Fedora-Rawhide-20220405.n.2 compose check report

2022-04-05 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Minimal raw-xz armhfp Compose FAILS proposed Rawhide gating check! 1 of 43 required tests failed openQA tests matching unsatisfied gating requirements shown with **GATING** below Failed openQA tests: 12/231 (x86_64), 15/161 (aarch64) New failures (same test not failed

Re: Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread majid hussain
hi, could someone kindly tell me if my toshiba l750 machine has EFI support? i'm blind and efi/bios screens are in accessible. Majid > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2022 at 6:03 am > From: "Gary Buhrmaster" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Subject: Re: F37 Change:

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:59 AM Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > On 4/5/22 19:38, Chris Murphy wrote: > > We either want users with NVIDIA hardware to be inside the Secure Boot > > fold or we don't. I want them in the fold *despite* the driver that > > needs signing is proprietary. That's a better

Re: Move existing build into side tag?

2022-04-05 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:04 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:01 PM Richard Shaw wrote: > > > > Google has failed me, how do I go about moving an existing build into a > side tag I just created? > > > > koji tag-build > Thanks, there's so many options in koji I wasn't sure

Re: Move existing build into side tag?

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:01 PM Richard Shaw wrote: > > Google has failed me, how do I go about moving an existing build into a side > tag I just created? > koji tag-build -- 真実はいつも一つ!/ Always, there's only one truth! ___ devel mailing list --

Move existing build into side tag?

2022-04-05 Thread Richard Shaw
Google has failed me, how do I go about moving an existing build into a side tag I just created? Thanks, RIchard ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20220405.n.2 changes

2022-04-05 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20220404.n.0 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20220405.n.2 = SUMMARY = Added images:1 Dropped images: 0 Added packages: 14 Dropped packages:1 Upgraded packages: 150 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 4.51 MiB Size of dropped packages

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:07 PM Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > On 4/5/22 16:09, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:38 PM Adam Jackson wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:15 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > >> > >>> We also lack solutions for dealing with the NVIDIA driver in > >>>

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Murphy
> On 4/5/22 19:38, Chris Murphy wrote: > > Apple and Microsoft signing NVIDIA's proprietary driver doesn't at all > > indicate Apple and Microsoft trust the driver itself. It is trusting > > the providence of the blob, in order to achieve an overall safer > > ecosystem for their users.

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 4/5/22 16:09, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:38 PM Adam Jackson wrote: >> >> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:15 PM Neal Gompa wrote: >> >>> We also lack solutions for dealing with the NVIDIA driver in >>> UEFI+Secure Boot case. Are you planning to actually *fix* that now? >>> Because

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:59 PM Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > On 4/5/22 19:38, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:08 PM Jared Dominguez wrote: > > > >> The security of UEFI systems is immeasurably better. Standardized firmware > >> updates, support for modern secure TPMs, OS

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 6:55 PM Jared Dominguez wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:51 PM Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: >> > Legacy BIOS support is not >> > removed, but new non-UEFI installation is not supported on those >> > platforms. This is

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 4/5/22 19:38, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:08 PM Jared Dominguez wrote: > >> The security of UEFI systems is immeasurably better. Standardized firmware >> updates, support for modern secure TPMs, OS protection from firmware (SMM >> mitigations), HTTP(S) boot support,

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Jared Dominguez
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:51 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > Legacy BIOS support is not > > removed, but new non-UEFI installation is not supported on those > > platforms. This is a first step toward eventually removing legacy > > BIOS support

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > Legacy BIOS support is not > removed, but new non-UEFI installation is not supported on those > platforms. This is a first step toward eventually removing legacy > BIOS support entirely. What is the distinction between "support is not removed"

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Jared Dominguez
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 7:39 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:08 PM Jared Dominguez wrote: > > > The security of UEFI systems is immeasurably better. Standardized > firmware updates, support for modern secure TPMs, OS protection from > firmware (SMM mitigations), HTTP(S) boot

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Andre Robatino
Those figures are recommended minimums, not requirements. I have a single core F35 machine which works fine. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:08 PM Jared Dominguez wrote: > The security of UEFI systems is immeasurably better. Standardized firmware > updates, support for modern secure TPMs, OS protection from firmware (SMM > mitigations), HTTP(S) boot support, largely shared and open sourced firmware >

