Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 9:36:38 AM MST Dan Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 09:18 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 5:13:48 AM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski- > > Szmek > > wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 5:13:48 AM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:41:12PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Monday, September 28, 2020 9:39:17 AM MST Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > > > You can do this, but again,

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 6:41:12 AM MST Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Di, 29.09.20 04:03, John M. Harris Jr (joh...@splentity.com) wrote: > > > > > Search domains on VPNs are an indicator that these domains are handled > > > by the VPN, that's why we use t

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 3:59:14 AM MST Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Di, 29.09.20 03:49, John M. Harris Jr (joh...@splentity.com) wrote: > > > > Search domains have absolutely nothing to do with routing. Search domains > > are specifically used for resolving non-FQD

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 1:01:23 AM MST Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mo, 28.09.20 23:37, John M. Harris Jr (joh...@splentity.com) wrote: > > > > > Configure "." as "routing domain" on a specific iface and the lookups > > > wil go ther

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread John M. Harris Jr
used to get the right results. Routing and DNS are unrelated. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedorap

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread John M. Harris Jr
> Ideally you'd use more fine grained routing domains however. > > Lennart Lennart, Is that a NetworkManager setting or a systemd-resolved setting? Is that going to be exposed in the GUI, or is it something that gets hidden away? How does systemd-resolved figure out what domains

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-28 Thread John M. Harris Jr
bring up that replacing /etc/resolv.conf would cause needless trouble, and that looking for the comment NetworkManager puts in it wasn't sufficient, but my messages were ignored. Not only will this needlessly break existing configurations, but it will leak all of your priv

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, September 11, 2020 4:36:38 AM MST Björn Persson wrote: > John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Thursday, September 10, 2020 11:56:25 PM MST alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > > > But systemd in Fedora is built to use > > > FallbackNTPServers=0.fedora.pool.ntp.org 1.

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-11 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 10:38:51 PM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 06:37:56PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:42:24 AM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > > > O

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-11 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 11:56:25 PM MST alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 18:33 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > Why in the world would systemd have anything to do with NTP? We still > > use > > > It has to do with NTP in the

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
need to, provide the trivial two-line > dropin file to override this locally. Zbyszek, I'm definitely not suggesting something that is "non-working". That said, not having any DNS servers configured indicates that remote lookup should not be used, not that a random DNS server should be picked by th

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
r provide a default resolved.conf file where FallbackDNS is > uncommented and filled. It's important to note that this is also a major change in behavior. Currently, when no DNS servers are configured, your system will only perform local lookup, and will not look at an external DNS server. -- John

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 1:36:18 AM MST alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 01:02 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > > > A quick reminder that we're about to release with the system > > configured to use > > Google DNS when no DN

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
to release with the system configured to use Google DNS when no DNS servers are configured. If privacy is valued at all, this needs to be addressed before release. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.f

Re: Gitlab Ask Me Anything - Sept 10th, 13:30 UTC

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
is is not likely a decision that would be reached by Fedora as a whole, if this had been put to a vote. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org F

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
d display system now. X > applications will continue to run transparently through XWayland. > > > -- > Ben Cotton > He / Him / His > Senior Program Manager, Fedora & CentOS Stream > Red Hat > TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis As long as this can be fixed back to X11

Re: Release criteria proposal: first boot experience

2020-09-08 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, September 7, 2020 7:25:49 AM MST Martin Kolman wrote: > On Tue, 2020-09-01 at 19:15 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 1:22:26 PM MST Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > We currently have a

Re: Gitlab Ask Me Anything - Sept 10th, 13:30 UTC

2020-09-05 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, September 5, 2020 8:40:21 AM MST Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Sep 04, 2020 at 05:14:21PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > That's an interesting choice. Isn't it a bit of a waste to put all of the > > > > resources into Pagure for so long, onl

Re: Gitlab Ask Me Anything - Sept 10th, 13:30 UTC

2020-09-04 Thread John M. Harris Jr
cussion, > > Aoife > > > [1] https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/217350 That's an interesting choice. Isn't it a bit of a waste to put all of the resources into Pagure for so long, only to jump over to GitLab? -- John M. Harris, Jr.

