Re: Official archiver of Fedora mailing lists shows e-mails with one day delay!
> Sure Hyperkitty has drawbacks. Pipermail had drawbacks you complained > about too. You seem to win either way because you can complain if we > don't change stuff, and you can complain if we do change things. It is > really extremely tiring trying to deal with your constant > negativity... so I am going to stop doing so. I am one happy user of Spinics too. I find HyperKitty interface slow and buggy. The only way I am using HyperKitty is to post a message, and every time I find some issue which I have to go to a report process first. For example right now HyperKitty is not displaying comments of this thread for me, so to reply to a message I have to copy it from spinics to reply to it. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/UQ42U25FVNEEVHLHQHYQ46W65USIM4PE/ Reported the issue here: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/6759 There is also an issue with quotation where is taking the reply header from a previous poster. I just delete that header. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Official archiver of Fedora mailing lists shows e-mails with one day delay!
I forgot to say, it was between the hours 15-16 of 2 march (in local time) that I sent two e-mails to mentioned threads, but nor my e-mails and others e-mails was visible until 3 march 13:30-14:00. so it is actually 22-23 hours delay. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Official archiver of Fedora mailing lists shows e-mails with one day delay!
On Sat, 2018-03-03 at 18:30 +0100, Timotheus Pokorra wrote: > Hello Farhad, > > > https://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/threads.html#241887 > > > > Please do something for this problem, it is really bad situation > > you > > are waiting for e-mails and check the web page several times but > > you > > don't see anything! |: > > > > I don't think that spinics.net is the official archiver of the > Fedora > mailing lists. > > As far as I know, the official mailing list archive for the users > list > is located here: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproje > ct.org/2018/3/ > > and it seems to be uptodate as far as I can see... > Hello Here is a big mis-understanding!!, I know that official archiver is "https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/; not "spinics.net" my mean was exactly "https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/; which uses HyperKitty and I used it to open some threads, I know that HyperKitty has some advantages over traditional archive software, but it seems there are some problems here, I also mentioned in the original massage that: "I doubt to this situation and *searched internet* with *mentioned titles* and *found mentioned links* " I provided links from "spinics.net" just as reference comparison to "https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/; I am sure the problem was not from my web browser (Firefox ESR 52) because I opened archives even with "Private Mode" which does not store and use cache. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [ACTION NEEDED] Missing BuildRequires: gcc/gcc-c++
On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Igor Gnatenkowrote: > If you fixed package(s), found false positive, found missing packages in list > or anything else -- please let me know. Fixed: abc, gnofract4d, libedit, lrslib. The abe package does not actually need a C++ compiler for building on Linux. The configure script does check for a C++ compiler, for use with XCode on OS X. But only a C compiler is ever invoked on non-OS X platforms. This should be considered a false positive. The flocq and gappalib-coq packages share build-related files with several other projects by the same upstream. These two packages contain no C or C++ code, only coq proof files and a bit of ocaml code. One could argue that upstream should not bother checking for a C++ compiler in projects that contain no C++ code, but I will bet that upstream's response will be that it keeps things simpler to share configure scripts, etc., across all of the projects he maintains. I don't know why I am listed as being associated with the perl-Text-Aspell package. I haven't been a maintainer since 2011. In fact, I retired that package once Regards, -- Jerry James http://www.jamezone.org/ ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[Bug 1551252] New: perl-SNMP-Info-3.49 is available
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1551252 Bug ID: 1551252 Summary: perl-SNMP-Info-3.49 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-SNMP-Info Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee: w...@gouldfamily.org Reporter: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org CC: ktdre...@ktdreyer.com, perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org, w...@gouldfamily.org Latest upstream release: 3.49 Current version/release in rawhide: 3.47-1.fc29 URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/SNMP-Info/ Please consult the package updates policy before you issue an update to a stable branch: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy More information about the service that created this bug can be found at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upstream_release_monitoring Please keep in mind that with any upstream change, there may also be packaging changes that need to be made. Specifically, please remember that it is your responsibility to review the new version to ensure that the licensing is still correct and that no non-free or legally problematic items have been added upstream. Based on the information from anitya: https://release-monitoring.org/project/3318/ -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ perl-devel mailing list -- perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to perl-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: How do you bump fedora-repos-rawhide to f29?
On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 23:24:07 + (UTC) Philip Kovacswrote: > Alright I got around the catch-22 of dnf needing the f29 keys in > order to install the f29 keys with: dnf install --nogpgcheck > fedora-gpg-keys-29-0.1 > > That cleared the road for me. The latest fedora-gpg-keys package for F28 has the key for F29 in it, so if that is installed, it wouldn't be necessary to do the --nogpgcheck. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: How do you bump fedora-repos-rawhide to f29?