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 6:59 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > Current owners plan to orphan some packages regardless of whether the > > proposal is accepted. > > And that is completely unacceptable blackmailing. > Blackmail is always conditional. Stating openly that someone is going to do

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > == Summary == > Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on > platforms that support it (x86_64). Legacy BIOS support is not > removed, but new non-UEFI installation is not supported on those

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 4/5/22 15:58, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:18 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > >> While this will eventually reduce workload for boot/installation >> components (grub2 reduces surface area, syslinux goes away entirely, >> anaconda reduces surface area), the reduction in support

Re: filesystems and year 2038

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:50 AM Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Colin Walters said: > > Ah but with a 512M disk I do get 256 bit inodes, I bet that's the > > difference. > > It comes from /etc/mke2fs.conf... kind of. Below 512M, mke2fs chooses > to use the "small" config from there,

Re: filesystems and year 2038

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:27 AM Colin Walters wrote: > Or, maybe it's an Anaconda thing to override it? I don't think so (from Workstation edition installation) # grep mke2 /var/log/anaconda/storage.log INFO:program:Running... mke2fs -t ext4 /dev/vda2 INFO:program:b'mke2fs 1.46.5 (30-Dec-2021)'

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:42 PM Gregory Bartholomew wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:51 PM Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:47 AM Gregory Bartholomew >> wrote: >> >> > I haven't done a "default" Fedora Server installation in a long time, so >> > I'm not sure how they are

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 5:46 PM Richard Shaw wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 12:31 PM Tom Hughes via devel > wrote: == >> Is it actually true though? You need to be able to find some space >> for an EFI partition but assuming that can be done is there some >> other reason you can't migrate

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Gregory Bartholomew
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:51 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:47 AM Gregory Bartholomew > wrote: > > > I haven't done a "default" Fedora Server installation in a long time, so > I'm not sure how they are laid out. But I seem to remember /boot being a > separate partition for a

Re: newRepo is slow today

2022-04-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, Apr 01, 2022 at 07:05:24PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Fri, Apr 01, 2022 at 10:16:01AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 01, 2022 at 06:10:03PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 01, 2022 at 10:07:39AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > On Fri, Apr 01, 2022

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Jared Dominguez
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 4:10 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:38 PM Adam Jackson wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:15 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > > We also lack solutions for dealing with the NVIDIA driver in > > > UEFI+Secure Boot case. Are you planning to actually *fix*

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:47 AM Gregory Bartholomew wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 12:39 PM Neal Gompa wrote: >> >> Fedora Server users *must* fully reinstall, because there's no way to >> make space for an ESP and reconfigure things. > > > I haven't done a "default" Fedora Server

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:31 AM Tom Hughes via devel wrote: > > On 05/04/2022 15:52, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > * There is no migration story from Legacy BIOS to UEFI - > > repartitioning effectively mandates a reinstall. As a result, we > > don’t drop support for existing Legacy BIOS systems yet,

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 4:28 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:56 AM Florian Weimer wrote: > > > > * Peter Robinson: > > > > > This is out of context here because you can disable Secure Boot but > > > still use UEFI to make that work. You're trying to link to different > > >

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:56 AM Florian Weimer wrote: > > * Peter Robinson: > > > This is out of context here because you can disable Secure Boot but > > still use UEFI to make that work. You're trying to link to different > > problems together. > > I think there's firmware out there which enables

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Robbie Harwood
Chris Murphy writes: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > >> Fedora already requires a 2GHz dual core CPU at minimum (and therefore >> mandates that machines must have been made after 2006). > > Where do we require this? I see only one location for such minimums: > >

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > Fedora already requires a 2GHz dual core CPU at minimum (and therefore > mandates that machines must have been made after 2006). Where do we require this? I see only one location for such minimums:

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 4:01 PM Sebastian Crane wrote: > If the installation media can not install onto BIOS-only machines yet > all the bootloader stages support BIOS, then there will be an awkward > stage where some existing Fedora installations can be upgraded, but if > anything goes wrong

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread David Airlie
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 1:18 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > == Summary == > Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on > platforms that support it (x86_64). Legacy BIOS support is not > removed, but new non-UEFI

