Re: peek package

2020-01-07 Thread Benson Muite
Awesome! On 1/8/20 10:09 AM, Artem Tim wrote: vokoscreenNG packaged now. Nice to have such app available in official repos. F31: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-a489a2436a F30: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-aa27dbce21

Re: peek package

2020-01-07 Thread Artem Tim
vokoscreenNG packaged now. Nice to have such app available in official repos. F31: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-a489a2436a F30: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-aa27dbce21 ___ devel mailing list --

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Move fonts language Provides to Langpacks

2020-01-07 Thread Parag Nemade
Hi, Thank you Igor for your review. On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 10:52 PM Igor Gnatenko < ignatenkobr...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: > I think it would be useful to mention in the change page that > langpacks-core-* already depend on "good quality font". If that is > already there, I apologize. > > I

Re: Big change to free maxmind GeoLite2 databases, limiting distribution

2020-01-07 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Dave Dykstra said: > And whoever maintains RPM Fusion would have to ensure somehow that all > users of the rpm update within 30 days ... Seriously, I don't think > anybody can put the data up on a server with no per-user authentication > without violating the license. Not

Re: [minimization] Feedback Pipeline feedback wanted

2020-01-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2019-12-13 at 17:13 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2019-12-13 at 11:17 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > It...*could* also work for non-candidate (i.e. nightly) Pungi 4 > > composes that have been garbage collected by retrieving the info from > > PDC, but this thread has made me

[389-devel] Please review: 50790 result text for filter verification

2020-01-07 Thread William Brown
https://pagure.io/389-ds-base/pull-request/50808 https://pagure.io/389-ds-base/issue/50790 — Sincerely, William Brown Senior Software Engineer, 389 Directory Server SUSE Labs ___ 389-devel mailing list -- 389-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Outage for 2020-01-15: Fedora Prod Environment

2020-01-07 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
#8506 Planned Outage - Fedoraproject.org - 2020-01-15 21:00 UTC Opened a day ago by smooge. Modified a day ago Open Planned Outage - Fedoraproject.org - 2020-01-15 21:00 UTC There will be an outage starting at 2020-01-15 21:00UTC, which will last approximately 4 hours. To convert UTC to your

Outage for 2020-01-14: Fedora Build Environment

2020-01-07 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
8505 Planned Outage - Fedora Build Systems - 2020-01-14 21:00 UTC Opened a day ago by smooge. Modified 2 minutes ago Open Planned Outage - Fedora Build Systems - 2020-01-14 21:00 UTC There will be an outage starting at 2020-01-14 21:00 UTC, which will last approximately 4 hours. To convert UTC

Outage for 2020-01-13: Fedora Infrastructure Staging Environment

2020-01-07 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
#8504 Planned Outage - Fedora Staging - 2020-01-13 21:00 UTC Opened a day ago by smooge. Modified 4 hours ago Open There will be an outage starting at 2020-01-13 21:00UTC, which will last approximately 4 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-07 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 1:48 PM Mark Otaris wrote: > > I intended to demonstrate that cgroups can be used to cause the kernel OOM > killer to react appropriately and fast enough, implying that replacing the > OOM killer is not necessary and that replacing it by a userspace OOM killer > that does

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-07 Thread Mark Otaris
I intended to demonstrate that cgroups can be used to cause the kernel OOM killer to react appropriately and fast enough, implying that replacing the OOM killer is not necessary and that replacing it by a userspace OOM killer that does not account for cgroups can be undesirable. The exact same

[389-devel] please review: PR 50807 - healthcheck - make file permissions check more robust

2020-01-07 Thread Mark Reynolds
https://pagure.io/389-ds-base/pull-request/50807 -- 389 Directory Server Development Team ___ 389-devel mailing list -- 389-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to 389-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: Fedora 32 system-wide change proposal: reduce installation media size by improving the compression ratio of SquashFS filesystem

2020-01-07 Thread Colin Walters
On Sun, Jan 5, 2020, at 12:08 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > I've pretty much concluded Fedora is best off dropping the nested ext4 > in favor of plain squashfs, and using zstd. Fedora CoreOS already uses zstd for squashfs:

