EPEL Thunderbird and/or claws-mail in epel 7 beta

2014-03-06 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
Hi, Will the subject packages be included in epel 7? I don't see them listed on the web pages at http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/beta/7/SRPMS/repoview/ tia ___ epel-devel mailing list epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: snip Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins? JBG I don't know if it is still the case, but historically you could NOT specify a file system different

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 05/03/2013 12:30 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 05/03/2013 04:22 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: snip Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins? JBG I don't

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 03/13/2013 11:51 AM, Felix Miata wrote: On 2013-03-13 17:29 (GMT+0200) Sebastian Mäki composed: * remove the hood of the car, and keep it off in case something goes wrong, or to entice new drivers to look in there and guess what is going on. * keep the hood of the car on, and if something

Re: RFC: Fedora revamp proposal

2013-03-13 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 03/13/2013 12:02 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: snip 2) You can take the longer release time, get the new codebase in and done and then you are in much better shape moving forward. We choose 2. (Anaconda folks, feel free to drop in and correct me if I got anything wrong). I can't see much way to

Re: system freezes after loading gdm/gnome

2013-02-25 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 02/25/2013 09:26 AM, Jan Dvořák wrote: Hi, I am running rawhide for fun and since a few days ago a few seconds after starting gdm the whole system freezes. I am sorry that I can't really pinpoint the exact update as I suspend and this only manifested after a reboot. The problem is that I

Re: rawhide report: 20130223 changes

2013-02-23 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 02/23/2013 03:48 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: snip mygui - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=5047260 No idea what should be providing libCommon.so for it. snip maybe should be libcommon vice libCommon? -- Regards, OldFart -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Help figure out the debug slowness

2013-01-27 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/27/2013 06:12 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:44:43 -0600, Justin M. Forbes wrote: snip kernel-3.8.0-0.rc4.git5.1.fc19.x86_64 is significantly slower than the previous release for all graphical activities. For me the opposite is true. It is (subjectively) faster

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/23/2013 11:55 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Greetings. As some of you may know, I switched my laptop over to rawhide and have been posting a series of blogs about the various issues I have run into in the last month. To recap from those: - xfce4-session crash:

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/23/2013 12:25 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:08:21 -0500 Clyde E. Kunkel clydekunkel7...@verizon.net wrote: Would issues with specific 3.8 kernel drivers affecting rawhide be a candidate? Candidate for a tracker bug? Perhaps. It would depend on how widespread the issue

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

2013-01-16 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/16/2013 12:00 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: snip I haven't seen any recent activity in Fedora from him. Have you? Rahul Some patches on the btrfs list on Jan 7 and 8, 2013. -- Regards, OldFart -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

2012-12-07 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 12/08/2012 12:07 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: snip Why does there need to be a long-term support for Fedora? Why not just use Red Hat Enterprise Linux? I imagine it boils down to money since Fedora=free and RHEL=$$$. Corporate suits will will weigh cost of Fedora support vs RHEL

Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)

2012-11-21 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 11/21/2012 03:01 PM, David Lehman wrote: snip Yes. I've just completed testing of patches for this stuff. It was decided that it's too late to try to get them into the Beta. I can provide you with an updates image that adds the functionality if you are interested. David I, for one, would

Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)

2012-10-17 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/17/2012 11:55 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 16:05 +0200, Dario Lesca wrote: Il giorno mer, 17/10/2012 alle 08.37 -0500, David Lehman ha scritto: to keep you on your toes, of course you forgot ;-) ... because if you're talking seriously this is a wild unacceptable

Re: Non-responsive maintainer ?

2011-12-06 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 12/06/2011 05:26 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 11:08:32PM +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: snip It might be interesting to run this script across every single user in the Fedora accounts system, and proactively identify any users whom have not done anything in Fedora

Re: Fesco membership policies

2011-11-14 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 11/14/2011 11:19 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Matthew Garrettmj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: Something that was brought up at the last fesco meeting is that fesco membership is currently restricted to members of the packaging group. That's arguably overly

Re: systemd - standard place to run stuff after the network is up?

2011-10-17 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/17/2011 10:20 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I want to try to modprobe netconsole during boot, but it needs to happen after the network is up. Is there any standard place (rc.local and modules-load seem to happen too early) to do this? I filed

Re: systemd - standard place to run stuff after the network is up?

