Re: [Fedora-packaging] Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2014-12-11 17:00 - 18:25 UTC)

2014-12-15 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:18:37AM +0700, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > > > On 12/13/2014 12:54 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 09:38:52AM -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - > >>> On 12/12/2014 03:18 PM, Bastien Nocera wro

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Change xorg input stack to use libinput

2014-12-15 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:38:50PM +, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 15/12/14 21:39, Peter Hutterer wrote: > >On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:15:41AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: > >>On 13/12/14 01:10, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> > >>>An additional objection I have to this change proposal is that libinput > >>>(de

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Change xorg input stack to use libinput

2014-12-15 Thread Tom Hughes
On 15/12/14 21:39, Peter Hutterer wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:15:41AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: On 13/12/14 01:10, Kevin Kofler wrote: An additional objection I have to this change proposal is that libinput (deliberately) only implements a small subset of the configurability of the old dr

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Change xorg input stack to use libinput

2014-12-15 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 02:10:18AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Jaroslav Reznik posted (and > > Change owner(s): Hans de Goede > wrote): > > > KDE: limits itself to standard X11 mouse config interfaces, no changes > > needed. > > Not true. We ship kcm_touchpad on the KDE spin, which definitely d

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Change xorg input stack to use

2014-12-15 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 03:38:04PM +0100, Rave it wrote: > Am Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:00:07 + > schrieb devel-announce-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org: > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:42:11 +0100 > > From: Jaroslav Reznik > > To: devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > Subject:

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Change xorg input stack to use libinput

2014-12-15 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:15:41AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 13/12/14 01:10, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > >An additional objection I have to this change proposal is that libinput > >(deliberately) only implements a small subset of the configurability of the > >old drivers, and thus, if we are going

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014, at 02:17 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > and then a > 'systemctl mask ...' command to mask dnf makecache timer/service using > sudo/su"; This one should help with that one: https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf/pull/186 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedorapr

Re: Fedora Installation Needs Intelligence

2014-12-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 12:48:59 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: Ultimately the user would have to go down the road of entirely proprietary drivers for such wireless cards. They still seem to be rather prolific. I have one in a laptop I inherited. I just needed to put the firmware in /usr/lib/fi

Re: Fedora Installation Needs Intelligence

2014-12-15 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 4:57 AM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > There are still wireless cards which do not work with Linux out of box? > (assuming that firmware is provided) I haven't checked anything newer than 18 months, but Apple hardware for a long time needs proprietary b43 firmware installed

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
/*Matthias Clasen*/ wrote on Mon, 15 Dec 2014 12:38:54 -0500: On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 18:01 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Robert Marcano wrote: I don't know why the time to rebuild rpms is important, updates are now applied at boot time, so rpms can be rebuilt with smaller nice/ionice before the us

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 18:01 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Robert Marcano wrote: >> > I don't know why the time to rebuild rpms is important, updates are now >> > applied at boot time, so rpms can be rebuilt with smaller nice/ionice >> > bef

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 01:29:21PM +, Richard Hughes wrote: > At the moment the PK front-ends only download when on wifi or wired. > Do you have an actual use-case for per-network configuration? I'd definitely like to select which wifi connections are used. I don't want to be eating up the cof

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 18:01 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Robert Marcano wrote: > > I don't know why the time to rebuild rpms is important, updates are now > > applied at boot time, so rpms can be rebuilt with smaller nice/ionice > > before the user reboots (on Workstation product). > > Offline upd

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Kevin Kofler
Robert Marcano wrote: > I don't know why the time to rebuild rpms is important, updates are now > applied at boot time, so rpms can be rebuilt with smaller nice/ionice > before the user reboots (on Workstation product). Offline updates are only a (mis)feature of the GNOME "Workstation" product. T

Re: Heads up: F21 LLVM rebase

2014-12-15 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2014-12-11 at 12:16 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > I've started staging an LLVM 3.5 rebase in F21. I hope to have > everything built by this Friday and the update available in testing by > Monday. Test feedback would be particularly appreciated on secondary > arches and radeonsi 3D hardware

