ke them over. I ended up taking some of them with the
hopes of keeping a few pieces of software alive in the short term, but
then another large chunk of nodejs packages were orphaned, no one took
them, and, frankly, I gave up. If the choices are "we don't package
nodejs software at all" and
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:46 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
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>
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:38:40PM -0400, Ben Rosser wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:32 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 01:18:59PM -0400
and 'emacs -nw' don't ask.
The -t/--tempfile switch for nano (and pico) does exactly this:
https://linux.die.net/man/1/nano
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lt was *actively harmful* to vi's chances
> in my case. :P
Same here, to be honest. Being dropped into vi when I ran some command
(I think it was visudo?) was honestly pretty traumatizing as a new
Linux user a ~decade ago, and to this day one of the first things I do
on a new
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> On 24. 06. 20 1:10, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> > On 24. 06. 20 1:07, Ben Rosser wrote:
> >> Some of my nodejs packages are an artifact of a failed attempt to
> >> package quassel-webserver [1], which I eventually
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 6:38 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
>
> On 23. 06. 20 21:11, Ben Rosser wrote:
> > Thanks Miro, much appreciated!
>
> You are welocme.
>
> However, I am afraid I have some bad news. The recent report in
> https://churchyard.fedorapeople.org/orphans.tx
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 5:24 PM Stephen Gallagher wrote:
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> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 11:53 AM Ben Rosser wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 11:34 AM Sérgio Basto wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2020-06-22 at 11:29 -0400, Ben Rosser wrote:
> > > > O
out.)
> >
> > Can I do this via releng ticket or do I need to actually go to each
> > page on Pagure and click the button?
>
> I've done it in bulk. Thanks for talking them.
Thanks Miro, much appreciated!
Just to add: I've also taken uglify-js and uglify-js1, as apparently
somet
ake
what I actually needed for mocha and discord-irc. I think this is the
complete list; if I'm wrong, I guess I'll find out.)
Can I do this via releng ticket or do I need to actually go to each
page on Pagure and click the button?
Ben Rosser
Ben Rosser
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>
> On Mon, 2020-06-22 at 11:29 -0400, Ben Rosser wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 3:09 PM Stephen Gallagher <
> > sgall...@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > The Node.js SIG is very loosely organized. If you are
nd taken mocha (running tests will be useful
regardless of whether or not we start bundling NPM modules). I haven't
yet figured out what I need to take to keep it + my other node
packages alive for now, but I'll work through that this evening if no
one suggests doing anything else.
Ben Rosser
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 12:50 PM Fabio Valentini wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 6:30 PM Ben Rosser wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 5:38 PM Jared K. Smith
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:41 PM Ben Rosser wrote:
> > &
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 5:38 PM Jared K. Smith wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:41 PM Ben Rosser wrote:
>>
>> So... this is a lot of node.js packages, and I haven't really seen any
>> discussion of this on the lists. And at least some of these are possibly
>&
dependencies, and it's increasingly difficult due to old dependencies, even
when they're not FTBFS or FTI or orphaned. I don't have the bandwidth to
take over all of these, but I'd be willing to join some kind of collective
effort to improve things. As far as I can tell, most node.js specfiles are
pret
ds so far has helped reassure
me that's not the case.
Not saying you're wrong that it would be nice to have the ability to
poll a broader selection of packagers. But I'm not sure using the
FESCo voting system would really accomplish that either. How many
people ac
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> I'm trying to get an f32 branch for a newly created package. Branch
> creation has failed twice now with the error in $SUBJECT:
>
> https://pagure.io/releng/fedora-scm-requests/issue/22127
>
> Can I get a human to look at that ticket
/releng/issue/9236
Thanks in advance,
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s) of
that RPM?
(I realize that in this particular case, Igor is on FESCo, and so had
the policy been followed more carefully, he would have been aware
anyway).
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> Ben Rosser was working on sorting out grunt. In fact I believe he
> took the first of those at least.
>
> Tom
>
> On 03/12/2019 07:45, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> > According to [1], these are the packages which need to
mplementing new features like stream
expansion.
But in any case, I'm really glad that we do now finally have anitya
integration and easy de-orphaning back in pkgdb. Thanks to everyone
who made this happen!
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rize, what the rules are and aren't for creating and upgrading
streams, and so on. And if we can't figure out a way to square the
goals for modularity with the necessary guidelines to not cause major
problems in the distribution... well, maybe that calls for significant
rethinking?
