Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 21:59:40 Tuesday 25 October 2011 Josh Stone wrote: > On 10/25/2011 11:24 AM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > > W dniu 25 października 2011 09:26 użytkownik Michał Piotrowski > > > > napisał: > >> W dniu 25 października 2011 09:20 użytkownik Harald Hoyer > >> > >> napisał: > >>> On 10/24/2011 10:1

Re: rawhide report: 20111016 changes - Maven versions

2011-10-16 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
.depmap.file/maven.local.depmap.file/ . The rest is just things that are not needed anymore but should not break things like defining MAVEN_REPO_LOCAL and passing it to mvn-jpp. P.S. Ville is just the last one I've seen doing that which made me writing this mail. Regards, Alexander Kurtakov -- d

Re: noarch vs missing deps

2011-09-16 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
dist-$version-noppc (you get the idea) target to koji to allow requesting noppc builders for exactly this problem. But until(if) this is done I see no other way than submiting builds until they hit noppc builders. At least I do that often. Regards, Alexander Kurtakov > regards. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-24 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
inging it'. As far as I was concerned, MySQL was just an arbitrary > example chosen by the OP. I want to add one more POV - not every database is constantly-used. Example usage is Amarok using mysql database and I really want mysql to not be started until I start Amarok. Not that this i

Re: question regarding Fedora packaging

2011-08-23 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 13:24:10 Tuesday 23 August 2011 Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Lun 22 août 2011 13:42, Alexander Kurtakov a écrit : > > Nicolas, while this was true things have changed dramatically last year > > and Fedora is now what JPackage was in the past ... > > > > Fedora migh

Re: question regarding Fedora packaging

2011-08-22 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
ny EE platform, Fedora is trying to unify the stack by spending a huge amount of time helping upstream move away from ancient libs, build practices and etc. I can continue listing examples but these 2 alone should be enough for everyone to see that the projects are departing more and more and th

Re: Java 7 for Fedora 16

2011-07-25 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
in Fedora 16. The less duplicating packages we have - the better :). I'm all for reducing the number of jvms we ship (assuming that OpenJDK 7 doesn't break many things). Alexander Kurtakov > > If the reason for asking was w.r.t re-builds, it is unlikely that most > applicati

Re: systemd vice SysV/LSB init systems - what next ?

2011-07-19 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
d tomcat with Eclipse (assuming WTP usage), I personally never managed to make it work so if this was the reason for the complexity it's not smth that ever worked for me. Alexander Kurtakov -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd vice SysV/LSB init systems - what next ?

2011-07-19 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
is just laying around in bugzilla as so many of them but > if the maintainers actually need that stuff they would probably throw it > in /usr/sbin/tomcat6 which is where the actual start magic is happening... FWIW, tomcat package (note the missing 6) is at version 7.x.y and ships with the s

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-14 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 10:51:05 Thursday 14 July 2011 Fabian Deutsch wrote: > > Orphan link-grammar > > I am taking this one. > > - fabiand Can we get a v3 of the packages to be retired? There seem to be enough changes in the list already. Regards, Alexander Kurtakov -- devel

Re: PostgreSQL 9.1 and Lucene Core for F16

2011-07-03 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 09:34:10 AM Saturday, July 02, 2011 Michał Piotrowski wrote: > Hi, > > Are there any plans to provide PostgreSQL 9.1 in Fedora 16? PostgreSQL > 9.1 is in beta2 now and it's scheduled for Q3 2011. > > It would be nice to see Lucene Core in F16. There is an old Lucene > 2.9.x for F16 - the lates

Re: Heads-up: Maven builds might be failing for some period

2011-06-23 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 07:38:37 PM Thursday, June 23, 2011 David Timms wrote: > On 23/06/11 22:53, Alexander Kurtakov wrote: > > maintainers of most of the stack are slightly moving it to maven 3 only. > > We > > Hey Alex, is that supposed to be slowly ? Not really. We do it as fast as we

Heads-up: Maven builds might be failing for some period

2011-06-23 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
Hi everyone, Fedora is transitioning to using Maven 3 by default. Up until now it was working because a lot of things were bringing maven2 into the build system. Maven2 was part of Fedora for more ~5 years - long enough time to get a lot of crap accumulated. We are slowly fixing issues as they

Re: systemd: bugreports for missing service-files

2011-06-20 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 08:17:24 AM Tuesday, June 21, 2011 Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 21.06.2011 01:44, schrieb Adam Williamson: > >> so where was the QA before the release which forbids fix the release? > > > > Well, a few things: > > > > There's no planned testing of mysql prior to release. QA does not have > > the

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
without our managers even know - because it's smth we do on our own. Speaking personally everyone can accuse me of not fullfilling some user's wishes (which I'm not oblided to do) but someone saying that I(we) look at Fedora as a toy is really hurting a lot of feelings. Alexander Kurtakov > > Thanks. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: WTF - Re: [Fed-Devel] Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
army of contributors just sitting and waiting for what to do. Until this happens people should remember that the one that do the works has freedom too and if they don't like smth they are free to come with better implementation and offer it. Alexander Kurtakov -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Firefox 4 for f14?

