EPEL Fedora 6 updates-testing report

2014-04-03 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 6 Security updates need testing: Age URL 711 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5620/bugzilla-3.4.14-2.el6 58 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2014-0440/fwsnort-1.6.4-1.el6 53

Re: Heads up: retiring xorg-x11-drv-mouse and xorg-x11-drv-keyboard

2014-04-03 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 12:40:45AM -0400, Gary Gatling wrote: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@who-t.netwrote: My plan is to retire these two xorg input drivers in rawhide in a week or two. They are superseded by the evdev driver which is the default driver

Re: bumblebee reviewer needed (Was: Re: Heads up: retiring xorg-x11-drv-mouse and xorg-x11-drv-keyboard)

2014-04-03 Thread Simone Caronni
On 3 April 2014 06:50, Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.com wrote: Just another note that due to my knowledge on optimus I decide to drop the review of bumblebee[1], and someone told me it's just a dirty hack. I personally think it as a hack as well. Problems with Nouveau performance and

Re: F21 System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation

2014-04-03 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:27 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote: ** possibly adjust spec files to require or build-require lbzip2 instead of bzip2. Is this necessary? I don't think so. A better way would be to change them to depend on the actual executables they use,

Packaging of libdb-6+

2014-04-03 Thread Jan Staněk
Hello, as Oracle is unlikely to re-license the libdb6 back to GPL, I like to bring up the possibility of the libdb6 package. The idea is that the current libdb package would still provide the libdb-5+, which is still under GPL, and the new package would provide the newest, AGPL-ed libdb. I would

Re: Packaging of libdb-6+

2014-04-03 Thread H . Guémar
Since AGPL is fedora-compliant license, there's no blocker to get libdb6 into packages collection. Besides, libdb5 is still critical for many packages (like RM), until we get rid of it, I can only agree with your proposal. Maybe, it's still time to rename the current libdb = libdb5 and get newer

Re: F21 System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation

2014-04-03 Thread Mikolaj Izdebski
On 04/03/2014 03:47 AM, Chris Adams wrote: Many of the common users (such as rpm) are linked against the library and don't use the command, so they won't be impacted. rpm does use bzip2 *command* and it would be impacted by this change. rpm uses libbz2 only for compression and decompression

Self Introduction: Oden Eriksson

2014-04-03 Thread Oden Eriksson
Hello, Been active with packaging, productization and maintaining packages for Mandriva Linux since 1999 and thought I should give it a try at fedora. First cut is this one: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1083962 And, it seems I need a sponsor here. Anyone? Cheers. -- devel

Re: F21 System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation

2014-04-03 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Mikolaj Izdebski mizde...@redhat.com wrote: rpm does use bzip2 *command* To be more precise, I believe only rpmbuild does. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct:

[Bug 1081883] perl-Scriptalicious-1.16 tests hang randomly

2014-04-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1081883 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|MODIFIED Fixed In

Re: Meeting minutes from Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-04-01)

2014-04-03 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 04/03/2014 03:46 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: I saw that this got voted on in the meeting even though it didn't get recorded as such for the meeting minutes. The proposal seemed to be: use obs-sign to sign packages. That's not actually a proposal that we can approve here. The proposal here

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

2014-04-03 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2014-04-02 at 19:15 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 02:12:50PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: How does someone express strong disagreement to this change ? Posting here is a good start. You can also add a note in the FESCo ticket for approval once one is filed, and if

Re: Meeting minutes from Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-04-01)

2014-04-03 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 04/03/2014 02:29 PM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: On 04/03/2014 03:46 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: I saw that this got voted on in the meeting even though it didn't get recorded as such for the meeting minutes. The proposal seemed to be: use obs-sign to sign packages. That's not actually a proposal

Re: Heads up: retiring xorg-x11-drv-mouse and xorg-x11-drv-keyboard

2014-04-03 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-03 6:09 GMT+02:00 Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@who-t.net: This _will_ break some setups. If you have AutoAddDevices off in your xorg.conf then this will break. The main question to ask here is: do these setups still exist and if so why do you have that option set and can we fix the