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:38 PM Adam Jackson wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:15 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > We also lack solutions for dealing with the NVIDIA driver in > > UEFI+Secure Boot case. Are you planning to actually *fix* that now? > > Because we still don't have a way to have

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Sebastian Crane
I frequently use BIOS-only machines which don't have a UEFI boot option - and one of those machines is indeed running Fedora! Certainly, I understand that there are better ways of booting systems now, but for the time being BIOS is still very important. If the installation media can not install

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:18 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > While this will eventually reduce workload for boot/installation > components (grub2 reduces surface area, syslinux goes away entirely, > anaconda reduces surface area), the reduction in support burden > extends much further into the stack -

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:15 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > We also lack solutions for dealing with the NVIDIA driver in > UEFI+Secure Boot case. Are you planning to actually *fix* that now? > Because we still don't have a way to have kernel-only keyrings for > secure boot certificates to avoid importing

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 4/5/22 15:09, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:06 PM Demi Marie Obenour > wrote: >> >> On 4/5/22 13:38, Neal Gompa wrote: >>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:31 PM Tom Hughes via devel >>> wrote: On 05/04/2022 15:52, Ben Cotton wrote: > * There is no migration story

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:06 PM Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > On 4/5/22 13:38, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:31 PM Tom Hughes via devel > > wrote: > >> > >> On 05/04/2022 15:52, Ben Cotton wrote: > >> > >>> * There is no migration story from Legacy BIOS to UEFI - > >>>

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 4/5/22 13:38, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:31 PM Tom Hughes via devel > wrote: >> >> On 05/04/2022 15:52, Ben Cotton wrote: >> >>> * There is no migration story from Legacy BIOS to UEFI - >>> repartitioning effectively mandates a reinstall. As a result, we >>> don’t drop

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread PGNet Dev
Akamai owns Linode, which is a prominent VPS that focuses on Linux (Linode is a contraction meaning "Linux Node"). +1 DigitalOcean similarly is Linux centric and so Windows doesn't matter. +1 Most web hosting providers and VPSes are Linux-centric and so Windows doesn't matter. +1

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 4/5/22 12:29, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5 2022 at 11:56:07 AM -0400, Robbie Harwood > wrote: >> Users wishing to use NVIDIA hardware have the following options: >> >> - Use nouveau (free, open source, cool) >> - Sign their own copy of the proprietary driver (involves messing with

[rpms/perl-libwww-perl] PR #22: 6.62 bump

2022-04-05 Thread Michal Josef Špaček
mspacek merged a pull-request against the project: `perl-libwww-perl` that you are following. Merged pull-request: `` 6.62 bump `` https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/perl-libwww-perl/pull-request/22 ___ perl-devel mailing list --

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2022-04-05)

2022-04-05 Thread Miro Hrončok
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2022-04-05) === Meeting started by mhroncok at 17:00:17 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2022-04-05/fesco.2022-04-05-17.00.log.html . Meeting

[rpms/perl-libwww-perl] PR #22: 6.62 bump

2022-04-05 Thread Michal Josef Špaček
mspacek opened a new pull-request against the project: `perl-libwww-perl` that you are following: `` 6.62 bump `` To reply, visit the link below https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/perl-libwww-perl/pull-request/22 ___ perl-devel mailing list --

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 2:36 PM Robbie Harwood wrote: > > PGNet Dev writes: > > > Curious, has anyone from @redhat or @fedora though to actually > > communicate with any of the 'big' hosting providers, to perhaps > > coordinate/influence/compromise/plan? > > > > I'd bet AWS, DigitalOcean &

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread PGNet Dev
(Akamai is, to my knowledge, not a provider of VPSs.) https://www.linode.com/press-release/akamai-to-acquire-linode/ ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Robbie Harwood
PGNet Dev writes: > Curious, has anyone from @redhat or @fedora though to actually > communicate with any of the 'big' hosting providers, to perhaps > coordinate/influence/compromise/plan? > > I'd bet AWS, DigitalOcean & Linode/Akamai -- among this biggest > hosting providers where 'new

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Gregory Bartholomew
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:17 PM Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > For those who might be curious, the systems are Supermicro 6026TT-HTRF > machines with four nodes in 2U. I have three, so twelve machines in > total. The machines have X8DTT-HF+ motherboards. I actually have older > hardware than

