Re: live respin archive

2021-01-24 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 1/24/21 5:40 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: On Sun, 2021-01-24 at 16:42 -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 1/23/21 1:09 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: Have we a FedoraRespin-32 ? we might want install a Fedora 32 . Live respins are unofficial and only for the latest release: https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub

Re: live respin archive

2021-01-24 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 1/23/21 1:09 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: Have we a FedoraRespin-32 ? we might want install a Fedora 32 . Live respins are unofficial and only for the latest release: https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/live-respins/ And about archive , shouldn't we archive 3 or 4 versions ? if last one have

Re: Fedora 34 Change: Scale ZRAM to Full Memory Size (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2021-01-20 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 1/20/21 8:14 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 05:58:45PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: Someone on Fedora Discussion¹ noticed this number and wonders if it's meant to be 8192. Not that it probably matters very much, but, you know, nice round numbers and all.

Re: ShotCut: dependency problems

2021-01-10 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 1/10/21 5:47 PM, Jerry James wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 4:41 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: I have no problem with it on F33 or F32. I suspect the actual problem is in one of those other packages that are mentioned. The dnf messages are really hard to figure out, but it looks like there's

Re: ShotCut: dependency problems

2021-01-10 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 1/10/21 2:38 PM, Marius Schwarz wrote: it's impossible to install Shotcut, not as 20.11.28 nor 20.04.12 : I have no problem with it on F33 or F32. I suspect the actual problem is in one of those other packages that are mentioned. The dnf messages are really hard to figure out, but it

Re: can't install package pipewire-jack-audio-connection-kit

2021-01-02 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 1/2/21 1:26 AM, Guido Aulisi wrote: Jack is still in use for professional audio and it cannot be replaced by pipewire, and it is still actively developed. Pipewire just provides another implementation and you can choose which one to use. My understanding from the rest of the discussion is

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

2020-12-29 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 12/29/20 4:25 PM, przemek klosowski via devel wrote: On 12/29/20 5:20 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: I don't think this GNOME bug is in any way related to the topic of whether KDE should default to Wayland So I am confused---I thought it is a problem in Wayland, perhaps in its X11

Re: Serial Console with Fedora 33

2020-12-13 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 12/13/20 1:58 PM, Steve Dickson wrote: How does one set up a serial console with F33? In the past I would edit kernelopts with grub2-editenv and set "console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8". As well as set the following in /etc/grub2.conf terminal_output console #set timeout=5 serial --unit=0

Re: Pre-made live image with actual functioning persistent storage?

2020-12-12 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 12/11/20 10:57 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: "To include a persistent filesystem for /home, use the --home-size-mb parameter. For example: su -c "livecd-iso-to-disk --home-size-mb 2048 Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-34-1.1.iso /dev/sdX" This will create a 2 GiB filesystem that will be

Re: Future of Fedora Server Edition [was: Re: Fedora 34 Change: Make Fedora CoreOS a Fedora Edition (System-Wide Change)]

2020-12-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 12/3/20 1:01 PM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: Dne 03. 12. 20 v 20:02 Matthew Miller napsal(a): Mostly the latter. I don't even really care if they end up keeping the distinct os-release and etc. Is this backed by some numbers and analysis? My personal usage is that I create **hundred thousands**

Re: Should the default editor be changed from vi to nano on upgrades to Fedora 33+

2020-12-03 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 12/3/20 10:52 PM, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote: puts setting EDITOR environment variable into a file (vim-default-editor.sh for bash, ksh, sh and zsh, vim-default-editor.csh for tcsh and vim-default-editor.fish for fish), which is installed under a specific directory (/etc/profile.d for bash,

Re: Unable to disable SysRq

2020-11-16 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/16/20 4:25 PM, Robert Marcano via devel wrote: My Fedora 33 kernel.sysrq value is 80, the default at /usr/lib/sysctl.d/50-default.conf say that it should be 16. Created /etc/sysctl.d/99-local.conf with kernel.sysrq=0, but after boot the value is 64, only after a single user mode boot

Re: Fedora 34 Change proposal: Remove and deprecate nscd in favour of sssd and systemd-resolved (Self-Contained Change)

2020-11-15 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/15/20 7:31 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: Implementing this does not come without drawbacks though: right now resolved tries hard to use the same server if at all possible, since we want to use newer DNS features if possible, but many DNS servers (wifi routers, yuck) tend to support them