Alright I got around the catch-22 of dnf needing the f29 keys in order to install the f29 keys with: dnf install --nogpgcheck fedora-gpg-keys-29-0.1 That cleared the road for me. On Saturday, March 3, 2018 5:41 PM, Philip Kovacswrote: Yeah I'm living in the chaos of going from f28 rawhide to f29 rawhide. Thanks for the tips. On Saturday, March 3, 2018 5:26 PM, stan wrote: On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 21:15:22 + (UTC) Philip Kovacs wrote: > I would settle for knowledge of where the f29/rawhide gpg keys are > hidden so I import them. The "To Rawhide" instructions below are > outdated as they direct you to a page where the f29/rawhideare not > presented. Upgrading Fedora using package manager - Fedora Project > Wiki You can go here https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1047417 and here https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1047416 and grab the packages for f29 and install them using dnf -C update [list of packages] In the past, I've had good luck enabling rawhide just by commenting out the current repos, enabling the rawhide repos, and doing a dnf update when I've been 1 version below rawhide. I think things are somewhat chaotic between rawhide and F28 because there have been so few composes lately. So the direct install of the files is probably better. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: How do you bump fedora-repos-rawhide to f29?
Yeah I'm living in the chaos of going from f28 rawhide to f29 rawhide. Thanks for the tips. On Saturday, March 3, 2018 5:26 PM, stanwrote: On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 21:15:22 + (UTC) Philip Kovacs wrote: > I would settle for knowledge of where the f29/rawhide gpg keys are > hidden so I import them. The "To Rawhide" instructions below are > outdated as they direct you to a page where the f29/rawhideare not > presented. Upgrading Fedora using package manager - Fedora Project > Wiki You can go here https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1047417 and here https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1047416 and grab the packages for f29 and install them using dnf -C update [list of packages] In the past, I've had good luck enabling rawhide just by commenting out the current repos, enabling the rawhide repos, and doing a dnf update when I've been 1 version below rawhide. I think things are somewhat chaotic between rawhide and F28 because there have been so few composes lately. So the direct install of the files is probably better. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: How do you bump fedora-repos-rawhide to f29?
On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 21:15:22 + (UTC) Philip Kovacswrote: > I would settle for knowledge of where the f29/rawhide gpg keys are > hidden so I import them. The "To Rawhide" instructions below are > outdated as they direct you to a page where the f29/rawhideare not > presented. Upgrading Fedora using package manager - Fedora Project > Wiki You can go here https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1047417 and here https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1047416 and grab the packages for f29 and install them using dnf -C update [list of packages] In the past, I've had good luck enabling rawhide just by commenting out the current repos, enabling the rawhide repos, and doing a dnf update when I've been 1 version below rawhide. I think things are somewhat chaotic between rawhide and F28 because there have been so few composes lately. So the direct install of the files is probably better. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Broken dependencies: FreeSOLID
On samedi 3 mars 2018 23:09:56 CET Martin Gansser wrote: > Hi Kevin, > i made the mentioned changes, i hope it's correct. > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/FreeSOLID/blob/master/f/FreeSOLID.spec > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Yes it should work now. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Broken dependencies: FreeSOLID
> No. Please just remove the "Requires: qhull" from the .pc file in > FreeSOLID-2.1.1-pkgconfig.patch entirely. There is already "@QHULL_LIBS@" in > "Libs:" that links to the qhull libraries. > > You can add a "Requires: qhull-devel" to the RPM specfile (NOT the .pc file) > instead. > > You cannot have a Requires on a non-pkgconfig library in the .pc file. > > Kevin Kofler Hi Kevin, i made the mentioned changes, i hope it's correct. https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/FreeSOLID/blob/master/f/FreeSOLID.spec ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Official archiver of Fedora mailing lists shows e-mails with one day delay!
On 3 March 2018 at 14:00, Kevin Koflerwrote: > Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> That is correct. They are just one of many archivers on the internet >> that get emails from Fedora and redisplay them. [This is one of the >> reasons why people who ask us to remove their emails from the archives >> are asking an impossible task.. there are hundreds of web archivers >> and thousands of people who have copies of those emails and could put >> them up.] > > The reason people are using spinics.net is because it still shows the > messages in the familiar pipermail-like format. (Not sure whether they are > using some version of pipermail or a custom software that just imitates the > format.) HyperKitty has several drawbacks, e.g., it eats all indentation in > the mails. It is sad that Fedora no longer provides pipermail archives. > Sure Hyperkitty has drawbacks. Pipermail had drawbacks you complained about too. You seem to win either way because you can complain if we don't change stuff, and you can complain if we do change things. It is really extremely tiring trying to deal with your constant negativity... so I am going to stop doing so. > Kevin Kofler > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
How do you bump fedora-repos-rawhide to f29?