Re: ssh problem with pkgs.fedoraproject.org

2014-12-15 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 11:00:15 + Yaniv Bronhaim wrote: > Hey, > > According to > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-June/199631.html > disabling selinux should do the trick, in my case it didn't really > help No? The case you are running to is very likely that same one... wh

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Robert Marcano
On 12/15/2014 10:15 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: On 15 December 2014 at 14:38, Reindl Harald wrote: ...grown up user expects "grown up" users (whatever that means) can do "gsettings set org.gnome.software download-updates false" Devices designed for not "grown up" users has settings to disabl

Re: Heads up: F21 LLVM rebase

2014-12-15 Thread Adam Jackson
On Sat, 2014-12-13 at 01:51 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > There can be only one version of LLVM in the whole distribution at a time. To be entirely fair this is a failing of upstream LLVM for not using symbol versioning on Linux. On OSX, where clearly most of LLVM's development happens, this isn'

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.12.2014 um 16:43 schrieb Richard Hughes: On 15 December 2014 at 15:07, Reindl Harald wrote: what a nice usability I don't think usability means what you think it means it means to have options visible and not burried in a windows like GNOME registry - make them visible in a GUI or j

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Richard Hughes
On 15 December 2014 at 15:07, Reindl Harald wrote: > what a nice usability I don't think usability means what you think it means. Richard. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/

[perl-Sys-Virt] Update to 1.2.11 release

2014-12-15 Thread Daniel P . Berrange
commit 66c057970a6e2c4c7951ed0391f1438e6ab2c7f5 Author: Daniel P. Berrange Date: Mon Dec 15 15:39:00 2014 + Update to 1.2.11 release perl-Sys-Virt.spec |5 - sources|2 +- 2 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Sys-Virt.spec b/pe

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Robert Marcano
On 12/15/2014 10:02 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: On 15 December 2014 at 14:08, Felix Schwarz wrote: Well I think the whole idea of "wifi === unmetered" is flawed. It's as good a metric as we've got. When you set up a personal bridge between UMTS/wifi, or even GPRS/wired there's no metadata on th

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.12.2014 um 15:45 schrieb Richard Hughes: On 15 December 2014 at 14:38, Reindl Harald wrote: ...grown up user expects "grown up" users (whatever that means) can do "gsettings set org.gnome.software download-updates false" what a nice usability signature.asc Description: OpenPGP dig

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Richard Hughes
On 15 December 2014 at 14:38, Reindl Harald wrote: > ...grown up user expects "grown up" users (whatever that means) can do "gsettings set org.gnome.software download-updates false" Richard -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/deve

Re: Firefox webrtc support in F21?

2014-12-15 Thread Martin Stransky
On 12/15/2014 03:25 PM, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: Hi, the WebRTC needs the h264 CISCO codec which was disabled in Fedora Firefox, see: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1155499 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1359 If you'd like to

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.12.2014 um 15:32 schrieb Richard Hughes: On 15 December 2014 at 14:08, Felix Schwarz wrote: Well I think the whole idea of "wifi === unmetered" is flawed. It's as good a metric as we've got. When you set up a personal bridge between UMTS/wifi, or even GPRS/wired there's no metadata on

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Richard Hughes
On 15 December 2014 at 14:08, Felix Schwarz wrote: > Well I think the whole idea of "wifi === unmetered" is flawed. It's as good a metric as we've got. When you set up a personal bridge between UMTS/wifi, or even GPRS/wired there's no metadata on the connection about this kind of setup. If the AP

[POC-change] Fedora packages point of contact updates

2014-12-15 Thread nobody
Change in package status over the last 168 hours 36 packages were orphaned - bash-completion [el6, el5] was orphaned by scop Programmable completion for Bash https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/bash-comple

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

2014-12-15 Thread Jaroslav Skarvada
- Original Message - > > > - Original Message - > > On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 14:44:59 -0700 > > "Nathanael D. Noblet" wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 2014-12-02 at 21:47 +0100, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > > > On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 06:30:57 +0100, Nathanael d. Noblet wrote: > > > > > I don't kno

Re: Firefox webrtc support in F21?