2011-10-17 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/17/2011 01:10 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: On 10/17/2011 10:20 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I want to try to modprobe netconsole during boot, but it needs to happen after the network is up. Is there any standard place (rc.local and modules-load seem to happen too early) to do this? I filed

Re: [Test-Announce] Proventesters meetup 2011-10-12 at 18UTC

2011-10-12 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/11/2011 04:05 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: We are going to be having another proventesters meetup tomorrow on IRC in #fedora-meeting at 18:00UTC. Purpose of meetup: Brainstorm ideas on improving testing and processes for testing updates. * Intro/gather more agenda items * Recruiting more

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-08 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/08/2011 05:43 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: Since Mozilla switched to the new rapid release model, Firefox in Fedora is no longer fun: Every 6 weeks a new major version hits our stable release and breaks Firefox horribly: * My favorite extensions (and actually the only thing that

Re: BTRFS on LVM causes long fedora-storage-init run?

2011-10-07 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/07/2011 11:31 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: I posted this on the main mailing list but didn't get any hits. Hopefully I'll have better luck here. --- I found the following thread but I don't think mine is the same problem: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-June/100861.html

Re: BTRFS on LVM causes long fedora-storage-init run?

2011-10-07 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/07/2011 12:57 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Tomasz Torcz wrote: Do you have caches enabled and fully built? Remounting with -o space_cache,inode_cache will enable them. Then wait few minutes for caches to be built (I/O will stop when they're ready). Subsequent mounts should be

Re: openssh: no pre-release sanity check? [Re: ssh-to-rawhide hangs

2011-09-12 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 09/12/2011 07:39 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: Didn't say like, said similar. Don't you test your changes somehow? Or do you just toss the mods over the wall and hope for the best? I don't think so. Share your test cases for those packages that should just work

Re: Development to release quality

2011-09-12 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 09/12/2011 06:01 AM, Matej Cepl wrote: Too much QA (or any external QA) imposed on the development make it slower. Compare Linux v. OpenSolaris kernel development. Fedora tries to be very fast developing distro, thus less QA in the development version. Ah yes, the ol' QA conundrum.

Re: Development to release quality

2011-09-12 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 09/12/2011 10:17 AM, Jakub Jelinek wrote: Sure, we need QA, but for rawhide the development shouldn't be totally stalled as it is already in F16 right now, where updates for critpath packages, even when they have several hundred thousands of tests performed already during package building,

Re: What do rawhide testers want and expect?

2011-09-12 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 09/12/2011 11:57 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: In reading the long trash each other fest that accompanies pre-release jitters, could we start on a cleaner plate? What do the people who are using rawhide day-in/day-out expect out of the channel? What level of pain does someone like

Re: openssh: no pre-release sanity check? [Re: ssh-to-rawhide hangs

2011-09-11 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 09/11/2011 04:33 AM, Jim Meyering wrote: darrell pfeifer wrote: Fails for me too, with the same error. Thanks for confirming that. I don't mean to be rude or inflammatory, but do have to wonder how such a fundamentally-broken package was released -- even to rawhide. In the fedora

Re: openssh: no pre-release sanity check? [Re: ssh-to-rawhide hangs

2011-09-11 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 09/11/2011 06:19 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: Maybe there needs to be a classification for rawhide similar to the karma system for updates-testing, but limited to just a set of packages that should just always work (maybe openssh would be one). For such packages

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-18 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 08/18/2011 06:29 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 18.08.11 12:33, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: Oh, I just noticed this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd#Socket_activation Since Fedora

Re: rawhide openssh-server update kills sshd

2011-07-26 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 07/26/2011 12:22 PM, Jim Meyering wrote: snip service ssh restart Would that be: service sshd restart ? -- Regards, OldFart -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Trusted Boot in Fedora

2011-06-24 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 06/24/2011 04:07 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/24/2011 12:55 PM, JB wrote: JBjb.1234abcdat gmail.com writes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_computing TC is controversial because it is technically possible not just to secure the hardware for its owner, but also to secure against

Re: Trusted Boot in Fedora

2011-06-24 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 06/24/2011 11:04 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/24/2011 09:55 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote Rahul, Seems he is using references to support contentions...like a scholarly journal article. With respect, just as you are free to criticize on these mailing lists, he is free to speak on them

Re: Koji: filter by dist-release

2011-06-21 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 06/21/2011 01:56 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/builds is there any way to get this filtered only for F15 or whatever is used? Maybe try: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ then select Fedora 15. You may need a FAS account, not sure. -- Regards,

Re: Gnome borked?