Re: Boot/Install from iso file

2020-11-14 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/14/20 7:44 PM, Sergio Belkin wrote: Isn't there anyone that tried to do that?  :-) Taking into account that Fedora is a distro that is always searching to be on the cutting edge: Don't you think that is somewhat annoying and a thing of the past to install from a usb stick (and not to

Re: AVC denied to rpm for rpmdb.sqlite after Fedora 33 upgrade

2020-11-01 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/1/20 6:55 PM, John Doe wrote: After Fedora 33 upgrade, I am getting /var/log/audit/audit.log flooded with: type=AVC msg=audit(1604285139.996:14767): avc: denied { read } for pid=5304 comm="rpm" name="rpmdb.sqlite" dev="dm-1" ino=4194322 scontext=system_u:system_r:setroubleshootd_t:s0

Re: Where is python3.9-debuginfo?

2020-10-20 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/20/20 7:19 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: What am I doing wrong?  This is on my rawhide VM. $ sudo dnf --enablerepo=*-debuginfo install python3.9-debuginfo Last metadata expiration check: 0:06:06 ago on Tue 20 Oct 2020 08:08:20 PM MDT. No match for argument: python3.9-debuginfo Error:

Re: delta-rpm: -3.1% wasted (3 MB)

2020-10-16 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/16/20 1:48 AM, Marius Schwarz wrote: while updating for the 5.8.15 kernel with dnf, this message appeared: Gesamt 6.2 MB/s |  93 MB 00:14 Fehlgeschlagen: Delta-RPMs erhöhten die Größe für Updates von 89.6 MB auf 92.7 MB (-3.1% verschwendet)* [ Fail: Delta-RPMs have increased the size

Re: 389ds making a local dns server for local web app.

2020-10-15 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/15/20 9:36 PM, rodents...@gmail.com wrote: Still the same sir, installing it on Ubuntu 18.04 desktop (Oracle Virtual Box). Following these simple steps. Then why are you emailing this list? It's very much the wrong one. This is the Fedora development list, nothing to do with Ubuntu or

Re: 389ds making a local dns server for local web app.

2020-10-15 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/15/20 4:45 PM, rodents...@gmail.com wrote: During installation, I encountered these errors. I don't know. I've installed it several times with no problems. I just noticed that in your original email you said you were installing 389ds on Ubuntu. What are you trying to install freeipa

Re: 389ds making a local dns server for local web app.

2020-10-15 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/14/20 11:43 PM, rodents...@gmail.com wrote: Hi sir, I installed and configured successfully freeipa. The problem now is I can't login my admin account. No error when running "kinit admin", but when logging in through the web UI, it will return an error message saying "Login failed due

Re: 389ds making a local dns server for local web app.

2020-10-14 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/13/20 10:55 PM, rodents...@gmail.com wrote: Btw sir, if I use freeipa. I won't be needing 389ds anymore? I freeipa is made using 389ds. Am I correct? Yes, freeipa uses 389ds as its backend database. ___ devel mailing list --

Re: 389ds making a local dns server for local web app.

2020-10-13 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/13/20 7:57 PM, rodents...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks sir. Actually I have done a project which a came up with a local DNS example.com using bind9 in ubuntu. Now my head requires me to do the same using 389ds. If you're really wanting to use 389ds for this, why don't you just go all the

Re: Could Bodhi create some temporary repositories before composes are ready?

2020-10-09 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/6/20 7:26 AM, Pavel Raiskup wrote: On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:35:04 AM CEST Mattia Verga via devel wrote: You can let Bodhi client download the builds for you: bodhi updates download --updateid FEDORA-2020-15d324f87c Then dnf install the downloaded builds. Awesome, I didn't know

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-10-05 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/5/20 11:21 AM, Marius Schwarz wrote: Am 04.10.20 um 21:01 schrieb Samuel Sieb: On 10/4/20 9:36 AM, Marius Schwarz wrote: And still,we do not know why the f33 livedisc does not boot at all when inserted early AND why grub-install /dev/USBDRIVE  (correct devicename ofcourse

Re: What package provide qmake?