Re: Packaging of libdb-6+

2014-04-03 Thread Honza Horak
On 04/03/2014 11:20 AM, H. Guémar wrote: Since AGPL is fedora-compliant license, there's no blocker to get libdb6 into packages collection. Besides, libdb5 is still critical for many packages (like RM), until we get rid of it, I can only agree with your proposal. Maybe, it's still time to

Re: F21 System Wide Change: RPM-4.12

2014-04-03 Thread Mikolaj Izdebski
On 04/02/2014 07:47 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: * Support for weak dependencies Does this mean that rpm-build will be able to create packages with weak dependencies? Will Fedora packages be allowed to declare weak dependencies? Is dependency generator interface going to be extended so that we

Re: Heads up: retiring xorg-x11-drv-mouse and xorg-x11-drv-keyboard

2014-04-03 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 16:35 +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: If fixes the problem but that doesn't tell the whole story. You have a conf that implicitly says load the mouse driver and then fails because you didn't have the mouse driver installed. Which is fair enough, the question here is why is

Re: GnuTLS issue (Mandos Server/Client)

2014-04-03 Thread Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
On Wed, 2014-04-02 at 10:50 -0600, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: CentOS 6 = gnutls 2.8.5 F20 = gnutls 3.1.20 The server is a python app and sets the priority string as follows: priority=SECURE256:!CTYPE-X.509:+CTYPE-OPENPGP this is fed to some gnutls function somewhere in the stack. Does

[Bug 1084058] New: perl-MooseX-Types-DateTime-MoreCoercions-0.11-2.fc21 FTBFS

2014-04-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1084058 Bug ID: 1084058 Summary: perl-MooseX-Types-DateTime-MoreCoercions-0.11-2.fc21 FTBFS Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-MooseX-Types-DateTime-MoreCoercions

Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
Hey, so the time has come to consider this - thanks to the great work of Richard and Kalev on the copr, we have a set of 3.12 packages that have already received fairly wide testing. But we should be careful, so I want to ask for concrete problem reports with the copr packages, besides

[Bug 1084058] perl-MooseX-Types-DateTime-MoreCoercions-0.11-2.fc21 FTBFS

2014-04-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1084058 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED Fixed In

Re: Heads up: retiring xorg-x11-drv-mouse and xorg-x11-drv-keyboard

2014-04-03 Thread Gary Gatling
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: I think the goal _is_ to not add any devices, yes. Bumblebee is basically a second X server to run on the nvidia gpu and pipe the pixels off that to the integrated gpu. So input only ever happens on the integrated gpu's

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

2014-04-03 Thread quickbooks office
This change will not affect logging into the console using the local account and then doing su to get root privileges. Is there a problem with logging into the local user account and then typing su and the root password? You are as such prompted to make a local user account when doing an install

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

2014-04-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.04.2014 16:32, schrieb quickbooks office: This change will not affect logging into the console using the local account and then doing su to get root privileges. Is there a problem with logging into the local user account and then typing su and the root password? i do *not* need a

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

2014-04-03 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 07:32 -0700, quickbooks office wrote: This change will not affect logging into the console using the local account and then doing su to get root privileges. What local account ? Is there a problem with logging into the local user account and then typing su and the root

Re: F21 System Wide Change: RPM-4.12

2014-04-03 Thread Rex Dieter
Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: Re: F21 System Wide Change: RPM-4.12 From: Mikolaj Izdebski mizde...@redhat.com Reply-To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Thursday, April 03, 2014 08:54:18 AM To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Groups:

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 10:20:30AM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: Did any of your gnome-shell extensions break ? Isn't this inevitable? If any extensions only claim to support 3.10 then they'll stop working until updated. -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org -- devel mailing list

Re: Heads up: retiring xorg-x11-drv-mouse and xorg-x11-drv-keyboard

2014-04-03 Thread Gary Gatling
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Gary Gatling gsgat...@ncsu.edu wrote: Thanks a lot for the feedback. I have asked the developers for input. I opened a issue of the github issue tracker here: https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/issues/568 After further experimentation it

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-03 16:52 GMT+02:00 Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org: On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 10:20:30AM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: Did any of your gnome-shell extensions break ? Isn't this inevitable? If any extensions only claim to support 3.10 then they'll stop working until updated.