Re: Big change to free maxmind GeoLite2 databases, limiting distribution

2020-01-07 Thread Dave Dykstra
And whoever maintains RPM Fusion would have to ensure somehow that all users of the rpm update within 30 days ... Seriously, I don't think anybody can put the data up on a server with no per-user authentication without violating the license. Dave On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 05:31:48PM +0100, Kevin

Re: Fedora 32 system-wide change proposal: reduce installation media size by improving the compression ratio of SquashFS filesystem

2020-01-07 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 4:21 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: > Kamil Paral wrote: > > Well for the general user, everything is one-time. One download, one > write > > to USB, one install. Saving a minute in one step and adding it to a > > different step doesn't really matter, it's the same sum overall

[Bug 1788685] New: perl-autodie-2.30 is available

2020-01-07 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1788685 Bug ID: 1788685 Summary: perl-autodie-2.30 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Status: NEW Component: perl-autodie Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged

[Bug 1788685] perl-autodie-2.30 is available

2020-01-07 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1788685 --- Comment #1 from Upstream Release Monitoring --- An HTTP error occurred downloading the package's new Source URLs: Getting https://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/P/PJ/PJF/autodie-2.30.tar.gz to ./autodie-2.30.tar.gz -- You are receiving

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Ben Cotton
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 12:51 PM Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: > > Yes, it worked because it was a press-friendly “fairy tale” story, not > because of the cash spent on marketing (or because of the quality of > the marketed product). > It's both, though. Having a good story is part of the

[Bug 1788680] New: perl-Future-0.43 is available

2020-01-07 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1788680 Bug ID: 1788680 Summary: perl-Future-0.43 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Status: NEW Component: perl-Future Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged

Re: Fedora 32 system-wide change proposal: reduce installation media size by improving the compression ratio of SquashFS filesystem

2020-01-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Chris Murphy wrote: > Even at 8% bigger it would be worth it. And probably 16%. I disagree. We need to stop treating bloat like a feature. And please see my other replies for why this is a particularly bad tradeoff in this particular case. > Gaining additional features, like on the fly

Re: Fedora 32 system-wide change proposal: reduce installation media size by improving the compression ratio of SquashFS filesystem

2020-01-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > While not exactly the same, the measured increase in size > by the Arch community for their packaging by moving from > xz to zstd was ~0.8% (and gaining a huge reduction in CPU > utilization at the decompress end). I don't know what xz settings Arch was using, but in the

Re: Fedora 32 system-wide change proposal: reduce installation media size by improving the compression ratio of SquashFS filesystem

2020-01-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Chris Murphy wrote: > It's untenable to consider ISO size alone. It is a legitimate concern, but > it can't be reasonable to soak every single CPU, times thousands. You're > willing to exchange less download time for longer install time and higher > energy demand, but there are quite a lot of

Re: Fedora 32 system-wide change proposal: reduce installation media size by improving the compression ratio of SquashFS filesystem

2020-01-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Brian C. Lane wrote: > Yes, according to the manpage it supports xattrs. Does that include file capabilities and ACLs? Kevin Kofler ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: Self Introduction: Joerg Kastning

2020-01-07 Thread Joerg Kastning
Hello Ankur, Hello Community, During the holidays I read a lot about the responsibilities and how to build and maintain a package in Fedora and EPEL. I understand that many people rely on the quality of packages maintained for a large time. And that's the reason why I have to step down.

Re: poetry

2020-01-07 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 07. 01. 20 19:26, Fabian Affolter wrote: Hi all, I see more and more projects moving to use pyproject.toml and poetry. They still are publishing tarballs at PyPI but they often miss the documentation and/or the tests. What is the approach to deal with upstream project which are using

Re: Fedora 32 system-wide change proposal: reduce installation media size by improving the compression ratio of SquashFS filesystem

2020-01-07 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 09:56:21AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Brian C. Lane wrote: > > I agree with Chris here, I think we should make the switch to plain > > squashfs unless someone can come up something dramatic that it will > > break :) > > Does SquashFS support all the advanced features

