[Test-Announce] 2019-10-21 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora 31 Blocker Review Meeting

2019-10-18 Thread Adam Williamson
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[Test-Announce] Proposal to CANCEL: 2019-10-21 Fedora QA Meeting

2019-10-18 Thread Adam Williamson
of anything important we have to discuss this week, please do reply to this mail and we can go ahead and run the meeting. Thanks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-10-18 Thread Adam Williamson
le to go back and check the various docs and blog posts and things the modularity team put out before just suggesting 'hey what about this other thing', especially where 'this other thing' is something you could reasonably imagine at least one of them would probably have heard or thought of.

Re: Next F31 push?

2019-10-18 Thread Adam Williamson
n't see this as a very bad hack in terms of 'tech debt' at all. We've done a lot worse in the past! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net ___ devel

[Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Branched 20191018.n.0 nightly compose nominated for testing

2019-10-18 Thread Adam Williamson
Announcing the creation of a new nightly release validation test event for Fedora 31 Branched 20191018.n.0. Please help run some tests for this nightly compose if you have time. For more information on nightly release validation testing, see:

Re: Next F31 push?

2019-10-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2019-10-18 at 11:22 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > As things stand I'm reasonably confident we'll be able to Go next week, > > I don't see a fix for the module upgrade path blocker in sight any time > soon. There are three viable ones propose

Re: Next F31 push?

2019-10-18 Thread Adam Williamson
set. Bugs that get baked into the live images or the installer are there forever. A bug that only goes out in an update can be replaced by a fixed update. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

Re: Next F31 push?

2019-10-18 Thread Adam Williamson
to the historical average. I do think that's given us a benefit in terms of how little slippage we've had for the last few releases, though; we could always consider freezing a bit later, but it might result in us slipping more... -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw |

Re: Modularity and the system-upgrade path

2019-10-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2019-10-17 at 14:44 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 10/17/19 2:35 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Thu, 2019-10-17 at 09:32 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Thursday, October 17, 2019 1:59:19 AM MST Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > > > > The one thin

Re: Modularity and the system-upgrade path

2019-10-17 Thread Adam Williamson
to still make it deployable via kickstart, that creates a requirement for default stream modules or something a lot like it. Of course if you just don't modularize FreeIPA at all you don't have the kickstart problem, but then you *do* still have the 'we're stuck shipping this one version of FreeI

Re: Modularity and the system-upgrade path

2019-10-17 Thread Adam Williamson
instead, we > would > have no problem either. > > But to extend there a bit, that would also be coorect had there been no > computers.  Imagine no computers / Only farms of yaks...  -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMP

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-10-16 Thread Adam Williamson
I'd be surprised if we don't wind up having to make significant changes/enhancements to the modularity rules and/or implementation to be able to resolve the issues we're dealing with right now (Stephen, in some of his replies, seems to agree) and to me it'd be valid to call that 'modularity v3'. Whether anyone el

Re: proposal to allow on-demand side tags in F32+

2019-10-16 Thread Adam Williamson
th buildroot overrides, but at least those are identifiable artifacts you can relatively easily get a start/end date for. This is like buildroot overrides on steroids in some ways (though better in one way - it doesn't affect *every* build). -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC:

Re: Failure creating Fedora ID

2019-10-15 Thread Adam Williamson
mbinations of characters in > rapid succession. To make such brute force attacks harder we enforce some > minimum levels of strength: > > A passphrase with symbols, upper and lowercase letters, and digits must be at > least 9 characters So is your password at least 9 char

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-10-15 Thread Adam Williamson
ned between a Beta release and a Final release. This is causing us to have to deal with some icky problems, but again, that's not *new*. We had to deal with some fairly icky problems when systemd showed up. We had to deal with some fairly icky problems when grub2 showed up. It's a process we've dealt wit

Re: Defining the future of the packager workflow in Fedora

2019-10-11 Thread Adam Williamson
with sensible conditionals. It all depends a lot on what you prefer as an individual and exactly how much difference there needs to be between branches. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassa

[Test-Announce] 2019-10-14 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora 31 Blocker Review Meeting

2019-10-11 Thread Adam Williamson
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[Test-Announce] Proposal to CANCEL: 2019-10-14 Fedora QA Meeting

2019-10-11 Thread Adam Williamson
Hi folks! I'm proposing we cancel the QA meeting for Monday. Once again I don't think there's anything urgent right now (the Xen criterion probably isn't urgent again as it looks like we have a fix for the bug there) and we're focused on F31 release testing right now. There will be a blocker