2020-10-05 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/5/20 12:55 AM, Robbi Nespu wrote: Unable to find qmake. This program is absolutely essential for building Please ensure the development packages for Qt are installed by using your distribution's package manager. This is actually a tricky program to find, although this line provides a

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-10-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/4/20 9:36 AM, Marius Schwarz wrote: And still,we do not know why the f33 livedisc does not boot at all when inserted early AND why grub-install /dev/USBDRIVE  (correct devicename ofcourse ) is overwriting the ssd boot setup, instead of the usbdrive bootconfig. You can't use

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-10-01 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/1/20 5:52 AM, Marius Schwarz wrote: Is it possible to boot from the stick and then perform a grub-install with an old grub? This attempt failed too: #  grub2-install /dev/sda grub2-install: Fehler: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh existiert nicht. Bitte geben Sie --target oder

Re: Fedora 32/33 livedisks do not boot on M$ system(s)

2020-09-30 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 9/30/20 10:28 PM, Elliott Sales de Andrade wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 18:27, Marius Schwarz wrote: The working/non-working procedure is: Power on ... inserting the stick OK, but why insert the USB stick after power on? Wouldn't it be less trouble to insert beforehand so that the

Re: init 5 does not restart NetworkManager

2020-09-28 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 9/28/20 6:52 AM, qmail wrote: at an init 3 stance, which has NetworkManager active, i start an init 5. when all is said and done, NetworkManager has been deactivated, IE not restarted bec of the settings in NetworkManager.service . So I have to manually restart NetworkManager.  Why is

Re: F34 Change: Reduce installation media size by improving the compression ratio of SquashFS filesystem (Self-Contained Change)

2020-09-15 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 9/15/20 4:46 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: There still exist connections as slow as 33 kbps. At that speed, 142 MB take at least 10 hours to download (probably more because 1 data byte takes more than 8 raw bits to transfer and because the theoretical speed cannot always be sustained). Depending on

Re: F32 -> F33 upgrade

2020-09-13 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 9/13/20 5:10 AM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: On my system it looks like deja-dup/duply/duplicity have a problem with dependencies: [root@puchatek ~]# LANGUAGE=C dnf distrosync --releasever 33 The officially recommended method is "dnf system-upgrade". I often need to add "--allowerasing" to

Re: Switching package to fragmented default configuration

2020-08-29 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 8/28/20 9:40 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: Please don't invent a new logic, especially the one that systemd does. This makes it very difficult to figure out where in the world the configuration file for a given program is. With systemd, sure, it's not so bad, as the System defaults go in

Re: Media key support in F32 / Gnome / systemd

2020-08-17 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 8/17/20 2:54 AM, Benjamin Berg wrote: Note that you can also change the power button action in gnome-control- center, power, "Suspend & Power Button", "Power Button Action". This wasn't the power button though. It's the suspend/sleep button. ___

Re: EarlyOOM +ZRAM Only

2020-08-15 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 8/15/20 1:32 PM, Sergio Belkin wrote: Nice, my only doubt is why smem and tools alike cannot show those processes using anon pages in swap... I posted a bash command line in an earlier email that will give you that information. ___ devel mailing

Re: calculating process memory usage

2020-08-14 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 8/14/20 4:34 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 8/14/20 1:52 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: /proc/pid/status VmHWM or  VmRSS + VmSwap Yes, thank you! VmHWM is not so useful for this case, but certainly for others. Comparing with the "top" numbers, the VmRSS total looks slightly high, depend

Re: calculating process memory usage

2020-08-14 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 8/14/20 1:52 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: /proc/pid/status VmHWM or VmRSS + VmSwap Yes, thank you! VmHWM is not so useful for this case, but certainly for others. Comparing with the "top" numbers, the VmRSS total looks slightly high, depending on how zswap factors in to the numbers. The

Re: calculating process memory usage

2020-08-14 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 8/14/20 11:41 AM, Sergio Belkin wrote: Perhaps this ps_mem snippet is useful: 294.8 MiB +   4.7 MiB = 299.4 MiB       telegram-desktop.bin 290.3 MiB +  22.1 MiB = 312.4 MiB       rocketchat-desktop (5) 323.8 MiB +   9.5 MiB = 333.2 MiB       kwin_x11 (9) 344.5 MiB +   1.4 MiB = 345.8

Re: EarlyOOM +ZRAM Only

2020-08-12 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 8/12/20 12:06 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 11:27:37 AM MST Sergio Belkin wrote: mem avail: 337 of 15887 MiB ( 2.13%), swap free:0 of 4095 MiB ( 0.00%) low memory! at or below SIGTERM limits: mem 2.52%, swap 10.00% sending SIGTERM to process 1898342 uid