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread PGNet Dev
So you've heard that we're overloaded, and you know that UEFI is the direction the world is heading. Well, so is (was?) 'IPv6' ... Your solution to this is... what, stick our heads in the sand and ignore that? Just do legacy? We already have UEFI-only platforms (see also: the mention of ARM

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> Ben Cotton writes: > == Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on > platforms that support it (x86_64). My problem here is that I have real, useful hardware which has always run Fedora that I would like to continue using. But it's just old enough (purchased in

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 05.04.2022 um 19:57 schrieb Robbie Harwood : > > Peter Boy writes: > >> And I also don't understand why we should give up a hallmark of free >> Linux, namely to support old, but still good usable hardware (unlike >> commercial system, not only Windows but also e.g. RHEL). > > Developers

Fedora-36-20220405.n.0 compose check report

2022-04-05 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Failed openQA tests: 7/229 (x86_64), 11/161 (aarch64) New failures (same test not failed in Fedora-36-20220404.n.0): ID: 1211773 Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso desktop_printing URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/1211773 ID: 1211779 Test: x86_64

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Robbie Harwood
Tom Hughes writes: > On 05/04/2022 18:51, Robbie Harwood wrote: > >> Right, you need the EFI partition (EFI System Partition, or ESP). I >> don't remember what we default those to these days - I usually make >> about 600M, but I need it larger for testing stuff. The partition >> scheme also

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 05.04.2022 um 19:38 schrieb Neal Gompa : > > Fedora Server is > screwed because they use XFS and you cannot shrink an XFS volume. Server is not screwed because of XFS, according to the change, an existing installation can still use bios boot. That is not a Problem. (And you could

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Robbie Harwood
Gregory Bartholomew writes: > But I seem to remember /boot being a separate partition for a long > time (it used to be required because some older BOISs couldn't read > beyond a certain sector on the disk). Could not /boot be converted to > the ESP (i.e. reformatted with FAT32) on such systems?

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Robbie Harwood
Peter Boy writes: > And I also don't understand why we should give up a hallmark of free > Linux, namely to support old, but still good usable hardware (unlike > commercial system, not only Windows but also e.g. RHEL). Developers are free to support whatever systems they like. If someone wants

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Tom Hughes via devel
On 05/04/2022 18:51, Robbie Harwood wrote: Right, you need the EFI partition (EFI System Partition, or ESP). I don't remember what we default those to these days - I usually make about 600M, but I need it larger for testing stuff. The partition scheme also needs to be GPT, not MBR. Once

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Robbie Harwood
Tom Hughes via devel writes: > On 05/04/2022 15:52, Ben Cotton wrote: > >> * There is no migration story from Legacy BIOS to UEFI - >> repartitioning effectively mandates a reinstall. As a result, we >> don’t drop support for existing Legacy BIOS systems yet, just new >> installations. > > This

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:47 PM Gregory Bartholomew wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 12:39 PM Neal Gompa wrote: >> >> Fedora Server users *must* fully reinstall, because there's no way to >> make space for an ESP and reconfigure things. > > > I haven't done a "default" Fedora Server installation

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:46 PM Tom Hughes wrote: > > On 05/04/2022 18:38, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:31 PM Tom Hughes via devel > > wrote: > >> > >> On 05/04/2022 15:52, Ben Cotton wrote: > >> > >>> * There is no migration story from Legacy BIOS to UEFI - > >>> repartitioning

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 05.04.2022 um 16:52 schrieb Ben Cotton : > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > == Summary == > Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on > platforms that support it (x86_64). Legacy BIOS support is not > removed, but new non-UEFI

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Gregory Bartholomew
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 12:39 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > Fedora Server users *must* fully reinstall, because there's no way to > make space for an ESP and reconfigure things. > I haven't done a "default" Fedora Server installation in a long time, so I'm not sure how they are laid out. But I seem to

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 12:31 PM Tom Hughes via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 05/04/2022 15:52, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > * There is no migration story from Legacy BIOS to UEFI - > > repartitioning effectively mandates a reinstall. As a result, we > > don’t drop support for