Re: Modularity and the system-upgrade path

2019-10-11 Thread Adam Williamson
e doing for us, so we can at least attempt to then ask and answer the question "is it actually achieving these things"? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net __

Heads-up: openQA scheduling outage over last 2 days

2019-10-09 Thread Adam Williamson
with the backlog, so results will start appearing for updates and composes that were missed soon. Sorry for any inconvenience. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

Re: what to do without fedocal [was Re: CPE Team Weekly Update: 2019-10-04]

2019-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
but we didn't come to any solid conclusions besides "uhhh...google?" -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net ___ devel mailing list -- dev

[Test-Announce] 2019-10-07 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora 31 Blocker Review Meeting

2019-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
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[Test-Announce] Proposal to CANCEL: 2019-10-07 Fedora QA Meeting

2019-10-04 Thread Adam Williamson
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Re: Fedora-31-20190930.n.1 compose check report

2019-10-01 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2019-09-30 at 18:32 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2019-10-01 at 00:13 +, Fedora compose checker wrote: > > No missing expected images. > > > > Failed openQA tests: 5/152 (x86_64), 1/2 (arm) > > > > New failures (same test not failed in Fed

Re: Fedora-31-20190930.n.1 compose check report

2019-09-30 Thread Adam Williamson
ose: pcscd.service > System load changed from 0.92 to 0.35 > Previous test data: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/459696#downloads > Current test data: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/460882#downloads KDE folks, is pcscd.service going away expected? -- Adam Willia

[Test-Announce] 2019-09-30 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora 31 Blocker Review Meeting

2019-09-27 Thread Adam Williamson
://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Criteria -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net ___ test-announce mailing list -- test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[Test-Announce] 2019-09-30 @ 15:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2019-09-27 Thread Adam Williamson
any other items for the agenda, please reply to this email and suggest them! Thanks. == Proposed Agenda Topics == 1. Previous meeting follow-up 2. Fedora 31 status 3. Criteria proposals status 4. Test Day / community event status, onboarding call planning 5. Open floor -- Adam Williamson Fedora

Re: Major update to LLVM appearing in F31 without any communication, appears to violate update policy

2019-09-27 Thread Adam Williamson
nd then mesa, it should be fine. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe s

Re: Major update to LLVM appearing in F31 without any communication, appears to violate update policy

2019-09-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2019-09-26 at 20:55 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: > Hi Tom, > > On 26-09-2019 20:47, Tom Stellard wrote: > > On 09/26/2019 11:24 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Thu, 2019-09-26 at 11:20 -0700, Tom Stellard wrote: > > > > On 09/26/2019 11:03 AM,

Re: Major update to LLVM appearing in F31 without any communication, appears to violate update policy

2019-09-26 Thread Adam Williamson
pdates/FEDORA-2019-52ecb9952b and https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2019-b83bd6b46c - but that was not really what I wanted to discuss in this thread. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyass

Re: Major update to LLVM appearing in F31 without any communication, appears to violate update policy

2019-09-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2019-09-26 at 11:20 -0700, Tom Stellard wrote: > On 09/26/2019 11:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > We are currently in the "Beta to Pre Release" phase of the release > > cycle. The updates policy for this phase - > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upd

Re: Major update to LLVM appearing in F31 without any communication, appears to violate update policy

2019-09-26 Thread Adam Williamson
rules for the period between branch point and the Beta release, you can do major updates during that period. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net ___

Major update to LLVM appearing in F31 without any communication, appears to violate update policy

2019-09-26 Thread Adam Williamson
or dumping in a major new LLVM and violating the update policy at this point in the F31 release? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net _

Re: Defining the future of the packager workflow in Fedora

2019-09-26 Thread Adam Williamson
and it runs a scratch build. This is great for simple release bumps, but there's still all sorts of cases where it's not enough or you're just doing something else. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Candidate Beta-1.1 Available Now!