Re: EarlyOOM +ZRAM Only

2020-08-12 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 8/12/20 11:27 AM, Sergio Belkin wrote: I 've just had a problem using EarlyOOM + ZRAM. I haven't a disk-based swap partition. I was using mainly Zoom (desktop app) + Firefox + VirtualBox (Debian with 4GB of RAM), and EarlyOOM killed Zoom in the middle of a call :( This is the log: The

Re: Media key support in F32 / Gnome / systemd

2020-08-08 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 8/8/20 11:30 AM, Christopher wrote: Thanks for the sanity check and for setting me on the right path. This isn't a great user experience, but at least it is *possible* to configure things the way I want. Well, for most users, it's a great experience because the keys do what they say they

Re: Media key support in F32 / Gnome / systemd

2020-08-08 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 8/8/20 3:52 AM, Christopher wrote: Does anybody know what the current state of media key support is in F32 / Gnome / systemd? Is it currently broken? It works great. I recently bought a Logitech MK270 wireless mouse/keyboard (pretty common), which has a "power" media key, which seems to

Re: Btrfs by default, the compression option

2020-07-29 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/10/20 1:56 AM, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: Le jeudi 09 juillet 2020 à 23:47 +, Zachary Lym a écrit : Yes, it's completely reasonable to not do it. It might seem like a big change on its own, but Btrfs has had native compression for 10+ years, and at least three years for most all

Re: Query on upgrading the Fedora package

2020-07-29 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/28/20 9:56 PM, Muneendra Kumar M via devel wrote: Can anyone provide the info for the below one. Jonathan Wakely already replied with a detailed explanation. If you still have questions, you should reply to that email with some more details about what you're trying to do and what the

Re: Serial port sniffing?

2020-07-19 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/19/20 2:23 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: I would like to monitor serial port communications read only, but I haven't found a tool that makes that easy in the Fedora repos. Are you just wanting to listen to what's coming in or do you want to intercept communication between a process and the

Re: Heads up: changing the subject format of change proposal announcements

2020-07-16 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/16/20 2:37 PM, Ben Cotton wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 4:20 PM Jonathan Wakely wrote: FCP33 seems a bit cryptic. F33 CHANGE is self-explanatory. Agreed. No need to invent initialisms unnecessarily. I could go with something like: F$version Change proposal: $title - $type For

Re: Heads up: changing the subject format of change proposal announcements

2020-07-16 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/16/20 1:19 PM, Jonathan Wakely wrote: On 16/07/20 08:39 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 11:49:13AM -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 7/15/20 3:30 AM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: >FCP33: Support PARSEC [Self-Contained] >FCP33: PostgreSQL 31 [Self-Con

Re: Heads up: changing the subject format of change proposal announcements

2020-07-15 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/15/20 3:30 AM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: FCP33: Support PARSEC [Self-Contained] FCP33: PostgreSQL 31 [Self-Contained] FCP33: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN [Self-Contained] FCP33: Golang 1.15 [Late, System-Wide] FCP33: X.org Utility Deaggregation [Self-Contained] Yes!

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-13 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/13/20 8:21 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Monday, July 13, 2020 1:58:30 AM MST Benjamin Berg wrote: But, I also think that the people proposing this have done quite a lot of testing to find reasonable values for various scenarios. If they have done their job correctly, then EarlyOOM will

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-11 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/11/20 1:09 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: It's demonstrably false that php-fpm "saves hundreds" of milliseconds, unless you're counting up every single saved ms over the course of a server's runtime. It's not really faster than mod_php, except in cases where opcache is used, and you can

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-11 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/10/20 10:55 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: I demonstrated how it adds ~1ms to requests. That's one of the major downsides to using FastCGI, and it's unavoidable. You didn't demonstrate anything, you made an unsubstantiated claim. Did you even look at the link that was given? Regardless

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-07 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/7/20 12:39 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 11:26 am, Samuel Sieb wrote: Why do you think it's gone?  It's in the "standard" group, so I think it should be installed on anything other than base minimal.  I find that it's installed on everything. Warning:

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-07-07 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/7/20 7:56 AM, Michal Schorm wrote: What I miss is the presence of nano in the default installations and images. I strongly believe it was there just a few Fedora releases back, but now, it's gone. Why do you think it's gone? It's in the "standard" group, so I think it should be