Re: Trouble creating modular metadata for local repo

2020-01-07 Thread Digimer
On 2020-01-07 9:05 a.m., Petr Pisar wrote: > On 2020-01-07, Digimer wrote: >> I'm trying to create a local repo of an offline collection of systems. >> When I try to install, I get: >> >> >> No available modular metadata for modular package 'foo.arch', it cannot >> be installed on the

Re: Qt 5.14 rawhide

2020-01-07 Thread Rex Dieter
Damian Ivanov wrote: > Qt 5.14 is out since November. According to: https://wiki.qt.io/Qt_5.14_Release final release was not until Dec 12. Patience grasshopper. -- Rex ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an

poetry

2020-01-07 Thread Fabian Affolter
Hi all, I see more and more projects moving to use pyproject.toml and poetry. They still are publishing tarballs at PyPI but they often miss the documentation and/or the tests. What is the approach to deal with upstream project which are using poetry? Simply use PyPI as source? Kind regards,

Re: Fedora 32 system-wide change proposal: reduce installation media size by improving the compression ratio of SquashFS filesystem

2020-01-07 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:58 AM Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:00 AM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > I think increasing the size of the live images, also affecting the download > > time and the time to write the image to media (even USB sticks are not > > instant), to get a

Re: Fedora 32 system-wide change proposal: reduce installation media size by improving the compression ratio of SquashFS filesystem

2020-01-07 Thread Martin Kolman
On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 11:20 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:07 AM Martin Kolman wrote: > > On Mon, 2020-01-06 at 16:35 -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 05, 2020 at 10:08:07AM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > I've pretty much concluded Fedora is best off

Re: Fedora 32 system-wide change proposal: reduce installation media size by improving the compression ratio of SquashFS filesystem

2020-01-07 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:07 AM Martin Kolman wrote: > > On Mon, 2020-01-06 at 16:35 -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 05, 2020 at 10:08:07AM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > I've pretty much concluded Fedora is best off dropping the nested ext4 > > > in favor of plain squashfs, and

Re: Self-introduction

2020-01-07 Thread Fabian Affolter
On 1/3/20 3:08 PM, Petr Viktorin wrote: > The "python-sig" FAS group [3] is something slightly different. It's > confusingly named (IIRC only groups with "-sig" in their name can get > some permissions). It's there for people who want to fix Python-related > issues in all the packages. Something

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: iptables-nft-default

2020-01-07 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 06:02:12PM +0100, Phil Sutter wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > I just noticed we didn't finish discussing the package rename proposal > in related releng issue[1]: > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 05:02:08PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > [...] > > To change the status quo, two measures are

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-07 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 09:19:47AM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 5:27 am, Mark Otaris wrote: > >Try it. With a memory limit, > > > >podman run --rm -it --memory=1G fedora bash -c 'dnf install -y > >stress-ng && stress-ng --malloc 100 --memcpy 100 --mmap 100 --vm > >100'

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Iñaki Ucar
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 19:03, Matthew Miller wrote: > > Red Hat has also always invested its marketing dollars in _product_; the > sponsorship of Fedora is _mostly_ from an engineering side. I'd *like* to > get more for these wider efforts, but in a very real way that Red Hat > investment is like

Re: Fedora 32 system-wide change proposal: reduce installation media size by improving the compression ratio of SquashFS filesystem

2020-01-07 Thread Martin Kolman
On Mon, 2020-01-06 at 16:35 -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote: > On Sun, Jan 05, 2020 at 10:08:07AM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > > I've pretty much concluded Fedora is best off dropping the nested ext4 > > in favor of plain squashfs, and using zstd. It's not required to do > > both, but the benefit is

[EPEL-devel] [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : EPEL Steering Co

2020-01-07 Thread smooge
Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: EPEL Steering Co on 2020-01-08 from 18:00:00 to 19:00:00 GMT At freenode@fedora-meeting The meeting will be about: This is the weekly EPEL Steering Committee Meeting. A general agenda is the following: #meetingname EPEL #topic

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 06:48:05PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: > IBM could waste 10 times the money in marketing with less results, “Big > Blue spending loads of cash” is not a coverage-worthy story. Although to be clear if anyone from IBM is reading: _we'll take it_. :) -- Matthew

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 11:37:28AM -0600, Joe Doss wrote: > > If anyone has a handy generous multi-millionaire up their sleeve, > > please call Matt. :) > *coughs* Red Hat... Red Hat *does* contribute millions of dollars to Fedora annually in time, hardware, and of course literal money.

