Re: Chromium

2012-03-18 Thread Genes MailLists
On 03/18/2012 02:39 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: Are you by chance using a proxy? If so there is a bug in google-chrome/chromium which happened when KDE proxy changed output to have white space separated port number - if so make just edit the file ~/.kde4/share/config/kioslaverc and make it

Re: Issues with yum

2012-02-27 Thread Genes MailLists
On 02/27/2012 11:44 AM, Sandro Mani wrote: will leave your system in a state where manual cleanup is likely required. One scenario which I often hit is forgetting to change the proxy settings in yum.conf and then trying to update. Yum will clearly fail to download repodata, but it will keep

Re: service iptables save, systemctl, and unhelpful error messages

2012-02-15 Thread Genes MailLists
On 02/15/2012 09:45 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Experienced admins dont use service iptables blah anyway ( they use iptables commands directly ) so it hardly matters to them documentation should however be updated for those that actually use service iptables blah to point this out so you

Re: Apple will use LLVM

2012-02-15 Thread Genes MailLists
On 02/15/2012 10:38 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: We're already building at least one package (hfsplus-tools) with llvm because it relies on non-standard C extensions that gcc doesn't support, and I believe the current software rasteriser in mesa depends on it. In terms of it being the

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-13 Thread Genes MailLists
On 02/13/2012 03:47 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Fedora DE vs KDE spin download ratio compared to past release ratios would be more suggestive of a trend, if it exists. Not necessarily - I always used the standard DVD to install and use KDE and frankly never used the KDE spin - not once. gene

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-12 Thread Genes MailLists
On 02/12/2012 06:19 AM, mike cloaked wrote: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2011-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-awards-95/desktop-environment-of-the-year-919888/ Shows an interesting result in terms of DE popularity - though given the many discussions not only on Fedora lists but

Re: /usrmove?

2012-02-10 Thread Genes MailLists
On 02/10/2012 07:07 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: That is the definition of a product. Fedora has never been a product. Fedora is a community driven distribution and as such has no central or overriding authority to tell people that volunteer their time to go do some specific thing they don't feel

Re: /usrmove?

2012-02-08 Thread Genes MailLists
On 02/08/2012 12:37 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Note that this has not actually been implemented in anaconda yet, so if you do an anaconda upgrade at this time, it will explode horribly. The bug requesting this support be added to anaconda is

Re: Unity For Fedora (As in OpenSUSE or Arch)

2012-02-02 Thread Genes MailLists
Let it go kevin ... I know there are a bunch of gnome happy users (and of course the devs), but there are probably less now than earlier ... A limited sample but everyone I know - all of whom were gnome users - no longer use gnome - they have all switched to either kde or xfce (each with its own

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-02-01 Thread Genes MailLists
On 02/01/2012 09:41 AM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Emanuel Rietveld codehot...@gmail.com said: On 02/01/2012 01:32 PM, Panu Matilainen wrote: To-be-installed files obviously have no on-disk fingerprints, so it wont work for initial installation. So yes, those fake compatibility

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread Genes MailLists
What would be the pros/cons of a bind mount instead of a soft link for /bin et al? gene -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-30 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/30/2012 05:17 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: The argument against rolling upgrades is that it's a wonderful idea early on, but then you run into a morass as time goes on, because of: - difficulty of handling wanted vs. unwanted updates, which in turn creates combinatorially growing

Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-28 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/28/2012 12:23 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:15:11 -0600 Andrew Wyatt and...@fuduntu.org wrote: ...snip... ... I think the way forward is the one I outlined in: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-January/161632.html Until those interested can

Re: UsrMove feature breaking yum upgrade upgrades from older releases to F17?