2011-06-20 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 06/20/2011 06:46 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: Hi, After doing a rather large update to my rawhide box, it seems that it no longer wants to play fair with Gnome giving a very unfriendly Something has gone wrong which I can't recover from. You should logout and try again message. Other than some

Re: Are 3.0 kernels working for anyone?

2011-06-10 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 06/10/2011 02:19 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: The 3.0 kernels are not working for me. (A cpu lockup is reporting during boot.) I am wondering if things are broken for everyone where I should probably just wait for updates and try again, or if I should get a picture of the traceback and file a

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 06/10/2011 04:44 PM, mike cloaked wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Rahul Sundarammethe...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/11/2011 12:36 AM, mike cloaked wrote: Would be nice to see the systemd author join this discussion? I am sure you can get answers when someone is off vacation. However

Re: rawhide report: 20110520 changes

2011-05-20 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 05/20/2011 05:35 AM, Rawhide Report wrote: kernel-2.6.39-0.fc16 * Thu May 19 2011 Dave Jonesda...@redhat.com - Update to 2.6.39 final. * Sat May 14 2011 Kyle McMartinkmcmar...@redhat.com - Update to v2 of Mel Gorman's SLUB patchset Above didn't update installed

Re: Special thanks to gnome3 and systemd developers

2011-05-18 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 05/18/2011 10:20 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: While everyone that worked on the F15 release deserves thanks and congrats, I'd like to give a special thanks to the systemd and gnome3 developers because of the large amount of work needed to implement those features. By working hard to get these

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 15 Final Release Candidate 1 (RC1) Available Now!

2011-05-11 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 05/11/2011 03:27 PM, Andre Robatino wrote: As per the Fedora 15 schedule [1], Fedora 15 Final Release Candidate 1 (RC1) is now available for testing. Please see the following pages for download links and testing instructions. Installation:

Status of btrfs in rawhide

2011-05-10 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
Hi, Is rawhide following current btrfs development releases with kernel patches and userland programs? Or, should we role our own? I am interested in testing only. TIA -- Regards, OldFart -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora 15 / Gnome 3 gotchas

2011-05-07 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 05/07/2011 12:50 PM, Mario Blättermann wrote: Am 07.05.2011 16:51, schrieb Richard W.M. Jones: On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 03:58:51PM +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: On Sat, 2011-04-16 at 11:05 +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote: snip GNOME 3. We need a new GNOME as close as possible to the old one, to

Re: Fedora 15 / Gnome 3 gotchas

2011-05-07 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 05/07/2011 01:23 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Sat, 07 May 2011 13:15:11 -0400, CEK wrote: snip It's entertaining already to see how people [try to] leave Ubuntu because of Unity, and to hear that they like Fedora 15's GNOME 3 better. ;) (sorry, going way off topic, but then it seems

Re: xorg-x11 gone squiffy in rawhide?

2011-04-21 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 04/21/2011 11:40 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: Hi, Just done quite a big update to my rawhide box, performed a reboot and have been left without an x server. I thought it was the xserver, so downgraded to 1.10.99.1-2.20110418.fc16, but still the same problem. I'm getting a segfault at adress

Re: What's this /run directory doing on my system and where does it come from?

2011-03-30 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 03/30/2011 07:54 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: Heya, I just uploaded a new version of systemd into F15, which establishes a directory /run in the root directory. Most likely you'll sooner or later stumble over it, so here's an explanation what this is and why this is. It's a fairly minor

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 02/27/2011 09:55 AM, Mike Chambers wrote: snip I used to be able to hover my mouse over the time and at least it would tell me the date instead of having to click on it just to see it. try: $ gsettings set org.gnome.shell.clock show-date true -- Regards, OldFart -- devel mailing list

Re: rawhide report: 20110129 changes

2011-01-29 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/29/2011 09:21 AM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: New package: ghc-process-leksah-1.0.1.4-2.fc15 Haskell process-leksah library Is it not possible to try a little harder to write a useful package summary? Or for the package reviewer to take just a quick look and notice that a

Re: rawhide report: 20110129 changes

2011-01-29 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/29/2011 10:58 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: On 01/29/2011 09:21 AM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: New package: ghc-process-leksah-1.0.1.4-2.fc15 Haskell process-leksah library Is it not possible to try a little harder

Re: Debugging 20s pause in boot time in rawhide

2011-01-16 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/16/2011 02:32 AM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: There's a twenty second pause in my boot sequence, shown below, before GDM starts and I'm not certain if it's in NetworkManager waiting on org.bluez, bluez itself or the bluez systemd unit file. (Or maybe I'm completely off.) Later on, the

Re: boot hang at the loopback interface in rawhide?

