Re: Read this if your package includes a status notifier / system tray icon

2014-03-08 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: * Wayland rendering the legacy XEmbed-based spec (that has been used as the interoperability lingua franca so far, despite having been deprecated by both sides of the equation) entirely obsolete instead, and thus restarting the

Re: [Owner-change] Fedora packages ownership change

2014-03-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 6:00 AM, wrote: Change in ownership over the last 168 hours === 20 packages were orphaned It is entirely unclear from this report whether any of the packages in this list remain orphaned or have they all been picked up.

Re: GCJ [was: pdftk retired?]

2014-03-19 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi And JDK5 might be good enough for the use required. It doesn't claim to be anything more than that, so I don't see the harm in leaving it there. We don't orphan or retire packages based on harm. We do it when there is noone volunteering to maintain it. If you care about GCJ, step up

Re: Wishing to get involved in kernel devel

2014-03-23 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Corey Sheldon wrote: Hello Team, I am a Auto detailer by day and new-ish linux developer coming from a background of moderating android modding forums and minor kernel tool tweak groups and the like, I have grown rather fond of fedora (currently

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: Did any of your gnome-shell extensions break ? Yes but I got updates for most of them. Couple of them are still broken https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/8/places-status-indicator/

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 - bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 03.04.2014 19:54, schrieb drago01: Am 03.04.2014 19:47, schrieb drago01: What I wrote does not depend on what the bugs actually are it does No. You are not entitled to escalate it to any employer unless you have a

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Enable Software Collections

2014-04-15 Thread Rahul Sundaram
HI On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Tadej Janež wrote: Does the above refer to the repositories available at https://www.softwarecollections.org/en/? Yes. Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of

Re: When a yum update sets up an MTA ...

2014-04-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Lars Seipel wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 06:44:53PM -0700, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: I think it's because upgrading installs a new package and uninstalls an old package. Sounds like a bug in exim. Yes, but there was no upgrade of exim. An update of

Re: Deprecate setjmp/longjmp? [was Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?]

2014-04-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: According to its manpage, setjmp and longjmp conform to C89, C99, and POSIX. I'm afraid I just can't wrap my brain around a concept of something that's good enough for POSIX, but not good enough for Fedora. Just because a API is

Re: Deprecate setjmp/longjmp? [was Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?]

2014-04-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:47 AM, Zoltan Boszormenyi wrote: Just one datapoint: have fun rewriting PostgreSQL's error handling while still keeping it portable and acceptable upstream. Not to mention Cerberus (a.k.a. Tom Lane) who guards that entrance, reads this list and IIRC is a Red

Re: Mass bug: packages should not auto-enable systemd units

2014-04-30 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: spacenavd Right or wrong, the decision for enabling spacenavd by default is that you would only install the package if you have one of these devices. Nothing should be

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Wayland

2014-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 9:27 AM, alex diavatis wrote: From Fedora Docs (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Wayland) To avoid destabilizing the X compositor, mutter will ship two separate libraries, and gnome-shell will ship two binaries that will link against them. Concretely, we

Re: action needed for python-lamson and rubygem-cloudservers

2014-05-30 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Till Maas wrote: Hi, rubygem-cloudservers is currently retired in packagedb but not blocked in koji/dead-packaged. python-lamson is dead-packaged but not retired or blocked. Both packages are dependencies for other packages and therefore cannot be

Re: action needed for python-lamson and rubygem-cloudservers

2014-05-30 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Till Maas wrote: Thank you for the information. I retired it together with lastuser, the third dependent package. Btw. it is helpful to specify such details in the dead.package file. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel I was

Re: action needed for python-lamson and rubygem-cloudservers

2014-05-30 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Till Maas wrote: The process is described here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life Is this what you wanted? The message can be specified on the command line with fedpkg retire. It is not possible to do this via a web

Re: Current FTBFS packages (was Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21)

2014-06-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 5:24 AM, Till Maas wrote: The following packages did not build for two releases sundaram: transmission-remote-cli, gdome2 I have retired gdome2 as upstream has been dead for a long time and I don't think there is any dependency on this. I have updated

Re: Current FTBFS packages (was Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21)