2012-01-27 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/27/2012 12:09 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: why in the world is a currently useless feature much more forced than the change of the init-system? perhaps this change is wanted/needed by the new init system for some reason that may not be apparent at the moment ... resource usage

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-25 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/25/2012 03:48 AM, drago01 wrote: Exactly releases have the advantage of being a well tested set of updates where you have a window to decide whether you want to update yet or not. So I don't see what a rolling release gains really. If you always want to run the latest and greatest

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-25 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/25/2012 10:01 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Bryan Quigley gqu...@gmail.com wrote: It's pretty simple, really. Basically, if we don't keep the kernel on at least a somewhat recent release the amount of work required to support that release grows beyond what we

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/24/2012 07:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:23:14AM +, mike cloaked wrote: Fedora would appear to be out of line in not taking on board the potential user base for a rolling release version. For servers there would be huge advantages in management of

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/24/2012 07:13 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: How is rawhide not a rolling release? Or perhaps better asked, what about rawhide makes it unsuitable for use as a rolling Fedora release? Actually it is totally unsuitable for a stable rolling release. A rolling release, as most mean it these

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/24/2012 09:08 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote: On 01/24/2012 02:13 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: Fedora suffers an additional problem it seems - not only are there large changes as part of many releases, but lately some of them immediately stop being supported until the 'next big release

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/24/2012 02:59 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: But a fully rolling release just cannot work (and this is also why all those just use Rawhide if you want the latest, usable Rawhide etc. suggestions are fundamentally flawed). Yes, there are distros doing this, but they all have one thing in

Re: service and user-agent disclosure - please consider privacy

2012-01-11 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/11/2012 09:21 AM, Emanuel Rietveld wrote: On 01/11/2012 12:43 PM, Richard wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:53:52PM +0100, nodata wrote: Fonts are a bigger threat to privacy, see here: http://panopticlick.eff.org/ Maybe I am missing something, but isn't this only relevant if your

Re: service and user-agent disclosure - please consider privacy

2012-01-11 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/11/2012 10:11 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:03:39AM -0500, Genes MailLists wrote: Odd as it is, IP6 reduces privacy - it was not designed with privacy in mind. http://ipv6int.net/systems/linux-ipv6.html#privacy Good point thank you - indeed that helps

Re: Kernel 3.1 being phased out, time for 3.2 in F-16?

2012-01-09 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/09/2012 07:24 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: a concern over the debug opt Alternatively - just build it without debugging - download the source rpm(s). After installing/setting up the rpm tools, unpack (rpm -iv) the source rpm in ~/rpmbuild/SRPMS dir - then go to ~/rpmbuild/SPEC and do:

Re: Kernel 3.1 being phased out, time for 3.2 in F-16?

2012-01-09 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/09/2012 09:38 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 01/09/2012 07:24 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: a concern over the debug opt Alternatively - just build it without debugging - download the source rpm(s). ... Of course (should go without saying ... but) the obvious downside to the speed benefit

Re: Bad coding practices in Fedora packages

2012-01-03 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/03/2012 09:16 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: # cat /proc/meminfo /tmp/1; killall tracker-store; sleep 1; cat /proc/meminfo /tmp/2; cat /tmp/1 /tmp/2 | grep MemFree MemFree: 1940372 kB MemFree: 1963860 kB As you see, killing it on my machine freed over 23 megs worth of

Re: Systemd and fstab

2011-12-14 Thread Genes MailLists
On 12/14/2011 07:25 AM, Andrew Price wrote: Hi, From the systemd.mount(5) man page: Mount units may either be configured via unit files, or via /etc/fstab This makes me wonder - to what extent will systemd replace fstab in future Fedoras? Will fstab disappear in favour of systemd mount

Re: Changing kernel API / Breaking VirtualBox - update criteria violation?

2011-11-22 Thread Genes MailLists
On 11/22/2011 12:13 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 06:00:43PM +0100, 80 wrote: The failure is due to Fedora *non-upstream* versionning scheme, VirtualBox has *already* fixes the API/ABI issue upstream relying on the kernel version (since 3.2 RC). It has nothing to do

Re: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 16.

2011-11-16 Thread Genes MailLists
On 11/16/2011 06:21 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: On 11/16/11 11:31, Mathieu Bridon wrote: On Wed, 2011-11-16 at 10:33 +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: On 11/15/11 19:03, Genes MailLists wrote: Its easy enough to build an iso using mock/pungi which will take advantage of all your local packages

Re: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 16.

