Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 07/19/2013 05:44 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Jul 18, 2013 5:42 PM, Michael Catanzaro mike.catanz...@gmail.com mailto:mike.catanz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 09:53 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: /usr/bin/python should refer to python2 --

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Bohuslav Kabrda
- Original Message - On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: Hi all, as a new Fedora Python maintainer, I have set myself a goal of moving Fedora to Python 3 as a default. I'm not sure we want to make python3 default depending on what your definition of

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Jan Zelený
On 19. 7. 2013 at 02:41:23, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: ... snip ... +1 -- unfortunately, this probably depends on DNF So we may need to push DNF in F22 and anaconda compatible with python3 in F23. DNF is a continuous effort. I believe that DNF will provide it's Python 3 bindings sooner

Koji down?

2013-07-19 Thread Joachim Backes
Getting this when connecting to http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji --- Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server

Re: Koji down?

2013-07-19 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 09:03 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote: Getting this when connecting to http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji --- Internal Server Error It's a planned outage: $ koji --debug moshimoshi [... snip ...]

Re: Koji down?

2013-07-19 Thread Jamie Nguyen
On 19/07/13 08:03, Joachim Backes wrote: Getting this when connecting to http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji --- Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete

Re: Virtual provides for files in /var/log

2013-07-19 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 07/18/2013 11:35 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Panu Matilainen (pmati...@laiskiainen.org) said: So... /var/log/messages is not guaranteed to be there even now, because it depends on rsyslog configuration. So any packages which cannot handle missing /var/log/messages are broken already in a

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Apache OpenOffice

2013-07-19 Thread Daniel Veillard
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:54:10PM +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Apache OpenOffice = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ApacheOpenOffice Change owner(s): Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org Add Apache OpenOffice [1], the free productivity suite, to

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Vagrant

2013-07-19 Thread Gianluca Sforna
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: If we're confident that the feature will get into upstream when the unreleased version finally comes out, and if this is really the last blocker, we may be able to get an exception to the bundled libraries policy.

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 07/18/2013 06:53 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: /usr/bin/python should refer to python2 -- http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/ I'd be -1 to changing this Quoting from this PEP: python should refer to the same target as python2 but may refer to python3 on some bleeding edge

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:20:02AM +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: On 07/19/2013 05:44 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Jul 18, 2013 5:42 PM, Michael Catanzaro mike.catanz...@gmail.com mailto:mike.catanz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 09:53 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: Hi all, as a new Fedora Python maintainer, I have set myself a goal of moving Fedora to Python 3 as a default. This is going to be a multirelease effort that is going to affect lots of Fedora parts. Since we will need to switch

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-19 Thread Kamil Paral
So, do I understand you correctly that you as Yum/Dnf guys would be ok to have a different backend for GUI and non-GUI use cases as mentioned in this thread and agreed by FESCo previously? I'd be more than happy to see your sign off for this change and state this too there. Well, it's a

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 18 juillet 2013 16:08, Lennart Poettering a écrit : But anyway, I understand you like ISO, and think it is readable. I don't agree, but we just have to agree to disagree on this one. It might thrill you though to learn that I just commited a patch by Tomasz that adds an ISO output

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-19 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Kamil Paral kpa...@redhat.com wrote: So, do I understand you correctly that you as Yum/Dnf guys would be ok to have a different backend for GUI and non-GUI use cases as mentioned in this thread and agreed by FESCo previously? I'd be more than happy to see

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-19 Thread Richard Hughes
On 15 July 2013 16:07, Jan Zelený jzel...@redhat.com wrote: Another option would be to make the new PK (or just the backend if possible) optional for now and make it default together with dnf replacing yum. However I strongly suspect that neither of these two proposals are acceptable for

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread John . Florian
From: berra...@redhat.com Far better to encourage people to explicitly use /usr/bin/python2 and /usr/bin/python3 explicitly and discourage any use of plain /usr/bin/python, but definitely not change the semantics of the latter. I think this is by far the best thing to do. After all import

Re: Virtual provides for files in /var/log

2013-07-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:26:24AM +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote: Yeah... Log analyzers are one thing, but I dont know what eg hplip and lvm2 are doing with the info scraped out of /var/log/messages, it seems somewhat suspect at least. They're just gathering it into a diagnostic report -- not

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-19 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 07:02 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: So, do I understand you correctly that you as Yum/Dnf guys would be ok to have a different backend for GUI and non-GUI use cases as mentioned in this thread and agreed by FESCo previously? I'd be more than happy to see your sign off

