Re: Bug 618349 : Can I get some input please?

2010-12-08 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:41 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 09:28:55PM -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: Bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=618349 The bug is blocking my ability, or at least my willingness to upgrade to F14. I would

Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?

2010-09-20 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote: Michel Alexandre Salim fed...@michelsylvain.info writes: Note: I don't think Mark was proposing to do the packaging work himself.  But it'd be great if whoever picks this up (Michał, are you a packager?) could reply to this

Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?

2010-09-20 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Michel Alexandre Salim fed...@michelsylvain.info wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:13:42 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: No, I'm not advocating PgSQL 9 for F14, however, it shouldn't be so far-fetched that Fedora could have any software at any time. A Fedora

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-20 Thread Arthur Pemberton
2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com: As the concept of using third party repositories (both as packagers and as users) grows, this interdependence will grow. Ok, so maybe it's time to setup Fedora backports repo for these that wants new

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-20 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Gerald Henriksen ghenr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:58:53 -0400, you wrote: 2010/9/20 Micha? Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: Ok, so maybe it's time to setup Fedora backports repo for these that wants new and shiny Firefox 4, PostgreSQL 9 or

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-20 Thread Arthur Pemberton
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Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-17 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:01 AM, FlorianFesti ffe...@redhat.com wrote:  On 09/16/2010 09:05 PM, Colin Walters wrote: (I don't have a strong opinion on whether the data format is RPM or repodata myself; maybe just a slight preference for the latter; the most important thing in my mind is to

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-14 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 6:28 PM, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:  Ubuntu recently got high praise from LWN for Software Center in 10.10 betas. It doesn't use PackageKit at all AFAICS (no PackageKit packages are installed in my VM). It integrates tightly with apt (you know, like

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-08 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 14:17 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: Sure, I understand where you're coming from. As you see from app-install schema version 1 it really was least common denominator. But version 2, which is in

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-07 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:39 AM, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 15:42 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: On 7 September 2010 15:23, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:  Are you having any discussions about applications like postfix, or is version 2 going

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-31 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 09:58 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 08/30/2010 10:50 PM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: The attention to freedom is not unique. The attention to upstream is invisible to users. But it is why I

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-31 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 01:26:27PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: Maybe I was too long winded, or failed to communicate my point: a stable (bug fix only updates, slow feature release), strongly FOSS, strongly upstream

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-31 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 15:56 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 01:26:27PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: Maybe I was too long winded, or failed to communicate my point: a stable (bug fix only

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something different than the fire hose we have now

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: The cynic in me would

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote: Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Sven Lankes s...@lank.es said: Also - and this is a question that I have asked myself and others a couple of times - if you could implement Fedora the way you want: What unique selling points are left for

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote: On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 23:56 -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Gerald Henriksen ghenr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:11:06 +0200, you wrote: A typical developer wants

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/30/10 8:56 PM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Gerald Henriksen ghenr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:11:06 +0200, you

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/30/10 1:33 PM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: Is this still unique? I believe it is, particularly with our attention to freedom and upstream relationships, and our

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/30/10 9:50 PM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash

Re: Search Engine Proposal

2010-08-29 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Manuel Escudero jmlev...@gmail.com wrote: AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN... http://start.fedoraproject.org/ is using a Google Search Box... YOU DON'T HAVE THE CODE TO PLAY WITH IT OR ANYTHING... With Fedora's engine I'm giving you the chance of having something more

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-27 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 6:04 AM, David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 18:09 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: What more do you want an MTA to do at install?  It was decided a long time ago that the MTA shouldn't listen for remote SMTP connections by default.  Pretty much

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-27 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Ben Boeckel maths...@gmail.com wrote: Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: sendmail has always worked out of the box for some things, including sending mail from local programs to remote email addresses I thought this was a speed trip to spamhaus' lists (the

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 19:59 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Jackson wrote: Static configuration should be something you can do from the dynamic configuration tool.  gnome-display-properties should have a set as default

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 01:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 08/27/2010 12:20 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: That wasn't the question. The question was what is the benefit of not having one. Is it simply that it saves

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 16:00 -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: I think that makes sense if we're talking about adding a default, but taking one out - especially something that's been default in all Unix-y OSes for ever

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 03:59:06PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 19:59 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: 1. Not everyone uses GNOME

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 05:25:18PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: We're going in circles. I already said that I think the best fix for this is to replace sendmail with an MTA which works 'out of the box'. For what

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 05:31:58PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: Useful information is being generated and then lost. That shouldn't happen. This is not a sudden realization, there are bugs open about this for multiple