2019-09-24 Thread Adam Williamson
t that :) Is it reproducible? Can you paste what you get if you go to: https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-31=ppc64le ? Thanks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassa

Re: RPM Fusion Bugzilla Bug 5307

2019-09-23 Thread Adam Williamson
we did when the decision not to do regular official respins was made, so it's a decision that could be revisited at some point. But that's where we are right now. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happy

[Test-Announce] 2019-09-23 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora 31 Blocker Review Meeting

2019-09-20 Thread Adam Williamson
/wiki/Fedora_Release_Criteria -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net ___ test-announce mailing list -- test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[Test-Announce] Proposal to CANCEL: 2019-09-23 Fedora QA Meeting

2019-09-20 Thread Adam Williamson
Hi folks! I'm proposing we cancel the QA meeting for Monday. We met the last two weeks, and I don't think there's anything urgent right now. There will be a blocker review meeting. Thanks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw

Re: Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2019-09-19 at 21:56 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 9/19/19 9:28 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Please note, I'm not sure if you're aware, but it's certainly not the > > case that Kevin "contribute[s] nothing in return". He's worked on > > Fedora p

Re: Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-19 Thread Adam Williamson
hings" don't exist unless someone makes them. Please note, I'm not sure if you're aware, but it's certainly not the case that Kevin "contribute[s] nothing in return". He's worked on Fedora packaging, especially around KDE, for many years. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Commun

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread Adam Williamson
sitory >- jsoncpp-1.8.4-6.fc30.x86_64 does not belong to a distupgrade repository That's not a Fedora package, it's from a third-party repository, so you need to talk to the third party in question ;) It looks like their package just needs a rebuild. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Communit

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread Adam Williamson
kage. You'll only get a modular package if you explicitly enable the module. As Petr points out, what's happening here is DNF is noticing that a package in one of the module streams satisfies the missing dependency, but that package is 'excluded' (because that module stream is not enabled). And as he al

Re: Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-17 Thread Adam Williamson
computers away. Fedora is telling you it doesn't intend to continue providing software that can run on those systems. This is a choice Fedora gets to make. There are *lots* of computers out there which Fedora doesn't work on. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: Adam

Re: openQA test flake heads-up: desktop_browser test failures

2019-09-16 Thread Adam Williamson
t's https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1580152 . After investigating a bit I think the openQA issue is the same thing or related, but not 100% sure. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyass

openQA test flake heads-up: desktop_browser test failures

2019-09-14 Thread Adam Williamson
that hit this bug when I see them, so eventually you should see the result for your update clear up, but until then you can safely ignore it. Martin, I'll file a bug on this for you. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net

[Test-Announce] 2019-09-16 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora 31 Blocker Review Meeting

2019-09-13 Thread Adam Williamson
/wiki/Fedora_Release_Criteria -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net ___ test-announce mailing list -- test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[Test-Announce] 2019-09-16 @ 15:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2019-09-13 Thread Adam Williamson
. If anyone has any other items for the agenda, please reply to this email and suggest them! Thanks. == Proposed Agenda Topics == 1. Previous meeting follow-up 2. Fedora 31 status 3. Automatic blockers vs. 'last minute' blockers: FIGHT 4. Test Day / community event status 5. Open floor -- Adam

Re: Orphaned packages to be retired (~400 during this week)

2019-09-09 Thread Adam Williamson
s I'm certainly no kind of SDN expert, but if no- one else picks it up I probably will in the end. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net _

Re: Fedora-Rawhide-20190909.n.1 compose check report

2019-09-09 Thread Adam Williamson
d 7 skipped tests. I didn't rerun the tests for the three composes in the middle, it didn't seem super important. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net __

Re: Fedora 31 System-Wide Change proposal (late): No i686 Repositories

2019-09-08 Thread Adam Williamson
ry arches. But that didn't really pan out: the x86 list has had 38 mails, ever, most of which are people asking for someone to look at an x86-specific problem and...no-one doing it. Some folks did attempt to help, but there really wasn't enough time+expertise there to make it viable. -- Adam Williamson

[Test-Announce] 2019-09-09 @ 15:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2019-09-08 Thread Adam Williamson
: Xen / EC2, btrfs 4. Test Day / community event status 5. Open floor -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net ___ test-announce mailing list -- test

[Test-Announce] CORRECTION: ** 2019-09-09 ** @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora 31 Blocker Review Meeting

2019-09-08 Thread Adam Williamson
Sorry folks, I obviously forgot to edit the date in the last mail :) The meeting is tomorrow, 2019-09-09. # F31 Blocker Review meeting # Date: ** 2019-09-09 ** # Time: 16:00 UTC # Location: #fedora-blocker-review on irc.freenode.net Hi folks! We have 5 proposed Beta blockers, 1 proposed Final