I would settle for knowledge of where the f29/rawhide gpg keys are hidden so I import them. The "To Rawhide" instructions below are outdated as they direct you to a page where the f29/rawhideare not presented. Upgrading Fedora using package manager - Fedora Project Wiki | | | Upgrading Fedora using package manager - Fedora Project Wiki | | | ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Meeting March 5 (Monday)
Hello folks, I'm out of luck in the last times... I just realised I'm likely to be offline at 16:00 this Monday as I'll be flying in the afternoon. So maybe I can attend later, or maybe not. I'm sorry for the inconvenience. The storm has thrown everything into chaos. Kind regards, Silvia FAS: Lailah ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: qt5 dependency problem
On 03/03/2018 01:20 PM, Christopher Brown wrote: On 02/24/2018 02:15 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: On Sat, 2018-02-24 at 17:45 +, Christopher Brown wrote: Hi, In trying to install trojita, I got the following error: $ sudo yum install trojita Loaded plugins: langpacks Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package trojita.x86_64 0:0.7-4.el7 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: libQt5WebKitWidgets.so.5(Qt_5)(64bit) for package: trojita-0.7-4.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libKF5Gpgmepp-pthread.so.5()(64bit) for package: trojita-0.7-4.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libKF5QGpgme.so.5()(64bit) for package: trojita-0.7-4.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libQt5WebKit.so.5()(64bit) for package: trojita-0.7-4.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libQt5WebKitWidgets.so.5()(64bit) for package: trojita-0.7-4.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libmimetic.so.0()(64bit) for package: trojita-0.7-4.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libqt5keychain.so.1()(64bit) for package: trojita-0.7-4.el7.x86_64 --> Running transaction check ---> Package kf5-gpgmepp.x86_64 0:16.04.3-1.el7 will be installed ---> Package mimetic.x86_64 0:0.9.8-6.el7 will be installed ---> Package qt5-qtwebkit.x86_64 0:5.6.2-1.el7 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: qt5-qtbase(x86-64) = 5.6.2 for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: qt5-qtdeclarative(x86-64) = 5.6.2 for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libQt5Positioning.so.5(Qt_5)(64bit) for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libQt5Sensors.so.5(Qt_5)(64bit) for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libQt5WebChannel.so.5(Qt_5)(64bit) for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libQt5Positioning.so.5()(64bit) for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libQt5Sensors.so.5()(64bit) for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libQt5WebChannel.so.5()(64bit) for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 ---> Package qtkeychain-qt5.x86_64 0:0.7.0-1.el7 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: qtkeychain(x86-64) = 0.7.0-1.el7 for package: qtkeychain-qt5-0.7.0-1.el7.x86_64 --> Running transaction check ---> Package qt5-qtlocation.x86_64 0:5.6.1-10.el7 will be installed ---> Package qt5-qtsensors.x86_64 0:5.6.1-10.el7 will be installed ---> Package qt5-qtwebchannel.x86_64 0:5.6.1-10.el7 will be installed ---> Package qt5-qtwebkit.x86_64 0:5.6.2-1.el7 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: qt5-qtbase(x86-64) = 5.6.2 for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: qt5-qtdeclarative(x86-64) = 5.6.2 for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 ---> Package qtkeychain.x86_64 0:0.7.0-1.el7 will be installed --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 (epel) Requires: qt5-qtbase(x86-64) = 5.6.2 Installed: qt5-qtbase-5.6.1-10.el7.x86_64 (@sl) qt5-qtbase(x86-64) = 5.6.1-10.el7 Error: Package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 (epel) Requires: qt5-qtdeclarative(x86-64) = 5.6.2 Installed: qt5-qtdeclarative-5.6.1-10.el7.x86_64 (@sl) qt5-qtdeclarative(x86-64) = 5.6.1-10.el7 You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest $ ...Any suggestions? mock -r epel-7-x86_64-rpmfusion_free --install trojita works fine here, it installs qt5-qtdeclarative-5.6.2-1.el7 and qt5-qtbase-5.6.2-1.el7 from base repo Thanks for the reply. But I already use epel and nux, and when I install rpmfusion, I get many dependency errors reported for other packages. Is there another yum way (I mean, aside from downloading the individual packages and localinstall'ing them)? Chris ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Are you using yum-plugin-priorities? I have used that for all the time I have been using CentOS 5, 6 and 7. I set priority=1 for the CentOS repos, 5 for epel and 10 for nux. Keeps dependency packages from tripping over one another. Ken ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unannounced soname bump (Rawhide): qpdf (libqpdf.so.18 -> libqpdf.so.21)