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

2014-04-03 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, quickbooks office quickbooks.off...@gmail.com said: This change will not affect logging into the console using the local account and then doing su to get root privileges. The only local account on many (most?) systems with network authentication is root. -- Chris Adams

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

2014-04-03 Thread Paul Wouters
On Thu, 3 Apr 2014, Simo Sorce wrote: On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 07:32 -0700, quickbooks office wrote: This change will not affect logging into the console using the local account and then doing su to get root privileges. What local account ? Is there a problem with logging into the local user

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 04:57:10PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: 2014-04-03 16:52 GMT+02:00 Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org: Isn't this inevitable? If any extensions only claim to support 3.10 then they'll stop working until updated. One, at least theoretical, way to resolve this would

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/03/2014 02:20 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: Hey, so the time has come to consider this - thanks to the great work of Richard and Kalev on the copr, we have a set of 3.12 packages that have already received fairly wide testing. But we should be careful, so I want to ask for concrete problem

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/2014 10:52 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 10:20:30AM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: Did any of your gnome-shell extensions break ? Isn't this inevitable? If any extensions only claim to support 3.10 then they'll

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread drago01
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/03/2014 02:20 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: Hey, so the time has come to consider this - thanks to the great work of Richard and Kalev on the copr, we have a set of 3.12 packages that have already received

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/2014 11:07 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 04/03/2014 02:20 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: Hey, so the time has come to consider this - thanks to the great work of Richard and Kalev on the copr, we have a set of 3.12 packages that

[Bug 1084093] New: perl-CPAN-Inject-1.14-4.fc21 FTBFS in non-koji mock

2014-04-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1084093 Bug ID: 1084093 Summary: perl-CPAN-Inject-1.14-4.fc21 FTBFS in non-koji mock Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-CPAN-Inject Assignee: jples...@redhat.com

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 03:52:49PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Did any of your gnome-shell extensions break ? Isn't this inevitable? If any extensions only claim to support 3.10 then they'll stop working until updated. I've had a pretty good experience here this time around. Almost

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 11:11:58AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: One option we could look into would be for GNOME to set this option on by default for a month or so to give extension authors time to catch up while not breaking any user extension that works unmodified. My understanding was

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 04:23:02PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: One option we could look into would be for GNOME to set this option on by default for a month or so to give extension authors time to catch up while not breaking any user extension that works unmodified. My understanding was

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Andre Robatino
Matthias Clasen mclasen at redhat.com writes: Did any of your gnome-shell extensions break ? gnome-shell-extension-fedmsg is still not working in Rawhide (see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1045669 ). This only affects Fedora so thought I should mention it here. -- devel

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/03/2014 03:15 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Also, as someone who has been testing this update in the COPR for about a month now Did you ( and others ) run through QA release blocking test cases for Gnome or is this more I have been running Gnome for about a month now kinda thing? ,

Re: F21 System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation

2014-04-03 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-02 19:24 GMT+02:00 Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com: = Proposed System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/lbzip2 While the speedup is desirable, it's not really obvious that this is the right time to do the change. Looking

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/03/2014 04:20 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: Hey, so the time has come to consider this - thanks to the great work of Richard and Kalev on the copr, we have a set of 3.12 packages that have already received fairly wide testing. But we should be careful, so I want to ask for concrete problem

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 06:09:43PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: You didn't mention the most important question: Did the API or ABI change in backward-incompatible way? If the answer to this question is yes, then the answer to updating to gnome-3.12 needs to be no, because such changes in

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/03/2014 04:22 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Now, in reading that policy, there are quite a few things that match the Things that would make it less likely to grant a request list. But, on the other hand, by having a longer-than-typical Fedora release cycle this time around, we are already in

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

2014-04-03 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-03 15:06 GMT+02:00 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com: On Wed, 2014-04-02 at 19:15 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 02:12:50PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: How does someone express strong disagreement to this change ? Posting here is a good start. You can also add a note

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

2014-04-03 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-02 20:12 GMT+02:00 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com: On Wed, 2014-04-02 at 09:12 -0700, quickbooks office wrote: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default All the info has been sitting here @ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/securetty_file_is_empty_by_default I