2011-11-15 Thread Genes MailLists
Its easy enough to build an iso using mock/pungi which will take advantage of all your local packages ... I really don't know that jigdo added anything to that - in fact using pungi you always get a fully updated build without waiting for a jigdo list. gene -- devel mailing list

Re: PackageKit vice shell

2011-10-17 Thread Genes MailLists
Also, FYI, you you can disable it (as alternative to deleting): unset -f command_not_found_handle in your .bashrc ... -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: PA 1.0 for FC16?

2011-10-08 Thread Genes MailLists
On 10/08/2011 04:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: if there would be much more care by introducing new features/replacements my understanding for the fear of update thmen after that would be much higher as long fedora is shooting out new features without any care if they are really ready fdora

Re: what if native systemd service is slower than old sysvinit script?

2011-09-16 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/16/2011 05:01 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 05:17:43PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: True. As far as GNOME goes, though, whenever you suggest 'bulletproof session management', they say 'that's what suspend is for'... I'd like to see proper session management. However,

Re: what if native systemd service is slower than old sysvinit script?

2011-09-16 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/16/2011 05:05 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-15 at 14:32 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: -- (i) Server. -- These run all the time - reboots are most often in maintenance window (or evenings / weekends for home servers) primarily

Re: what if native systemd service is slower than old sysvinit script?

2011-09-15 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/15/2011 02:14 PM, Bernd Stramm wrote: On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:27:29 +0100 Many computers are booted very rarely, once a day or so, and then sit idle for very long periods of time. This is very wasteful. The reason people do this is because booting takes a long time compared to

Re: [systemd-devel] question

2011-09-14 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/14/2011 01:42 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: Honestly, if systemd updates has 5% of users failing on an update to the software - we should dump the thing immediately and go back to upstart. That is insanely high bug rate for core code which is (or should be) pretty simple. Rahul was

Re: [systemd-devel] question

2011-09-13 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/13/2011 05:58 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 09/14/2011 02:59 AM, Sérgio Basto wrote: So Fedora guys what you are waiting for ? update systemd please , should I open a report in bugzilla ? I can explain each of your examples but since systemd upstream developer is also the Fedora

Re: [systemd-devel] question

2011-09-13 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/13/2011 08:34 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com mailto:li...@sapience.com wrote: The kernel has undergone more updates than systemd ... all for very good reasons - making it better and solving problems. Sure the same

Re: [systemd-devel] question

2011-09-13 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/13/2011 09:48 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 09/14/2011 06:47 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: Good points - up to a point - but lets go slow and think for a few minutes - unlike the kernel which is very hardware dependent and therefore may run on many machines but not all, systemd

Re: Notice of intent: patching glibc

2011-09-07 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/07/2011 09:57 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: %changelog isn't for developers. It's for users to see what the developers changed in the package. Would a git-shortlog suffice for %changelog ? Assuming appropriate comments are required for fedora's git repo. -- devel mailing list

Re: Notice of intent: patching glibc

2011-09-07 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/07/2011 12:42 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: Unless of course you meant have fedpkg automatically stick a git-shortlog into the %changelog section of the spec file on commit or something. Then.. maybe. Yah I meant this one .. :-) And yes, this assumes in all cases that developers are

Re: rpm changelog (was Re: Notice of intent: patching glibc)

2011-09-07 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/07/2011 01:50 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Rich Megginson on 09/07/2011 12:44 PM wrote: git log --oneline TAG-OF-PREVIOUS-RELEASE.. | cat the | cat (or | more) is needed because git log will truncate lines This is not what I meant. Upstream may have had 20-30 commits inbetween

Re: gimp

2011-08-25 Thread Genes MailLists
On 08/25/2011 10:28 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote: As well, installing both stable versions side-by-side isn't an option as you can't install them into the same prefix: the libraries have the same SONAME, the new ones are expected to be ABI compatible. Therefore I don't see a real alternative to

Re: gimp

2011-08-25 Thread Genes MailLists
On 08/25/2011 12:00 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: On 08/25/2011 10:28 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote: As well, installing both stable versions side-by-side isn't an option as you can't install them into the same prefix