Added qpdf to the ABI tracker: https://abi-laboratory.pro/tracker/timeline/qpdf/ 27.02.2018, 21:16, "Adam Williamson": > qpdf was updated from 7.1.1-4 to 8.0.0-1 in Rawhide on 2018-02-26. > This update bumped the soname from libqpdf.so.18 to libqpdf.so.21 . > This soname bump was not announced, as it is supposed to be, and > dependent packages were not rebuilt. > > cups-filters depends on qpdf, so anything that includes cups-filters is > now broken. This includes at least the Astronomy_KDE live image, per > https://pagure.io/dusty/failed-composes/issue/24#comment-496381 . > > Once again, folks, *please* announce your soname bumps, and co-ordinate > rebuilds. (In fact it looks like Zdenek is the maintainer of both > packages and could have rebuilt cups-filters, but just forgot to). > > I will attempt a rebuild of cups-filters using provenpackager > privileges. > -- > Adam Williamson > Fedora QA Community Monkey > IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net > http://www.happyassassin.net > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Orphaning procedure for rubygem-review
Hi all. This mail is part of the "orphaning" procedure for 'rubygem-review' package [1]. Feel free to adopt it if interested. [1] https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/rubygem-review -- --- Antonio Trande Fedora Project mailto 'sagitter at fedoraproject dot org' GPG key: 0x5E212EE1D35568BE GPG key server: https://keys.fedoraproject.org/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [Test-Announce] 2018-03-05 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting
Hi everyone, I've been talking with other people and apparently is quite common to have issues with HP laptops. F25 works but F27 doesn't, with an extreme case of not booting at all. In my case I suspect of Wayland, provided other desktops/spins did work. But maybe I'm wrong or it's not the only one in fault. I can provide hardware details in the meeting. Regards, Silvia FAS: Lailah ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Official archiver of Fedora mailing lists shows e-mails with one day delay!
Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > That is correct. They are just one of many archivers on the internet > that get emails from Fedora and redisplay them. [This is one of the > reasons why people who ask us to remove their emails from the archives > are asking an impossible task.. there are hundreds of web archivers > and thousands of people who have copies of those emails and could put > them up.] The reason people are using spinics.net is because it still shows the messages in the familiar pipermail-like format. (Not sure whether they are using some version of pipermail or a custom software that just imitates the format.) HyperKitty has several drawbacks, e.g., it eats all indentation in the mails. It is sad that Fedora no longer provides pipermail archives. Kevin Kofler ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Broken dependencies: FreeSOLID
Martin Gansser wrote: > i changed now the line Requires: qhull to Requires: qhull-devel in patch > FreeSOLID-2.1.1-pkgconfig.patch: [snip] > +Requires: qhull-devel [snip] > an then it requires the following packges, is this correct ? [snip] > pkgconfig(qhull-devel) No. Please just remove the "Requires: qhull" from the .pc file in FreeSOLID-2.1.1-pkgconfig.patch entirely. There is already "@QHULL_LIBS@" in "Libs:" that links to the qhull libraries. You can add a "Requires: qhull-devel" to the RPM specfile (NOT the .pc file) instead. You cannot have a Requires on a non-pkgconfig library in the .pc file. Kevin Kofler ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Appstream metadata compose failures
PS: I wrote: > Richard Hughes wrote: >> 64x64 is a very low bar indeed, compared to all of the other >> platforms, e.g. Windows Store or the Apple AppStore. > > All that's going to happen with such a requirement is that specfiles are > going to run the icon through scale2x or hq2x if you're lucky, through a > dumb ImageMagick convert resize if you're not. … or in the worst case, they will just do nothing and AppStream will keep ignoring the application, which is sadly the current status quo for many packages. Kevin Kofler ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why size of repositories metadata is too high in Fedora?
Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > data as well as the original repodata. In My Honest Opinion, this is > not going away until the whole "let's keep this all in one database" > approach is discarded and individual small metadata files for each > RPM, which can be surveyed and updated individually, replace the > repodata. That is much more like apt, and it's unlikely in the > foreseeable feature. This is essentially how the original yum 1 worked (it used RPM headers extracted into .hdr files), this was REALLY slow. It takes a lot of time to download many small files and to process them locally into something that can be reasonably queried. So I am sorry, but I don't see how that would be an improvement. Kevin Kofler ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Frequently broken Rawhide/Branched composes
Kevin Fenzi wrote: > * It means things will likely be broken longer as there is less urgency > to fix them quickly. This means less stress for maintainers who are usually not working full time on Fedora. I don't see why a broken dependency in some leaf application that happens to be included on a release-blocking Edition or Spin needs to block the whole Rawhide compose. Such breakage is normal in a development version of a distribution, it happens even in Debian sid/unstable that probably has more daily users than Rawhide. > * Shipping things out means we can't easily untag or revert packages > with using Epoch's much more commonly. That is due to the "Rawhide can never go backwards" policy, which I still do not understand the point of, especially in the light of "distro-sync" having been supported by both the old yum and the new dnf for years. We allow even updates-testing to go backwards, so why not Rawhide? I think the only place we should ever enforce upgrade paths in is stable releases. Rawhide can go backwards just fine. The fix is simply to use dnf distro-sync instead of dnf update. (Enforcing the upgrade path from stable releases to Rawhide may make sense to prepare for when Rawhide will eventually be branched into a release, but what is the point of enforcing the upgrade path from Rawhide at day d to Rawhide at day d+1? Rawhide users can just be taught to use distro-sync, and users of stable releases will never see this upgrade path "breakage".) Red Hat Linux and early Fedora had worked fine for years without that policy, and Epoch was required less often back then. So please let us just repeal that "Rawhide can never go backwards" policy. > * It will mean we are not in fact always shipping alpha quality, we > could be shipping anything. Even if everything composes, that does not guarantee any level of quality when you actually try to boot the composes. Kevin Kofler ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[EPEL-devel] Re: qt5 dependency problem
On 02/24/2018 02:15 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: On Sat, 2018-02-24 at 17:45 +, Christopher Brown wrote: Hi, In trying to install trojita, I got the following error: $ sudo yum install trojita Loaded plugins: langpacks Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package trojita.x86_64 0:0.7-4.el7 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: libQt5WebKitWidgets.so.5(Qt_5)(64bit) for package: trojita-0.7-4.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libKF5Gpgmepp-pthread.so.5()(64bit) for package: trojita-0.7-4.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libKF5QGpgme.so.5()(64bit) for package: trojita-0.7-4.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libQt5WebKit.so.5()(64bit) for package: trojita-0.7-4.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libQt5WebKitWidgets.so.5()(64bit) for package: trojita-0.7-4.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libmimetic.so.0()(64bit) for package: trojita-0.7-4.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libqt5keychain.so.1()(64bit) for package: trojita-0.7-4.el7.x86_64 --> Running transaction check ---> Package kf5-gpgmepp.x86_64 0:16.04.3-1.el7 will be installed ---> Package mimetic.x86_64 0:0.9.8-6.el7 will be installed ---> Package qt5-qtwebkit.x86_64 0:5.6.2-1.el7 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: qt5-qtbase(x86-64) = 5.6.2 for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: qt5-qtdeclarative(x86-64) = 5.6.2 for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libQt5Positioning.so.5(Qt_5)(64bit) for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libQt5Sensors.so.5(Qt_5)(64bit) for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libQt5WebChannel.so.5(Qt_5)(64bit) for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libQt5Positioning.so.5()(64bit) for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libQt5Sensors.so.5()(64bit) for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libQt5WebChannel.so.5()(64bit) for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 ---> Package qtkeychain-qt5.x86_64 0:0.7.0-1.el7 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: qtkeychain(x86-64) = 0.7.0-1.el7 for package: qtkeychain-qt5-0.7.0-1.el7.x86_64 --> Running transaction check ---> Package qt5-qtlocation.x86_64 0:5.6.1-10.el7 will be installed ---> Package qt5-qtsensors.x86_64 0:5.6.1-10.el7 will be installed ---> Package qt5-qtwebchannel.x86_64 0:5.6.1-10.el7 will be installed ---> Package qt5-qtwebkit.x86_64 0:5.6.2-1.el7 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: qt5-qtbase(x86-64) = 5.6.2 for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: qt5-qtdeclarative(x86-64) = 5.6.2 for package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 ---> Package qtkeychain.x86_64 0:0.7.0-1.el7 will be installed --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 (epel) Requires: qt5-qtbase(x86-64) = 5.6.2 Installed: qt5-qtbase-5.6.1-10.el7.x86_64 (@sl) qt5-qtbase(x86-64) = 5.6.1-10.el7 Error: Package: qt5-qtwebkit-5.6.2-1.el7.x86_64 (epel) Requires: qt5-qtdeclarative(x86-64) = 5.6.2 Installed: qt5-qtdeclarative-5.6.1-10.el7.x86_64 (@sl) qt5-qtdeclarative(x86-64) = 5.6.1-10.el7 You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest $ ...Any suggestions? mock -r epel-7-x86_64-rpmfusion_free --install trojita works fine here, it installs qt5-qtdeclarative-5.6.2-1.el7 and qt5-qtbase-5.6.2-1.el7 from base repo Thanks for the reply. But I already use epel and nux, and when I install rpmfusion, I get many dependency errors reported for other packages. Is there another yum way (I mean, aside from downloading the individual packages and localinstall'ing them)? Chris ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: qarte - compilation fails
> Try this: > > BuildRequires: python3-devel > # bytecompile with Python 3 > %global __python %{__python3} > > in your specfile to force it to bytecompile your Python code with Python 3. > > Kevin Kofler Thanks for your feedback and solution, compiles/works fine now. Martin ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Broken dependencies: FreeSOLID
> On samedi 3 mars 2018 17:30:30 CET Martin Gansser wrote: > > Didn't you see the reply I made to your other thread? > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/ > message/YIAXJASDD5J6NMJHTON5PK5CRB4FUDQA/ > > I explained how to get rid of that Requires. Sorry i ignored your message. i changed now the line Requires: qhull to Requires: qhull-devel in patch FreeSOLID-2.1.1-pkgconfig.patch: --- /dev/null +++ b/FreeSOLID.pc.in @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +prefix=@prefix@ +libdir=@libdir@ +includedir=@includedir@ + +Name: FreeSolid +Description: 3D collision detection C++ library +Version: @VERSION@ +Requires: qhull-devel +Libs: -L${libdir} -lFreeSOLID @QHULL_LIBS@ +Cflags: -I${includedir} -I/usr/include/FreeSOLID an then it requires the following packges, is this correct ? $ rpm -q --requires -p FreeSOLID-devel-2.1.1-29.fc27.x86_64.rpm /bin/sh /bin/sh /bin/sh /usr/bin/pkg-config FreeSOLID(x86-64) = 2.1.1-29.fc27 libFreeSOLID.so.0()(64bit) pkgconfig pkgconfig(qhull-devel) rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 rpmlib(FileDigests) <= 4.6.0-1 rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 rpmlib(PayloadIsXz) <= 5.2-1 ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Official archiver of Fedora mailing lists shows e-mails with one day delay!
On 3 March 2018 at 12:30, Timotheus Pokorrawrote: > Hello Farhad, > >> https://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/threads.html#241887 >> >> Please do something for this problem, it is really bad situation you >> are waiting for e-mails and check the web page several times but you >> don't see anything! |: >> > > I don't think that spinics.net is the official archiver of the Fedora > mailing lists. > > As far as I know, the official mailing list archive for the users list is > located here: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/us...@lists.fedoraproject.org/2018/3/ > > and it seems to be uptodate as far as I can see... > That is correct. They are just one of many archivers on the internet that get emails from Fedora and redisplay them. [This is one of the reasons why people who ask us to remove their emails from the archives are asking an impossible task.. there are hundreds of web archivers and thousands of people who have copies of those emails and could put them up.] > have a nice weekend, > Timotheus > > > Diese Nachricht wurde versandt mit Webmail von www.tbits.net. > This message was sent using webmail of www.tbits.net. > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Official archiver of Fedora mailing lists shows e-mails with one day delay!
Hello Farhad, https://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/threads.html#241887 Please do something for this problem, it is really bad situation you are waiting for e-mails and check the web page several times but you don't see anything! |: I don't think that spinics.net is the official archiver of the Fedora mailing lists. As far as I know, the official mailing list archive for the users list is located here: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/us...@lists.fedoraproject.org/2018/3/ and it seems to be uptodate as far as I can see... have a nice weekend, Timotheus Diese Nachricht wurde versandt mit Webmail von www.tbits.net. This message was sent using webmail of www.tbits.net. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Broken dependencies: FreeSOLID