2014-12-15 Thread drago01
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: > Hi, > > the WebRTC needs the h264 CISCO codec which was disabled in Fedora Firefox, > see: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1155499 > https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1359 > > If you'd like to use the WebRTC (and Mozilla

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Robert Marcano
On 12/15/2014 09:38 AM, Felix Schwarz wrote: Am 15.12.2014 um 14:29 schrieb Richard Hughes: At the moment the PK front-ends only download when on wifi or wired. Do you have an actual use-case for per-network configuration? Well I think the whole idea of "wifi === unmetered" is flawed. For exam

Re: yum command dropped from @Core?

2014-12-15 Thread Jan Zelený
On 15. 12. 2014 at 14:03:45, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > It looks as if the 'yum' command has been dropped from the @Core > package group in the latest Rawhide. 'dnf' is there. > > That's all fine -- I was just checking this was an intentional change, > because I can't see any commit message abou

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Felix Schwarz
Am 15.12.2014 um 14:29 schrieb Richard Hughes: > At the moment the PK front-ends only download when on wifi or wired. > Do you have an actual use-case for per-network configuration? Well I think the whole idea of "wifi === unmetered" is flawed. For example I use a UMTS/Wifi router so I can use mul

Re: yum command dropped from @Core?

2014-12-15 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 02:03:45PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > It looks as if the 'yum' command has been dropped from the @Core > package group in the latest Rawhide. 'dnf' is there. > > That's all fine -- I was just checking this was an intentional change, > because I can't see any com

Re: Firefox webrtc support in F21?

2014-12-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:29:25 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: On 12/15/2014 09:12 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: the WebRTC needs the h264 CISCO codec Are you sure? I've always assumed that Mozilla was more in the WebM/VP8 camp. I believe they were both mandatory (required by the spec) in t

yum command dropped from @Core?

2014-12-15 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
It looks as if the 'yum' command has been dropped from the @Core package group in the latest Rawhide. 'dnf' is there. That's all fine -- I was just checking this was an intentional change, because I can't see any commit message about it in comps.git. (It's also possible my Fedora image building

Re: Firefox webrtc support in F21?

2014-12-15 Thread Antonio Trande
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/15/2014 11:24 AM, Nikos Roussos wrote: > On 12/15/2014 10:14 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: >> There's also a good page about it: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenH264 > > If h264 is not mandatory for Hello to operate, we could enable it >

Re: Fedora Installation Needs Intelligence

2014-12-15 Thread Corey Sheldon
if its the dell wifi its b43 or wl pkgs you need ive run into that before on dells Corey W Sheldon Freelance IT Consultant, Multi-Discipline Tutor 310.909.7672 www.facebook.com/1stclassmobileshine -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1 mQSuBFSFm3MRDADMQUFvE2zeREEV2+mARfGttXR0

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Dridi Boukelmoune
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > 2. I believe that the use should know, and more importantly be able to > control WHEN the repo data is being updated. At the very least, he should be > able to specify if the updates are automatic or not using a very user > friendly metho

Re: F22 Self Contained Change: Preupgrade Assistant

2014-12-15 Thread Petr Hracek
On 12/15/2014 09:18 AM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: On 12/11/2014 03:06 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained: Preupgrade Assistant = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Preupgrade_Assistant Change owner(s): Petr Hracek The Preugrade Assistant is a tool to help people upgrade from

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Richard Hughes
On 15 December 2014 at 13:09, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > 1. If PK really needs its own *copy* of the cache, that's OK (well, not OK > but acceptable), but IMHO it should not download it independently too. But yum/dnf only download the files it needs for the single operation, and not all the "matc

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Hedayat Vatankhah
/*Richard Hughes */ wrote on Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:37:27 +: On 13 December 2014 at 21:10, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: Surprisingly, PackageKit uses its own separate cache. Not surprising at all, when you're familiar with how PackageKit works. PackageKit has to accept transactions from clients

sharutils-4.14.2 changes license

2014-12-15 Thread Petr Pisar
Dear sharutils users, be aware that sharutils-4.14.2 changed license from GPLv3+ and LGPLv3+ and (LGPLv3+ or BSD) and LGPLv2+ and Public Domain and GFDL to GPLv3+ and (LGPLv3+ or BSD) and LGPLv2+ and Public Domain and GFDL That's because bundled gnulib changed licensening from LGPLv3+ to

rawhide report: 20141215 changes

2014-12-15 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon Dec 15 05:15:03 UTC 2014 Broken deps for i386 -- [3Depict] 3Depict-0.0.16-3.fc22.i686 requires libmgl.so.7.2.0 [Sprog] Sprog-0.14-27.fc20.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.0) [cab] cab-0.1.