How to create a new mailing list at lists.fedoraproject.org

2013-07-19 Thread Vivek Goyal
Hi, I want to create a new mailing list for kexec/kdump related discussions in fedora. How do I go about it. I try to create one here but it asks for List creator's password. I don't have any such password. So who is authorized to create the list and can he/she create one for me? Thanks Vivek

Re: How to create a new mailing list at lists.fedoraproject.org

2013-07-19 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
Hi! On Jul 19, 2013 7:12 AM, Vivek Goyal vgo...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, I want to create a new mailing list for kexec/kdump related discussions in fedora. How do I go about it. I try to create one here but it asks for List creator's password. I don't have any such password. So who is

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 19 juillet 2013 17:04, Tomas Mraz a écrit : On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 10:17 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: So while I encourage a Fedora effort to get onto Python3 by default, well before 2015, I don't think we should assume that Python2 support is definitely going to stop in 2015. +1

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 10:17 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:20:02AM +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: On 07/19/2013 05:44 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Jul 18, 2013 5:42 PM, Michael Catanzaro mike.catanz...@gmail.com mailto:mike.catanz...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread John . Florian
From: nicolas.mail...@laposte.net Le Ven 19 juillet 2013 17:04, Tomas Mraz a écrit : On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 10:17 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: So while I encourage a Fedora effort to get onto Python3 by default, well before 2015, I don't think we should assume that Python2 support

AutoQA Testcase Stats

2013-07-19 Thread Tim Flink
I've been working to revamp the AutoQA infrastructure so that we're not running completely on F17 clients and after building several new client machines in staging, I was curious about how well the tests were running on the new client machines. I've included the numbers below but 2 things jump

[AutoQA] #439: depcheck crashes almost every time on fc19

2013-07-19 Thread AutoQA
#439: depcheck crashes almost every time on fc19 -+-- Reporter: tflink | Owner: Type: defect | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Depcheck Component: tests | Keywords: Blocked By: | Blocking:

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 05:16:03PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Ven 19 juillet 2013 17:04, Tomas Mraz a écrit : On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 10:17 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: So while I encourage a Fedora effort to get onto Python3 by default, well before 2015, I don't think we should

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 11:24 -0400, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: From: nicolas.mail...@laposte.net Le Ven 19 juillet 2013 17:04, Tomas Mraz a écrit : On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 10:17 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: So while I encourage a Fedora effort to get onto Python3 by default,

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 21:37 -0400, Ding Yi Chen wrote: Exactly - adding to the minimal install is generally always a supported operation. Removing from the minimal install is always a 'buyer beware' or 'you get both pieces' operation. Didn't Jesse Keating said something like we don't

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

2013-07-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 07:02 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: So, do I understand you correctly that you as Yum/Dnf guys would be ok to have a different backend for GUI and non-GUI use cases as mentioned in this thread and agreed by FESCo previously? I'd be more than happy to see your sign off

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Billy Crook
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.comwrote: On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 21:37 -0400, Ding Yi Chen wrote: Exactly - adding to the minimal install is generally always a supported operation. Removing from the minimal install is always a 'buyer beware' or 'you

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:17:51AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: Far better to encourage people to explicitly use /usr/bin/python2 and /usr/bin/python3 explicitly and discourage any use of plain /usr/bin/python, but definitely not change the semantics of the latter. +1*10^6 Upstream

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread John . Florian
From: tm...@redhat.com On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 11:24 -0400, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: From: nicolas.mail...@laposte.net Le Ven 19 juillet 2013 17:04, Tomas Mraz a écrit : On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 10:17 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: So while I encourage a Fedora

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 19 juillet 2013 17:30, Daniel P. Berrange a écrit : On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 05:16:03PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Ven 19 juillet 2013 17:04, Tomas Mraz a écrit : On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 10:17 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: So while I encourage a Fedora effort to get onto

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:20:02AM +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: On 07/19/2013 05:44 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Jul 18, 2013 5:42 PM, Michael Catanzaro mike.catanz...@gmail.com mailto:mike.catanz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 09:53 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines

2013-07-19 Thread Florian Weimer
On 07/11/2013 06:03 PM, Vivek Goyal wrote: It is but it implements stuff which is needed to meet TCB requirements. Current implementation is nowhere near to require secureboot requirements. For example, executables are not locked down in memory. That means after signature verification, if

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines

2013-07-19 Thread Vivek Goyal
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:51:36PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Kdump_with_secureboot == Detailed

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-19 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail Change owner(s): Lennart Poettering lennart at poettering net, Matthew Miller mattdm at fedoraproject org

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 10:17 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: Far better to encourage people to explicitly use /usr/bin/python2 and /usr/bin/python3 explicitly and discourage any use of plain /usr/bin/python Note the GNOME discussion here:

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/17/2013 12:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:21:39AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 07/17/2013 12:58 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote: You still have not addressed the third party

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-19 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Billy Crook billycr...@gmail.com wrote: Please voice yourself at meetings in #fedora-devel if this is important to you. (Speaking purely for myself and not for other FESCo members,) I do want to hear from Fedora contributors - but I'd much rather hear on the

Re: How to create a new mailing list at lists.fedoraproject.org

2013-07-19 Thread Vivek Goyal
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 07:22:55AM -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: Hi! On Jul 19, 2013 7:12 AM, Vivek Goyal vgo...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, I want to create a new mailing list for kexec/kdump related discussions in fedora. How do I go about it. I try to create one here but it asks

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 07/19/2013 06:12 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Progress does not that frequently depend on removing older functionality. Specifically in this case, removing rsyslog does not make journal in any way better. Perhaps not that' s a matter of opinion but to we should be able to compare it

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-19 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 07:37:35PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: However, having the /usr/sbin/sendmail API available to applications is valuable - it brings a significant system administration benefit of

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-19 Thread Billy Crook
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail Change owner(s): Lennart

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:53:20PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 10:17 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: Far better to encourage people to explicitly use /usr/bin/python2 and /usr/bin/python3 explicitly and discourage any use of plain /usr/bin/python Note the GNOME

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Daniel P. Berrange (berra...@redhat.com) said: I don't think we're anywhere near the point in time where such an approach is worth the pain it will inflict on people. As above, I'm pretty sceptical that maintainence of Python2 is actually going to stop in 2015, as I think there are too many

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Billy Crook
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/19/2013 06:12 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Progress does not that frequently depend on removing older functionality. Specifically in this case, removing rsyslog does not make journal in any way better.

Mesos Packaging

2013-07-19 Thread Tim St Clair
For folks who are watching, we are assisting the upstream Mesos project(https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MESOS-543) and there is interest from multiple parties to get the package and it's dependencies into the Fedora | EPEL channels.   If you are interested, please feel free to ping me

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Billy Crook
On Jul 19, 2013 2:11 PM, Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com wrote: On 07/19/2013 02:56 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 07/19/2013 06:45 PM, Billy Crook wrote: I haven't seen anyone asking to ship two sysloggers. I perhaps should have been clearer and say two logging systems which we

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 07/19/2013 07:11 PM, Steve Clark wrote: This might have merit if the one you want to keep could do everything it does plus what the one you want to remove does. And to establish if it does that, we need to know what the deceive factor was of choosing rsyslog in the first place over

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Billy Crook billycr...@gmail.com wrote: Please voice yourself at meetings in #fedora-devel if this is important to you. (Speaking purely for myself and not for other FESCo members,) I do want to hear from Fedora

Re: Review Request 36: improve update syncs

2013-07-19 Thread Ilgiz Islamgulov
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Re: Review Request 36: improve update syncs

2013-07-19 Thread Ilgiz Islamgulov
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Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Steve Clark
On 07/19/2013 02:56 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 07/19/2013 06:45 PM, Billy Crook wrote: I haven't seen anyone asking to ship two sysloggers. I perhaps should have been clearer and say two logging systems which we currently are doing and one of those cannot be disabled or removed so

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-19 Thread Billy Crook
On Jul 19, 2013 2:16 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Billy Crook billycr...@gmail.com wrote: Please voice yourself at meetings in #fedora-devel if this is important to you. (Speaking purely for myself

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 07/19/2013 07:11 PM, Steve Clark wrote: This might have merit if the one you want to keep could do everything it does plus what the one you want to remove does. If the intent was to obsolete rsyslog then yes that would be relevant but since it's not, that's not the case. JBG -- devel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-19 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
mattdm wrote: [...] What does it mean to have available? As discussed earlier, I think it's significantly better for applications to get errors (which they can handle) than to think they've sent a message which really gets buried forever. There exist /usr/lib/sendmail submission-only

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: 3) Making all livecd packages depend on Python 3 by default (and eventually getting rid of Python 2 from livecd) - this will also require switching from Yum to DNF as a default, that is supposed to support Python I have a concern

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 02:16:13PM -0500, Billy Crook wrote: Well put. This is exactly why NoSyslog is premature. And that's exactly why it's NoDefaultSyslog, not NoSyslog. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 07/19/2013 06:45 PM, Billy Crook wrote: I haven't seen anyone asking to ship two sysloggers. I perhaps should have been clearer and say two logging systems which we currently are doing and one of those cannot be disabled or removed so the logical choice is to remove the one that can and