2011-01-14 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/13/2011 10:59 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: For some reason, boot is hanging with today's rawhide update -- I get stuck at Bringing up loopback interface. Oddly, if I boot into runlevel 1, lo is there just fine. (But if I telinit 5 from there, it immediately tries to bring it up again and

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 12/09/2010 08:59 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: snip - debuginfo-install is just a fallback if ABRT fails to retrieve the debuginfo itself (and ABRT doesn't need the root privs, as is *does not* install the packages, it just unpacks them) snip Jirka Currently, abrt says the debuginfo packages

Re: old_testing_critpath notifications

2010-12-02 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 12/02/2010 02:25 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 14:10 -0500, Doug Ledford wrote: My package in question (mdadm) is only used in certain circumstances, but if it isn't right, systems fail to boot. I can certainly see why something that can render a machine unbootable

Re: NFS in rawhide

2010-11-17 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 11/17/2010 02:26 PM, Jon Masters wrote: On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 14:14 -0500, Ric Wheeler wrote: snip Yes, thanks Ric, your reply to me was most helpful. Jon. What was the reply? TIA Regards, OldFart -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-13 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 11/12/2010 11:14 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Clyde E. Kunkelclydekunkel7...@cox.net writes: snip The major packages that I work with have regression test suites, which in fact get run as part of the RPM build sequence. It's not apparent to me that I should need to invent some more tests. I

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 11/12/2010 02:32 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Till Maasopensou...@till.name writes: snip It's absolutely crystal clear to me that we don't have enough tester manpower to make the current policy workable; it's past time to stop denying that. I'd suggest narrowing the policy to a small number of

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-10-31 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/31/2010 03:18 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 04:37:38 +0100, Kevin wrote: Martin Stransky wrote: there's a new Firefox update waiting in Bodhi and we can't push it to stable because of new rules. We recommend you to update to it ASAP as it fixes a public critical 0day

Re: e4defrag support?

2010-10-06 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/05/2010 11:01 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: snip cool! I suppose I could turn it on in rawhide, or you could just build your own e2fsprogs to get it ... -Eric Cool if you turn it on in rawhide. Helps those of us who are build challenged :-). I can test in raid and LV environments.

Re: e4defrag support?

2010-10-06 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/06/2010 02:01 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: snip OK gang, it's in e2fsprogs-1.41.12-6.fc15 you have to invoke it with -test options to make it go ;) Word of warning, it's not had a lot of attention, and the whole design could change in the future, but it's something to play with :) -Eric

Re: FYI: rawhide now requires systemd to boot by default

2010-09-18 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 09/17/2010 02:18 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: While upstart is still in the repo, the initscripts package now pulls in systemd and systemd-sysvinit. Bill from todays 201009218 rawhide update (bz'd on the yum site as #593): sudo yum --enablerepo=mash --skip-broken update . Updating for

Re: What does the DVD media check if installing a new Fedora version? / Proposal

2010-08-13 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 08/13/2010 04:32 AM, Joachim Backes wrote: Hi, having the following question: What does the DVD/CD media check exactly if booting a Fedora DVD/CD? Is it the sha256sum? If yes, why this media check, because it could be done after having burned the DVD? If not, is it possible to perform

Re: F14 TC2 x86_64b

2010-08-03 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 08/03/2010 07:25 PM, John Reiser wrote: Ok, so this compose seems to have anaconda-14.14. When trying to do an nfs install, once I put in the server/directory information, it shows it connecting and trying to pull up the gui. But after that, my monitor just stays black and nothing ever

Re: Disabling drm/ttm/radeon module loading for debugging

2010-01-23 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/23/2010 09:08 AM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: Hello, How can I make sure drm/radeon/ttm modules are not loaded, until I do it manually myself? I extracted the initrd image, edited the 'init' script and commented out loading of the modules, repacked the initrd, and booted but something