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/6/20 4:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: If you mean the EFI boot manager entry, just renaming the existing one something other than "Fedora" ought to do the trick, I think. So far as /boot/efi goes...well, you have two choices. You can have the two installs share one, or have two separate

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-07-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/6/20 1:48 PM, Sergio Belkin wrote: At https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SwapOnZRAM#Why_systemd_zram-generator.3F it says: "Do not create swap partition/LV with default installations." I don't understand if it is a description or a prescription :)I mean, can coexist swap

Re: User experience issue on btrfs

2020-07-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/3/20 9:37 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: To give the nodatacow suggestion a try: ## shutdown the database # mkdir /var/lib/mysql2 # chattr +C /var/lib/mysql2 # cp /var/lib/mysql/* /var/lib/mysql2/ # rm /var/lib/mysql/ # mv /var/lib/mysql2/ /var/lib/mysql/ ## resume operation To avoid possible

Re: [Test-Announce] [Test Day] F33 SwapOnZRAM 2020-07-06

2020-07-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/4/20 11:54 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 12:28 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: It is available on F31, I have it installed. When I checked the version, I found that it's a module, so you wouldn't see it in that location. You can just dnf install it and it will work. # rpm -q

Re: [Test-Announce] [Test Day] F33 SwapOnZRAM 2020-07-06

2020-07-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/4/20 1:35 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: Em Wed, 1 Jul 2020 09:34:18 +0530 Sumantro Mukherjee escreveu: [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:F33_SwapOnZRAM Hmm... it mentions that Fedora 31 would be ok for the tests, but the zram-generator package is not available on Fedora 31:

Re: Remove device-mapper-multipath from the Fedora workstation livecd - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-06-29 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/29/20 4:13 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Monday, June 29, 2020 4:03:06 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: Actually, multipath is used outside of datacenters and enterprise setups. A better solution would be to use Anaconda to include it when configured, and leave it out otherwise.. Anaconda

Re: Disable dmraid.service on first run if no dmraid sets are found - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-06-29 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/29/20 3:59 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:37 pm, Samuel Sieb wrote: But that should be running concurrently.  Does the plot show anything important waiting for it?  Your desktop should be able to load before that service is finished starting. Well notably

Re: Disable dmraid.service on first run if no dmraid sets are found - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-06-29 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/29/20 1:57 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:45 pm, Michael Catanzaro wrote: We might need to explicitly disable systemd-udev-settle.service during the system upgrade to turn it off? Doesn't work... I tried 'systemctl disable systemd-udev-settle.service' and

Re: NetworkManager keyfile instead of ifcfg-rh - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-06-29 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/29/20 11:44 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Monday, June 29, 2020 11:35:55 AM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: Is there any easy way to convert profiles from ifcfg-rh to keyfile? I don't think that'd be a good idea. The Change shows that ifcfg-rh formatted files will continue to be supported, so

Re: NetworkManager keyfile instead of ifcfg-rh - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-06-29 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/29/20 9:40 AM, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NetworkManager_keyfile_instead_of_ifcfg_rh == Summary == Change the default settings plugin of NetworkManager so that new profiles will be created in keyfile format instead of ifcfg-rh format. Is there any easy way

Re: Heads up: changing the subject format of change proposal announcements

2020-06-29 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/29/20 8:22 AM, Ben Cotton wrote: I will replace "Fedora Change proposal: " with " - Fedora Change proposal" As noted by Milan Crha, the existing format can result in threads that are hard to distinguish when the subject is truncated by the width of the mail client window. Screens are

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-29 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/29/20 12:27 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Monday, June 29, 2020 12:18:28 AM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: On 6/28/20 11:35 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: For the best filesystem ever created, ZFS, I can't say that I agree with your assessment of that value. Having ZFS in Fedora would throw

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-29 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/28/20 11:35 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: For the best filesystem ever created, ZFS, I can't say that I agree with your assessment of that value. Having ZFS in Fedora would throw Fedora over the top as being the best Linux distro, hands down. I can count the number of times that having root

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-28 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/26/20 2:22 PM, Przemek Klosowski via devel wrote: Even though technically dnf system-upgrade can --download-dir to a location off / it doesn't seem to work with the actual upgrade, so the only way I know is to delete largest packages (flightGear*, piglit*, KiCAD*, ...) and reinstall them

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-28 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/28/20 10:03 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Saturday, June 27, 2020 1:06:01 PM MST Igor Raits wrote: On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 09:58 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: I definitely agree on taking out "rhgb quiet", that's annoying as all hell, not knowing what's going on during the boot process.