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Remove deprecated calls of using ntpdate in favor of ntpd

2013-07-19 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Remove deprecated calls of using ntpdate in favor of ntpd = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ntpdate Given what has been discussed/learned in this thread, it seems that the

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 02:41:23AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: - Original Message - On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: Hi all, as a new Fedora Python maintainer, I have set myself a goal of moving Fedora to Python 3 as a default. I'm not

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-19 Thread Oron Peled
Hi, On Friday 19 July 2013 14:16:57 Matthew Miller wrote: As discussed earlier, I think it's significantly better for applications to get errors (which they can handle) than to think they've sent a message which really gets buried forever. True, but it doesn't have to be buried forever,

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-19 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Web Assets = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Web_Assets Change owner(s): T.C. Hollingsworth tchollingswo...@gmail.com == Detailed description == A standard directory

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 03:29:57PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: 3) Making all livecd packages depend on Python 3 by default (and eventually getting rid of Python 2 from livecd) - this will also require switching from Yum to

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 07:37:35PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: However, having the /usr/sbin/sendmail API available to applications is valuable - it brings a significant system administration benefit of centralizing the SMTP configuration. What does it mean to have available? As discussed

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-19 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 9:51 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth tchollingswo...@gmail.com wrote: More importantly, is it OK to just take over a part of the server's URI namespace like this? snip But _assets/ does have the potential to clash a lot too. So how about _sysassets/? I'm afraid I don't have

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:58:35AM -0400, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: From: tm...@redhat.com On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 11:24 -0400, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: Excellent point! If I were caught unaware, I'd much rather have to fix up a bunch shebang lines and learn that I need to

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 01:45:41PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: * python-cheetah -- Development slowed way down after they made their last release in 2010 and announced that the next release cheetah-3.0 would include python3 support. Probably need to contact upstream about this and may

[389-devel] Please review: [389 Project] #47435: Very large entryusn values after enabling the USN plugin and the lastusn value is negative.

2013-07-19 Thread Noriko Hosoi
https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/47435 https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/47435/0001-Ticket-47435-Very-large-entryusn-values-after-enabli.patch 1. Bug description: The initial value of lastusn is -1, but since the entryusn has the unsigned long long integer type, the server

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Kushal Das
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure if this is a good idea (or in what time frame it may be a good idea. It's definitely too early now and likely too early for F22) but -- if you want something explicit, we could replace /usr/bin/python

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:22:28PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: What does it mean to have available? Just that. The binary exists and does what it is expected to do. We can do part 1. Part 2 is impossible. As discussed earlier, I think it's significantly better for applications to get

[perl-Test-Kwalitee] Created tag perl-Test-Kwalitee-1.09-1.fc20

2013-07-19 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Test-Kwalitee-1.09-1.fc20' was created pointing to: a56d7c4... Update to 1.09 -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 05:30:36PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 01:45:41PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: * python-cheetah -- Development slowed way down after they made their last release in 2010 and announced that the next release cheetah-3.0 would include

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-19 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jul 19, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Billy Crook billycr...@gmail.com wrote: Please voice yourself at meetings in #fedora-devel if this is important to you. (Speaking purely for myself and not for other FESCo members,) I do

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 14:23 -0500, Billy Crook wrote: It's not as if the default MTA configuration, as I understand it (no smart host, attempt to send all mail directly with the FQDN) is generally useful OOTB. It is to me, and I suspect I am not alone. I call bullshit. How is it

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) said: On 07/19/2013 07:11 PM, Steve Clark wrote: This might have merit if the one you want to keep could do everything it does plus what the one you want to remove does. And to establish if it does that, we need to know what the deceive factor

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Glen Turner
Hi Lennart, I suppose someone should mention small flash-disk-only computers. There traditionally we fling syslog messages to the serial console or a LRU buffer in RAM (often the dmesg buffer). The point is to avoid I/O on the flash memory. Syslog daemons tend to do a lot of fsync-ed I/O,

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 08:15:11AM +0930, Glen Turner wrote: Hi Lennart, I suppose someone should mention small flash-disk-only computers. There traditionally we fling syslog messages to the serial console or a LRU buffer in RAM (often the dmesg buffer). The point is to avoid I/O on the

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Billy Crook (billycr...@gmail.com) said: Perhaps there should be a Least Possible Bootable install for situations like this. I would agree Syslog should be missing from such an install. Just not from Default -- Not until journalctl and systemd attain ubiquity.. The installation only has a

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 01:02:00AM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: - Is is possible to run journald without writing to disk; that is: to serial as text, or as binary to a ring buffer which can then by used by journalctl? Yes, it's possible to keep journal completely in /run/ by

