Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-19 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Thu, 2013-12-19 at 09:52 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: >> Didn't we have a mass rebuild due to a C++ ABI change 1 or 2 years >> ago? > > Standard C++ does not specify an ABI. Compilers get to handle that > themselves. > Correct (which c

Re: Rawhide unannounced ABI bumps: gnome-bluetooth

2013-12-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-12-19 at 14:12 +, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 19 December 2013 04:31, Adam Williamson wrote: > > gnome-bluetooth-3.11.3-1.fc21 (built yesterday) seems to have gone from > > libgnome-bluetooth.so.12 to libgnome-bluetooth.so.13 and dropped > > libgnome-bluetooth-applet.so.0 entirely.

[Test-Announce] 2013-12-23 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2013-12-19 Thread Adam Williamson
# Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting # Date: 2013-12-23 # Time: 16:00 UTC (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto) # Location: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net Greetings testers! We have a meeting slot on 12-23 - it's two days before Christmas, but lots of keen cookies expressed

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-19 Thread Jerry James
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Orcan Ogetbil wrote: >> Didn't we have a mass rebuild due to a C++ ABI change 1 or 2 years ago? > > The latest C++ ABI change was with g++ 3.4 (April 18, 2004). g++ 4.0 kept > the 3.4 ABI and so did all 4.x releases. He's probably talking abo

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-19 Thread Kevin Kofler
Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > Didn't we have a mass rebuild due to a C++ ABI change 1 or 2 years ago? The latest C++ ABI change was with g++ 3.4 (April 18, 2004). g++ 4.0 kept the 3.4 ABI and so did all 4.x releases. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://adm

Re: Packages no in F-20 tree

2013-12-19 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 12/19/2013 05:53 AM, Tim Niemueller wrote: Hi Fedorians. Today I tried to install a first lab machine with F-20. Unfortunately, my beloved kickstart returned quite a few problems with missing packages, several of which I maintain. Examples of such packages are xavante, lua-wsapi, or graphviz.

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-19 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > In case of 3 you would never update an container you would replace it > with a new container ( or App image rather ) which contains the > update/upgrade and delete the old container or in case of Gnome with a > new "App image" If I understood Alexander correctly at th

Re: really stop "really" commits (really!)

2013-12-19 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 2:17 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Sorry, but that is not accidental comment. > > First of all, we are working with git. I have local clone of git repository > and I am free to commit whatever I consider to be committed. And I assume > that you know that you can later edit/squas

Re: setuptools status on Fedora 20

2013-12-19 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 09:42:11PM +0530, Kushal Das wrote: > # setup > > ERROR - No tool descriptions found in /etc/setuptool.d or > /usr/share/setuptool/setuptool.d. > Kushal and I did some debugging on this this morning and determined that it's the error message being a bit inaccurate. The to

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-12-18)

2013-12-19 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 13:00 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Some closed end of life bugs don't seem to be re-openable by the > reporter. Bugzilla admins say this should work, but there's been some > in person reports where it doesn't. Our end of life message tells > reporters to re-open and set to the

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-12-18)

2013-12-19 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 21:40 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > Individual that tells that truth and shed's light how RH operates. > > Since you are not aware of it Red Hat invented the position of Fedora > QA > Community Manager ( I dont know who but I would very much like to > meet > that

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-12-18)

2013-12-19 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 22:04 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > The EOL process does not improve the user or contributor experience > et > all it's entire existence does quite the opposite. > > If we could go with out it we would. Bugzilla is much less useful when it cannot be kept clean. R

EPEL Fedora 5 updates-testing report

2013-12-19 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 5 Security updates need testing: Age URL 606 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5630/bugzilla-3.2.10-5.el5 120 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2013-11276/ssmtp-2.61-21.el5 96 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDO

EPEL Fedora 6 updates-testing report

2013-12-19 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 6 Security updates need testing: Age URL 606 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5620/bugzilla-3.4.14-2.el6 120 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2013-11274/ssmtp-2.61-21.el6 62 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDO

Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2013-12-19 17:00 UTC)

2013-12-19 Thread James Antill
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC meeting Thursday at 2013-12-19 17:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. Local time information (via. rktime): 2013-12-19 09:00 Thu US/Pacific PST 2013-12-19 12:00 Thu US/Eastern EST 2013-12-19 1

Re: Should a working fedup in Fedora N's stable repository be a release criterion for N+1?