Sincerely,
Ben Ros
I haven't seen many people speak up
who are enthusiastic about modularity who aren't also involved in it
in some way.
Granted, that could well change over time as improvements are made-- I
think the Java Situation has left a bad taste in everyone's mouth--
but it still seems like this is a good
ild -bs && mock ../SRPMS/foo*.src.rpm until it builds (and is
guideline compliant)
7. Upload somewhere when it is ready for review
I agree that this might not be the ideal workflow to teach new
packagers, but I don't think it is terrible.
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nothing else, it
would save me a click or two when trying to check if a package is up
to date.
> Trying to improve the package review process is something that has been in my
> radar for a while now but not high enough in the priority list.
Su
w request if
>> we can get this unretired before the deadline.
>
>
> It looks like this has been un-retired, so I'll go ahead and try to push an
> updated build to rawhide just as soon as the Koji outage is over.
Oops, I missed that you had requested a re-review.
Thanks! Let me know
On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 8:17 PM Ben Rosser wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 1:59 PM Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> > There are regularly people complaining on this very list about how hard
> > packaging has become. So here is a thread trying to see if you can come up
> &
nteract with, so perhaps
it is in our interest to make it as pleasant as possible.
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tired just under eight weeks ago for being FTBFS-- on
2019-08-08. Hopefully it still is within the deadline for not
requiring rereview (that's eight weeks on Thursday)!
I'll submit a releng ticket, and am notifying devel as requested by the policy.
Sincerely,
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>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 04:46:32PM +0200, Ben Rosser wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 4:29 PM Pierre-Yves Chibon
> > wrote:
> > > There is a clear initial rejection of a PR-only contri
improve things. We need to keep the simple/everyday use
cases in mind here.
I like that I can build a Fedora package with just a specfile--
essentially, a bit of metadata about how to build and install a
package-- and don't need to modify an upstream archive. I
ger", not the "expert packager". And I
think that's packages with limited divergence from upstream (only a
few patches) that only one, _maybe_ two, people regularly touch.
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Hi all,
Is anyone interested in a review swap for a Python(-ish) package?
cocotb: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1747574
Happy to review anything in exchange.
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> [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/University
Hi Timothée,
I think this is a great initiative! Maybe it's a bit early to ask, but
I'm curious what sort of projects you see a SIG focusing on?
(If grad students would be welcome here too, I might be interested. :) )
Cheers,
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...
> reflections orphan 4 weeks ago
I have one Java package that requires both of these... although I'm
sure if I take them I'll wind up needing to take more of the Java
stack too.
I guess I'll take them for no
. Still, the policy requires an
announcement on this list, so here it is. :)
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prepare and submit an objective proposal
describing what they want to work on.
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the difficulty is that you can't rely on ffmpeg
being provided by RPM Fusion, because users could have a
non-RPM-Fusion repository on their system that provides ffmpeg, so if
could be dangerous to make assumptions about what the "ffmpeg" package
actually is?
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it's not clear to me that
there is one beyond a desire to get away from using the name "yum".
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leted from copr once the package gets
approved (or removed if the review is closed WONTFIX, or something).
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(Maybe #fedora-packaging, if it is not in use? Or
maybe #fedora-packaging-qol or something instead.)
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which built just fine with Python 3.7-- upstream still seems to be
active.
I've submitted a new review here (and also built the package in copr):
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1665303
Happy to exchange a review swap.
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o add your own thoughts
as well.
Sincerely,
Ben Rosser
[1]
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/FYNU7W6KQQWA65JWVPUFDHKUP3RX6EKR/
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/Packager_Experience
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thout some sort of organization to
make it happen, and to try and organize/focus the work. I don't know
if that organization requires an Objective to make happen, but I think
it would be nice to enshrine this as one of our medium-term goals.
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> Hi Ben,
>
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:42:51AM +0100, Ben Rosser wrote:
>
> > I don't know. I feel like we could do a lot to improve the experience
> > of packaging by investing time into fixing these sorts of minor
ally doing anything to help, so I guess I'm part of the problem
too).
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idea, there just wasn't enough time or person-power to do it:
https://pagure.io/pagure/issue/2549
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om September, for
instance:
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> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 at 16:03, Ben Rosser wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 2:55 PM Stephen John Smoogen
> > wrote:
> > > From what I have talked with in the past.. 3 years is their bare
>
n laptops than
Fedora. Instead of working on a new "Fedora LTS" for this usage case,
would time be better spent improving EPEL and CentOS for the
desktop/laptop use case? I'd always thought of CentOS/RHEL as "Fedora
LTS" anyway, to be honest.