2014-06-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Till Maas wrote: gdome2 sundaram I have retired this already. What more should I do? Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: self-introduction: Jamie Duncan

2014-06-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Jamie Duncan jdun...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, Everyone. My name is Jamie Duncan. I work in the Strategic Customer team at Red Hat. One of the big things that our more security-minded (and some of the vaguely paranoid) users ask for is an easier way to

Re: self-introduction: Jamie Duncan

2014-06-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Jamie Duncan wrote: Does that answer your question? Thanks, Yes. Thanks! Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: ROLLING FEDORA

2014-06-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:13 PM, مصعب الزعبي wrote: How we build a rolling Iso script .. don't effect by Fedora or Anaconda release ?? https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/ Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: ROLLING FEDORA

2014-06-08 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 6:53 AM, مصعب الزعبي wrote: There is a problem Packages of rawhide not all stable !!! we need a non-limited repo with only stable packages . We cannot achieve stability without user feedback. If you like a rolling release model, feel free to participate.

Re: Another bug on OpenSSL

2014-06-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Darin Perusich wrote: Perhaps maintaining FIPS support as a patch set, much like how features such as acl, slp, openssl, etc are added to rsync, would be a suitable approach. This would keep the extra crap like FIPS out of LibreSSL then if someone

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: This is kind of sentimental, and I think possibly Seth would not have liked to have a big deal made of it, but... I guess I'm going to anyway. I would like to keep the yum name in remembrance of his contributions. This also seems

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: The transition period is one reason why we want to keep the name dnf. We'd basically like to keep current yum around for users that have various scripts and stuff depending on it so they have some time to migrate to dnf. I would

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: We are on the same page, thanks for your input. I don't think so. You are clearly arguing for a temporary compatibility wrapper but eventually forcing everyone to use dnf as the command. The other side is wanting yum to continue to

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: I think you are failing to understand the concept of perspective. I think there is a difference in perspectives rather than lack of understanding. You are looking at it from a developer perspective - their project, let them do whatever

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-17 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 2:11 PM, David wrote: You completely missed my point. The Fedora Devs have been working on this. The Fedora Devs want to do this. The Fedora Devs have said that they are going to do this. And when. Which means? You, and others, are going to have to deal with

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

2014-06-21 Thread Rahul Sundaram
HI On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: stop the automatic bandwidth wasting at all and you don't have to fix anything - don't you realize that this 50% are the ones with the slow WAN and the ones with fast internet don't need prefetch of metadata at all? Even if I have a

Re: Proposal: time to set up the fedora-release-{cloud, workstation, server} subpackages

2014-06-21 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: We talked about this before, but I think now it's getting really close to the time when we _need_ it. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1110764... as Dennis says, we have not yet decided how to differentiate the

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

2014-06-21 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: what you or i prefer don't matter Sure it does. Otherwise you would not insist that your perspective is the only right one and everyone else who has a different perspective is always wrong in any such discussion. the ordinary

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-21 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Tim Lauridsen wrote: Just run rm -rf / as root, it is much faster way to remove your os ;-) dnf does what you tell it to do and ask for your confirmation, it is not it's job to protect you from doing stupid things with all kind of stupid logics. As

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-22 Thread Rahul Sundaram
HI On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: This isn't for a plugin, but as a core feature: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=955673 As previously noted, the yum functionality was originally a plugin but then adopted as core feature.

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-23 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:17 AM, drago01 wrote: That link is nonsense. It *is* reasonable to ask people on a *development mailing list* for patches ... Perhaps but this is more a community of packagers and doing so here would be viewed as an offhanded brush off but what I asked for is

Re: Tasklist for the Fedora Workstation

2014-06-25 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Christian Schaller wrote: Hi everyone, As we are ramping up the development effort around the workstation we wanted to help increase transparency and enable more community participation in the Fedora Workstation effort by providing a more detailed view

Re: delta rpms - can we turn them off

2014-06-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Troy Dawson wrote: The fact that Fedora practically forces people to use delta rpm's has rattled my cage for quite a while. [Snipped] --- Does it force you to do them like yum does? [Snipped] You keep calling it force while acknowledging it is

Re: delta rpms - can we turn them off

2014-06-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Troy Dawson wrote: It is a hidden default that is not in any man page or documentation. Yes, I used a poor choice of words. man yum.conf deltarpm When non-zero, delta-RPM files are used if available. The value specifies

Re: Patches for trivial bugs sitting in bugzilla - trivial patch policy?

