1 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org --- perl-Regexp-Grammars-1.026-1.fc18 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 18. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-Regexp-Grammars-1.026-1.fc18 --

[Test-Announce] 2013-02-04 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
week, mostly. This is a reminder of the upcoming QA meeting. Please add any topic suggestions to the meeting wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130204 The current proposed agenda is included below. == Proposed Agenda Topics == 1. Criteria Revision 2. Test Case Revision 3

[Bug 907124] perl-Regexp-Grammars-1.026 is available

2013-02-04 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907124 --- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org --- perl-Regexp-Grammars-1.026-1.fc17 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 17. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-Regexp-Grammars-1.026-1.fc17 --

[perl-Regexp-Grammars/el6] Update to version 1.026

2013-02-04 Thread Bill Pemberton
Summary of changes: 5c4099c... Update to version 1.026 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

File Text-vFile-asData-0.08.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by corsepiu

2013-02-04 Thread corsepiu
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Text-vFile-asData: 39fad8c1ca12d44a1bde955f74b3d470 Text-vFile-asData-0.08.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Text-vFile-asData] Upstream update.

2013-02-04 Thread corsepiu
commit d224f0dc1f3216ee2b83d20a61b249750e61e480 Author: Ralf Corsépius corse...@fedoraproject.org Date: Mon Feb 4 16:06:19 2013 +0100 Upstream update. - Modernize spec. - Drop obsoletes/provides %{name}-utils. .gitignore |2 +- perl-Text-vFile-asData.spec

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Dracut HostOnly

2013-02-04 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.02.2013 15:47, schrieb John Reiser: = Features/DracutHostOnly = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DracutHostOnly ... This results in a very big initramfs, which takes a long time to load on system start and a long time to create on kernel updates. For speed in creating an

Re: Mass changing 500 packages BR:maven to BR:maven-local - TOMORROW(ish)

2013-02-04 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon 04 Feb 2013 04:56:23 AM EST, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: Now that I have your attention... Fedora Maven package is currently a mix of upstream release and our changes that we need for building RPMs. We can clean it up, but we need to move

Re: polkit changes in f19

2013-02-04 Thread Florian Weimer
On 02/04/2013 08:52 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Matthias Clasen wrote: I just realized that there is a change to the way polkit is packaged in f19 that spin maintainers should be aware of: the polkit package is just the service, which only provides the default policy as specified in the action

Re: polkit changes in f19

2013-02-04 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 04:31:10PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: Are packages really expected to ship .rules files? I don't think so: Right, as I understand it, with the new system, applications are never ever supposed to ship such rules files. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:23:45 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 02/04/2013 02:42 PM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such machines because nobody tests the bleeding edge Fedora kernels on such obsolete hardware. Could you provide more

Re: rawhide report: 20130203 changes

2013-02-04 Thread Jerry James
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Rebuilt by me: 4ti2 Actually, 4ti2 has been obsoleted by latte-integrale. I've reminded the maintainer that he needs to retire this package. -- Jerry James -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Text-vFile-asData/f17] (4 commits) ...Merge cleanup.

2013-02-04 Thread corsepiu
Summary of changes: 1d5afe2... Perl 5.16 rebuild (*) 565c469... - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Mass (*) d224f0d... Upstream update. (*) 847d97c... Merge cleanup. (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG

[perl-Text-vFile-asData/f17: 4/4] Merge cleanup.

2013-02-04 Thread corsepiu
commit 847d97c16d16fee47da03deef3335132fca001c3 Author: Ralf Corsépius corse...@fedoraproject.org Date: Mon Feb 4 16:13:14 2013 +0100 Merge cleanup. perl-Text-vFile-asData.spec |6 -- 1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Text-vFile-asData.spec

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Dracut HostOnly

2013-02-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: that are built at kernel build time? the issue with building it at build time was making sure we knew exactly what sourcs we needed to ship to match all the binaries in the initramfs. the initramfs's we build and ship as

Re: glpk soname bump expected?

2013-02-04 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 02/03/2013 03:47 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:54:23 -0700, Orion Poplawski wrote: Looks like going from glpk 4.47 to 4.48 bumped the soname from libglpk.so.0 to libglpk.so.33. Something tells me this was not expected and is not correct. Can this be verified? Could

Re: glpk soname bump expected?