Ben Rosser
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d default streams of modules to the buildroot
automatically-- I think that makes sense, if it can be done in a way
that's transparent to end users and packagers. But-- unless I'm
missing something obvious-- this isn't enough, unless everything is
statically linked.
B
ed at this briefly a while ago-- it seems to me like
verilog-mode is now part of emacs-common:
$ rpm -qf /usr/share/emacs/26.1/lisp/progmodes/verilog-mode.elc
emacs-common-26.1-3.fc28.x86_64
Is the stand-alone emacs-verilog-mode package necessary anymore, or
can it just be re
s, or have dismissed it as people who
aren't willing to move with the times, or as just "hyperbole".
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over and seeing how well it works (and it sounded like the
Council was considering doing this with council-discuss, which is
probably a good first step).
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similar policies should be applied when considering major changes to
the distribution's infrastructure. And the mailing lists are
definitely an important part of the distribution's infrastructure.
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I'm not sure if it will actually be better...
I guess it would be nice to read a sort of "modularity for the
skeptical contributor" document or article that answers questions like
this.
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in modules, or
don't necessarily need to be in modules-- unless parts of the
distribution start becoming module-only.
(Maybe this discussion belongs in a new thread, but I think it's important).
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So I would guess that many packagers have followed this advice and
have it installed on their systems. I certainly do.
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ackager, I bet
we would catch a lot of the licensing/bundling problems.
Anyway, I really like this idea. Maybe we should still require
quasi-manual reviews for new contributors as part of the sponsorship
process, though?
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to sign off on it first.
And as Matthew said, perhaps a requirement for approving this
arrangement could be that the packager in question agrees to respect
changes in dist-git (or automatically opened Pagure pull requests, or
whatever) made by other people?
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outside of Fedora dist-git. Then at least the number of such packages
could be hopefully kept low.
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he new infrastructure, which is making it really hard for
packagers to stay up to speed. It doesn't help that this stuff isn't
always communicated clearly.)
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[1]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers#Update_Yo
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 7:29 PM, Adam Williamson
wrote:
> On Thu, 2018-05-31 at 19:19 -0400, Ben Rosser wrote:
>> So, back to the topic of this thread: while I don't think this choice
>> belongs in the installer, I do think there should be detailed
>> instructions somewhere
or two, an ask.fp.o post, a couple forum threads, and a Stack Exchange
post as the first few results, which makes me believe it's not
currently well explained anywhere in our documentation? Perhaps that
should be fixed, regardless whatever the outcome of this change
discussion is.
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e number of
people stuck on an older version.
(I'd be happy to remake it from scratch on a new NextCloud
installation, though. I figured I would probably have to do that
anyway at some point).
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dist-git and then includes a "user's guide", which is helpful... if
you are a user trying to set up infrastructure. It's not very relevant
to a packager trying to learn their way around things.
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m hyperrogue ocaml-mccs spasm-ng tfdocgen tilp2
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n newer rpm is
> detected, but I'm not sure it's worth it for a single line.
Well... personally, it's pretty annoying to have to remove this from
every spec I generate using rpmdev-newspec. It also gives the
impression that the newspec-generated spec
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Robert-André Mauchin wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a handful of packages that I'd like to be reviewed. I'm available for
> any reviews you want in exchange (to the best of my ability).
Hello,
I'm happy to take ddgr and QEverCloud. Are you willing
t-snmp/pull-request/2
There were responses on the pull request you linked within the last
week, including from the maintainer 5 days ago. I'm not sure how this
qualifies as "unresponsive"?
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/net-snmp/pull-request/2#comment-3999
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> Florian Weimer wrote:
>> On 01/08/2018 06:21 PM, Steve Dickson wrote:
>>> Is it a problem for a package to pull from two different
>>> upstream tar balls? Basically have
>>>
>>>
. interesting. It's not clear to me why; as far as I
knew, they both passed the mass rebuild. Or, rather, the binutils mass
rebuild: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_27_Binutils_Mass_Rebuild.
I haven't touched the packages since then.
I'd be interested to know if this has happened to any of the
ing fine. (And no FTBFS bugs have
been filed against them).
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=23320
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=23342
This makes me slightly dubious about the rest of the list.
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ush this
potential concern under the rug with the "taking the distro hostage"
comment, which I think is an overly excitable way to phrase a
legitimate concern.