2014-06-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: On 2014-06-27 10:17, Till Maas wrote: Yes, I missed this as well. Also IIRC the guidelines demand an patch status comment for each patch in the spec file, so just adding patch without noting why it is not upstreamable or

Re: delta rpms - can we turn them off

2014-06-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Troy Daws All that being said, what is the criteria for getting a default configuration line put into yum.conf? I'd really like to get the deltarpm= line put in there. File a bug report in yum bug tracker or Red Hat bugzilla against yum as the

Re: Heads-up on rpm 4.12 coming to rawhide soon

2014-06-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 12:45 PM, DAVID Clément wrote: Hi, AFAIK Fedora packages should not use weak dependencies (Recommends and so on). What's the recommended usage of them ? Is there any plan to update Packaging Guidelines on this topic ? For instance: for scilab I split scilab

Re: PkgDB, pending ACL requests

2014-07-18 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Nathanael d. Noblet wrote: Me neither! I've approved the ones waiting for me too. Same here. I approved all of it now. Apologies for people who were waiting. Thanks for the nice enhancements! Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Self Introduction / Contributing a package to Fedora

2014-07-29 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Derek Pressnall wrote: For the Source0 URL, since this project is hosted on Github, the URL that leads to the tar.gz file doesn't contain the tar file name (it is https://github.com/derekp7/snebu/tarball/master;, which ends up creating the tar.gz file

Re: The GNU C Library will be rebased in F21 to match glibc 2.20.

2014-07-30 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Carlos O'Donell wrote: I expect this to be the process forever going forward: * Rawhide tracks glibc master. * Fedora release is branched from Rawhide. * glibc release is made upstream. * Fedora branch is rebased on glibc upstream release to include

Re: The GNU C Library will be rebased in F21 to match glibc 2.20.

2014-07-31 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: The problem with that approach is that lots of bugs go unnoticed until very late in rawhide, resulting in those bugs being caught and fixed only post-release. ABI. That is, any ABI breakages that happen are usually bugs. We

Re: are compiler flags being honored?

2014-08-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Dhiru Kholia wrote: Initial scan results are available on the following URL, https://halfie.fedorapeople.org/flags-scanner/ Now, I need your feedback and cool ideas to improve this project :-) Thanks for working on this. However the information that

Re: fakesystemd package breaking builds

2014-08-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: I think you are readying way to much into a perfectly normal word that means: hey we are discussing stuff related to your project, would you mind joining this sessions so we can have better understanding ? That's possible. The

Re: Dist-git for Copr

2014-09-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 11:22 AM, drago01 wrote: Huh? What makes one legally not eligible to contribute? Just not signing the fpca? How is that different from someone that submits a patch via bugzilla / mail / whatever? I don't think people check whether those patch submitters have

Re: Dist-git for Copr

2014-09-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 12:48 PM, drago01 wrote: Well the FPCA seem to talk about this if someone that didn't sign it sent you a patch all he/she has to do is to provide it under an acceptable license. Yes but we artificially make it seem like FPCA is a requirement even when it isn't

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: We need to decide if just because you manage to get an important core package into Fedora 4 years ago, that means you can forever more push any old stuff you want into Fedora, without going back and consulting with the community

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
HI On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 09:35:10AM +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: /tmp has nothing to do with systemd The tmp-on-tmp misfeature is to do with systemd. How? systemd works fine without it. Many distributions have switched to

Re: Self Introduction: Moez Roy (previous alias - quickbooks.off...@gmail.com / previous FAS: quickbooks)

2014-09-18 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote: On Thu, 2014-09-18 at 19:55 -0400, Christopher Meng wrote: I think this is only a self introduction of your email address...But not yourself... That is quite OK actually - different people introduce themselves differently, and