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le mardi 07 janvier 2020 à 18:37 +0100, Clement Verna a écrit : > > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020, 18:21 Nicolas Mailhot via devel < > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > Le mardi 07 janvier 2020 à 17:14 +0100, Iñaki Ucar a écrit : > > > > > > I'm far from having a satisfactory response to that,

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-07 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Di, 07.01.20 09:27, Michael Catanzaro (mcatanz...@gnome.org) wrote: > On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 7:09 pm, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > - oomd currently polls some parameters in time intervals too, > > still. They are working on getting rid of that too, so that > > everything is event based

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 09:33:55AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > They had good marketing in the form of a billionaire publicly showering > > cash around “in the public interest”. The press (especially the non- > > technical press) loves this kind of story. Unfortunately, it’s not > > something

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 11:37 -0600, Joe Doss wrote: > On 1/7/20 11:33 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > If anyone has a handy generous multi-millionaire up their sleeve, > > please call Matt. :) > > *coughs* Red Hat... I *did* say "generous" -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Clement Verna
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020, 18:21 Nicolas Mailhot via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Le mardi 07 janvier 2020 à 17:14 +0100, Iñaki Ucar a écrit : > > > > I'm far from having a satisfactory response to that, but I see two > > fronts here. First, marketing. How does Ubuntu managed to be

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Joe Doss
On 1/7/20 11:33 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > If anyone has a handy generous multi-millionaire up their sleeve, > please call Matt. :) *coughs* Red Hat... Joe -- Joe Doss j...@solidadmin.com pEpkey.asc Description: application/pgp-keys ___ devel

RE: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Patrick Laimbock
> > On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 03:22:45PM +0100, Iñaki Ucar wrote: > > > For me, the main challenge Fedora faces is **positioning**. > > > > > > Let me explain: (I don't have numbers but) in my (limited) experience, > > > when seasoned sysadmins need to launch a new system, they usually > > > think

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 18:20 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: > Le mardi 07 janvier 2020 à 17:14 +0100, Iñaki Ucar a écrit : > > I'm far from having a satisfactory response to that, but I see two > > fronts here. First, marketing. How does Ubuntu managed to be so > > popular among

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le mardi 07 janvier 2020 à 17:14 +0100, Iñaki Ucar a écrit : > > I'm far from having a satisfactory response to that, but I see two > fronts here. First, marketing. How does Ubuntu managed to be so > popular among less-experienced Linux users? I'm not sure, but I > suspect that good marketing has

Orphaned Java leaf packages

2020-01-07 Thread Fabio Valentini
Hi everybody, I've orphaned 5 packages that were previously maintained by the Stewardship SIG, but which are now no longer required by any fedora package: - jboss-transaction-1.2-api - jettison - jetty-artifact-remote-resources - jetty-assembly-descriptors - jetty-test-policy It should be safe

Re: Fedora 32 system-wide change proposal: reduce installation media size by improving the compression ratio of SquashFS filesystem

2020-01-07 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:00 AM Kevin Kofler wrote: > I think increasing the size of the live images, also affecting the download > time and the time to write the image to media (even USB sticks are not > instant), to get a one-time installation speedup is a very bad tradeoff. While not exactly

Re: Fedora 32 system-wide change proposal: reduce installation media size by improving the compression ratio of SquashFS filesystem

2020-01-07 Thread Chris Murphy
It's untenable to consider ISO size alone. It is a legitimate concern, but it can't be reasonable to soak every single CPU, times thousands. You're willing to exchange less download time for longer install time and higher energy demand, but there are quite a lot of other uses occurring that

[Bug 1783301] perl-Sort-Naturally for EL8

2020-01-07 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1783301 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|MODIFIED --- Comment #2 from

Re: Big change to free maxmind GeoLite2 databases, limiting distribution

2020-01-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > In this case geolite2 packages can be moved to RPM Fusion. It would have to be in the nonfree section, and everything depending on it directly or indirectly would also have to move from Fedora to RPM Fusion nonfree. Kevin Kofler