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/26/20 1:13 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 09:40:32 +0200, Samuel Sieb wrote: That's only if you start vi without a file. Otherwise, you just get the text of the file on the screen and the bottom line with the filename and cursor position. No info at all about what just

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/26/20 12:44 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 09:38:06 +0200, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 6/26/20 12:27 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: Some replies also do not like this change, I am not alone. Still it looks like there area really more votes for this change than against it. Fine with me

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/26/20 12:42 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 03:31:10 +0200, Samuel Sieb wrote: But regardless, that's something to fix in the dnf bash completion scripts, not a reason to completely disable completion as the earlier poster said. TL;DR it regresses the original bash

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/26/20 12:20 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 03:48:56 +0200, Adam Williamson wrote: 3. provides a handy reference of key combos you can use to get help, save the file, and exit. Yes, you have to know that ^O means "ctrl+O", but figuring that out is a lot easier than working

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/26/20 12:27 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 02:25:24 +0200, Matthew Miller wrote: But, if you don't like our offerings that are targetted that way, I suggest you make a spin or remix that has all of defaults _you_ want. So FESCo has decided and there is no point of

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/26/20 12:30 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 01:34:19 +0200, Samuel Sieb wrote: I agree with your points, but pressing ESC only reverses the "rhgb" part, the kernel output is still "quiet". If the kernel really locks up it is locked up and no keys work an

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/25/20 6:48 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: Nothing in vi's default view (if launched with a file, which is what happens in this case) tells you you need to press 'insert' in order to actually edit anything. Nothing in vi's default view tells you you have to type the entirely cryptic sequence

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-25 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/25/20 4:48 PM, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:40 AM Peter Hutterer wrote: disclaimer: I'm using zsh, not bash but it has the same issue. But IMO you can't really blame it - how is the completion to know that you want to install an RPM in the current directory? The

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-25 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/25/20 4:11 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 3:38 PM Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 21:21:37 +0200, Chris Adams wrote: Unless you are doing kernel development, why do you care what the kernel messages say? On my systems, they go by too fast to read anyway.

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-25 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/25/20 10:18 AM, Ben Cotton wrote: ** Modify comps to include nano Fedora wide. "nano" is already included by default. Did you mean this to say you'll include the new "nano-editor" package by default? ** Create a new subpackage of nano, called nano-editor. ** nano-editor to include

Re: SELinux question

2020-06-25 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/24/20 12:03 PM, Iñaki Ucar wrote: Thanks. I found another tutorial (from RedHat) which basically says: 1. Implement your service, give it a new SELinux type and run it. 2. Collect all the complaints from SELinux. 3. Use audit2allow to convert them to rules. 4. Repeat until you don't get

Re: Regarding behaviour of Gnome and Fedora members

2020-06-12 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/12/20 3:50 AM, Ty Young wrote: Gnome recently has stirred up controversy lately and aren't taking other people's opinions very well, to say the least. So far they've locked three threads: It doesn't look to me like it's Gnome stirring up the controversy and they've been responding very

Re: swap-on-ZRAM by default

2020-06-09 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/9/20 1:57 PM, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 5:43 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: On 6/9/20 6:49 AM, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote: Well, that's really the point. The one you're using is one of the (4? 5?) other zram implementations. It seems a bit more straightforward than the systemd

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-09 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/9/20 1:43 AM, Marius Schwarz wrote: And ZRAM is one of the tools, that should not be enabled by default anyway. In a best case scenario it extends memory, but in most cases it slows it down. With 16GB there isn't even a use-case for it. It doesn't slow anything down. If you don't use it,

Re: swap-on-ZRAM by default

2020-06-09 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/9/20 6:49 AM, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote: Well, that's really the point. The one you're using is one of the (4? 5?) other zram implementations. It seems a bit more straightforward than the systemd one for sure. The zram-generator is probably more straightforward (with literally less layers

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-07 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/6/20 4:55 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Saturday, June 6, 2020 3:16:02 PM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: Great, then it probably wouldn't benefit you, but it also would not harm you at all either. In my case, my laptop was constantly thrashing the swap and now it isn't, so I'm very happy about

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/6/20 9:27 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Sat, Jun 06, 2020 at 01:15:35AM -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: See, this is a clear indication that you don't understand what it is doing and weren't listening to the various people trying to explain it. Not sure this is needed. The conversation so