2013-02-04 Thread Jerry James
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Orion Poplawski or...@cora.nwra.com wrote: Hmm, that makes it seem even more likely that upstream fat-fingered something. Although: http://upstream-tracker.org/versions/glpk.html does indicate that ABI has been broken (although it has been done so in the past

Strange yum update hang (or something else) in Rawhide .. how to debug this further?

2013-02-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
Cleanup: cpp-4.8.0-0.7.fc19.x86_64215/262 Cleanup: gdb-7.5.50.20130118-2.fc19.x86_64216/262 Cleanup: 1:findutils-4.5.10-7.fc19.x86_64 217/262 Cleanup: spice-server-0.12.2-2.fc19.x86_64

Re: Strange yum update hang (or something else) in Rawhide .. how to debug this further?

2013-02-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 04:38:08PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Yum is blocked on a futex: I should add: yum-3.4.3-57.fc19.noarch Rawhide 64 bit, almost(!) up to date. It looks as if rpm-libs was also updated moments earlier to 4.11.0-0.beta1.3. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Kévin Raymond
Le lundi 04 févr. 2013 à 14:42:35 (+0100), Jan Kratochvil a écrit : On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 14:16:58 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: Big +1. What will an unsuspecting user think when he downloads, burns and tries Fedora on 32bit machine? That it's broken, From what I have reports even Fedora

[389-devel] Regarding changing instance specific scripts to be global/generic

2013-02-04 Thread Mark Reynolds
There has been a request to remove instance specific scripts, and make them generic and placed in /usr/sbin/ https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/528 Should we remove all the scripts from /usr/lib64/dirsrv/slapd-INSTANCE: bak2db db2index dn2rdnldif2ldap

Re: Strange yum update hang (or something else) in Rawhide .. how to debug this further?

2013-02-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 04:41:25PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: It looks as if rpm-libs was also updated moments earlier to 4.11.0-0.beta1.3. Correction: RPM was just updated from 4.11.0-0.beta1.3 to 4.11.0.1-1. It was beta1.2 which was the dodgy version, but I didn't have that installed

[Bug 907464] cpanm bundle lots of library and is not listed on fesco page

2013-02-04 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907464 Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|CLOSED |ASSIGNED

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Kévin Raymond
From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such machines because nobody tests the bleeding edge Fedora kernels on such obsolete hardware. Could you provide more details? I have Fedora 18 running on several 32bit machines and am wondering what you are referring to. From

Re: Strange yum update hang (or something else) in Rawhide .. how to debug this further?

2013-02-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 04:38:08PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Cleanup: cpp-4.8.0-0.7.fc19.x86_64 215/262 Cleanup: gdb-7.5.50.20130118-2.fc19.x86_64 216/262 Cleanup: 1:findutils-4.5.10-7.fc19.x86_64

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-04 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 01/29/2013 12:59 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: Well, the other thing fedup does - and the other reason it's necessary compared to a simple online yum upgrade - is provide a mechanism for pretty much any package to hook in pretty much any action to be performed as part of the upgrade. To be sure

Re: Strange yum update hang (or something else) in Rawhide .. how to debug this further?

2013-02-04 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 02/04/2013 07:01 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 04:38:08PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Cleanup: cpp-4.8.0-0.7.fc19.x86_64215/262 Cleanup: gdb-7.5.50.20130118-2.fc19.x86_64216/262 Cleanup

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-02-04 Thread Henrique Junior
It looks like openSUSE is providing both, MariaDB and MySQL, with MariaDB as a default[1]. [1] - http://michal.hrusecky.net/2013/01/mysql-mariadb-and-opensuse-12-3/ 2013/2/4 Honza Horak hho...@redhat.com On 02/03/2013 06:24 PM, Pavel Alexeev wrote: 01.02.2013 00:42, James Hogarth wrote:

Re: Strange yum update hang (or something else) in Rawhide .. how to debug this further?