Re: Big change to free maxmind GeoLite2 databases, limiting distribution

2020-01-07 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 07.01.2020 16:16, Kevin Kofler wrote: > To me, it looks crystal clear that the new licensing conditions are not > acceptable for Fedora. In this case geolite2 packages can be moved to RPM Fusion. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org)

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Iñaki Ucar
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 16:38, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 03:22:45PM +0100, Iñaki Ucar wrote: > > For me, the main challenge Fedora faces is **positioning**. > > > > Let me explain: (I don't have numbers but) in my (limited) experience, > > when seasoned sysadmins need to

[Bug 1783301] perl-Sort-Naturally for EL8

2020-01-07 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1783301 --- Comment #1 from Xavier Bachelot --- https://pagure.io/releng/fedora-scm-requests/issue/21108 https://pagure.io/releng/fedora-scm-requests/issue/21109 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

Re: Qt 5.14 rawhide

2020-01-07 Thread Richard Shaw
I asked the same thing. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/JKYCD27AXOSZWVRQWOJ4NFNM7NNGM6SQ/#JKYCD27AXOSZWVRQWOJ4NFNM7NNGM6SQ Thanks, Richard ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-07 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:55 AM Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:28 PM Mark Otaris wrote: > > > > > For now, kernel developers have made it clear they do not care about > > > user space responsiveness. At all. Their concern with kernel > > > oom-killer is strictly with keeping

[Bug 1135626] perl-Clipboard: insecure temporary file usage [epel-7]

2020-01-07 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1135626 Xavier Bachelot changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |ASSIGNED CC|

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-07 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:28 PM Mark Otaris wrote: > > > For now, kernel developers have made it clear they do not care about > > user space responsiveness. At all. Their concern with kernel > > oom-killer is strictly with keeping the kernel functioning. > > This is false. The stated purpose of

[Bug 1783301] perl-Sort-Naturally for EL8

2020-01-07 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1783301 Xavier Bachelot changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |ASSIGNED CC|

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Stephen J Smoogen
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020, at 6:41 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: > > Implicit in this is the idea that value should be captured at a secondary > distribution > layer. Implicit in this is the idea that distribution forks *need* to > happen. But they > don't. > > In fact, everyone here can work upstream

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 03:22:45PM +0100, Iñaki Ucar wrote: > For me, the main challenge Fedora faces is **positioning**. > > Let me explain: (I don't have numbers but) in my (limited) experience, > when seasoned sysadmins need to launch a new system, they usually > think "Debian" as something

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-07 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 7:09 pm, Lennart Poettering wrote: - oomd currently polls some parameters in time intervals too, still. They are working on getting rid of that too, so that everything is event based via PSI. Given their own focus on servers it's not a primary goal, but still a

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 08:27:41PM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > At the minimum, democratizing Koji would make it easier for Teams to > build their own stuff using any of the tools supported by Koji... Then > it's a question of documentation of how to make custom media and > describing things like

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 07. 01. 20 v 14:19 Tom Hughes napsal(a): > On 07/01/2020 13:06, Fabio Valentini wrote: > >> - ruby is weird, packaging gems is a bit of a chore, upstream has many >> knobs to fiddle with to make distro packaging hard (for example, not >> including test sources in .gem files seems to be a

Re: Upgrading libffi

2020-01-07 Thread Anthony Green
Neal Gompa writes: > RPM does not use libffi at all. My bad.. rpmbuild, through it's use of gdb, which requires python, which requires libffi. So my naive use of mock to try to build a new version of libffi and all of it's dependencies fail. > That said, it's quite easy to do a > rebuild of

Re: Fedora 32 system-wide change proposal: reduce installation media size by improving the compression ratio of SquashFS filesystem

2020-01-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kamil Paral wrote: > Well for the general user, everything is one-time. One download, one write > to USB, one install. Saving a minute in one step and adding it to a > different step doesn't really matter, it's the same sum overall (unless > you pay considerable money for the extra downloaded