2011-03-24 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 10:33:31 AM Wednesday, March 23, 2011 Nathaniel McCallum wrote: > On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 16:41 -0500, Adam Miller wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:35:55PM +0100, Joshua C. wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > fedora is known for offering the "latest and greates software" and > > > "being on the edg

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Orphan removal

2011-02-23 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
of maven-pmd-plugin which I maintain. Alexander Kurtakov -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] orphaned packages in rawhide

2011-02-08 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 01:59:44 pm Tuesday, February 08, 2011 Mat Booth wrote: > On 8 February 2011 11:47, Mat Booth wrote: > > On 7 February 2011 20:59, Bill Nottingham wrote: > >> Each release, we undergo the effort to track down owners for orphaned > >> packages in the release, and block those orphaned packages w

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] orphaned packages in rawhide

2011-02-08 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 01:56:00 pm Tuesday, February 08, 2011 Mat Booth wrote: > On 7 February 2011 20:59, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Each release, we undergo the effort to track down owners for orphaned > > packages in the release, and block those orphaned packages where > > necessary. It's that time again for Fedor

Re: A GUI tool for Fedora Packagers

2010-12-16 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 09:38:08 pm Thursday, December 16, 2010 Mat Booth wrote: > On 16 December 2010 17:09, Ratnadeep Debnath wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Mat Booth wrote: > >> I have been using eclipse-fedorapackager for a while now and it works > >> quite well, thanks for the effort th

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 02:18:47 pm Thursday, December 09, 2010 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > On 12/09/2010 09:59 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: > > Just a wild idea - ABRT detects the dupes even locally so we can make > > ABRT to allow reporting the bug to bz only if it happened more then once > > (or some other threshold

Re: F14: after last updates, getting Eclipse out of memory errors

2010-11-22 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
t set this to something really big because people can use eclipse for things that even require less than the current settings. Alexander Kurtakov > > !ENTRY org.eclipse.ui 4 4 2010-11-20 15:47:18.005 > !MESSAGE An internal error has occurred. > !STACK 0 > java.lang.OutO

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2010-11-19 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 07:33:18 pm Friday, November 19, 2010 Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 06:16:14PM +0200, Ville Skyttä wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Tom "spot" Callaway > > > > wrote: > > > The Java Packaging Guidelines have been revised: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packa

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2010-11-17 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
stuff, that should > be dropped according to the updated guidelines. I think that it should be fine if you do the changes when you have other reasons too. Alexander Kurtakov -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: does fedora maven eclipse plugin work?

2010-11-17 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
ct files from pom.xml [1] > > > > There must be other package you are looking for, but I'll let someone > > else answer that part of you inquiry (since I have no idea :-) ). > > Ah, I was looking for http://m2eclipse.sonatype.org/ , guess this isn't > packaged

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:36:24PM +0200, Alexander Kurtakov wrote: > > > On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:23:00 +0200, Alexander wrote: > > > > How can you expect a maintainer to fix/respond to hundreds of bugs > > > > and not expect the user to verify his/her bug

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> > On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:23:00 +0200, Alexander wrote: > > > How can you expect a maintainer to fix/respond to hundreds of bugs and > > > not expect the user to verify his/her bug still applies? > > > > Have you noticed how many ticket EOL warnings some users receive all of > > a sudden? They may

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:23:00 +0200, Alexander wrote: > > How can you expect a maintainer to fix/respond to hundreds of bugs and > > not expect the user to verify his/her bug still applies? > > Have you noticed how many ticket EOL warnings some users receive all of > a sudden? They may be able to

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 04:17:59 +, Jóhann wrote: > > On 11/06/2010 02:11 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > On 11/05/2010 10:06 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > >> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 23:58:21 +, Jóhann wrote: > > >>> On behalf of all reporters that have never received a response from a > > >>>

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On 11/06/2010 01:53 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > On 11/05/2010 09:46 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > >> On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 17:56:51 +0100, Ralf wrote: > >>> ABRT > >>> It doesn't tell the user that core dumps without reproducer are > >>> worthless in most cases but blindly sends out reports > >>

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-05 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 11:58:21PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > On 11/04/2010 10:22 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > > > 2- ABRT should keep track of unresponsive users. If a user has an > > > outstanding "needinfo?" flag for the bugs sent through ABRT, he > > > shouldn't be able to send

Re: Marking zapped bugs

2010-11-05 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
s are overtaken by events. " > This is the best we can do no matter what we want to do! > > P.S. Believe me having open bugs that both the packager and the submitter DON'T care for (sorry for the typo) > care for are useless and these are the kind of bugs t