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25 f24 )
I believe I reviewed this; I'd be happy to take it.
> In rpmfusion (free):
>
> * openmw -- Unofficial open source engine re-implementation of the game
> Morrowind ( master f26 f25 f24 )
I would be happy to take this one too. I've requested ACLs via RPM Fusion pkgdb.
My FA
hentication token on
my system in order to interact with the different parts of the
packaging plumbing. It seems to me that in an ideal world it would
only require one mechanism to interact with all these services.
That mechanism doesn't need to be Kerberos, but... if it's n
n a half-baked manner (as you said)
is an example of how it's all too easy *for* it to happen.
Respectfully, this does not inspire confidence in how well the rollout
of modularity across the entire distribution will go.
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ive for those reverts?
>
> I'm not sure where I should file a bug.
>
> Thanks,
> Dridi
The same thing happened to me for my recently retired packages.
When I inquired on IRC yesterday, I was told to file a bug against
infra, so I did here:
htt
least giving
a brief statement about your goals for the position, should be a
*requirement* for running for an elected position in the project.
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t sure if this is a big enough change to need the
change process, but it should be discussed) making rename into an
alternative.
[1]
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22577767/get-the-perl-rename-utility-instead-of-the-built-in-rename
[2] https://fedoraprojec
/coprs/eclipseo/prename/).
If you are interested in submitting prename to the review queue in
addition to your other packages, I would be happy to take the review.
I see you've already been sponsored, which is great!
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migration!-- but the lack of one seems like an annoying but small
regression.
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's a good idea - care to propose it on the pull request yourself
> since it was your idea? This is the line where an "or self.type is
> newpackage" would go:
>
> https://github.com/fedora-infra/bodhi/pull/1678/files#diff-6406e7faaf2526
flagging their bodhi update as "newpackage" when
it's not, in fact, a new package to bypass the batching, but this
seems like something that should be easy to do.
Thanks,
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On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> The story with this package (and I think there were some others) is
> that they are required for 'opam' which is a source-based OCaml
> packaging tool (think: Perl and the ‘cpan’ command). Jon Ludlam
> turned up
://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/jonludlam/opam/)
about a year ago and never heard back, so... technically I guess I
could proceed with the non-responsive maintainer policy. But is that
the right thing to do?
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bother me. So I have no issue with this particular change. But I felt
like I should chime in here because this change thread has turned (as
any discussion on flatpak seems to) into a general discussion on the
future of packaging technology, and I've been uneasy for about
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Sandro Mani wrote:
> Hi Ben
>
> I'm happy to take the first two in exchange for
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1461368
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1465676
>
> which are simple C/C++ MinGW packages. Deal?
>
>
?id=1426962
nodejs-simple-markdown - Javascript markdown parsing, made simple:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1463821
nodejs-irc-colors - Color and formatting for irc made easy:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1463797
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solve this problem.
Many of the packages I maintain are essentially one-offs that I'm not
convinced will ever belong in a specific module-- where would things
like this end up?
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1411961
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still compatible with the new license, as quassel-irssi is the only
Fedora package depending on quasselc at this time.
Ben Rosser
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main?rd=Licensing#License_Changes
[2]
https://github.com/phhusson/QuasselC/commit
m"
should at least be a warning or something when validating?
Ben Rosser
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:AppData#.appdata.xml_file_creation
[2] As evidenced by this scratch-build build I just ran
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=17172267
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like it or not, users, myself included, install nonfree software
like Steam on systems and generally expect it to continue working from
release to release.
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at the koschei build fired in response to (among a few other
things) a glibc upgrade, I wonder if this is a glibc bug on aarch64?
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* nodejs-int64-buffer: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1397620
* nodejs-qtdatastream: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1397621
(depends on nodejs-int64-buffer)
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On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Athos Ribeiro <athoscribe...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> python-scp
>
I've fixed python-scp in Rawhide, thanks for the heads up.
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To
pers" writeup somewhere? (by which I mean
"Fedora developers" in general).
Ben Rosser
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Modularity
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gt;
> resultsdb_frontend - Frontend for the ResultsDB
> * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1346245
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
Taken resultsdb_frontend, any chance you could look at hddfancontrol? (
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/
mely popular), and new packages
have theoretically just been tested by both the maintainer (when packaging
them) and the reviewer (when reviewing them), so there is likely less need
for further testing than there would be for other updates. And also, it
should be significantly less likely for a new package to
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