Re: Firefox webrtc support in F21?

2014-12-15 Thread Nikos Roussos
On 12/15/2014 10:14 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: > There's also a good page about it: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenH264 If h264 is not mandatory for Hello to operate, we could enable it by default by changing the loop:throttled option. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signat

Re: Firefox webrtc support in F21?

2014-12-15 Thread Martin Stransky
On 12/15/2014 10:29 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: On 12/15/2014 09:12 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: the WebRTC needs the h264 CISCO codec Are you sure? I've always assumed that Mozilla was more in the WebM/VP8 camp. Yes, I may be wrong here. But it seems to be necessary for the Mozilla Hello ser

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Richard Hughes
On 13 December 2014 at 21:10, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: > Surprisingly, PackageKit uses its own separate cache. Not surprising at all, when you're familiar with how PackageKit works. PackageKit has to accept transactions from clients and return results very quickly. Just something as simple as SHA

Re: Firefox webrtc support in F21?

2014-12-15 Thread Florian Weimer
On 12/15/2014 09:12 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: the WebRTC needs the h264 CISCO codec Are you sure? I've always assumed that Mozilla was more in the WebM/VP8 camp. -- Florian Weimer / Red Hat Product Security -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.or

Re: Firefox webrtc support in F21?

2014-12-15 Thread nicolas . mailhot
Hi, You don't need open264 for webrtc, the only browsers that do webrtc today are Firefox and Chrome and they both use VP8. Open264 is an "in case IE Safari and other MPEG-LA clients eventually do webRTC without VP8" thing (right now they dont want to). And its has a very nasty patent license

Re: Bad default error policy causes printing issues and BIG usability issues

2014-12-15 Thread valent.turko...@gmail.com
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > > On 12/06/2014 10:29 AM, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Any of these actions is simple uses error but results in permanently >> disabling of priner (Stops printer) and users can't print even when they >> resolve issue that was stopping t

Re: Firefox webrtc support in F21?

2014-12-15 Thread Kushal Das
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Joachim Backes wrote: > Hi all, > > anybody knows if the webrtc support in firefox will be released in F21? > We use Firefox Hello to do video chat on Fedora 21 :) Kushal -- Fedora Cloud Engineer CPython Core Developer Director Python Software Foundation http://k

Re: F22 Self Contained Change: Preupgrade Assistant

2014-12-15 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 12/11/2014 03:06 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed Self Contained: Preupgrade Assistant = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Preupgrade_Assistant > > Change owner(s): Petr Hracek > > The Preugrade Assistant is a tool to help people upgrade from one release to > another and be su

Re: Firefox webrtc support in F21?

2014-12-15 Thread Martin Stransky
There's also a good page about it: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenH264 ma. On 12/15/2014 09:12 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: Hi, the WebRTC needs the h264 CISCO codec which was disabled in Fedora Firefox, see: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1155499 https://fedorahosted.org/fesc

Re: Firefox webrtc support in F21?

2014-12-15 Thread Martin Stransky
Hi, the WebRTC needs the h264 CISCO codec which was disabled in Fedora Firefox, see: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1155499 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1359 If you'd like to use the WebRTC (and Mozilla Hello service) in Fedora Firefox, go to about:config and set those

Re: fedup FC20 -> FC21 update conflicts

2014-12-15 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 12/10/2014 10:36 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > I imagine there will be fc21 packages for those eventually, so should I file > a bugzilla report on it, or go ahead with > the install and wait for the new versions? If reporting, would it be against > fedup or specific packages? Do not wait. I