Re: Switching package to fragmented default configuration

2020-09-02 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 8:03:03 AM MST David Tardon wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, 2020-08-31 at 23:46 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Monday, August 31, 2020 11:24:57 PM MST David Tardon wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 2020-08-31 at 00:

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-09-02 Thread John M. Harris Jr
/etc/cron.weekly/98-zfs-fuse-scrub is the only real crontab entry. > > > I also noticed that yesterday: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1874553 > > Michael Michael, What's meant is that people are still setting up scheduled tasks by running `crontab -e` and

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-09-02 Thread John M. Harris Jr
aged cronfiles into systemd > timers. But it seems that this is already mostly done. On my machine, > /etc/cron.weekly/98-zfs-fuse-scrub is the only real crontab entry. > > Those are not big programs, but each thing that is running on a > machine has some small i

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-01 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 7:29:44 PM MST Ed Greshko wrote: > On 2020-09-02 10:21, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > I don't know what you're talking about here. Am I missing something? Is > > this a F33 Change? Exact content of my /etc/nsswitch: > > > Is your syst

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-01 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 5:19:15 AM MST Florian Weimer wrote: > * John M. Harris, Jr.: > > > > Sure, those two companies will be thrilled, I'm sure. This is a huge > > disservice to our users. Why in the world does systemd try to force DNS > > servers when non

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-01 Thread John M. Harris Jr
how to configure DNS, you likely have > bigger problems than systemd.... If this is unlikely to be used, can we get this set to empty by default in Fedora? -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-01 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 7:14:35 AM MST Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 11:49 pm, John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > Michael, > > > > The file is /etc/nsswitch.conf. > > > You're wasting everyone's time with these low-effort spa

Re: Release criteria proposal: first boot experience

2020-09-01 Thread John M. Harris Jr
le this behavior, or do I have to write my own kickstart to fix that? -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-01 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, August 31, 2020 8:32:49 AM MST Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 31.08.2020 17:07, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > ship a release with "fallback" to Google and Cloudflare DNS? > > > Big Brother will be happy. :-) Sure, those two companies will be thr

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-01 Thread John M. Harris Jr
gt; # authselect apply-changes > > and then restart your browser. That's not the configuration we want to > use in F33, but hopefully it will "fix" your problem. Please let me > know if it works! > > Michael Michael, The file is /etc/nsswitch.conf. -- John M. Ha

Re: Switching package to fragmented default configuration

2020-09-01 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, August 31, 2020 11:24:57 PM MST David Tardon wrote: > On Mon, 2020-08-31 at 00:08 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Saturday, August 29, 2020 3:36:33 PM MST Colin Walters wrote: > > > > > https://blog.verbum.org/2020/08/22/immutable-%E2%86%92-

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, August 31, 2020 6:43:37 AM MST Ed Greshko wrote: > On 2020-08-31 21:40, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Monday, August 31, 2020 1:22:58 AM MST Ed Greshko wrote: > > > >> On 2020-08-30 18:30, Andreas Tunek wrote: > >> > >> > >>

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
t *disabling* it, but there's a far better option: Have it start in the background, if it doesn't already. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Cod

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
s 325048326213600 26109168 20% /home > /dev/vda1ext4 999320 184228 746280 20% /boot > nas:/volume1/aux nfs4 5621463168 1920182016 3701281152 35% /aux Ed, Where did you set these fallback servers? This is something that you specifically chose to do, and n

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
time. I'm not concerned about Fedora defined cron jobs, or I wouldn't be including `atd` in that list anyway. I don't think that anything in Fedora itself uses `atd`. The end user is the one that will be using `crond` and `atd`. If you just put these in the background, if they're not alread

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
ink on new installs. That would simplify the logic, and prevent breaking peoples' systems needlessly. All users would benefit this way. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe se

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
with an editor, such as Emacs, Vim or ed. I did it with shell expansion to make it easier to format into an email. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedorapro

Re: Switching package to fragmented default configuration

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
bust way elsewhere. This way, everyone benefits. Sysadmins don't have to deal with that nightmare, packagers don't have to deal with it, upstream software devs don't get patches flying in from all around to apply this to their software, and folks that want to give it a go can play around wit

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
ad, perhaps these could be marked such that they'll start in the background, instead of inhibiting the sddm/whatever GNOME's service is from starting, if they're not already marked as such. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@

Re: Switching package to fragmented default configuration

2020-08-29 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, August 29, 2020 1:00:17 AM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 8/28/20 9:40 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > Please don't invent a new logic, especially the one that systemd does. > > This makes it very difficult to figure out where in the world the > > config

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-08-28 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, August 28, 2020 9:55:18 PM MST drago01 wrote: > On Saturday, August 29, 2020, John M. Harris Jr > > wrote: > > On Monday, August 10, 2020 9:52:42 AM MST Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 9:08 am, Michael Catanzaro > > > > > &

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-08-28 Thread John M. Harris Jr
oples' systems here, we can easily plan for this. I also don't know where you're getting this estimate of 99% of users not changing this file. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an emai