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/6/20 10:41 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Saturday, June 6, 2020 1:15:35 AM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: On 6/6/20 12:42 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On my laptop, a Lenovo X200T with Core(TM)2 Duo CPU U9300; 6 GiB RAM, enabling swap on zram led to increased CPU usage (Always above 13% where

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/6/20 9:04 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 04:07:44PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: This laptop with 8GiB RAM is running two VMs at the same time: Windows 10 and Fedora Workstation 32. The host is Fedora Workstation 32. So this suggests another interesting question: If

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/6/20 12:42 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On my laptop, a Lenovo X200T with Core(TM)2 Duo CPU U9300; 6 GiB RAM, enabling swap on zram led to increased CPU usage (Always above 13% where normally idling at 6%!), and my entire system freezing after about 30 minutes. In all fairness, I don't know

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/5/20 11:43 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: Completely agreed, going about it this way would also address most of my concerns with this change, as it would mean it's easy for people like myself to opt out. If you don't want it, then disable the generator or uninstall it. I don't understand

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/5/20 7:33 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 8:12 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: All three of those listed provide competing configurations for swap on zram. Just to make a fine point, zram is generic, it is not swap specific. It's just a compressed ram disk. Zswap is a different thing

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/5/20 6:59 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 6:47 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: I installed the zram package and noticed the systemd-swap package, so installed that also. There are conflicting implementations: anaconda package provides zram.service zram package provides zram

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Samuel Sieb
I installed the zram package and noticed the systemd-swap package, so installed that also. I adjusted the zram setting to 4G and reduced zswap a bit. I have no idea what that is doing, it doesn't seem to affect anything I can measure. The overall improvement in responsiveness is very nice.

Re: broken threads

2020-06-05 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/5/20 2:14 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: This has been bothering me for a while, it occurs quite often for certain posters to the list, and since Jeff's replies reproduce this issue, let me ask: Why is the threading broken with Jeff's replies to this thread? Looking at the headers,

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/5/20 12:18 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: Well, that's for the GNOME stuff. This is a system-wide change proposal, is it not? Additionally, you could still be meeting that requirement here, as a new install with the same options selected, that is, to have a swap partition, would disable the

Re: Proposal: Install gparted to Live installers

2020-06-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/4/20 9:52 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: I don't think we actually have the technical capability to ship it in live media without also installing it by default on the installed system. It currently has to run as root, which is not acceptable, so would require some work to split out

Re: Supporting hibernation in Workstation ed., draft 1

2020-06-03 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/3/20 12:06 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: On Tue, 2020-06-02 at 21:58 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: Why? Evil maid attacks. Because without a signature you could replace the whole image with a completely functional one that you fully control. Boot the system with a hybernation image generated

Re: Supporting hibernation in Workstation ed., draft 1

2020-06-02 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/2/20 9:25 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 8:33 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:45:40 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 9:26 PM Tony Nelson wrote: On 20-05-30 21:02:11, Chris Murphy wrote: ... Full disk encryption doesn't

Re: Supporting hibernation in Workstation ed., draft 1

2020-06-02 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/2/20 7:41 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: In what way is it incompatible with UEFI Secure Boot? If the kernel and initramfs are signed, and the resume image is for that kernel, how is this an issue? What if swap is on LUKS? Do you understand how hibernation works? It doesn't matter if the

Re: F30 security update submitted for stable "marked obsolete" instead of being pushed

2020-05-27 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/26/20 8:13 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 4:08:52 PM MST Miro Hrončok wrote: On 27. 05. 20 0:56, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: Can someone explain why my update[1] which was submitted for F30 stable was not pushed but "marked obsolete"? It was a security

Re: Re-Launching the Java SIG

2020-05-18 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/18/20 5:54 PM, Ty Young wrote: I'm not advocating for in-kernel drivers. AMD with their drivers has proven proven what a bad idea that is. I, for the most part, like where I'm at and the way Nvidia does things. If I'm against it, I don't see why I would be the one to do it. This comment

Re: how to explicitly disable rawhide while building a spin/remix

2020-05-18 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/17/20 5:07 PM, Globe Trotter via devel wrote: Thanks! Adding "--releasever=32" to the command addresses that problem. Btw, how do I get around a disk requirement? What causes an error like this? Error Summary - Disk Requirements:    At least 137MB more space needed on the /

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