2013-02-04 Thread Kevin Fenzi
I've not run into this on my rawhide laptop or rawhide vm today... Perhaps some kind of race condition there? kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Virtio RNG

2013-02-04 Thread Cole Robinson
amit's response: On (Sun) 03 Feb 2013 [10:30:49], Cole Robinson wrote: On 02/01/2013 04:39 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: Feature owner(s): Cole Robinson crobi...@redhat.com, Amit Shah amit.s...@redhat.com Provide a paravirtual random number generator

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/04/2013 05:47 PM, Kévin Raymond wrote: From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such machines because nobody tests the bleeding edge Fedora kernels on such obsolete hardware. Could you provide more details? I have Fedora 18 running on several 32bit machines and am

[perl-Pod-Parser] Sub-package Pod-Usage

2013-02-04 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 4218ec632154822d30632f9620f3b707492e2ab2 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Mon Feb 4 17:11:56 2013 +0100 Sub-package Pod-Usage perl-Pod-Parser.spec | 42 +- 1 files changed, 37 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-) --- diff --git

[perl-Pod-Parser] Sub-package Pod-Checker

2013-02-04 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 33aa8a21436966587bb3cac303a4e6bb7b2693fd Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Mon Feb 4 17:31:16 2013 +0100 Sub-package Pod-Checker perl-Pod-Parser.spec | 26 ++ 1 files changed, 26 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Pod-Parser.spec

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-04 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 01/25/2013 12:12 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: So, you can ignore all of that, but then you have to think about what you actually accomplished by your upgrade? You updated a couple of libraries, and maybe managed to restart a few processes using them, but for the rest of them the vulnerable

Re: #5467: 2 Packages missing from mirrors

2013-02-04 Thread Fedora Release Engineering
#5467: 2 Packages missing from mirrors --+--- Reporter: limb | Owner: rel-eng@… Type: task | Status: new Milestone: Fedora 19 Alpha | Component: koji Resolution: | Keywords:

Re: releasing ownership (maintainers/co-maintainers required)

2013-02-04 Thread Pavel Alexeev
04.02.2013 13:28, Petr Šabata пишет: On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 11:14:48AM +0200, Rakesh Pandit wrote: On 3 February 2013 17:20, Pavel wrote: I would like take dvtm and pstreams-devel. I have released the ownership. You can claim them. Thank you. I've taken dvtm as I've been more or less

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: Lets pretend I'm still running Fedora 16 and every day I do yum-upgrade and not rebooted from day zero. I have exactly the same problem as during yum upgrade to next Fedora release. So we are ignoring this behaviour in middle of

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-02-04 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 12:16:36AM -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi But the fact that the packages conflict should stand in the way. We don't have any guidelines that forbids it. Just a note for people searching the mailing list later: We do have Guidelines that prohibit

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
On 30/01/13 05:22 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Given that OpenOffice and LibreOffice share a common history (and not that far back), are there going to be any efforts made to allow them to be parallel-installable on the system, or will they be fully-fledged

Re: [389-devel] Regarding changing instance specific scripts to be global/generic

2013-02-04 Thread Mark Reynolds
On 02/04/2013 12:16 PM, Rich Megginson wrote: On 02/04/2013 09:42 AM, Mark Reynolds wrote: There has been a request to remove instance specific scripts, and make them generic and placed in /usr/sbin/ https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/528 Should we remove all the scripts from

Re: polkit changes in f19

2013-02-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 04:31:10PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: Are packages really expected to ship .rules files? I don't think so: Right, as I understand it, with the new system, applications are never ever supposed to ship such rules files. Yes, that's

Re: glpk soname bump expected?

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:13:33 -0700, Jerry James wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: Hmm, that makes it seem even more likely that upstream fat-fingered something. Although: http://upstream-tracker.org/versions/glpk.html does indicate that ABI has been broken

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: My issue with Apache OpenOffice can be seen on LWN: https://lwn.net/Articles/532665/ [...] The Apache Software Foundation releases code under the Apache license; they are, indeed, rather firm on that point. The Symphony repository, though [...] It's an outdated article

Static Analysis: some UI ideas

2013-02-04 Thread David Malcolm
I've been experimenting with some UI ideas for reporting static analysis results: I've linked to two different UI reports below. My hope is that we'll have a server in the Fedora infrastructure for browsing results, marking things as false positives etc. However, for the purposes of simplicity

Re: Static Analysis: some UI ideas

2013-02-04 Thread Kamil Dudka
On Monday, February 04, 2013 15:04:36 David Malcolm wrote: I've been experimenting with some UI ideas for reporting static analysis results: I've linked to two different UI reports below. My hope is that we'll have a server in the Fedora infrastructure for browsing results, marking things as

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 18:11 +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote: On 01/29/2013 12:59 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: Well, the other thing fedup does - and the other reason it's necessary compared to a simple online yum upgrade - is provide a mechanism for pretty much any package to hook in pretty much