Re: How to handle upgrades to Fedora 21

2014-09-24 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: Ah, you're right. On the other hand I think all spins are somehow desktop related (at least now), so moving spins to use workstation as the base is probably desirable No. It is not. Workstation is GNOME based. Most spins are for

Re: Django 1.4 and 1.5 retired in Fedora 21 [Was: F-21 Branched report: 20140923 changes]

2014-09-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:28 AM, Matthias Runge wrote: askbot upstream still requires django 1.6, which pretty much limits to Django14, which is supposed to be supported until March next year. Django-1.5 is not supported any more. I have retired askbot in Fedora master Rahul -- devel

Re: Multiple directory ownership including filesystem package

2014-09-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Till Maas wrote: sundaram cowsay Fixed directory ownership and bash completion script location using pkg-config as suggested by Ville.FWIW, packaging guidelines has an example using the old location which should be fixed. Thanks Rahul -- devel

Re: Proposal: Increasing application icon sizes to 64px

2014-09-29 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: I'd rather see this done in a way that it only executes when desktop-file-utils is installed, which should already be a buildrequire for all packages containing desktop files I think. Agreed. I would also like to see this be part

Re: Django 1.4 and 1.5 retired in Fedora 21 [Was: F-21 Branched report: 20140923 changes]

2014-09-29 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Matthias Runge mru...@matthias-runge.de wrote: django-recaptcha has an open bug to be renamed since 2012-07-13, latest version is 1.0.2, which adds Django-1.7 support as well, and it looks like a leaf package, which just could be dropped. Attached a patch

Re: Multiple directory ownership including filesystem package

2014-09-29 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 6:45 AM, Ville Skyttä wrote: On a side note, that's the legacy location for bash completion snippets. The modern one from which they're loaded on demand is: $ pkg-config --variable=completionsdir bash-completion More info in /usr/share/doc/bash-completion/README

Re: How to handle upgrades to Fedora 21

2014-09-30 Thread Rahul Sundaram
HI On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Petr Hracek wrote: No, definitely not. preupgrade-assistant is only the tool which informs user or admin what was change against the newest version and recommend actions for inplace upgrades. But as I mentioned. Currently now it's not available in

Re: How to handle upgrades to Fedora 21

2014-09-30 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Petr Hracek wrote: In RHEL we are using preupgrade-assistant [1] which does this work. If user write a check script then it will inform user that upgrade is not supported. The check script can also inform user that e.g. mariadb changed structure and it's

Re: How to handle upgrades to Fedora 21

2014-09-30 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Petr Hracek wrote: Preupgrade assistant performs assessment of the system from the upgradeability point of view. It is based on OpenSCAP engine. It reports potential risks for in-place upgrading system. fedup can call our API. For sure. Was there any

Re: Multiple directory ownership including filesystem package

2014-09-30 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: In principle all fixes should be upstreamed, but this is a trivial packaging change that can be easily and safely done just in Fedora. Agreed but also note that even packages that install to the recommended location

Python/Django developers needed: Ask Fedora

2014-09-30 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi Ask Fedora (http://ask.fedoraproject.org) uses Askbot which is a Django based web application. We need a few developers to implement some bug fixes and features for askbot and while upstream developers are active, our requirements are pretty high. So if anyone here wants to help out, please

Dash as default shell

2014-10-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi Is it worth considering using Dash as the default (non-interactive) shell in Fedora? Other distributions including Ubuntu and Debian ( https://lwn.net/Articles/343924/) have been using dash as the default shell and Android uses mksh. While this appears to have been done primary to increase

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:04 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 10:39:04PM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: For Ubuntu the stated reason to follow Debian was pretty bogus[1] -- Ubuntu didn't follow Debian here. It was the other way around. It doesn't even avoid Debian

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Chris Adams wrote: If that's the case, why do we have the /bin/sh symlink? Just remove it and make the bash dependency explicit (so everything has to call /bin/bash). I understand this is a rherotical argument but the symlink exists because it is

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tom Rivers wrote: So there's a vulnerability found in bash, it gets patched almost immediately, and all of a sudden there's a push to abandon it altogether? That is a mischaracterization. Bash will remain the interactive shell. This discussion is limited