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 16:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 04/03/2014 04:22 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Now, in reading that policy, there are quite a few things that match the Things that would make it less likely to grant a request list. But, on the other hand, by having a

Re: GnuTLS issue (Mandos Server/Client)

2014-04-03 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 16:05 +0200, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: On Wed, 2014-04-02 at 10:50 -0600, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: CentOS 6 = gnutls 2.8.5 F20 = gnutls 3.1.20 The server is a python app and sets the priority string as follows:

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: Did any of your gnome-shell extensions break ? Yes but I got updates for most of them. Couple of them are still broken https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/8/places-status-indicator/

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Gerard Ryan
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: Did you experience crashes or other serious problems with applications ? Hi Matthias, I had a problem with the new totem/Videos having a non-responsive UI. I'm away on a work assignment until the 13th so unfortunately I

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 01:09:32PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: And I have yet to see any request have been made to the test list to at least do the same validation on Gnome as is done before we release an new GA release. Note that I am not asking about armchair opinions about whether this

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread drago01
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: will that below ever get fixed in F20? Maybe ... maybe not. should i file a bug against the distribution? No .. this makes no sense. should i file a bug against Red Hat as upstream employer? Neither does this

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.04.2014 19:47, schrieb drago01: Note: I didn't look at the bugs then please don't answer at all signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread drago01
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 03.04.2014 19:47, schrieb drago01: Note: I didn't look at the bugs then please don't answer at all What I wrote does not depend on what the bugs actually are. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.04.2014 19:54, schrieb drago01: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 03.04.2014 19:47, schrieb drago01: Note: I didn't look at the bugs then please don't answer at all What I wrote does not depend on what the bugs actually are it does

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 03.04.2014 19:54, schrieb drago01: Am 03.04.2014 19:47, schrieb drago01: What I wrote does not depend on what the bugs actually are it does No. You are not entitled to escalate it to any employer unless you have a

Re: F21 System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation

2014-04-03 Thread Mikolaj Izdebski
On 04/03/2014 06:08 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Looking at http://lbzip2.org/news , lbzip2 is still fixing crashes during compression and decompression. That's rather troubling: we need the bzip2 implementation to be roughly as stable as file system*.* They say that every non-trivial piece of

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 19:31 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: and if someone asks why i called Lennart in #1072368 names We didn't, and no justification would matter. It's not acceptable behaviour, and you need to knock it off. - ajax -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.04.2014 20:00, schrieb Adam Jackson: On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 19:31 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: and if someone asks why i called Lennart in #1072368 names We didn't, and no justification would matter. It's not acceptable behaviour, and you need to knock it off. i know that - on the

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Elad Alfassa
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Gerard Ryan gali...@fedoraproject.orgwrote: I had a problem with the new totem/Videos having a non-responsive UI. Probably https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=725063 -- -Elad Alfassa. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Packaging of libdb-6+

2014-04-03 Thread Paul Howarth
On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:53:04 +0200 Honza Horak hho...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/03/2014 11:20 AM, H. Guémar wrote: Since AGPL is fedora-compliant license, there's no blocker to get libdb6 into packages collection. Besides, libdb5 is still critical for many packages (like RM), until we get

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 03.04.2014 20:00, schrieb Adam Jackson: On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 19:31 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: and if someone asks why i called Lennart in #1072368 names We didn't, and no justification would matter. It's not

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.04.2014 21:44, schrieb Martin Langhoff: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 03.04.2014 20:00, schrieb Adam Jackson: On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 19:31 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: and if someone asks why i called Lennart in #1072368 names We

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Bad behavior in response to bad behavior just feeds a positive feedback cycle ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_feedback ). The way to break out of it is for the person you control (namely YOU) to behave well. If others don't do so, things can calmly escalate and proper measures taken.