On samedi 3 mars 2018 17:30:30 CET Martin Gansser wrote: > > Hi, > > > > try qhull-devel instead of pkgconfig(qhull), afaik there was a change in > > qhull package some days ago. > > > but there is no pkgconfig(qhull) in the spec file ? > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/FreeSOLID/blob/master/f/FreeSOLID.spec > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Didn't you see the reply I made to your other thread? https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/ message/YIAXJASDD5J6NMJHTON5PK5CRB4FUDQA/ I explained how to get rid of that Requires. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Broken dependencies: FreeSOLID
> Hi, > > try qhull-devel instead of pkgconfig(qhull), afaik there was a change in > qhull package some days ago. but there is no pkgconfig(qhull) in the spec file ? https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/FreeSOLID/blob/master/f/FreeSOLID.spec ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Test gate failures
Hello, The "Test Gating" mechanism is preventing two updates from being pushed. * F27 Wine 3.3 - "The update can not be pushed: no test results found" - https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2018-fa6f017315 * F26 Wine 3.3 - "The update can not be pushed: 1 of 2 required tests not found" - https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2018-c5a0e704d6 Is there a way to refresh the tests? Thanks, Michael ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[Test-Announce] 2018-03-05 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting
# Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting # Date: 2018-03-05 # Time: 16:00 UTC (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto) # Location: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net Greetings testers! It's been a couple of weeks since we had a meeting, and we've had exciting times in release engineering, plus we are now getting close to the planned Beta release and there's a few other things to discuss. If anyone has any other items for the agenda, please reply to this email and suggest them! Thanks. Silvia mentioned some things, so I'll make sure to keep space for those during open floor if they aren't proposed as agenda topics. == Proposed Agenda Topics == 1. Previous meeting follow-up 2. Fedora 28 status, freeze, schedule, major features 3. Test Day status 4. Open floor -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net ___ test-announce mailing list -- test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-announce-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Re: Trying out More Go Packaging: Bugs and Questions
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 07:22:42PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le mardi 27 février 2018 à 18:34 +0100, Robert-André Mauchin a écrit : > > > > > > How do we test this? I installedtho go-srpm-macros from Rawhide but it > > doesn't seem to have the required macros? > > Yes in rawhide go-compilers and go-srpm-macros are in an intermediary > not fully tested/integrated state. > > The original PR that matched what's in the wiki and is known to work is > here > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/go-compilers/pull-request/2 > > Just grab the files rebuild the resulting go-compilers package and > you're set to try it on your projects (in a fedora-devel buildroot) > > I'll try to mix it with all the nice work Jan did to keep all the parts > where he improved the implementation without the loss of integration > polish of the go-srpm-macros and go-compilers packages he pushed to > fedora-devel. And I definitely do not want something that requires > rewriting the wiki once again :) Are there any intentions to push the macros into f28? I really liked the improvements in the spec file sizes, but porting too many packages now and keep them updated in both f28 and rawhide (making the branches completely different) would mean a lot of extra work. Or maybe I am just too late here since we are quite close from the beta freeze. Thanks for the hard work though :) -- Athos Ribeiro http://www.ime.usp.br/~athoscr ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Appstream metadata compose failures
On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 16:11:23 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Richard Hughes wrote: > > 64x64 is a very low bar indeed, compared to all of the other > > platforms, e.g. Windows Store or the Apple AppStore. > > All that's going to happen with such a requirement is that specfiles are > going to run the icon through scale2x or hq2x if you're lucky, through a > dumb ImageMagick convert resize if you're not. > > You cannot expect the packager to draw a new icon for upstream software. One cannot even expect upstream to ship appdata files. The Claws Mail developers have had some in their tarball for short time for every plugin, then have dropped them again in the next minor release. Probably due to maintenance overhead and missing translations. http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=tree;f=appdata;hb=HEAD ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Official archiver of Fedora mailing lists shows e-mails with one day delay!
I forgot to say, it was between the hours 15-16 of yesterday (in local time) that I sent two e-mails to mentioned threads, but nor my e-mail and others e-mails was visible until today 13:30-14:00. so it is actually 22-23 hours delay. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Official archiver of Fedora mailing lists shows e-mails with one day delay!