[Test-Announce] 2019-08-26 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora 31 Blocker Review Meeting

2019-09-08 Thread Adam Williamson
://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Criteria -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net ___ test-announce mailing list -- test-annou

Re: Fedora 31 System-Wide Change proposal (late): No i686 Repositories

2019-09-07 Thread Adam Williamson
is not even mentioned in such discussions? Is this > just business as usual? Obligatory: http://islinuxaboutchoice.com/ -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net __

Re: Fedora-Rawhide-20190905.n.0 compose check report

2019-09-05 Thread Adam Williamson
ug.cgi?id=1749575 and there's a few little test buglets I need to figure out fixes for. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net _

Re: Fedora-31-20190905.n.0 compose check report

2019-09-05 Thread Adam Williamson
https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/443107 This is an odd failed needle match because the text was a bit darker than expected, or something. I re-ran the test and it passed. So overall we're looking quite good on the tests for F31 at this point. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Mo

[Test-Announce] Proposal to CANCEL: 2019-09-02 Fedora QA Meeting

2019-08-30 Thread Adam Williamson
meeting, but it will be on *Tuesday*. Thanks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net ___ test-announce mailing list -- test-annou

[Test-Announce] **2019-09-03** (TUESDAY) @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora 31 Blocker Review Meeting

2019-08-30 Thread Adam Williamson
a Blocker Review Meeting works - or how it's supposed to go and you want to run one - check out the SOP on the wiki: - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting Have a good weekend and see you on Tuesday! [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Criteria -- Adam Williamson

Re: f32/rawhide, nothing provides module(platform:f31)

2019-08-30 Thread Adam Williamson
x86_64 is excluded > - package libgit2-0.28.2-3.fc31.x86_64 is excluded > > the same bucket or not? Not. If you're getting it on an installed system that you're upgrading, you probably need to manually switch the libgit2 module from the 0.27 stream to the 0.28 stream, that should clear i

Re: Error with fedpkg update

2019-08-29 Thread Adam Williamson
mplate is saved as bodhi.template.last I mean, as a simple fix why not just bump it and do a -2 build and see if you can send an update for that? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.ha

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-29 Thread Adam Williamson
affected by this decision. > > > > The default firewall config affects every user of that edition, even > if they never use GNOME (or even use graphical boot). So, I don't know > if this would be adequate. Why would you install Workstation if you didn't intend to use GNOM

Re: Fedora-31-20190828.n.0 compose check report

2019-08-28 Thread Adam Williamson
me issues with module defaults: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1746389 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1746384 and an anaconda bug that affects some of the different storage config install tests: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1743753 -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-28 Thread Adam Williamson
k that it's in the release criteria and validation tests. Assuming folks still think this would be valuable, I'll file a ticket for us to work on that. I must also congratulate mclasen for this, given Christopher's comment that Michael replied to: "18:20:33 * mclasen waits for the suggestion

Re: Debates/back and forths

2019-08-28 Thread Adam Williamson
rested in. Have you seen the page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join ? It's a pretty good starting point. If you're still having trouble finding a way in, feel free to mail me, I can probably either help you or point you at someone else who can :) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey

Re: Minimization Team Meeting notes 2019-08-28

2019-08-28 Thread Adam Williamson
> * === Admin === (asamalik, 15:05:02) > > * === Focus & what's next? === (asamalik, 15:09:24) > > * === Open Floor === (asamalik, 15:38:43) You might want to get used to using some #action's, #info's etc. to make this a bit more useful :) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Co

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-28 Thread Adam Williamson
shd is explicitly disabled. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an em

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Adam Williamson
Workstation_PRD#Target_Audience Case 1: "Engineering/CS student" Case 2: "Independent Developer" Case 3: "Small Company Developer" Case 4: "Developer in a Large Organization" Are those people we believe do not understand the concepts associated with firewalls? --

Re: libqalculate soname change

2019-08-26 Thread Adam Williamson
both rawhide and F31 tomorrow. > Maintainers, if you do not want me to touch F31, please let me know. It'd be great if you try and time this so all the builds are done between composes - if the soname bump gets into a compose attempt but the plasma-workspace rebuild does not, it will likely

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-26 Thread Adam Williamson
s: > > rich rules: > > > > I agree that this is quite ill advised. As the maintainer of the Cinnamon > spin, can anyone answer whether (1) this would affect spins other than > Workstation, You get this config if VARIANT_ID in /etc/os-release is set to 'workstation', so onl