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: But the prompt for doing so is a security incident that has already been fixed. If this was really a worthwhile endeavour, why hasn't it come up before? Our needs continue to evolve. We didn't consider size as much before but there is a

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Tom Rivers wrote: While I appreciate your technical correction on the scope of this proposed switch, you conveniently failed to address the core argument I made which is by far the larger issue: the impetus... I didn't address it because it was not

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: On 10/02/2014 04:39 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Is it worth considering using Dash as the default (non-interactive) shell in Fedora? Why starting with changing target of /bin/sh? Can we start with smaller step? Like put in Packing

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Tom Rivers wrote: On 10/2/2014 09:58, Rahul Sundaram wrote: I didn't address it because it was not really relevant either. The impetus is merely the backstory. On the contrary, the rationale for your proposed change is very relevant. Sure

Re: Proposal: Increasing application icon sizes to 64px

2014-10-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: you misunderstood me I don't think anyone misunderstood that you have trouble disagreeing without also being insulting. You are pushing off people who might otherwise be sympathetic to your perspective by constantly engaging in a

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: OK, then; care to explicitly list the advantages you expect to see from such a switch, and why they outweigh the disadvantages and the migration costs? I don't have a predrawn conclusion that I am advocating strongly for here but I

Re: Proposal: Increasing application icon sizes to 64px

2014-10-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: i doubt that you people are that hypersensitive about every single word in real life too People wouldn't say this if it was the first time you wrote something like this. Also since you asked, I am usually *far* more curt generally

Re: Proposal: Increasing application icon sizes to 64px

2014-10-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: which would be in fact more a reason to start realize that people are different in how they express things and not all is that insulting meant as it could be taken https://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Please read the above link

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: No. /bin/sh is supposed to be a POSIX-compatible shell. Right. This is what I meant. We can't just remove /bin/sh completely and require users to always use dash or bash explicitly. Whether it is a symlink and

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Tom Rivers wrote: You know, you could've simply replied to my original take on your self-described opportunistic proposal with something like, No, Tom, I'm not just making this proposal because of Shellshock. I really think there are some merits to dash

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: because the conclusion that dash is not vulerable for other things is invalid I am afraid there was no such conclusions. To acknowledge known bugs in bash doesn't require anyone to conclude that dash doesn't have bugs. Rahul --

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: then that paragraph refer to Shellshock was not really appropriate without make really clear that this is not a panic reaction in context of already fixed bash bugs I didn't think one would assume it is just a panic reaction if they

Re: How to handle upgrades to Fedora 21

2014-10-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: To that end, fedup will grow a new mandatory option: --product. It will take one of four arguments: standard (non-productized), server, workstation or cloud. When the discussion about the standard name came up earlier in fedora

Re: How to handle upgrades to Fedora 21

2014-10-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: generic is technical speak or for normal people outside IT at best has a negative context to generica and spam It is not really technical. Generic is often used in other contexts by normal people: Ex: Generic drugs which means non

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Garry T. Williams gtwilli...@gmail.com wrote: $ (checkbashisms -f -p $(grep -rlE '^#! ?/bin/(env )?sh' /usr/bin) ) 21 /dev/null|grep 'possible bashism'|awk '{print $4}'|sort -u|wc -l 113 $ Many of these trigger multiple warnings from

Re: How to handle upgrades to Fedora 21

2014-10-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: generic drugs is the one thing nobody wants to have in context honestly Not true but irrelevant anyway since I was just pointing out that generic is not a technical term. why would you try to force somebody to a prodcut setup if he

Re: How to handle upgrades to Fedora 21

2014-10-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: and *because* non productized variants are continued there should be no emphasis instead *equal options* Fedora as a project has already discussed that extensively and decided otherwise. We are not really revisiting that discussion

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Nico Kadel-Garci wrote: And it's going to break backports to EPEL for RHEL 5 or RHEL 6, or CentOS or Scientific Linux, pretty seriously Please explain how. Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Jakub Jelinek wrote: But why? Seriously, bash has lots of nice extensions, are you going in this quest to stop using extensions You seem to have misread what I said. Bash is great and I love some of the extensions but if you want to use bash, just make