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Tom Hughes via devel
On 05/04/2022 18:38, Neal Gompa wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:31 PM Tom Hughes via devel wrote: On 05/04/2022 15:52, Ben Cotton wrote: * There is no migration story from Legacy BIOS to UEFI - repartitioning effectively mandates a reinstall. As a result, we don’t drop support for existing

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:31 PM Tom Hughes via devel wrote: > > On 05/04/2022 15:52, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > * There is no migration story from Legacy BIOS to UEFI - > > repartitioning effectively mandates a reinstall. As a result, we > > don’t drop support for existing Legacy BIOS systems yet,

Fedora-IoT-36-20220405.0 compose check report

2022-04-05 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Failed openQA tests: 2/15 (aarch64) New failures (same test not failed in Fedora-IoT-36-20220404.0): ID: 1212154 Test: aarch64 IoT-dvd_ostree-iso release_identification@uefi URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/1212154 Old failures (same test failed in

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Tom Hughes via devel
On 05/04/2022 15:52, Ben Cotton wrote: * There is no migration story from Legacy BIOS to UEFI - repartitioning effectively mandates a reinstall. As a result, we don’t drop support for existing Legacy BIOS systems yet, just new installations. This is where I have a problem with this, the fact

[rpms/perl-libwww-perl] PR #21: 6.62 bump

2022-04-05 Thread Michal Josef Špaček
mspacek merged a pull-request against the project: `perl-libwww-perl` that you are following. Merged pull-request: `` 6.62 bump `` https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/perl-libwww-perl/pull-request/21 ___ perl-devel mailing list --

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Ralf Corsépius
Am 05.04.22 um 16:52 schrieb Ben Cotton: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS == Summary == Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on platforms that support it (x86_64). Legacy BIOS support is not removed, but new non-UEFI installation is not

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Robbie Harwood said: > (Just to be clear here: this change is proposing a deprecation, not a > removal.) No, the change proposes making it impossible to install Fedora on BIOS. That's not a deprecation. -- Chris Adams ___ devel

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Robbie Harwood
David Duncan writes: > For similar reasons, I agree with Neal. There are a number of Amazon > EC2 instance types that would be left out of the next generation. I > think it would be better to identify the usage in some way and create > a general awareness that it is being removed prior to

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Robbie Harwood
Neal Gompa writes: > By virtue of how boot stuff is handled in Fedora, the community is > incapable of working on it. Not true. Not at all true. src.fedoraproject.org permits anyone, *anyone* to send PRs to fix issues in the boot stack, or any other package. Even without it, bugzilla doesn't

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Marc Pervaz Boocha via devel
On Tue, 2022-04-05 at 09:33 -0700, David Duncan wrote: > > > > On Apr 5, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ben Cotton > > wrote: > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > > > > > == Summary == > > > Make UEFI a

[rpms/perl-libwww-perl] PR #21: 6.62 bump

2022-04-05 Thread Michal Josef Špaček
mspacek opened a new pull-request against the project: `perl-libwww-perl` that you are following: `` 6.62 bump `` To reply, visit the link below https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/perl-libwww-perl/pull-request/21 ___ perl-devel mailing list --

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Jared Dominguez
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022, 11:15 Neal Gompa wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > > > == Summary == > > Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on > > platforms that support it (x86_64).

Re: RFI/RFC: Fedora Linux graphical recovery environment

2022-04-05 Thread Gregory Bartholomew
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 9:40 PM Gordon Messmer wrote: > The ticket mentions Boot Repair, which is the first thing that comes to > mind: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair Boot repair is obviously tricky because you have to have something bootable to initiate the repair. Practically

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread David Duncan
> On Apr 5, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS >> >> == Summary == >> Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on >> platforms that support it

[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 7 updates-testing report

2022-04-05 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 7 Security updates need testing: Age URL 5 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2022-b3413eba96 chromium-99.0.4844.84-1.el7 2 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2022-a3ae41bd1e unrealircd-6.0.3-1.el7 The following builds

[rpms/perl-libwww-perl] PR #20: 6.62 bump

2022-04-05 Thread Michal Josef Špaček
mspacek merged a pull-request against the project: `perl-libwww-perl` that you are following. Merged pull-request: `` 6.62 bump `` https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/perl-libwww-perl/pull-request/20 ___ perl-devel mailing list --