[Test-Announce] 2019-08-26 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora 31 Blocker Review Meeting

2019-08-25 Thread Adam Williamson
://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Criteria -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net ___ test-announce mailing list -- test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[Test-Announce] Proposal to CANCEL: 2019-08-26 Fedora QA Meeting

2019-08-25 Thread Adam Williamson
and we can go ahead and run the meeting. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net ___ test-announce mailing list -- test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Error with fedpkg update

2019-08-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2019-08-23 at 14:54 -0300, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 1:49 PM Adam Williamson > wrote: > > > > bodhi is not yet enabled for fedora 31. > > > > > > According to the schedule, that's supposed to happen on 2019-08-29: > > &g

Re: Error with fedpkg update

2019-08-23 Thread Adam Williamson
> > Does anyone have an idea to what the problem is? > > bodhi is not yet enabled for fedora 31. > > According to the schedule, that's supposed to happen on 2019-08-29: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/31/Schedule And just to be clear - that means you don't *nee

Re: fedora-gpg-keys not updated yet again

2019-08-19 Thread Adam Williamson
t; likely the cause of all problems related to f31. A potential 'solution' for this is to stop Rawhide composes at the branch point until a successful Branched compose has run. Not sure if that's too big a hammer for the walnut, though. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC:

Re: ppc64le Rawhide VM issues

2019-08-19 Thread Adam Williamson
leases back, so probably at that point the big-endian qemu executable was dropped and the little-endian one was given the 'ppc64' name. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net __

[Test-Announce] Proposal to CANCEL: 2019-08-19 Fedora 31 Blocker Review Meeting

2019-08-16 Thread Adam Williamson
Hey folks! I'm proposing we cancel the blocker review meeting for Monday; there are no proposed blockers and only one boring accepted blocker on the list. Thanks everyone! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http

[Test-Announce] 2019-08-19 @ 15:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2019-08-16 Thread Adam Williamson
proposals: Xen / EC2 criteria, 'last minute' blockers 4. Storage criteria (drop btrfs? What would that look like?) 5. Test Day / community event status 6. Open floor -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http

Re: Fedora 31 Beta blocker status email #3

2019-08-16 Thread Adam Williamson
that > happening any more. Yeah, I checked it today and it is indeed fixed, I closed the bug. I'll try and send out a mail about btrfs today. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net ___

Re: Fedora 31 Beta blocker status email #3

2019-08-16 Thread Adam Williamson
/blob/master/f/fedora.conf#_130 > ACTION: dracut-modules-olpc to resolve dependency on desired bitfrost package. I would say also releng to consider whether this pungi-fedora config line is reasonable. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw

Re: Let's revisit the FTBFS policy

2019-08-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2019-08-16 at 15:21 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:30:36AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > I think the process is actually great. I kinda prefer the direction of > > travel where we expect that packages are actively maintained and quite &

Re: Let's revisit the FTBFS policy

2019-08-15 Thread Adam Williamson
;I have proper reasons") > > Just being able to let the package rot for 3+ releases is not good enough > reason > IMHO. Or just fix it so it damn well builds. Even if *you* don't need to use it. I mean, is it so hard? I get *itchy* if I have an FTBFS bug on one of my packag

Re: Why does anaconda-core runtime depend on python3-coverage?

2019-08-14 Thread Adam Williamson
t actually booting the installer iso wasn't possible. atodorov may > be able to provide more context. was this possibly to do with the kickstart-tests effort - an attempt to figure out the code coverage of those tests? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW

Re: Let's revisit the FTBFS policy

2019-08-14 Thread Adam Williamson
uft. Occasionally we find something very crufty yet important: this is a *good* outcome of the process. It alerts us to the fact that important stuff depends on something which is not being properly maintained and allows us to address that. No actions here are reversible, retired packages can be and h

Re: Please sweep bodhi updates to testing in a timely manner

2019-08-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2019-08-13 at 23:36 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > It's not really about "accountability", it's simply: we can only really > > assume the package is being tested once it makes it to the repo. Yes > > you can pull it out sooner manual

Re: Please sweep bodhi updates to testing in a timely manner

2019-08-13 Thread Adam Williamson
ted once it makes it to the repo. Yes you can pull it out sooner manually or using bodhi CLI, but very few people do that. The intent of the rule is "we want people to have 7 days to test out the update and make sure it's OK". -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitt

Re: "Bodhi activation point" no longer makes sense

2019-08-13 Thread Adam Williamson
instances, it is a term that is used in many places. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedorap

Re: RANT: compton-ng…

2019-08-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2019-08-13 at 18:42 +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 13.08.2019 18:34, Adam Williamson wrote: > > And yet this thread demonstrates that without good review, we will get > > garbage packages. Review processes exist for a reason. > > Every package can beco

Re: RANT: compton-ng…

2019-08-13 Thread Adam Williamson
t; But he was right. Review process in openSUSE is much more easier, than > in Fedora. And yet this thread demonstrates that without good review, we will get garbage packages. Review processes exist for a reason. > Currently no one want to do it. This is not true. Many people are doing pac

Re: [Xen-devel] Xen / EC2 release criteria proposal

2019-08-12 Thread Adam Williamson
do that Fedora doesn't here? > > It might be worth getting in touch with them. They look like a significant > Xen user, on Fedora. I have no idea, but those seem like reasonable questions. I'll see if I can track down a contact point for them. Thanks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA

Re: [Xen-devel] Xen / EC2 release criteria proposal

2019-08-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2019-08-10 at 17:01 +0300, Matt Wilson wrote: > On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 05:56:11PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > [...] > > So it seems like this would also be a good opportunity to revisit and > > nail down more specifically exactly what our cloud requirements are. >

Re: Xen / EC2 release criteria proposal

2019-08-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2019-08-10 at 00:53 -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:57 PM Adam Williamson > wrote: > > Hey folks! I'm starting a new thread for this to trim the recipient > > list a bit and include devel@ and coreos@. > > > > The Story So

[Test-Announce] Proposal to CANCEL: 2019-08-12 Fedora QA and blocker review meetings

2019-08-09 Thread Adam Williamson
important we have to discuss this week, please do reply to this mail and we can go ahead and run the meeting. Thanks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

Xen / EC2 release criteria proposal

2019-08-09 Thread Adam Williamson
'd actually use to do anything practical in. 3. I believe this wording is generic enough to cover us if we, e.g., want to start blocking on CoreOS images. All we have to do is declare that some CoreOS image is 'release-blocking', and it's instantly covered by this requirement. -- Adam Williamson

Re: Does anybody care about gettext?

2019-08-09 Thread Adam Williamson
ting patches? Do you know he doesn't? But regardless, one person can run an FTBFS notification system. One person cannot fix all the FTBFS bugs. It's similar to the blocker bug process: a couple of us in QA can handle discovering, reporting and tracking blocker bugs. We can't *fix* them all (though I

Re: Does anybody care about gettext?

2019-08-09 Thread Adam Williamson
to be more aggressive > > with > > the reminders, but I don't know if that helps, because even currently, > > packages > > just switch the Bugzilla to ASSIGNED to stop them. > > If you send direct emails to package owner specifying what package is > broken maybe yes. The bug re

Re: Fedora 31 release-blocking deliverables

2019-08-07 Thread Adam Williamson
ocking' which lists non-blocking deliverables, but I'd say at least it should list *all* the deliverables with a column marking whether they're blocking, or *only* list the blocking deliverables. Listing some-but-not-all non-blocking deliverables doesn't make any sense at all. -- Adam Will

Re: Fedora-Rawhide-20190806.n.0 compose check report

2019-08-06 Thread Adam Williamson
lla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1734198 that are causing quite a lot of havoc. Both ought to be addressed with the next compose, so we'll see where we are when that lands. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . ne

[Test-Announce] Proposal to CANCEL: 2019-08-05 Fedora 31 Blocker Review Meeting

2019-08-03 Thread Adam Williamson
the review this week, you can go ahead and take over, just send out an announcement mail and be ready to run the meeting on Monday, following https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting . But if no- one does that...see you on the 12th! Thanks everyone! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community

[Test-Announce] Proposal to CANCEL: 2019-08-05 Fedora QA Meeting

2019-08-03 Thread Adam Williamson
send. Thanks, everyone! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net ___ test-announce mailing list -- test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: systemd-243-rc1

2019-08-03 Thread Adam Williamson
Also, you can use rpm.labelCompare() from the RPM python bindings to check > for version ordering, since rpm.labelCompare() gives you a total order over > (epoch, version, release) string triples. It's easy to wrap that inside an > "idiomatic" python NEVR class that has the desi

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