Re: Mesos Packaging

2013-07-19 Thread Björn Esser
Am Freitag, den 19.07.2013, 15:14 -0400 schrieb Tim St Clair: are assisting the upstream Mesos project(https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MESOS-543) and there is interest from multiple parties to get the package and it's dependencies into the Fedora | EPEL channels. If you are

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-19 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz wrote: Minor comment: This copy of the text uses /assets ; the wiki page and the proposed policy uses both /assets and /_assets ; this should be cleared up. More importantly, is it OK to just take over a part of the server's URI

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Remove deprecated calls of using ntpdate in favor of ntpd

2013-07-19 Thread Kurt Seifried
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Remove deprecated calls of using ntpdate in favor of ntpd = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ntpdate

Mean machinery...

2013-07-19 Thread Doug Ledford
When a shutdown task isn't proceeding as planned on Fedora 19/rawhide, am I the only one that feels like I'm staring down the monocle of a Cylon and should be preparing to die? That or it's the hood from Kit off of Knight Rider... Either way, it's creepy ;-) -- devel mailing list

[Bug 552105] cpanspec treats recommended dependencies to required

2013-07-19 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=552105 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||ppi...@redhat.com ---

File Crypt-Blowfish-2.12_001.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2013-07-19 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Crypt-Blowfish: 7789bf6dbe44661efa7fdaf522b9603e Crypt-Blowfish-2.12_001.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Crypt-Blowfish] 2.12_001 bump

2013-07-19 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 8759b4dda6c488e7c93d1557509acbf7feb2b77e Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jul 19 09:23:44 2013 +0200 2.12_001 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-Crypt-Blowfish.spec | 21 +++-- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 17

[perl-File-MMagic-XS] Perl 5.18 compatibility

2013-07-19 Thread Petr Pisar
commit de23dbf080d741b5eb3a1e94fb6a49314ed9bd90 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jul 19 09:44:04 2013 +0200 Perl 5.18 compatibility ...qw-does-not-produce-array-context-anymore.patch | 31 perl-File-MMagic-XS.spec |4 ++ 2

[perl-File-HomeDir] Specify all dependencies

2013-07-19 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 64fb553fa0fb87583565cbdad1a83435ae9607d8 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jul 19 12:37:10 2013 +0200 Specify all dependencies perl-File-HomeDir.spec | 19 ++- 1 files changed, 14 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-File-HomeDir.spec

File Devel-Caller-2.06.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2013-07-19 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Devel-Caller: af52f47979b3c9358af9e5d8c283f263 Devel-Caller-2.06.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Devel-Caller] 2.06 bump

2013-07-19 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 4be48bbb8e1c1abb2cc1832d771fb1e5ca2cc7fe Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jul 19 12:50:25 2013 +0200 2.06 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-Devel-Caller.spec | 17 +++-- sources|2 +- 3 files changed, 17 insertions(+), 3

File Crypt-DES-2.05_002.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2013-07-19 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Crypt-DES: e9a55f450730593b7165c58ec3acdbc2 Crypt-DES-2.05_002.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Crypt-DES] 2.05_002 bump

2013-07-19 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 19b26e18de1dfbaf8c1644f6205da575c38f178d Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jul 19 14:16:30 2013 +0200 2.05_002 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-Crypt-DES.spec | 20 ++-- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 16 insertions(+), 7

[perl-Gearman-Client-Async] Specify all dependencies

2013-07-19 Thread Petr Pisar
commit fe4fa90c0ef490415b0ca3cc2058401234e56e1a Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jul 19 19:22:01 2013 +0200 Specify all dependencies perl-Gearman-Client-Async.spec | 48 ++-- 1 files changed, 36 insertions(+), 12 deletions(-) --- diff

[Bug 892597] Review Request: glite-lb-types - Build-time component for gLite LB

2013-07-19 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=892597 --- Comment #16 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org --- glite-lb-types-2.0.7-2.el6 has been pushed to the Fedora EPEL 6 stable repository. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. Unsubscribe

[perl-NetPacket-SpanningTree] Compatibility with perl 5.18

2013-07-19 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 4cbff5d3e38e363435d2b103d7718d425ac8af03 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Sat Jul 20 07:26:45 2013 +0200 Compatibility with perl 5.18 01-qw-does-not-imply-parentheses-anymore.patch | 40 perl-NetPacket-SpanningTree.spec |4

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 02:41:23AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: - Original Message - On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: Hi all, as a new Fedora Python maintainer, I have set myself a goal of moving Fedora to Python 3 as a default. I'm not