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.04.2014 22:04, schrieb Kevin Fenzi: Bad behavior in response to bad behavior just feeds a positive feedback cycle ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_feedback ). The way to break out of it is for the person you control (namely YOU) to behave well. If others don't do so, things

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 19:31 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: will that below ever get fixed in F20? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1072368 The developer does not consider it to be a bug. You may disagree, but so far, you don't seem to have convinced him or any other systemd developers

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Richard Hughes
On 3 April 2014 20:00, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: We didn't, and no justification would matter. It's not acceptable behaviour, and you need to knock it off. I'm not the only developer considering unsubscribing from fedora-devel because of emails like the original email. Either the

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.04.2014 22:32, schrieb Adam Williamson: On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 19:31 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: will that below ever get fixed in F20? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1072368 The developer does not consider it to be a bug. You may disagree, but so far, you don't seem

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 03.04.2014 22:32, schrieb Adam Williamson: On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 19:31 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: will that below ever get fixed in F20? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1072368 The developer does not

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.04.2014 22:37, schrieb Richard Hughes: On 3 April 2014 20:00, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: We didn't, and no justification would matter. It's not acceptable behaviour, and you need to knock it off. I'm not the only developer considering unsubscribing from fedora-devel because

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.04.2014 22:46, schrieb Martin Langhoff: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 03.04.2014 22:32, schrieb Adam Williamson: On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 19:31 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: will that below ever get fixed in F20?

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 10:41:58PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1072368 The developer does not consider it to be a bug. You may disagree, but so far, you don't seem to have convinced him or any other systemd developers or, well, anyone else. than

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 22:37:19 +0200 Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 April 2014 20:00, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: We didn't, and no justification would matter. It's not acceptable behaviour, and you need to knock it off. I'm not the only developer considering

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

2014-04-03 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/03/2014 10:32 AM, quickbooks office wrote: 3.1.4.2.2. Disabling Root Logins To further limit access to the root account, administrators can disable root logins at the console by editing the /etc/securetty file. This is done in the name of accountability, by forcing an administrative

Re: Heads up: retiring xorg-x11-drv-mouse and xorg-x11-drv-keyboard

2014-04-03 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 09:58:59AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 16:35 +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: If fixes the problem but that doesn't tell the whole story. You have a conf that implicitly says load the mouse driver and then fails because you didn't have the mouse

Re: [CHANGE PROPOSAL] The securetty file is empty by default

2014-04-03 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@nist.gov wrote: On 04/03/2014 10:32 AM, quickbooks office wrote: 3.1.4.2.2. Disabling Root Logins To further limit access to the root account, administrators can disable root logins at the console by editing the

sextractor license change

2014-04-03 Thread Sergio Pascual
sextractor (source extraction from astronomical images) has change its license from CeCiLL to GPLv3+ in upstream version 2.19.5 Regards -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct:

swarp license change

2014-04-03 Thread Sergio Pascual
swarp (astronomical imaging resampling and coadding) has change its license from CeCILL to GPLv3+ in upstream version 2.38.0 Regards, Sergio Pascual -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct:

Reinstalling the bootloader

2014-04-03 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
Once upon a time (Fedora 15? -- I've lost track), it was possible to reinstall the bootloader using grub-install. Nowadays it's a clusterfsck. I've managed to screw up my bootloader. Is there a way to reinstall it without reinstalling the world? Would it make sense to split the whole

Re: Reinstalling the bootloader

2014-04-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.04.2014 03:08, schrieb Andrew Lutomirski: Once upon a time (Fedora 15? -- I've lost track), it was possible to reinstall the bootloader using grub-install. besides that it is the wrong list: grub2-install Nowadays it's a clusterfsck. I've managed to screw up my bootloader. Is

[perl-HTML-FormatText-WithLinks/el6] new package for el6

2014-04-03 Thread Rüdiger Landmann
commit 6ada91085a2fa69ef7fc111ad871505bc4bf596d Author: Ruediger Landmann r.landm...@redhat.com Date: Thu Apr 3 14:05:56 2014 +1000 new package for el6 perl-HTML-FormatText-WithLinks.spec | 115 --- 1 files changed, 26 insertions(+), 89 deletions(-) ---

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/03/2014 06:22 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 06:09:43PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: You didn't mention the most important question: Did the API or ABI change in backward-incompatible way? If the answer to this question is yes, then the answer to updating to