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, Apr 5 2022 at 11:56:07 AM -0400, Robbie Harwood wrote: Users wishing to use NVIDIA hardware have the following options: - Use nouveau (free, open source, cool) - Sign their own copy of the proprietary driver (involves messing with certificates, so not appropriate for all users) -

Re: RFI/RFC: Fedora Linux graphical recovery environment

2022-04-05 Thread Gregory Bartholomew
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:47 AM stan via devel wrote: > On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 15:58:14 -0500 > Gregory Bartholomew wrote: > > > > Of topic but related: I wish there was supported option to remove > > > the current rescue kernel, > > > > Is echo "dracut_rescue_image=no" >

[rpms/perl-libwww-perl] PR #20: 6.62 bump

2022-04-05 Thread Michal Josef Špaček
mspacek opened a new pull-request against the project: `perl-libwww-perl` that you are following: `` 6.62 bump `` To reply, visit the link below https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/perl-libwww-perl/pull-request/20 ___ perl-devel mailing list --

Fedora 36 compose report: 20220405.n.0 changes

2022-04-05 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-36-20220404.n.0 NEW: Fedora-36-20220405.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:1 Dropped images: 0 Added packages: 16 Dropped packages:1 Upgraded packages: 49 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 37.83 MiB Size of dropped packages:9.07 MiB

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Robbie Harwood
Neal Gompa writes: > And we've still failed to get ARM and RISC-V broadly on board with > UEFI This statement is not correct. ARM in Fedora is UEFI-only, and we were both in the Plumbers conversation around RISC-V's booting. > We also lack solutions for dealing with the NVIDIA driver in >

[rpms/perl-libwww-perl] PR #19: 6.62 bump

2022-04-05 Thread Michal Josef Špaček
mspacek merged a pull-request against the project: `perl-libwww-perl` that you are following. Merged pull-request: `` 6.62 bump `` https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/perl-libwww-perl/pull-request/19 ___ perl-devel mailing list --

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Florian Weimer
* Peter Robinson: > This is out of context here because you can disable Secure Boot but > still use UEFI to make that work. You're trying to link to different > problems together. I think there's firmware out there which enables Secure Boot unconditionally in UEFI mode, but still has CSM

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:26 AM Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 4:09 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > > > > > == Summary == > > > Make UEFI a hardware

[Bug 2071865] perl-libwww-perl-6.62 is available

2022-04-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2071865 Michal Josef Spacek changed: What|Removed |Added Doc Type|--- |If docs needed, set a value

[rpms/perl-libwww-perl] PR #19: 6.62 bump

2022-04-05 Thread Michal Josef Špaček
mspacek opened a new pull-request against the project: `perl-libwww-perl` that you are following: `` 6.62 bump `` To reply, visit the link below https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/perl-libwww-perl/pull-request/19 ___ perl-devel mailing list --

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Marc Pervaz Boocha via devel
On Tue, 2022-04-05 at 10:52 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > Important, relevant points from that thread (yes, I reread the entire > thread) that have informed this change: > > * Some machines are BIOS-only.  This change does not prevent

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 4:09 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > > > == Summary == > > Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on > > platforms that support it

[Test-Announce] Fedora 36 Branched 20220405.n.0 nightly compose nominated for testing

2022-04-05 Thread rawhide
Announcing the creation of a new nightly release validation test event for Fedora 36 Branched 20220405.n.0. Please help run some tests for this nightly compose if you have time. For more information on nightly release validation testing, see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki

Re: RFI/RFC: Fedora Linux graphical recovery environment

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:47 AM stan via devel wrote: > > On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 15:58:14 -0500 > Gregory Bartholomew wrote: > > > > Of topic but related: I wish there was supported option to remove > > > the current rescue kernel, > > > > Is echo "dracut_rescue_image=no" >

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > == Summary == > Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on > platforms that support it (x86_64). Legacy BIOS support is not > removed, but new non-UEFI

[Bug 2071784] perl-Chart-2.401.0 is available

2022-04-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2071784 Petr Pisar changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|--- |RAWHIDE Status|MODIFIED

F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS == Summary == Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on platforms that support it (x86_64). Legacy BIOS support is not removed, but new non-UEFI installation is not supported on those platforms. This is a first

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