Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: > What does the CLI-less-ness of Macs and their gazillion dollar industry have > to do with the rest of this discussion though? None really. I was just pushing back against the idea platform CLIness has anything to do with who is a dev

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming fromgnome-software and desktop environments

Richard Hughes wrote: > On 29 December 2014 at 20:30, Rave it wrote: >> Why did you a pull request to add a appdata file in mate upstream and >> waste other developers time? > > MATE can trivially run gnome-software to have whatever behaviour it > wants by setting a single environment variable,

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> >> Minor correction, CentOS is unbranded RHEL and Fedora is not RHEL >> upstream (so far as I am aware anyway). > > > That is incorrect. Fedora is upstream for RHEL and therefo

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

Hi On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Ian Malone wrote: > > Minor correction, CentOS is unbranded RHEL and Fedora is not RHEL > upstream (so far as I am aware anyway). > That is incorrect. Fedora is upstream for RHEL and therefore upstream for CentOS as well albeit, one step removed. Rahul -- d

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2014-12-29 23:01 GMT+02:00 Chris Murphy : > > OK, yes, my Macintosh Classic didn't have a cli. But the Macs back then > were > > much like feature phones are today. > > This is beside the point. However, even if feature phones had an > installable developer tools do you think you'd develop applica

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

On 27 December 2014 at 21:53, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2014-12-27 at 15:57 +0200, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: >> >> Actually we do have a VLTS (Very Long Term Support) release, CentOS, >> especially now that they've joined the family, but the connection is >> not immediately apparent. > >

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming fromgnome-software and desktop environments

On 29 December 2014 at 20:30, Rave it wrote: > Why did you a pull request to add a appdata file in mate upstream and waste > other developers time? MATE can trivially run gnome-software to have whatever behaviour it wants by setting a single environment variable, which I suggested they do over a

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

Am 29.12.2014 um 22:01 schrieb Chris Murphy: The real developers are those who are actively getting things done, and are not defined by what interface they're using. yes, and that's why the real developers need to get aware of *all* capabilities of their operating system and not got hidden u

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: > 2014-12-29 20:39 GMT+02:00 Chris Murphy : >> >> Nope. Vastly more popular than OS/2. > > > OK, yes, my Macintosh Classic didn't have a cli. But the Macs back then were > much like feature phones are today. This is beside the point. H

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

Am Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:47:33 + schrieb devel-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org: > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:18:04 + > From: Richard Hughes > To: Development discussions related to Fedora > > Subject: Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming > from

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming fromgnome-software and desktop environments

Am Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:47:33 + schrieb devel-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org: > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:18:04 + > From: Richard Hughes > To: Development discussions related to Fedora > > Subject: Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming > from

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Am Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:47:33 + schrieb devel-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org: > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:18:04 + > From: Richard Hughes > To: Development discussions related to Fedora > > Subject: Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming > from

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2014-12-29 20:39 GMT+02:00 Chris Murphy : > Nope. Vastly more popular than OS/2. > OK, yes, my Macintosh Classic didn't have a cli. But the Macs back then were much like feature phones are today. You got basic functionality in the standard package with the very beautiful UI and if you wanted to d

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Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

Am 29.12.2014 um 19:39 schrieb Chris Murphy: On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: 2014-12-29 19:25 GMT+02:00 Chris Murphy : From 1984 to 2001 there was a rather popular platform that didn't have a CLI. It wasn't hidden, it simply didn't exist. I take it you are r

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: > 2014-12-29 19:25 GMT+02:00 Chris Murphy : >> >> From 1984 to 2001 there was a rather popular platform that didn't have >> a CLI. It wasn't hidden, it simply didn't exist. > > > I take it you are referring to OS/2. Nope. Vastly more p

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Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2014-12-29 19:25 GMT+02:00 Chris Murphy : > From 1984 to 2001 there was a rather popular platform that didn't have > a CLI. It wasn't hidden, it simply didn't exist. > I take it you are referring to OS/2. It did have a cmd.exe. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fe

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > On 28 December 2014 at 17:32, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> >> On 12/29/2014 12:58 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Alec Leamas >>> wrote: Hm... developers which never touches the termina

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Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

On 29/12/14 16:18, Richard Hughes wrote: On 28 December 2014 at 15:48, Alec Leamas wrote: wouldn't it raise questions about the Gnome Software application's role in the workstation product? I don't think it does, no. I'm a Red Hat employee, a Fedora user, but also a GNOME developer. I'm not t

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:00 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: I.e. a Linux distro, which is not supporting terminals/editors as part of a "developer oriented distro" has not done its homework. We should support both terminal-oriented and IDE-oriented workflows. Right now, we have a terminal that wor

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

On 28 December 2014 at 15:48, Alec Leamas wrote: > wouldn't it raise questions about the Gnome Software application's role in > the workstation product? I don't think it does, no. I'm a Red Hat employee, a Fedora user, but also a GNOME developer. I'm not terribly keen pushing the tenet of "GNOME

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2014-12-29 14:10 GMT+02:00 Reindl Harald : > that's why i call it harmful try to hide the shell from users > Well, to be fair nobody is trying to hide the shell and GNOME terminal has received some love in the latest releases. Package suggestions in the terminal can be useful for beginners and fo

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

On 29/12/14 10:50, Richard Hughes wrote: On 29 December 2014 at 03:28, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: we either are going to have to get out of the way of the steamroller or get rolled over it. [cut] Linux isn't UNIX. The desktop doesn't revolve about command line tools anymore. If you can't a

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

Am 29.12.2014 um 10:50 schrieb Richard Hughes: On 29 December 2014 at 03:28, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: we either are going to have to get out of the way of the steamroller or get rolled over it. ...and the people trying to keep up are getting eggs thrown at them. I know lots of Red Hat de

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

Am 29.12.2014 um 04:28 schrieb Stephen John Smoogen: It is your age, and there has been nothing gradual about it.. Look the world has moved a lot in the last 30 years, and we have gone past the point where current developers are humouring us old folk for making jokes about IDE-operators no, i

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Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

On 29 December 2014 at 03:28, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > we either are going to have to get out of the way of the > steamroller or get rolled over it. ...and the people trying to keep up are getting eggs thrown at them. I know lots of Red Hat developers worn down by the low-level harassment on

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

On 12/29/2014 04:28 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 28 December 2014 at 17:32, Ralf Corsepius mailto:rc040...@freenet.de>> wrote: On 12/29/2014 12:58 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Alec Leamas mailto:leamas.a...@gmail.com>> wrote: