Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-07-05 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
How can you know if this interface is not emulated, and you never talk to the real cpu. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-07-07 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
That attack is a real thing, its called a mitm, but things use https now, so you would need a malicious CA. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-07-07 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
Also, whats stops the owner of the machine to run the vm in a normal hypervisor, then modify it so any attempts to check if it is "trusted" will always look real. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-07-07 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
If it is really compromised, then you have to assume anything the vm sends you is fake. As far as the owner of guest knows, there could not even a a real vm, only a ssh shell that looks like it. In a real situation, the guest owner would send the host owner a "starting disk" or ISO. Then the

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-07-04 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
> My expectation would be that by default we'd just use the GPT auto discovery stuff Existing Fedora installations do not follow the GPT auto discovery spec. Also, I think the existing system for the root device can still work, it is passed in the command line, not the initrd.

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-07-04 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
With virtual machines, nothing can actually be verified completely, the host running the vm can, 1) Modify the firmware to intercept anything the attacker wants, or 2) directly intercept things at the cpu level. ___ devel mailing list --

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-07-04 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
Even if initrds are (somehow) signed, the kernel command line can still be modified, like adding `init=/usr/bin/bash`. Also, if everything is signed by fedora, then the user can not modify the command line. There is a lot of hardware that needs command line modifications to boot. Also, fedora

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-07-04 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
I think using credentials for the rootfs is not very useful, the user already enters the LUKS password on boot. Also, if the encryption keys are not stored locally, then they have no use, an attacker can just get them from the external storage. Many users also would not like needing an

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-07-04 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
> Like what? I know there are some efi implementations that need pcie_ports=compat. I also know that sometimes you need intel_iommu or amd_iommu=off. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-07-04 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
> level of tweaking then it's probably totally OK to just turn >of Secureboot, at which point you can change it freely. The user having choice and the user having secure shouldn't be mutually exclusive. Also, if users have "special" hardware, shouldn't they also have security.

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-06-28 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
A key on an encrypted disk can still prevent evil maid attacks, though an attacker with local access can still compromise the system. In the current system, an attacker with permissions required to read kernel memory can just ask the shim to boot their modified kernel.

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-07-01 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
The entire purpose of a unified kernel image is to have the initrd bundled, so it can be signed. systemd-boot also supports s multiple initrds. If there was a way to sign the initrd and command line locally, and sign have fedora sign the kernel, then there shouldn't have to be a huge initrd.

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-06-27 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
This is a good idea, but some users might want to modify or need to modify the command line to boot, if it was signed using fedoras key, then you cant do that. Also some users dont like keeping their trust in fedora and would like to modify their kernel freely. Also, though the private key is

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-06-27 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
Akmods can automatically sign kernel modules, its just a few commands and then every version will be signed. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-06-27 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
Secure boot itself, when used right, actually helps your privacy. Microsoft doesn't require oems to allow the keys to be changed, so it sometimes prevents your freedom, but when implemented right, it can stop evil maid attacks. Also, even when you cant remove Microsoft keys, you can still use

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-06-27 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
> How big is the demand for this kind of lockdown? It can help users security, but most users have no idea what this is. Software should be secure by itself, without users needing extra effort. > As a since-last-century Linux user, I'm choosing Fedora > exactly to NOT have all this

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-06-27 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
The latest akmods version can automatically sign kernel modules, it could even be enabled by default. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-06-27 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
If the system owner wanted to, they could use their own firmware/ comprimise firmware, then fake the firmware version to something new, the vm could not even be interacting with the cpu at all. Also, if the keys are in the cpu, then the keys can be extracted.

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-06-26 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
This could be for a later fedora version if it doesnt work. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-06-28 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
It would be stored with permissions for only root to read it, and you disk should be encrypted, or none of this matters. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-06-30 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
Also, can it be fixed so adding the --uefi flag to dracut works with the default generation scripots ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: F37 Change Proposal: Unfiltered Flathub (System-Wide Change)

2022-06-30 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
> The Flathub remote is available to users who opt-in to enabling > third-party software repositories in either GNOME Initial Setup or > GNOME Software. A lot of flatpaks in Flathub have debatable quality, and are closed source. If we could wait until flathub separates open-source and

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-07-06 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
It should be possible to load sd-boot directly, it picks up any kernel in /boot/EFI/linux for me. Try loading sd-boot directly from ovmf, skipping grub. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-06-19 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
Use unified kernel images by default for new releases. This can allow for the local installation to sign the kernel and the initrd, so the boot chain can be verified until after the uefi. Currently, the initrd can be modified by attackers, so even if the / partition is encrypted, the systems

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-07-19 Thread Sharpened Blade via devel
Would pre-building the initrds mean all users have to use the same partition layout. If that happened, than many people dual boot setups will not work ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to