Re: Switching package to fragmented default configuration

2020-08-28 Thread John M. Harris Jr
switching an existing single-config > > package to a fully fragmented configuration? Is it worth the trouble, > > or do you have any other suggestions? > > > Yes, it's definitely worth the trouble, it makes many things easier and > more robust. Who does this m

Re: EarlyOOM +ZRAM Only

2020-08-14 Thread John M. Harris Jr
, swap 10%, Where does 2.52 come from, pray? Are you kidding? The system still had over a quarter of a gigabyte of free RAM. There's no reason to start killing off processes at that point. That's tons of free memory. To put that into perspective, that's enough free memory to store over 1000 average-leng

Re: EarlyOOM +ZRAM Only

2020-08-12 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 3:43:24 PM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 8/12/20 12:06 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 11:27:37 AM MST Sergio Belkin wrote: > > > >> mem avail: 337 of 15887 MiB ( 2.13%), swap free:0 of 4095 MiB ( &

Re: EarlyOOM +ZRAM Only

2020-08-12 Thread John M. Harris Jr
econds > > > So I wonder if is advisable using EarlyOOM + ZRAM Only, what do you > think? > Thanks in advance! Please keep this in mind going forward, and take a moment to consider enabling EarlyOOM in Fedora. As it turns out, EarlyOOM does exactly what it says it does: It kills yo

Re: Remote wipe options for Fedora?

2020-08-05 Thread John M. Harris Jr
dora has a "rescue" GRUB boot menu option. This is a "no > host-only" initramfs. Currently it's never updated, i.e. it gets > stale. For a while I've wanted us to remove this initramfs during > release upgrades, so they get regenerated. At the least it'd be nice > to mak

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-08-05 Thread John M. Harris Jr
he dependency into > fedora-release as was proposed elsewhere. Generally, if you let the package go, your system won't suffer from your processes getting killed needlessly. This is likely a benefit, so I don't know if this is really a bug. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___

Re: [retitled] Fedora wiki and code tags

2020-08-04 Thread John M. Harris Jr
ra wiki didn't just appear magically one day: your colleagues in > Fedora put effort into standing it up and its maintainance, and some > have even worked on mediawiki itself. Telling us that it "sucks" is not > courteous, polite, considerate, or respectful. I've s

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-07-29 Thread John M. Harris Jr
> > That information is stale. The feature page has been updated. > > man page contains: > >To disable a configuration file supplied by the vendor, the > recommended way is to place a symlink to /dev/null in the > configuration directory in /etc/, with the same filename

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-07-28 Thread John M. Harris Jr
's not necessarily a bad thing. Regardless of what we do here, systemd- resolved is a consumer of NetworkManager's configuration. > We should replace it with a symlink to systemd if (and only > if) it's managed by NetworkManager. Sounds good. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-07-28 Thread John M. Harris Jr
le was generated. Agreed, I don't think I ever removed that from my /etc/resolv.conf on any of my systems. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-07-28 Thread John M. Harris Jr
y overwrite them whenever it feels the > need to. To prevent brutally overwriting configuration, it would be best not to replace /etc/resolv.conf with a symlink on upgrade, ignoring user configuration, but to do so on all new installs. -- John M. Harris, Jr. _

Re: Over 1000 (retired) packages orphaned

2020-07-27 Thread John M. Harris Jr
ew has > completed. You can ask releng at: https://pagure.io/releng/ > > > Note: I have only updates the rpms namespace, there are 44 modules and > container in the same situation for which I don't quite know what to do. I'll update emacs-php-mode and submit a ne

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-07-27 Thread John M. Harris Jr
systemd-resolved itself, either through > > NetworkManager (as we will recommend) or directly through > > systemd-resolved's configuration interface (if not using NetworkManager). > > > Thanks, I guess I misunderstood because of alarmist tones. > This will work just fin

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-07-27 Thread John M. Harris Jr
set by NetworkManager or the end user, and replaced with a symlink. This will needlessly break users' systems upon upgrade. Lennart described another mode of operation for systmed- resolved, where it continues to use /etc/resolv.conf exactly as you'd expect. -

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-07-27 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Sunday, July 26, 2020 7:47:08 PM MST Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 7/26/20 6:15 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > Please do not disable reading from /etc/resolv.conf. > > > > Where did you get the impression that the change would do that? > > Relev

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-07-27 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Sunday, July 26, 2020 7:06:48 PM MST Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 6:15 pm, John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > Please do not disable reading from /etc/resolv.conf. If you do so, > > please > > limit that to the Spins