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Chris Adams wrote: To be fair, portable programs wrap GCCisms in #ifdefs. Indeed. To wrap this up for now, I have filed https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1352 Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: dnf vs yum

2014-10-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade I did not remove plain yum so far on purpose, because I was expecting it to be automatically replaced, or kept working, but only now I sent a note about the problems I noticed :) Would you filing a bug report against yum

fedora-release* conflicts

2014-10-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi There are atleast two bugs filed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1146487 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1148968 I have no idea what the right fix is but this doesn't seem to be bugs in fedora-release which provides the conflicts as intended Rahul -- devel mailing

Re: btrfs as default filesystem for F22?

2014-10-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Josef Bacik wrote: My plan is to push for F23, I'm still wrapping up some balance bugs and some other issues we've found at work and then this will be my next priority. Thanks for the update. Is there a list of target bugs? Rahul -- devel mailing list

Re: How to handle upgrades to Fedora 21

2014-10-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 3:18 AM, Miroslav Suchý msu...@redhat.com wrote: I tried the upgrade during weekend. And I tried to simulate this requires during upgrade. The problem is that once you get fedora-release-standard, you will get other *-standard (e.g. firewalld-config-standard) and

Updates and AutoQA

2014-10-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi I was pushing out updates for deluge for F20 and F19 and when I tried to push to stable, AutoQA figured out what this was breaking the upgrade path since I had forgotten to do a push for F21. So far so good however, the message is a bit misleading

Re: dnf vs yum

2014-10-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 3:52 AM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: Too bad that it does not also say that it provides yum ;( 09:52 root@pinkiepie-rawhide:mnt$ dnf install dnf-yum mock Error: package mock-1.1.41-3.fc22.noarch requires yum = 2.4, but none of the providers can be installed

No more deltarpms by default

2014-10-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi One of the long standing features that were enabled by default in yum is support for delta rpms. dnf developers have disabled this and I think this change deserves a broader discussion https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1148208 Rahul -- devel mailing list

Re: Updates and AutoQA

2014-10-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Tim Flink wrote: The push was not automatic. I was doing it manually. Moreover after I had submitted a F21 build, it wasn't clear from the message that I was supposed to revoke the request inorder to resubmit again. That's a bodhi thing, if you can

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-10-08)

2014-10-08 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: * Bash scripts should rely on bash explicitly (jwb, 17:34:13) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1352 (jwb, 17:34:14) * AGREED: Ask Rahul to work with upstreams to resolve this issue rather than patching it downstream

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-10-08)

2014-10-08 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: See the transcript. I don't think there's any problem with coordinating it in Fedora in some way, but we don't want that to be a way that puts a burden on Fedora packagers unless they're interested. If you're interested in having a

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-10-08)

2014-10-08 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Well, specifically, we didn't want to use bugzilla. I'm not sure I'm speaking for everyone, but I think that's because it's not really the best place for minor upstream issues. Using a wiki to track bugs is obviously not ideal. Any

Re: No Mesa 10.3-1 in F21 (instead of rc3)?

2014-10-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Patrick Laimbock wrote: That's good to hear. I didn't know that a (core) component during the dev cycle needed to go through the karma process so thanks for pointing that out. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Branched explains the process Rahul

Re: Django-1.7 for Fedora 21

2014-10-16 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Matthias Runge wrote: Hello, in Fedora 21, we have Django-1.6. Django-1.7 was released a few weeks ago. As we're in feature freeze, but still pre-beta. I'd like to ask for opinions, if an upgrade to Django-1.7 would be still acceptable. I have a copr

Re: No more deltarpms by default

2014-10-17 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Tom Rivers wrote: If the proper configuration can be determined automagically, then by all means just do it. My point is that users aren't too stupid to understand bandwidth/processor considerations. The configuration of how much bandwidth/processor

Re: No more deltarpms by default

2014-10-17 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Tom Rivers wrote: I didn't call them stupid - in fact I suggested just the opposite. Go back and read what I wrote. I did. You said My point is that users aren't too stupid to understand bandwidth/processor considerations. I am just saying even if one

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