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-07 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 5:27 am, Mark Otaris wrote: Try it. With a memory limit, podman run --rm -it --memory=1G fedora bash -c 'dnf install -y stress-ng && stress-ng --malloc 100 --memcpy 100 --mmap 100 --vm 100' will use CPU but keep your system responsive. Without the memory limit (this

Re: Big change to free maxmind GeoLite2 databases, limiting distribution

2020-01-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Dave Dykstra wrote: > I see that currently Fedora rawhide gets new geolite2-*-YYYMMDD packages > (e.g. geolite2-city-20191217) each month in order to distribute the free > maxmind geo IP databases. Unfortunately, Maxmind just greatly tightened > down on the license for these data distributions

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 01:13:02PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > > In support of that, I'd like to also have that page steer people into > > tooling for creating new spins —- and I'd like to see us invest in and > > rebuild the spin creation processes. (Particularly, I'd like spin releases > > to

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-07 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:23 am, Kamil Paral wrote: In your example you forget that swap needs to filled almost to full for early-oom to start reacting. That takes time during which the system responsibility is abysmal. The UX difference happens only after you've already suffered through a

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-07 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 10:09 am, Benjamin Berg wrote: Even if that is the case, on F31 (with GNOME 3.34.2) we do place most user processes into separate scopes[1]. This is not perfect, because it currently only affects processes launched by gnome-shell, gnome- settings-daemon and

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 02:28:46PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 03:18:16PM +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 02:06:20PM +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > > Just to add my 2¢ here: I have experience with packaging stuff from > > >

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le mardi 07 janvier 2020 à 14:06 +0100, Fabio Valentini a écrit : > > Conclusion: Some things could and should be improved Yes, there are lots of shades of gray. All recent package managers allow downloading stuff for use (or they'd have no users). Some manage to build things. Some manage

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 03:18:16PM +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 02:06:20PM +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > Just to add my 2¢ here: I have experience with packaging stuff from > > many language ecosystems (ruby/gems, python/pypi, go, Java/maven) and > > with various

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Iñaki Ucar
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 18:28, Matthew Miller wrote: > > Hi everyone! Since it's a new year and a new decade [*], it seems like a > good time to look forward and talk about what we want the Fedora Project to > be in the next five and even ten years. How do we take the awesome > foundation we have

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 02:06:20PM +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote: > Just to add my 2¢ here: I have experience with packaging stuff from > many language ecosystems (ruby/gems, python/pypi, go, Java/maven) and > with various build systems (autotools, meson, CMake, etc.). The > packaging burden is

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020, at 6:41 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: > > I'd love to find a way to directly integrate the likes of gem, npm > etc directly into our packaging rather than us having to repackage > everything by hand but I just don't see any way of doing it without > compromising what we do to the

Re: Trouble creating modular metadata for local repo

2020-01-07 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2020-01-07, Digimer wrote: > I'm trying to create a local repo of an offline collection of systems. > When I try to install, I get: > > > No available modular metadata for modular package 'foo.arch', it cannot > be installed on the system > > I guess the 'foo.arch' name is made up

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Iñaki Ucar
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 13:58, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > [...] > > For me, an ultimate success would be if upstream projects would actually use > Fedora-family distros in their CI testing. And I don't mean that they would > use > Copr or packit to package RPM packages, or that they deploy their own

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Iñaki Ucar
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 13:28, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 7:04 AM Martin Kolman wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 10:36 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > Dne 06. 01. 20 v 19:08 Nicolas Mailhot via devel napsal(a): > > > > Le 2020-01-06 19:05, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : > > > > >

Re: Big change to free maxmind GeoLite2 databases, limiting distribution

2020-01-07 Thread Tom Callaway
FWIW, I am investigating the geolite2 license situation with Red Hat. Thanks, Tom On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 4:45 PM Dave Dykstra wrote: > I see that currently Fedora rawhide gets new geolite2-*-YYYMMDD packages > (e.g. geolite2-city-20191217) each month in order to distribute the free > maxmind

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 07. 01. 20 14:32, Martin Kolman wrote: On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 13:50 +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: For me, an ultimate success would be if upstream projects would actually use Fedora-family distros in their CI testing. And I don't mean that they would use Copr or packit to package RPM packages,

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:34 AM Martin Kolman wrote: > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 13:50 +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 07. 01. 20 13:17, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 7:04 AM Martin Kolman wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 10:36 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > > > Dne 06. 01.