Re: gimp

2011-08-25 Thread Genes MailLists
On 08/25/2011 01:18 PM, Nils Philippsen wrote: Side-by-side means into the same prefix. You can only have one gimp version installed into the /usr prefix, you're free to install a different one into /opt/gimp-x.y or somewhere into your home if you're an ordinary user. Nils Ah thats

Re: gimp

2011-08-24 Thread Genes MailLists
It could be built to be installed in parallel with 2.6 - which would allow those who want to test/play with it. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

gimp

2011-08-23 Thread Genes MailLists
Are there any plans to bring gimp 2.7.x - 2.8 into F16 ? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-22 Thread Genes MailLists
On 08/22/2011 07:07 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sun, 2011-08-21 at 17:09 -0400, Steve Clark wrote: -Steve Obviously a lot on this list value boot up speed over security! You're making a false assumption, which is that socket activation is only about speed. It's also about resource

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-21 Thread Genes MailLists
On 08/21/2011 05:09 PM, Steve Clark wrote: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html Read the part about Parallelizing Socket Services. It explains why socket actviation is interesting, I find a secure OS interesting. Bootup speed does not matter much to me. -Steve Obviously a lot on

Re: Need Little IT advice Here...

2011-08-11 Thread Genes MailLists
On 08/11/2011 11:58 PM, Manuel Escudero wrote: Hi, I was Wondering if there was a tool for Linux in general that let me undo the system changes at reboot or something like that, For example: I want to set a standard configuration in a machine and then let that machine to be used by many

Re: Btrfs status for F16

2011-08-08 Thread Genes MailLists
On 08/08/2011 08:55 AM, Josef Bacik wrote: On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: On 8.8.2011 14:44, Josef Bacik wrote: I appreciate those who will continue to use it and report bugs, we are working very hard on trying to get everything more stable and it is a slow

Re: Power and brightness issue

2011-08-02 Thread Genes MailLists
On 08/02/2011 02:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sun, 2011-07-31 at 15:37 -0300, Sergio Belkin wrote: I've read http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/Common#Laptop_screen_dims_when_switching_to_battery_power_or_idle_mode_but_never_brightens_again My system suffers the same symptoms but I use

Re: Fwd: Rapid DHCP

2011-07-31 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/31/2011 12:35 AM, Chuck Anderson wrote: On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 11:30:30PM -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: On 07/30/2011 06:49 PM, Dan Williams wrote: ... So we could presumptuously configure the interface with the previous address from the lease and then only tear it down if the DHCP

Re: Fwd: Rapid DHCP

2011-07-30 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/30/2011 04:48 AM, Ryan Rix wrote: ... Reading the hackernews comments on it makes me wonder if this is a very good idea. It may work for people in certain usecases, but in the case of Fedora probably not so much http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2756952

Re: Fwd: Rapid DHCP

2011-07-30 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/30/2011 10:37 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Sat, 30.07.11 10:31, Genes MailLists (li...@sapience.com) wrote: http://cafbit.com/entry/rapid_dhcp_or_how_do IIRC connman (i.e. NM's competition) can do the ARP magic, too. Lennart Seems like a pretty reasonable thing to do

Re: koji: kernel-2.6.40-3.fc15

2011-07-30 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/30/2011 12:52 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 30.07.2011 04:29, schrieb Genes MailLists: wasn't there some kind of issue in vm's ? Maybe I'm not remembering correctly no - performance sucks if the VM is stored on a BTRFS formatted disk this is a completly other problem and it must

Re: Fwd: Rapid DHCP

2011-07-30 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/30/2011 06:49 PM, Dan Williams wrote: NM already keeps DHCP information around based on the network you're connecting to, so we don't need to ARP a bunch of servers just to determine whether the DHCP server we wanted is still there. dhclient is Cool - so is NM already pretty

Re: koji: kernel-2.6.40-3.fc15

2011-07-29 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/29/2011 10:16 PM, Dave Jones wrote: On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 01:16:43AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: i have running 2.6.40-4.fc15.x86_64 #1 SMP in my testing-virtual-machine since some minutes, boot looked fine, after a minute a got a btrfs-stack-trace hope this helps (no i