Re: Reinstalling the bootloader

2014-04-03 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Apr 3, 2014 7:18 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 04.04.2014 03:08, schrieb Andrew Lutomirski: Once upon a time (Fedora 15? -- I've lost track), it was possible to reinstall the bootloader using grub-install. besides that it is the wrong list: What's the right

Self Introduction: Michael McCune

2014-04-03 Thread Michael McCune
hi all, I'm writing today because I have just submitted my first package for review, huzzah! My name is Michael McCune and I am a newly minted associate at Red Hat. I have been a software developer for just shy of 20 years, doing most of my work in the embedded realm of automotive GPS

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 23:00 +0530, Gerard Ryan wrote: From what I remember, videos directly in my home directory were displayed as thumbnails on the main window and they would play fine. If I tried to add/open a local video from another location (even subdirectory of my home) by clicking on

Re: Reinstalling the bootloader

2014-04-03 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 18:08 -0700, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: Once upon a time (Fedora 15? -- I've lost track), it was possible to reinstall the bootloader using grub-install. Just wondering if you've read this page yet: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GRUB_2?rd=Grub2 -- Thanks, Warm regards,

Diagrams and images used in documentation

2014-04-03 Thread William Brown
Hi, What is the software that is used to make images like : http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/FreeIPA_Guide/images/IPA_arch.png Or http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html-single/System_Administrators_Guide/images/Network_Interfaces-bridge-with-bond.png I haven't

Re: Reinstalling the bootloader

2014-04-03 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Ankur Sinha sanjay.an...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 18:08 -0700, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: Once upon a time (Fedora 15? -- I've lost track), it was possible to reinstall the bootloader using grub-install. Just wondering if you've read this page yet:

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Rex Dieter
Matthias Clasen wrote: so the time has come to consider this - thanks to the great work of Richard and Kalev on the copr, we have a set of 3.12 packages that have already received fairly wide testing. I'll share here what I mentioned on desktop list... The gnome-3.12 copr includes a couple

Re: Diagrams and images used in documentation

2014-04-03 Thread Pete Travis
On Apr 3, 2014 9:27 PM, William Brown will...@firstyear.id.au wrote: Hi, What is the software that is used to make images like : http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/FreeIPA_Guide/images/IPA_arch.png Or

Re: Diagrams and images used in documentation

2014-04-03 Thread Kushal Das
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:57 AM, William Brown will...@firstyear.id.au wrote: Hi, What is the software that is used to make images like : http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/FreeIPA_Guide/images/IPA_arch.png Or

Re: Diagrams and images used in documentation

2014-04-03 Thread Suchakra
Libreoffice Draw works just fine too in some simpler cases. Inkscape however is more comprehensive. Libreoffice Draw can export in svg format also so that your graphic can later on be edited/enhanced in Inkscape. -- Suchakra On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:11 AM, Kushal Das kushal...@gmail.com wrote:

[Bug 1083915] New: perl-CPAN-Checksums-2.08-8.fc21 FTBFS in non-koji mock

2014-04-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1083915 Bug ID: 1083915 Summary: perl-CPAN-Checksums-2.08-8.fc21 FTBFS in non-koji mock Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-CPAN-Checksums Assignee: jples...@redhat.com

[Bug 1083915] perl-CPAN-Checksums-2.08-8.fc21 FTBFS in non-koji mock

2014-04-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1083915 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |ASSIGNED

[perl-CPAN-Checksums] Fix test skip-condition to pass in mock

2014-04-03 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 2f5171ebe57317144913e65115ad3082b3089106 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Thu Apr 3 09:13:12 2014 +0200 Fix test skip-condition to pass in mock CPAN-Checksums-2.08-New-signature.patch| 61

[Bug 1083960] New: perl-autodie-2.25 is available

2014-04-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1083960 Bug ID: 1083960 Summary: perl-autodie-2.25 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-autodie Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee:

[Bug 1083961] New: perl-Carp-1.3301 is available

2014-04-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1083961 Bug ID: 1083961 Summary: perl-Carp-1.3301 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-Carp Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee: ppi...@redhat.com

[Bug 1083964] New: perl-File-MimeInfo-0.24 is available

2014-04-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1083964 Bug ID: 1083964 Summary: perl-File-MimeInfo-0.24 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-File-MimeInfo Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee:

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