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-07-26 Thread John M. Harris Jr
; perform name resolution. Writing to /etc/resolv.conf will no longer > work as expected. > > > -- > Ben Cotton > He / Him / His > Senior Program Manager, Fedora & CentOS Stream > Red Hat > TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis Please do not disable reading from /etc

Re: Fedora flatpaks on non-x86 architectures

2020-07-26 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Sunday, July 26, 2020 7:50:35 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 12:43 AM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > > > On Saturday, July 25, 2020 11:31:18 PM MST Qiyu Yan wrote: > > > > > John M. Harris Jr 于 2020年7月26日周日 下午2:25写道: > &g

Re: Fedora flatpaks on non-x86 architectures

2020-07-26 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, July 25, 2020 11:31:18 PM MST Qiyu Yan wrote: > John M. Harris Jr 于 2020年7月26日周日 下午2:25写道: > > > On Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:29:45 PM MST Qiyu Yan wrote: > > > But your advice to use dnf is not a good one. The thread is about the > > > > topic &g

Re: Fedora flatpaks on non-x86 architectures

2020-07-26 Thread John M. Harris Jr
What does Silverblue use, if not `dnf`? -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/pro

Re: Fedora flatpaks on non-x86 architectures

2020-07-25 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, July 25, 2020 4:28:19 PM MST Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > On 7/25/2020 3:39 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > The solution is to run the following command: > > > > `dnf install $package`. This will install your arch's version of the > > package yo

Re: Fedora flatpaks on non-x86 architectures

2020-07-25 Thread John M. Harris Jr
help is welcome! > > Thank you! The solution is to run the following command: `dnf install $package`. This will install your arch's version of the package you're looking for. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lis

Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers

2020-07-20 Thread John M. Harris Jr
rg/orphans-2020-07-20.txt > grep it for your FAS username and follow the dependency chain. > rmattes: emacs-lua If somebody would be willing to sponsor me, I could take this package. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedo

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-19 Thread John M. Harris Jr
is dead. Userspace isn't dead when a system is thrashing. Your software is still running. If it gets killed, you're most likely going to lose your data. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe s

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-18 Thread John M. Harris Jr
our RAM, not killing everything but those. The kernel OOM killer does its job, and it does it well. The goal is to ensure the kernel can keep doing its job, it's not going to try to figure out what you intend for userspace, as well it shouldn't. -- John M. Harris, Jr. _

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-18 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, July 18, 2020 3:25:35 AM MST Benjamin Berg wrote: > On Fri, 2020-07-17 at 19:44 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Friday, July 17, 2020 10:06:53 AM MST Benjamin Berg wrote: > > > What we achieve by killing a process is that we give the kernel more > &

Re: Ditch RPM in favor of DPKG

2020-07-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 17, 2020 10:20:54 PM MST Anthony F McInerney wrote: > On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 at 04:19, John M. Harris Jr > > wrote: > > On Thursday, July 16, 2020 3:11:19 AM MST Dridi Boukelmoune wrote: > > > there was no reason not to replac it with regular a

Re: Orphaning a number of Lua-related packages

2020-07-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
ure the package remains alive and kicking for years to come. I've gone through the review process with another package previously, and I can cite the bugzilla ticket, if it's a requirement that I demonstrate an understanding of that process. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___

Re: Ditch RPM in favor of DPKG

2020-07-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
ohn M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: ht

Re: Btrfs in Silverblue

2020-07-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
oday, or even automatic snapshotting. Using a "generator" for this is probably the least discoverable way to go about it, in this case. Again, fstab solves this problem. We don't need to replace our wheels with square ones. -- John M. Harris, Jr.

Re: F33 Change proposal: Replace Linux kernel with BSD kernel

2020-07-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, July 16, 2020 2:37:55 PM MST Ben Cotton wrote: > > F33 Change proposal: Replace Linux kernel with BSD kernel - System-Wide Well, which BSD kernel? ;) This email just serves as a neat example of that potential new format for Change proposals. -- John M. Harr

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 17, 2020 10:06:53 AM MST Benjamin Berg wrote: > On Fri, 2020-07-17 at 09:12 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:18:08 AM MST Benjamin Berg wrote: > > > So, we don't want to get the kernel into the situation where it must > &

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
shouldn't enable EarlyOOM, as it will kill processes from in main memory. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduc

Re: Btrfs in Silverblue

2020-07-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
a certain way. For example, we > could say, if the generator finds a set of subvolumes called > "/_home." on the root fs, then it would sort them by name, and > pick the last one of it, and automatically synthesize a .mount unit > that mounts it to /home. And similar for other