2013-12-19 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 19:54 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > Admittedly, the FedUp page says "Be sure to get the latest release, > this may involve enabling updates-testing (yum > --enablerepo=updates-testing install fedup in the command line)." > > I think this is silly. Maybe using the updates

mkproject & tw obsoleted by codemiscs, codemiscs not packaged

2013-12-19 Thread Juan Manuel Borges Caño
*mkproject* and *tw* are becoming obsolete in favour of another single merger project that reduces packaging and syndication efforts: *codemiscs* . *Obsoleted, yet practically orphaned:* * mkproject - command line project generator < https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/mkproject> * t

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-19 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, 2013-12-19 at 09:52 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > Didn't we have a mass rebuild due to a C++ ABI change 1 or 2 years > ago? Standard C++ does not specify an ABI. Compilers get to handle that themselves. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-19 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On fim 19.des 2013 14:40, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 6:05 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: In case of 3 you would never update an container you would replace it with a new container ( or App image rather ) which contains the update/upgrade and delete the old container or i

Re: setuptools status on Fedora 20

2013-12-19 Thread Kushal Das
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > Are there files inside of /etc/setuptool.d ? Does rpm -V setuptool tell you > any files are missing? Nope :( > > $ rpm -qpl setuptool-1.19.11-7.fc20.x86_64.rpm |grep setuptool.d > /etc/setuptool.d > /etc/setuptool.d/98netconfig > /etc/se

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2013-12-18)

2013-12-19 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2013-12-18) === Meeting started by abadger1999 at 18:02:28 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-12-18/fesco.2013-12-18-18.02.log.html . Meeting summar

F-19 icon scrambling puzzle

2013-12-19 Thread Jerry James
This morning I ran "yum upgrade", as customary. Three packages updated: asymptote, python-rhsm, and yum. Now my GNOME icons are scrambled. Of the 3 packages, only 1 has a desktop file: asymptote. It does not use these scriptlets: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#Icon_C

Re: setuptools status on Fedora 20

2013-12-19 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 07:43:40AM -0500, Jared K. Smith wrote: > On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Kushal Das wrote: > > ERROR - No tool descriptions found in /etc/setuptool.d or > /usr/share/setuptool/setuptool.d. > > Are we going to deprecate the package ? > > > Not that I'm awar

Libzip 0.11.2 in F >= 20

2013-12-19 Thread Remi Collet
Hi, I just update libzip to new version 0.11.2 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libzip-0.11.2-1.fc20 From abi-compliance-checker, no ABI change http://rpms.famillecollet.com/compat_reports/libzip/1.11.1_to_1.11.2/compat_report.html Remi. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.o

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-19 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > You can, for example, use C++, which is a stable standard (a new version was > published 2 years ago, but almost all C++98 code compiles unchanged as > C++11), and Qt, which keeps a stable API and ABI throughout a major version > (the interval

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-19 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 6:05 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > In case of 3 you would never update an container you would replace it with a > new container ( or App image rather ) which contains the update/upgrade and > delete the old container or in case of Gnome with a new "App image" If I >

Re: Rawhide unannounced ABI bumps: gnome-bluetooth

2013-12-19 Thread Richard Hughes
On 19 December 2013 04:31, Adam Williamson wrote: > gnome-bluetooth-3.11.3-1.fc21 (built yesterday) seems to have gone from > libgnome-bluetooth.so.12 to libgnome-bluetooth.so.13 and dropped > libgnome-bluetooth-applet.so.0 entirely. Yup, I guess that's my fault. I run mclazy to update the GNOME

Re: Rawhide unannounced ABI bumps: gnome-bluetooth

2013-12-19 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Yep, it's that time again, folks. I see errors in my daily update > indicating an unannounced API/ABI bump. > > gnome-bluetooth-3.11.3-1.fc21 (built yesterday) seems to have gone from > libgnome-bluetooth.so.12 to libgnome-bluetooth.so.13 a

Re: Rawhide unannounced ABI bumps: gnome-bluetooth

2013-12-19 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Yep, it's that time again, folks. I see errors in my daily update > indicating an unannounced API/ABI bump. > > gnome-bluetooth-3.11.3-1.fc21 (built yesterday) seems to have gone from > libgnome-bluetooth.so.12 to libgnome-bluetooth.so.13

Packages no in F-20 tree

2013-12-19 Thread Tim Niemueller
Hi Fedorians. Today I tried to install a first lab machine with F-20. Unfortunately, my beloved kickstart returned quite a few problems with missing packages, several of which I maintain. Examples of such packages are xavante, lua-wsapi, or graphviz. I have looked in Koji and they have been built

Re: setuptools status on Fedora 20

2013-12-19 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Kushal Das wrote: > ERROR - No tool descriptions found in /etc/setuptool.d or > /usr/share/setuptool/setuptool.d. > > Are we going to deprecate the package ? Not that I'm aware of -- I wonder if you're hitting some sort of side effect of https://fedoraproject.or

Re: Creating SRPM without rpmbuild

2013-12-19 Thread Florian Weimer
On 12/19/2013 01:15 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote: I need to prepare SRPM on machine where I have limited access and cannot install rpmbuild. You could compile rpm from sources and use that. > It's Debian based. I think Debian has a working rpmbuild, but it obviously doesn't help if you aren't all

setuptools status on Fedora 20

2013-12-19 Thread Kushal Das
Hi all, I just installed setuptools on Fedora 20 and got this. # setup ERROR - No tool descriptions found in /etc/setuptool.d or /usr/share/setuptool/setuptool.d. Are we going to deprecate the package ? Kushal -- http://fedoraproject.org http://kushaldas.in -- devel mailing list devel@lists.