Re: koji: kernel-2.6.40-3.fc15

2011-07-29 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/29/2011 10:41 PM, Dave Jones wrote: On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:29:58PM -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: wasn't there some kind of issue in vm's ? Maybe I'm not remembering correctly. too vague to comment. there are always 'issues in vm's :) Ha ha .. actually I have a feeling

Re: Adding ~/.local/bin to default PATH

2011-07-28 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/28/2011 06:17 AM, David Sommerseth wrote: However, I find ~/.local an odd name. To whom or what is it 'local'? If you have home directories mounted via NFS and log into two different remote hosts via SSH - the only base is local to, is the user. But if you start a program which is

Re: Adding ~/.local/bin to default PATH

2011-07-28 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/28/2011 07:53 AM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: On 07/28/2011 12:46 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: This is a good point. Especially when you start on a 64 bit box and login to a 32 bit (or other arch) - bin now makes now sense at all. You need arch specific bins (bin, bin64 etc). Currently

Re: Adding ~/.local/bin to default PATH

2011-07-28 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/28/2011 08:41 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 07/28/2011 07:53 AM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: On 07/28/2011 12:46 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: This is a good point. Especially when you start on a 64 bit box and login to a 32 bit (or other arch) - bin now makes now sense at all. You need arch

Re: Adding ~/.local/bin to default PATH

2011-07-28 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/28/2011 09:09 AM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: On 07/28/2011 01:41 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 07/28/2011 07:53 AM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: On 07/28/2011 12:46 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: This is a good point. Especially when you start on a 64 bit box and login to a 32 bit (or other arch

Re: Adding ~/.local/bin to default PATH

2011-07-28 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/28/2011 12:36 PM, David Sommerseth wrote: I don't follow your thought here - if you have a bin64/ and a bin/ etc and you have your shell initscripts decide (e.g. using uname -m) which of those to include in your PATH I think it does work ... provided you have (obviously) both (all)

Re: Adding ~/.local/bin to default PATH

2011-07-27 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/27/2011 12:19 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 27.07.11 17:40, Roman Rakus (rra...@redhat.com) wrote: Hi all, from the discussion here, I'm tempted to revert the change. Any objections? Yes. I am for keeping it in, and have prepped a patch for XDG basedir to make it official.

Re: Adding ~/.local/bin to default PATH

2011-07-27 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/27/2011 05:00 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: On 7/27/11 1:09 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Depends on the PATH-Order if something is intended to be first in PATH and any attacker is able to write there his ls would win against /bin/ls So, the attacker can write a compromised ls into

Re: thanks for F15 mdadm systemd unit

2011-07-27 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/27/2011 01:23 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: What specifically does systemd do that autofs does not do without it? I don't know if there is anything, but it's neat to get something like this 'free' with systemd, without having to add any other package. Be a little wary. This is not

Re: User-level instance of /bin in PATH

2011-07-26 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/26/2011 08:03 AM, Misha Shnurapet wrote: 26.07.2011, 18:34, Andrew Haley a...@redhat.com: On 26/07/11 10:22, Misha Shnurapet wrote: Since F15 ~/bin has been added to PATH, and commands that are supposed to run user scripts will work without changing into that directory. Meanwhile,

Re: User-level instance of /bin in PATH

2011-07-26 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/26/2011 09:15 AM, Robert Marcano wrote: In /etc/skel/.bash_profile they are added to the end and I think that is ok PATH=$PATH:$HOME/.local/bin:$HOME/bin Never knew about ~/.local/bin my .bash_profile is really old from the time where the default was only ~/bin Mmm ok ... Can I

Re: User-level instance of /bin in PATH

2011-07-26 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/26/2011 09:34 AM, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: * Genes MailLists [26/07/2011 15:32] : Mmm ok ... Can I assume root is excepted from this? You can. That is the case. Emmanuel :-) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Adding ~/.local/bin to default PATH

2011-07-26 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/26/2011 03:34 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: I don't think it makes a lot of sense to have a visible directory for binaries. People will see that, and be annoyed. Perhaps, but hiding things annoys many people more ... not a huge deal as .config is not too hidden anyway ... Note