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, July 13, 2020 10:48:03 AM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 7/13/20 8:21 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Monday, July 13, 2020 1:58:30 AM MST Benjamin Berg wrote: > > > >> But, I also think that the people proposing this have done quite a lot > >>

Re: Btrfs in Silverblue

2020-07-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
's initial installation, such that the end user can see the options they may want to modify first. Removing these options is harmful. These things shouldn't try to hide themselves away in "generators". The best way to go about it, as I see it, is the way we've always handled it. The root

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, July 13, 2020 7:52:51 AM MST Przemek Klosowski via devel wrote: > On 7/10/20 5:22 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > >> Android, actually, is trying to get it right by a) being a platform so > >> that common security updates are available from the platform owner, an

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
t. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guide

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, July 13, 2020 2:59:24 AM MST Joe Orton wrote: > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 02:27:49PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > There's no reason to "update" any config, php-fpm is just an alternative > > option. mod_php still works well, and doesn't

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-12 Thread John M. Harris Jr
experience in Fedora Workstation to at least Fedora KDE, > if not all Fedora desktop variants. And where it makes sense, I will > attempt to bring these improvements to *all* Fedora variants. That sounds like an excellent idea, but I'm not convinced that killing users' processes, while the

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-12 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, July 11, 2020 3:14:06 PM MST Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 9:11 PM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > None of this is relevant ... (to) ... a package which is ... > > widely used, however. > > > You keep making that assertion.

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-11 Thread John M. Harris Jr
ith multiple components and incremental changes. The pro and > con to earlyoom is the same: it's simple. How about, instead of a half-baked solution that you're *plan* to get rid of soon, you keep the playtesting to GNOME Spin, and don't hurt the KDE Spin in the process, as this Change will do? --

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-11 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, July 11, 2020 11:47:30 AM MST Jonathan Wakely wrote: > On 11/07/20 01:44 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > >I said that php-fpm was fast than mod_php, however it's just not a huge > > > When? > > I see the opposite claim, repeatedly: > > On 10/

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-11 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, July 11, 2020 1:34:12 AM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 7/11/20 1:09 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > It's demonstrably false that php-fpm "saves hundreds" of milliseconds, > > unless you're counting up every single saved ms over the course of a > >

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-11 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 10, 2020 11:45:06 PM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 7/10/20 10:55 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > I demonstrated how it adds ~1ms to requests. That's one of the major > > downsides to using FastCGI, and it's unavoidable. > > > You didn't dem

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 10, 2020 9:41:48 PM MST drago01 wrote: > On Saturday, July 11, 2020, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Friday, July 10, 2020 6:43:59 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 9:38 PM John M. Harris Jr > > > > > > wrote: > > &

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 10, 2020 7:12:50 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 10:05 PM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, July 10, 2020 6:56:36 PM MST Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:50

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 10, 2020 6:56:36 PM MST Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:50 AM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > > > > Why should I have to switch the system that's being used, and potentially > > break these servers, just because a pac

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 10, 2020 6:43:59 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 9:38 PM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, July 10, 2020 6:31:08 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 9:26

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 10, 2020 6:31:08 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 9:26 PM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, July 10, 2020 6:14:27 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 8:59

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 10, 2020 6:14:27 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 8:59 PM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, July 10, 2020 5:56:31 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 8:55

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 10, 2020 5:56:31 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 8:55 PM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, May 28, 2020 12:53:26 PM MST Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/drop_mod

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
Now that this has been accepted, I take it that the current maintainer of mod_php no longer wants to maintain it? I'd like to offer to take over the package if that's the case, so that Fedora will continue to work for those using mod_php. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___

Re: PSA: dnf autoremove cleans fedora-repos-modular

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 10, 2020 2:53:30 PM MST Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 10. 07. 20 23:35, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > >>> DNF should perform "dnf mark install fedora-repos-rawhide-modular" > >>> action > >>> on a system upgrade, because we want that p

Re: PSA: dnf autoremove cleans fedora-repos-modular

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
I worry that DNF does not possess a capability for > > doing it. (Except of injecting that command into some externally executed > > script.) > > > Can we amend dnf system-upgrade to do this? Wouldn't that install modular repos on systems that end users have removed it f

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
e you may > store sensitive documents someday, to the fridge where the evil maid > may serve herself on your precious lagger. > > The threat scenario has been massively ovehyped to justify giving keys > to the manufacturers. Please note that SMS two factor has been known to be insecur

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
ot good for the end user, it's harmful. It would mean they don't actually own the system, the vendor does. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
That's not accurate, as demonstrated earlier. At least, it's not accurate for my hardware. I haven't tested on anything more recent. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-

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