Re: Static Analysis: some UI ideas

2013-02-04 Thread David Malcolm
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 22:13 +0100, Kamil Dudka wrote: On Monday, February 04, 2013 15:04:36 David Malcolm wrote: I've been experimenting with some UI ideas for reporting static analysis results: I've linked to two different UI reports below. My hope is that we'll have a server in the

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Martin Sourada
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 14:31:11 + James Hogarth wrote: Might I suggest focusing on packaging 3.4.1 for rawhide and dealing with the issues surrounding conflicts and if that gies well consider the 4.0 release (or whatever lines up then) for F20? That's mostly how I understand the proposal. The

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Martin Sourada
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:34:18 +0100 Jan Kratochvil wrote: Still I believe it is probably true as I doubt Fedora QA tests compatibility with old hosts. Fedora QA AFAIK tests on their own hardware only + virtual machines. I don't know about kernel upstream QA/devs though. I'm running F18 on a

Re: glpk soname bump expected?

2013-02-04 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 02/04/2013 09:13 AM, Jerry James wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Orion Poplawski or...@cora.nwra.com wrote: Hmm, that makes it seem even more likely that upstream fat-fingered something. Although: http://upstream-tracker.org/versions/glpk.html does indicate that ABI has been broken

Re: Strange yum update hang (or something else) in Rawhide .. how to debug this further?

2013-02-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 07:17:35PM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: On 02/04/2013 07:01 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 04:38:08PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Cleanup: cpp-4.8.0-0.7.fc19.x86_64 215/262 Cleanup:

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 06:56 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: 2. Can't we just not have a default? Not really. Others have touched on this, but the websites team really wants the simplicity of a straightforward 'Download' link that gets you a live image, and that pretty

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 07:47 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Features/ApacheOpenOffice = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ApacheOpenOffice Feature owner(s): Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org Add Apache OpenOffice, the free productivity suite, to Fedora.

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 18:19 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 02/04/2013 05:47 PM, Kévin Raymond wrote: From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such machines because nobody tests the bleeding edge Fedora kernels on such obsolete hardware. Could you provide more

NSS in Rawhide updated to nss-3.12.4

2013-02-04 Thread Elio Maldonado
To all interested, This is the upstream announcement: [NOTE: NSS 3.14.2 does not include a fix for the attacks described in the paper "Lucky Thirteen: Breaking the TLS and DTLS Record Protocols" (http://www.isg.rhul.ac.uk/tls/). An upcoming NSS

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 23:27 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:34:18 +0100 Jan Kratochvil wrote: Still I believe it is probably true as I doubt Fedora QA tests compatibility with old hosts. Fedora QA AFAIK tests on their own hardware only + virtual machines. I don't

Re: Strange yum update hang (or something else) in Rawhide .. how to debug this further?

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 19:17 +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: On 02/04/2013 07:01 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 04:38:08PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Cleanup: cpp-4.8.0-0.7.fc19.x86_64 215/262 Cleanup:

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: You're a new Linux user, you go to our download page, and instead of a simple big green Download button, it starts asking you questions about what 'desktop environment' you want? As I said earlier in this thread, and as the Fedora Board

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 20:14 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: You're a new Linux user, you go to our download page, and instead of a simple big green Download button, it starts asking you questions about what 'desktop environment' you want?

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Jon VanAlten
- Original Message - From: Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 6:53:20 PM Subject: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 06:56 +0100,

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-02-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Rahul Sundaram wrote: You are putting the cart before the horse. You have to demonstrate its feasible to fix them before excluding future uses. I don't see how it is possible to fix the entire distribution to never use conflicts. Aggressive renaming (see e.g. what I did to kdelibs to allow

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: ...and forcing a choice - possibly between several things they are not familiar with either in detail or in nature - is equally wrong for many people. Probably *more* people. Lots of people don't really care what desktop they get, and lots of people don't know what a

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Martin Sourada wrote: On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 14:31:11 + James Hogarth wrote: Might I suggest focusing on packaging 3.4.1 for rawhide and dealing with the issues surrounding conflicts and if that gies well consider the 4.0 release (or whatever lines up then) for F20? That's mostly how I

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 20:14 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: You're a new Linux user, you go to our download page, and instead of a simple big green Download button, it starts asking

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 21:49 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Honestly, what kind of benefit to the community do you expect from a user who gets confused just by looking at a couple nice screenshots and reading some brief explanation? Have you ever met such a person (incapable of understanding two

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