Re: F15: ugly behavior of df

2011-07-21 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/21/2011 07:09 AM, Steve Clark wrote: Well what benefit(s) does the new 'df' provide, is it worth all the pain it brings? I concur - the current df behavior is well .. goofy :-) - however this may be tricky to fix in the new world - but should be fixed. If this behavior is somehow

Re: BTRFS: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

2011-07-14 Thread Genes MailLists
I think RAID-5 support would be reasonably important to have too ... I dont think we want to have raid on top of btrfs ... right? Ric - what is the current status of RAID-5 ? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: BTRFS: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

2011-07-14 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/14/2011 10:17 AM, Ric Wheeler wrote: On 07/14/2011 02:54 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Genes MailListsli...@sapience.com wrote: I think RAID-5 support would be reasonably important to have too ... I dont think we want to have raid on top of btrfs ... right?

Re: BTRFS: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

2011-07-14 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/14/2011 10:59 AM, Josef Bacik wrote: Another (Q) - once the format changes, will there be tools to change the online format of existing filesystems - or will we need to delete and start fresh ? All format changes happen automatically (usually with a mount option so as not to

Re: BTRFS: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

2011-07-14 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/14/2011 11:12 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: Something tells me if btrfs had been called ext5 people would just nod their heads and move on. ;) Heh ... like this ... Its not too late is it :-) How about ext5-btrfs - and high level user space tools can shorten it to ext5 :-) -- devel

Re: systemd: Is it wrong?

2011-07-10 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/10/2011 07:08 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: ell variables has always had a default value of the empty string.) It achieves afaict the behavior the maintainer wanted if it was up to me I would have done this ( whole nfs ) completly differently Dropped

Re: systemd: Is it wrong?

2011-07-10 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/10/2011 07:31 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Let's just aggree on disagreeing about this approach anyway the last unit file I submitted does what Steve and you and perhaps many others want's it to do afaik... To be clear - I have as yet no views on systemd unit files et al

Re: systemd: Is it wrong?

2011-07-10 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/10/2011 09:39 PM, Steve Dickson wrote: Completely and having administrators add and to set these values manually in /etc/sysctl.conf as I mentioned in comment 30. I don't agree with this approach actually. Doing it this way means that we now have dependencies for the daemon

Re: Lack of space on /

2011-07-08 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/08/2011 04:47 AM, Paul F. Johnson wrote: Hi, Something strange has happened on my system. At the start of last week, / was reporting that I had about 8Gb free. It now reports that / is completely full. .. Any ideas? Probably should be users list not dev (unless you're running

Re: systemd: Is it wrong?

2011-07-08 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/08/2011 10:06 AM, JB wrote: This entry is passed to systemd for execution, as is ! It is the responsibility of systemd to parse it, determine what entry it is (you could put in there any garbage, perhaps a virus, rootkit, etc), then if a valid executable entry then it should validate

Re: [HEADS-UP] replacing report with libreport

2011-06-30 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/30/2011 12:16 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Jiri Moskovcak jmosk...@redhat.com wrote: - I was afraid, that it would be against some Fedora policy ;) Then just the rawhide.. Okay if this isn't coming to F15, can you provide the sufficient instructions on

Re: [HEADS-UP] replacing report with libreport

2011-06-30 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/30/2011 12:16 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Jiri Moskovcak jmosk...@redhat.com wrote: - I was afraid, that it would be against some Fedora policy ;) Then just the rawhide.. Okay if this isn't coming to F15, can you provide the sufficient instructions on

Re: [HEADS-UP] replacing report with libreport

2011-06-30 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/30/2011 08:26 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: Well, updates-testing is 'you get to keep both halves' territory. wasn't it stable that broke things (sealert stopped working for example after a stable update) - and then something from updates testing was supposed to fix it? But it never made

Re: [HEADS-UP] replacing report with libreport

2011-06-30 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/30/2011 10:44 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 22:04 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: On 06/30/2011 08:26 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: Well, updates-testing is 'you get to keep both halves' territory. wasn't it stable that broke things (sealert stopped working for example

i915 errors from 3.0 kernel

2011-06-29 Thread Genes MailLists
I am getting a lot of these in kernel 3.0-0.rc5.git0.1.fc16.x86_64 testing on F15 - i915 - happens on wake from sleep I think. Is this advisory/benign or a problem ? thanks gene/. -- /var/log/messages -- Jun 29 08:37:25 lap3 kernel:

Re: i915 errors from 3.0 kernel

2011-06-29 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/29/2011 01:22 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 12:58 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: I am getting a lot of these in kernel 3.0-0.rc5.git0.1.fc16.x86_64 testing on F15 - i915 - happens on wake from sleep I think. Is this advisory/benign or a problem ? It's benign. We

Re: i915 errors from 3.0 kernel

2011-06-29 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/29/2011 01:48 PM, Dave Jones wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 01:40:06PM -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: I thought so - glad its benign ... I assume the messages will sometimes be useful to the kernel team ... so should I keep mentioning new ones or only if its an actual

Re: Trusted Boot in Fedora

2011-06-24 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/24/2011 04:07 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/24/2011 12:55 PM, JB wrote: JB jb.1234abcd at gmail.com writes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_computing TC is controversial because it is technically possible not just to secure the hardware for its owner, but also to secure against

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-20 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/20/2011 01:22 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: ... gnome3 was not driven by user feedbak. It was driven by getting vendors to install it on factory shipped netbooks. Perhaps, tho I suspect Android won that market already ... but perhaps its worth a shot, things can change. Again, I'm

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-18 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/17/2011 11:36 PM, Evandro Giovanini wrote: those who are want to rewrite/modify GNOME3. No, I'm not. There are several working extensions *today*, I'm simply suggesting that people not 100% satisfied with the default GNOME 3 experience go out there and experiment with them. It's

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :) = vnc

2011-06-14 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/14/2011 02:32 PM, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: On 06/14/2011 11:24 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: Its worked super well for me (though less well with GNOME3's effects etc)... Can you point me to what you mean by the usual info into xorg.conf? to be clear, I don't want to run *my* session

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics = systemd

2011-06-13 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/13/2011 03:13 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: ... systemd surpasses Upstart in every way. It's not in an early state. Upstart is much more limited and hence in a much earlier state feature-wise. ... Lennart Superior design - yes I like it - but in practice there are still some

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/13/2011 11:39 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: . At this point I am going to ask for someone from the Community Working Group to step in and see how we can better get along here. If you have a problem with that, I think it would be better if you took some time off and did something else

Re: conclusion: F15 / systemd / user-experience

2011-06-13 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/13/2011 08:54 PM, Scott Schmit wrote: Not addressing specifically the issue with the kernel updates, but at least in part, the answer is simple: * Within a release, updates should try very hard to avoid breaking things. * Between releases, upgrades can change a lot. These changes are

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/12/2011 12:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: is there any clean way to get newer intel-graphics drivers on fedora 14? performance is horrible and under kde the desktop often hangs for some seconds this is nothing i would expect with http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=52213 I

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/12/2011 07:59 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: I have done this and its working - I've used rawhide with 2.6.39 kernel and also F15. See my comments below. I'll describe what you need to do using subset of F15. this forces a GLIBC-Upgrade, see my others posts Yes - I said the same

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/12/2011 08:40 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 13.06.2011 02:29, schrieb Genes MailLists: Perhaps this is not the way for you if you find it confusing ... my suggestion then is deal with systemd and its bugs/quirks or perhaps install F15 and replace systemd with upstart - that should work

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/09/2011 06:37 PM, Dave Jones wrote: On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 02:00:57PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Long list already from others but a couple of other things that are nice (dont know if qemu has these today, but didn't used to) (i) Variable size image for the VM - it grows

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/10/2011 03:13 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: what would be really nice is to redirect systemd discussions to its upstream mailing list. Fedora devel is hardly the best place for it. Rahul Beg to differ - rather vehemently too - politely but vehemently. systemd is only available in

Re: memtest86+

2011-06-02 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/02/2011 04:44 AM, Jaroslav Skarvada wrote: - Original Message - 4.20 is in rawhide since March 07. I will push it to f14/f15 also. Please file a bug next time thanks regards Jaroslav Thanks - I did file a bug and see that you replied to the bug too - so thanks. (my

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