Re: Marking zapped bugs

2010-11-05 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
submitter care for are useless and these are the kind of bugs that get auto closed. If one of them cares he will change the version flag. Oh and looking at a list of hundreds bugs makes things close to impossible to put priorities, fix and improve the situation. Alexander Kurtakov -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-04 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> > On 11/3/10 2:14 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > And it's unreasonable to expect those ISVs to change when Fedora has > > > not managed to package a working JBoss. If the Red Hat Java packaging > > > can not even be used with the top Red Hat Java product, what is there > > > to say? (and on thi

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On 11/3/10 2:14 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > And it's unreasonable to expect those ISVs to change when Fedora has not > > managed to package a working JBoss. If the Red Hat Java packaging can > > not even be used with the top Red Hat Java product, what is there to > > say? (and on this subject,

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 22:28 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit : > > On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 21:32 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit : > > > > On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > > > Le mercredi 03 novembre 201

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Ville Skyttä wrote: > > On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: > > FYI the versionless jar/javadocs files are now in the draft (thanks for > > the suggestion, somehow none of us thought of that) > > Thanks for considering it. > > > But keep t

Re: Eclipse Fedora Packager: Call for Testers and Contributors

2010-10-21 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On 10/21/2010 08:10 AM, Severin Gehwolf wrote: > > Hi Fedora Packagers, > > > > > > I would like to bring a new Eclipse plug-in to your > > attention: Eclipse Fedora Packager[1] > > > > > > Feedback, testing, bug reports, contributions are very much > > appreciated. Our Trac instance is here

Re: Starting Java SIG

2010-09-02 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Alexander Kurtakov wrote: > > * AutoQA - QA guys are struggling with their effort to get their stuff > > running from Fedora packages (shame on us if we can't make our own stuff > > run from our packages) > > * Name it :) > > At my wo

Re: Starting Java SIG

2010-09-01 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> I don't currently maintain any Java packages within Fedora but I did > (somewhat) build the maven2 stack for EPEL[0] and I would be > interested in seeing a Java SIG happen as well as would definitely > join up. > Please everyone that is interested add yourself to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki

Re: Starting Java SIG

2010-08-30 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On 08/30/2010 07:33 AM, Alexander Kurtakov wrote: > > I'm pretty sure there are a number of other reasons for such SIG. > > Our relationship with jpackage really needs to improve. They do a lot > of packaging work, we've "borrowed" a lot of that work, an

Re: Starting Java SIG

2010-08-30 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On 30/08/10 15:38, Aditya Patawari wrote: > > > > It would be nice if we can help out newbies as well as other maintainers > > like me to package and maybe develop java apps. > > Similar, am only learning Java (1st Semester in College finished) > But would like to learn to package Java apps l

Re: Starting Java SIG

2010-08-30 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On 30/08/10 15:38, Aditya Patawari wrote: > > > > It would be nice if we can help out newbies as well as other maintainers > > like me to package and maybe develop java apps. > > Similar, am only learning Java (1st Semester in College finished) > But would like to learn to package Java apps l

Re: Starting Java SIG

2010-08-30 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
(needs work) * Tomcat - phase out tomcat5 , package tomcat 7 * AutoQA - QA guys are struggling with their effort to get their stuff running from Fedora packages (shame on us if we can't make our own stuff run from our packages) * Name it :) I'm pretty sure there are a number of o

Re: Make pkgdb grant co-maintainer status automatically? (was Re: Non-responsive maintainer fast track procedure for libsndfile)

2010-07-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
t; > > That way packages with AWOL maintainers could grow co-maintainers > > without going through the complicated AWOL-process. > > > > -- > > sven === jabber/xmpp: s...@lankes.net > > -- > > Sounds reasonable enough to me. > > Regards Big +1 from m

Re: Java Bindings for libnotify

2010-03-15 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On Monday 15 March 2010, Mat Booth wrote: > Hi all, > > I can't find the Java bindings for libnotify -- I thought they would > be in libgnome-java, but I guess not. > > So a couple of questions for the Gnome Desktop team: > > And are there plans to package java-gnome? Hi Mat, I'm not in the G

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
savy users only and change for this type of users means you have to take care of "This update broke my homework formatting" or "Where is that blue icon for usb devices now?" and etc. Alexander Kurtakov > > Ralf -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
even more aggressive maintainers who never put newer versions in older releases. Is this idea worth discussing at all? Alexander Kurtakov -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Impasse on packaging JOGL and Gluegen

2010-02-28 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> >Scilab?is,?in?fact,?in?advanced?packaging?stage,?waiting?for?JOGL. > > A lot of java packages need package from scratch or patch(this may be > difficult if you are not provenpackager, since some package maintainers > are non-responsive for a long while) for scliab5.2.1. > Please give us the f

Re: Purging the F13 orphans

2010-01-27 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
How can I take jna-posix? I need it for one of my projects but I don't see a way to take it in pkgdb. I'm speaking for the devel branch because it is possible to take F-12 branch. Regards, Alex > It's that time of the release cycle again, to purge the orphans before > we get to feature freeze.