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Martin Kolman
On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 13:50 +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 07. 01. 20 13:17, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 7:04 AM Martin Kolman wrote: > > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 10:36 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > > Dne 06. 01. 20 v 19:08 Nicolas Mailhot via devel napsal(a): > > > > > Le

Re: Tox automation in packaging macros

2020-01-07 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:18 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 07. 01. 20 14:06, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > - python / pypi works great for %build and %install, but until testing > > with tox is automated in packaging macros, %check has to be specified > > manually since upstream projects do different

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Tom Hughes
On 07/01/2020 13:06, Fabio Valentini wrote: - ruby is weird, packaging gems is a bit of a chore, upstream has many knobs to fiddle with to make distro packaging hard (for example, not including test sources in .gem files seems to be a common practice), there's no canonical way of running test

Tox automation in packaging macros

2020-01-07 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 07. 01. 20 14:06, Fabio Valentini wrote: - python / pypi works great for %build and %install, but until testing with tox is automated in packaging macros, %check has to be specified manually since upstream projects do different things there. generate_buildrequires also works nicely here.

Fedora-Rawhide-20200107.n.0 compose check report

2020-01-07 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Compose PASSES proposed Rawhide gating check! All required tests passed Failed openQA tests: 7/155 (x86_64), 1/2 (arm) New failures (same test not failed in Fedora-Rawhide-20200106.n.0): ID: 507832 Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso desktop_printing URL:

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 1:31 PM Tom Hughes wrote: > > On 07/01/2020 12:22, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Dne 07. 01. 20 v 12:41 Tom Hughes napsal(a): > >> The thing is that no matter how much you can manage to automate the > >> creation of spec files for a given ecosystem, and I've never seen one > >>

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 07. 01. 20 13:17, Neal Gompa wrote: On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 7:04 AM Martin Kolman wrote: On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 10:36 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 06. 01. 20 v 19:08 Nicolas Mailhot via devel napsal(a): Le 2020-01-06 19:05, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : Handling those checks is where the

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 12:30:25PM +, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 07/01/2020 12:22, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > >Dne 07. 01. 20 v 12:41 Tom Hughes napsal(a): > >>The thing is that no matter how much you can manage to automate the > >>creation of spec files for a given ecosystem, and I've never seen one

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Dan Čermák
Tom Hughes writes: > On 07/01/2020 12:22, Miroslav Suchý wrote: >> Dne 07. 01. 20 v 12:41 Tom Hughes napsal(a): >>> The thing is that no matter how much you can manage to automate the >>> creation of spec files for a given ecosystem, and I've never seen one >>> where the typical spec file

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Tom Hughes
On 07/01/2020 12:22, Miroslav Suchý wrote: Dne 07. 01. 20 v 12:41 Tom Hughes napsal(a): The thing is that no matter how much you can manage to automate the creation of spec files for a given ecosystem, and I've never seen one where the typical spec file doesn't need some manual tweaking, you

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 07. 01. 20 v 12:41 Tom Hughes napsal(a): > The thing is that no matter how much you can manage to automate the > creation of spec files for a given ecosystem, and I've never seen one > where the typical spec file doesn't need some manual tweaking, you > are still going to hit the fundamental

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 7:04 AM Martin Kolman wrote: > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 10:36 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > Dne 06. 01. 20 v 19:08 Nicolas Mailhot via devel napsal(a): > > > Le 2020-01-06 19:05, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : > > > > > > > Handling those checks is where the packaging toil is

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Florian Weimer
* Matthew Miller: > In support of that, I'd like to also have that page steer people into > tooling for creating new spins —- and I'd like to see us invest in and > rebuild the spin creation processes. (Particularly, I'd like spin releases > to be decoupled from the main OS release, and for those

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Martin Kolman
On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 10:36 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 06. 01. 20 v 19:08 Nicolas Mailhot via devel napsal(a): > > Le 2020-01-06 19:05, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : > > > > > Handling those checks is where the packaging toil is (that is, as long > > > as Fedora is a deployment project). It is

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