I forgot to say, it was between the hours 15-16 of yesterday (in local time) that I sent two e-mails to mentioned threads, but nor my e-mail and others e-mails was visible until today 13:30-14:00. so it is actually 22-23 hours delay. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[Bug 1551203] amavisd-release and amavisd-submit use wrong default socket path
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1551203 --- Comment #1 from Marcel Haerry--- Fixes: * https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/amavisd-new/pull-request/1 * https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/amavisd-new/pull-request/2 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ perl-devel mailing list -- perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to perl-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[rpms/amavisd-new] PR #1: fix RHBZ#1551203 - correct sock location
maha opened a new pull-request against the project: `amavisd-new` that you are following: `` fix RHBZ#1551203 - correct sock location `` To reply, visit the link below https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/amavisd-new/pull-request/1 ___ perl-devel mailing list -- perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to perl-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[rpms/amavisd-new] PR #2: fix RHBZ#1551203 - correct sock location
maha opened a new pull-request against the project: `amavisd-new` that you are following: `` fix RHBZ#1551203 - correct sock location `` To reply, visit the link below https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/amavisd-new/pull-request/2 ___ perl-devel mailing list -- perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to perl-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
[Bug 1551203] New: amavisd-release and amavisd-submit use wrong default socket path
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1551203 Bug ID: 1551203 Summary: amavisd-release and amavisd-submit use wrong default socket path Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: amavisd-new Assignee: j.orti.alca...@gmail.com Reporter: mh+fed...@scrit.ch QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org CC: janfr...@tanso.net, j.orti.alca...@gmail.com, perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org, st...@silug.org, vanmeeuwen+fed...@kolabsys.com Description of problem: The tools amavisd-release and amavisd-submit are not using the socket path in /var/run that we patch into the default config. We should make sure that they work out of the box. Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): 2.11.0 How reproducible: Install amavisd and try to use amavisd-release or amavisd-submit and you'll get # amavisd-release badh-DEADBEEF Can't connect to UNIX socket /var/spool/amavisd/amavisd.sock: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/amavisd-release line 271. While we are fixing the path for release, it's getting fixed wrong. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ perl-devel mailing list -- perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to perl-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Broken dependencies: FreeSOLID
Oh, right, that was just mentioned on list some days ago… On 03/03/2018 12:32 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 03/03/2018 12:19 PM, Christian Dersch wrote: >> Hi, >> >> try qhull-devel instead of pkgconfig(qhull), afaik there was a change in >> qhull package some days ago. > > No. The change you are referring to happened in April 2016! > > Ralf (Fedora qhull packager) > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Broken dependencies: FreeSOLID
On 03/03/2018 12:19 PM, Christian Dersch wrote: Hi, try qhull-devel instead of pkgconfig(qhull), afaik there was a change in qhull package some days ago. No. The change you are referring to happened in April 2016! Ralf (Fedora qhull packager) ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Official archiver of Fedora mailing lists shows e-mails with one day delay!
At few days ago I did open two threads: 1: "Fedora 26 & 27 are unable to boot with normal graphic mode on this PC with AMD/ATI RS740 [Radeon 2100] GPU" in "Users" https://www.spinics.net/linux/fedora/fedora-users/threads.html#481765 2. "Why size of repositories metadata is too high in Fedora?" in "devel" https://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/threads.html#241887 I did set "Delivery status" to disabled via web page and used official archiver for viewing emails, but until noon today, it doesn't show new e-mails, I doubt to this situation and searched internet with mentioned titles and found mentioned links, so I noticed official archiver of Fedora is not reliable! Please do something for this problem, it is really bad situation you are waiting for e-mails and check the web page several times but you don't see anything! |: It currently shows all new e-mails but not two hours ago. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Broken dependencies: FreeSOLID
Hi, try qhull-devel instead of pkgconfig(qhull), afaik there was a change in qhull package some days ago. Greetings, Christian On 03/03/2018 11:16 AM, Martin Gansser wrote: > Hi, > > how can i solve this dependencies ? > > FreeSOLID has broken dependencies in the F-28 tree: > On x86_64: > FreeSOLID-devel-2.1.1-29.fc28.x86_64 requires pkgconfig(qhull) > On armhfp: > FreeSOLID-devel-2.1.1-29.fc28.armv7hl requires pkgconfig(qhull) > On ppc64le: > FreeSOLID-devel-2.1.1-29.fc28.ppc64le requires pkgconfig(qhull) > On aarch64: > FreeSOLID-devel-2.1.1-29.fc28.aarch64 requires pkgconfig(qhull) > On ppc64: > FreeSOLID-devel-2.1.1-29.fc28.ppc64 requires pkgconfig(qhull) > On s390x: > FreeSOLID-devel-2.1.1-29.fc28.s390x requires pkgconfig(qhull) > On i386: > FreeSOLID-devel-2.1.1-29.fc28.i686 requires pkgconfig(qhull) > Please resolve this as soon as possible. > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Broken dependencies: FreeSOLID
Hi, how can i solve this dependencies ? FreeSOLID has broken dependencies in the F-28 tree: On x86_64: FreeSOLID-devel-2.1.1-29.fc28.x86_64 requires pkgconfig(qhull) On armhfp: FreeSOLID-devel-2.1.1-29.fc28.armv7hl requires pkgconfig(qhull) On ppc64le: FreeSOLID-devel-2.1.1-29.fc28.ppc64le requires pkgconfig(qhull) On aarch64: FreeSOLID-devel-2.1.1-29.fc28.aarch64 requires pkgconfig(qhull) On ppc64: FreeSOLID-devel-2.1.1-29.fc28.ppc64 requires pkgconfig(qhull) On s390x: FreeSOLID-devel-2.1.1-29.fc28.s390x requires pkgconfig(qhull) On i386: FreeSOLID-devel-2.1.1-29.fc28.i686 requires pkgconfig(qhull) Please resolve this as soon as possible. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org