Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 12:08 PM Lennart Poettering wrote: > Heya, > > today I installed the current Fedora 30 Workstation beta on my new > laptop. It was a bumpy ride, I must say (the partitioner (blivet?) > crashed five times or so on me, always kicking me out of anaconda > again, just because

Re: auto-starting libvirtd on Workstation

2019-04-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
I don't think we particularly need autostarting vms on the workstation. It would be very nice to get libvirtd activated. I know we've asked for this before... ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: CUPS will change license since 2.3 version - now incompatible with GPLv2

2017-11-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2017-11-08 at 18:07 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Neal Gompa > wrote: > > libkprint, kde-print-manager, etc. may have dependencies that make > > the mix impossible. I don't know for sure, though. > > GTK+ > For GTK+, one possible

Re: GNOME 3.25.92 megaupdate

2017-09-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 14:02 +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: > On 09/06/2017 01:22 PM, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > > [tkloczko@domek SPECS.fedora]$ grep filetrigger * | grep icons > > adwaita-icon-theme.spec:%transfiletriggerin -- > > %{_datadir}/icons/Adwaita > >

Re: Nested rich-dependencies in rpm

2017-04-12 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2017-04-12 at 18:20 +0200, Björn 'besser82' Esser wrote: > > > > > @Björn: Do you know how libyui chooses the toolkit? > > Yes.  Libyui performs a check on init of ui whether it's running on > a  > TTY or not: > >  if TTY it instantly uses libyui-ncurses >  else it *tries* to

Re: flatpak app launch script

2017-02-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2017-02-01 at 14:26 +0100, Martin Kolman wrote: > On Wed, 2017-02-01 at 07:16 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Wed, 2017-02-01 at 13:46 +0100, Martin Kolman wrote: > > > Can you pass command line arguments like this ? For example > > > inkscape > > > can be used not only as a GUI

Re: Nautilus usability

2016-11-29 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2016-11-29 at 14:40 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 15:26:50 +0100, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > > > I'm missing a link to a bug report here. > > Blame the bad experience I've made with tickets at > bugzilla.gnome.org. > > There is no reason to believe that the Nautilus

Re: systemd 230 change - KillUserProcesses defaults to yes

2016-06-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2016-06-02 at 14:19 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: > > > > On Jun 1, 2016, at 09:48, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > > Any scheme that relies on unprivileged programs "being nice" > > doesn't > > fix the inherent security problem: after logout a user should not > > be > > able consume

Re: systemd 230 change - KillUserProcesses defaults to yes

2016-06-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2016-06-02 at 10:02 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: >  > People aren't agreeing with you. So making it a default seems like a > bad > idea. People do seem to agree on "obviously broken windoing apps" > that > are left lingering. Why can't we just let those get killed? >  You are misinformed.

Re: gnome-software integration

2016-06-01 Thread Matthias Clasen
> xiphos-gtk2.rpm: > /usr/bin/xiphos-gtk2 > /usr/share/appdata/xiphos-gtk2.appdata.xml > /usr/share/applications/xiphos-gtk2.desktop > > xiphos-gtk3.rpm: > /usr/bin/xiphos-gtk3 > /usr/share/appdata/xiphos-gtk3.appdata.xml > /usr/share/applications/xiphos-gtk3.desktop I have to ask though: is it

Re: systemd 230 change - KillUserProcesses defaults to yes

2016-06-01 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2016-06-01 at 09:59 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > This paints a very specific premise of what a "logout" is, and I'm > not > sure I agree with it. There are actually many cases where I want to > use > resources on systems I have accounts on without specifically being > logged in — the

Re: What to do with application that only works in some desktops

2016-05-31 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2016-05-31 at 18:54 +0200, Göran Uddeborg wrote: > Hello! > > I would like to ask for some help what to do with > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1324881  I've been > pondering it for some time, but I know too little to know what to do. > > It's about the old amusement

Re: best approach for cleaning package metadata cache for old versions on upgrade?

2016-04-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2016-04-15 at 09:08 -0400, Honza Šilhan wrote: > Do you think you can remove cache of any package without the crash? > I remember cleaning cache for docker (even after properly deleting > the saved > images) and I was not able to get it work again. Thats part of the semantics of

Re: best approach for cleaning package metadata cache for old versions on upgrade?

2016-04-14 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2016-04-14 at 12:51 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > There is a thread on the users' list * dealing with the issue that > after an upgrade, there's no non-obscure way to clean cached metadata > (or packages, even) from previous releases. The thread discussses DNF > and Yum, but it may apply

Re: Firefox not working anymore over ssh?

2016-04-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2016-04-04 at 15:23 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Mon, 2016-04-04 at 13:56 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > It does.  > > > > Also, I haven't seen any of the breakage in webkit mentioned in > > this > > thread here with a skylake laptop.  > The bug only occurs in accelerated

Re: Firefox not working anymore over ssh?

2016-04-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2016-04-02 at 09:17 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > > So if there are issues with WebKit they should be fixed. "It can't > > work lets go back to DRI2" isn't really an option in the long run > It would be great if somebody would fix this. I just want to give a > heads-up that we

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2016-03-15 at 13:06 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > So do you see any solution/improvement for this issue? I repeatedly > reported the breakages, I made some proposals (as simple as "send an > email"), which IMO should improve the situation, but it seems that > you > prefer to keep status quo.

Re: Gnome always broken in Rawhide

2016-01-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2016-01-22 at 12:37 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I am wondering why the Gnome updates in Rawhide has to be always > broken? > Today I updated my computer just to find out that my gnome-shell is > crashing instantly. As it turned out, majority of Gnome components > were >

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-30 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2015-09-30 at 08:13 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: > > I'd just like to point out that we have always had the requirement > for > package that bundled libraries to carry the "Provides: > bundled(libname)" > metadata.  What's new here is not needing to go through the FPC to > get > an

Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything) bloat

2015-09-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2015-09-24 at 11:00 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Thu, 2015-09-24 at 00:59 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > Bummer. The reason for libxkbcommon dependency is to be able to > > make > > sure that the new config is valid. Before that was added we had a > > set > > of rules

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

2015-09-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 05:31 -0500, kendell clark wrote: > hi > I'm ambivolent on the subject. If flat volumes become a problem, I > know > how to turn them off. However, I think because of all the complaints > here by people who have a very good track record and don't complain > often, this seems

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

2015-09-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 15:51 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Thu, 17.09.15 20:59, Germano Massullo (germano.massu...@gmail.com) > wrote: > > > Today I had a scary experience with the audio of my computer. > > I was listening to music with Amarok, using my headphones... The > > KMix > >

Re: Fedora Ring 0 definition

2015-09-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2015-09-02 at 15:24 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > (Also, the original definition included Anaconda because you need > something to actually install Fedora Ring 0 with and that brought in > GTK, etc).) I think 'not self-hosting' should be understood to imply 'not self- installing' - ie don't

Re: [HEADS UP] rpm-4.12.90 in rawhide

2015-08-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 09:49 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 28.7.2015 v 18:15 Matthias Clasen napsal(a): On Tue, 2015-07-28 at 14:49 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: Just out of curiosity, do you have already any candidates for File Triggers? I suppose /sbin/ldconfig is one of them. Do you

Re: and legacy software Re: pyorbit

2015-08-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2015-08-01 at 03:24 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Bastien Nocera wrote: You're just 8 years late for noticing that: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/tree/plugins/xse ttings/gsd-xsettings-manager.c#n79 and the explanation has been here for 4 years. That is not the

Re: and legacy software Re: pyorbit

2015-07-29 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 12:47 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 21:27:45 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: As I have thought for some time, I think we should have a team to keep packages and make migrations like gtk2 to gkt3, libgnome2, pyorbit, gnome-python2, pyhton2 to

Re: [HEADS UP] rpm-4.12.90 in rawhide

2015-07-28 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2015-07-28 at 14:49 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: Just out of curiosity, do you have already any candidates for File Triggers? I suppose /sbin/ldconfig is one of them. Do you plan to have some F24 feature to get rid of these? Here is a list of candidates:

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2015-07-14 at 10:13 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Can we just drop comps entirely (or at least trim them down significantly)? I know that this will not happen from day to day, but I see the comps just as an ugly workaround for missing

Re: dnssec-trigger + GNOME + NetworkManager integration

2015-06-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2015-06-23 at 18:43 +0200, Tomas Hozza wrote: Hey, I was out for a week, so this may be a bit of a late reply. As Michael and Bastien already stated, all the GNOME networking UI relies on information gotten from NetworkManager, and we'd like to keep it that way. In particular,

Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Standardized Passphrase Policy

2015-06-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2015-06-23 at 12:21 -0400, Jan Kurik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Standardized Passphrase Policy = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Standardized_passphrase_policy Change owner(s): * Kevin Fenzi kevin at scrye dot com * David Cantrell dcantrell at redhat dot com *

Re: F23 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2015-06-12 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2015-06-12 at 09:57 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, Matthias Clasen wrote: I've just installed dnssec-trigger on rawhide to try this out, and found that it breaks networking on my Workstation. I used to get a network connection on login, now I get a question mark

Re: F23 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2015-06-12 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2015-06-12 at 10:58 +0200, Tomas Hozza wrote: 3. NM waits for some signal from unbound/dnssec-trigger about the trustability of the DNS server If you think NM needs to do some action (as I don't), we don't have problem with notifying NM (if you provide some API). This is your

Re: Changes in the f22 workstation

2015-03-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2015-03-09 at 12:31 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 20.2.2015 v 22:09 Matthias Clasen napsal(a): I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide) this week, in time for the alpha freeze next

Changes in the f22 workstation

2015-02-20 Thread Matthias Clasen
I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide) this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week: - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications are now shown at the top, and can be reviewed in

Re: another input/output question (libinput / pulseaudio / ....)

2015-02-10 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2015-02-09 at 08:44 +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: However, especially for libinput, it gets hazy and also mostly pointless. aside from some special processing required for touchpads and tablets, we don't care much _what_ a device is, we just pass on the events. If a device has keys,

Re: FESCo Elections results

2015-02-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2015-02-05 at 14:52 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jaroslav Reznik wrote: # votes | name - +-- 1427 | Kevin Fenzi 1247 | Adam Jackson 919 | Tomas Hozza 818 | Parag Nemade 617 | Debarshi Ray ← GNOME developer -

Re: DNF replacing yum: fedup?

2015-01-27 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2015-01-27 at 01:26 +, Naheem Zaffar wrote: On 26 January 2015 at 22:52, Will Woods wwo...@redhat.com wrote: (As an aside, PackageKit should also support these operations, so we can use PackageKit to make a Upgrade GUI Thing.) Gnome

Re: F22 Self Contained Change: Gnome Shell - New Notifications

2015-01-14 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2015-01-14 at 13:24 +, Peter Robinson wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon pin...@pingoured.fr wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 01:00:27PM +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Gnome Shell - New Notifications =

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2014-12-17 at 18UTC)

2014-12-17 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2014-12-17 at 04:33 -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: Hey, - Original Message - Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. snip #topic ticket #1372 Workstation Product

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2014-12-11 17:00 - 18:25 UTC)

2014-12-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 10:18 +0700, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: On 12/13/2014 12:54 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 09:38:52AM -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: - Original Message - On 12/12/2014 03:18 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: - Original

Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!

2014-12-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 18:01 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Robert Marcano wrote: I don't know why the time to rebuild rpms is important, updates are now applied at boot time, so rpms can be rebuilt with smaller nice/ionice before the user reboots (on Workstation product). Offline updates are

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-12-08 at 17:08 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 08.12.2014 um 16:55 schrieb Bastien Nocera: You're free to select another firewall zone. How, when you don't even install the firewall configuration tool by default? Settings - Network, select your network - Identity -

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 01:35 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: To me, it is obvious that the Workstation WG is in deliberate contempt of FESCo's decision. That alone ought to lead to sanctions from FESCo. In addition, FESCo's decision must be implemented properly by a security update ASAP. A

Re: Tick-tock release cadence?

2014-12-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2014-12-04 at 09:39 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: What do you think? Would this help towards the goals listed above? Would it help _other_ things? What downsides would it bring? I think it is not useful to set up a general mechanism of alternating releases and borrow a name for it

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

2014-12-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2014-12-02 at 11:33 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote: * The backlight eats a ton of battery - 4W for the display backlight and 1W for the keyboard backlight. If you are getting poor battery life, turn off the keyboard backlight and turn the screen down. But how do we fix this for all

Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora

2014-11-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2014-11-06 at 09:43 -0500, Paul Wouters wrote: On Thu, 6 Nov 2014, Martin Stransky wrote: as you may know [0] Firefox in Fedora [1] is using Mozilla Location service [2] as a location provider instead of the Google one. I'd like to ask you to join the project, install the

Re: Proposal for integration tests infrastructure

2014-11-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2014-11-04 at 04:56 -0500, Colin Walters wrote: This looks related to: https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/InstalledTests (Note that the Issues with make check is equivalent to issues with rpm %check) It's implemented by gnome-continuous, and there's been a bit of effort to make

Re: btrfs as default filesystem for F22?

2014-10-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2014-10-07 at 13:24 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Gerald B. Cox gb...@bzb.us wrote: Thanks James... I am aware of all the warnings. They might as well put up a skull crossbones. I have all my data backed up twice. But this is my point... you don't say

Re: How to include fonts in Gnome Software?

2014-10-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-10-06 at 10:49 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Hello, I noticed Titillium typeface is unlisted in Gnome Software. How to include it? I tried to look at the documentation about the process but not available. Hey Luya, I see these fonts here:

Re: The Shimmer Project - Desktop Suites GTK+ 3

2014-10-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 22:20 +0530, Satyajit Sahoo wrote: They have completey rewritten Adwaita and integrated it into GTK. If they change it again, it'll be hard for them too. But let's hope for the best :D Even better to just talk to 'them' - we are right here, and happy to answer questions.

Re: Improving the offline updates user experience

2014-09-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2014-09-16 at 16:21 +0200, Zdenek Kabelac wrote: Has Fedora given up Unix ?? This thread has gone quite far out into the weeds. It started with a fairly concrete question: can we improve the offline update experience by requiring only a single reboot, instead of two ? I'd still be

Re: On-demand launching via socket activation

2014-09-10 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2014-09-10 at 09:31 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Should I apply for an exception of some sort, or does the socket activation policy need revisiting? It's also worth noting that FESCo granted the WGs the rights to make decisions like this, so I'd recommend asking the

Re: blivet-gui announcement

2014-09-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 15:55 +0200, Vratislav Podzimek wrote: On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 09:04 -0400, Bastien Nocera wrote: - Original Message - Good news, everyone! We (me and CC'd Vojtech Trefny) would like to introduce you the next generation tool for storage management -- the

Re: blivet-gui announcement

2014-09-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 20:53 +0200, Farkas Levente wrote: system-config-lvm was removed from rhel7 while g-d-u is not able to configure lvm. so it _definitely_ a step forward. and really not agree with you about the root user usage. you imho those who would like to configure disk and lvm

Orphaning some packages

2014-09-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
I've decided to orphan some packages: ORBit2 at-spi eog-plugins gamin gnome-themes icon-naming-tools libIDL libglade2 libgnomecanvas Please pick them up if you are interested in them. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Orphaning some packages

2014-09-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2014-09-04 at 13:27 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: Hi, As I was curious of any of my packages depends on any of these I've run some repoqueries to see what depends on these, and we still have a ton of dependencies on these. So unless we want to drop a ton of packages, we really

Re: How to restart dbus service?

2014-07-17 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2014-07-17 at 16:21 +0200, Mathieu Bridon wrote: On Thu, 2014-07-17 at 16:11 +0200, Miroslav Suchý wrote: Hi, how can I restart dbus service, registered via systemd unit? To be specific, I have in system: /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.a11y.atspi.Registry.service with:

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 11:14 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Try yum update when the oldest installed kernel (and the running kernel) is the only one that works and there is a new (still broken for your system) kernel update available. In that case one really wouldn't expect the running

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Wayland

2014-05-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-05-05 at 03:59 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: The whole confusion is because the feature was initially written for 3.12 but then the whole .next thing happened. In short the text needs to be updated. Matthias updated it, I asked him but probably it needs more updates. Sorry,

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Wayland

2014-05-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 16:05 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: Is this about integrating this work in Fedora? Or more porting work? Or even make Wayland the default in F21? The section How To Test sounds as if the later is the case, but it's not entirely clear to me. I've tried to clarify the

Re: Incorrect order of /usr/bin and /usr/sbin in path

2014-05-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-05-05 at 16:19 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: It's a practical way to keep helpers out of path and autocomplete without polluting /usr/lib[64] and having to deal with multilib issues, what's pointless about it ? It causes pointless configure and Makefile complications in every

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2014-04-15 at 20:41 +0200, Thomas Woerner wrote: What you need is clearly different zones that the user can configure and associate to networks, with the default being that you trust nothing and everything is firewalled when you roam a new network. We have that already with

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 08:39 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 07:50:37AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: I would say in the long run we should be working towards creating separated locale,doc,man packages Hmm, I wonder if RPM 4.12 would allow us to do this with weak

Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
Hey, so the time has come to consider this - thanks to the great work of Richard and Kalev on the copr, we have a set of 3.12 packages that have already received fairly wide testing. But we should be careful, so I want to ask for concrete problem reports with the copr packages, besides

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 16:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 04/03/2014 04:22 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Now, in reading that policy, there are quite a few things that match the Things that would make it less likely to grant a request list. But, on the other hand, by having a

Re: Per-Product Config file divergence

2014-03-11 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-03-10 at 15:46 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Just for the more-public-record, I remain pretty sure this is a bad idea and don't think we should allow it. You should always be considered to be running exactly 0 or 1 Products. I think we should consider how to allow things like

Re: Read this if your package includes a status notifier / system tray icon

2014-03-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2014-03-06 at 00:07 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: That was the excuse for not supporting the spec in GNOME Shell: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2010-January/011228.html A very bad excuse, considering that, as I pointed out, the spec GNOME proposes using instead (the Galago

Re: Read this if your package includes a status notifier / system tray icon

2014-03-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2014-03-05 at 20:04 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: --+- GTK+ (2 or 3) | You must use Canonical's libappindicator, which is | interoperable with the KDE implementation. It is

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-03-03 at 16:16 +0200, Ric Wheeler wrote: I am fine with something like what is proposed by Steve above - let users have the GUI present an option that gives preference to the default without totally hiding other options. You and Josef are sending mixed messages here: btrfs

Re: Packages with missing %check

2014-02-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 16:58 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: 2014-02-26 14:11 GMT+01:00 Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org: The *very first* test I run is does the OS still boot? That's called smoketest for me, and it only takes a few minutes. That seems to be

Re: [Fedora-packaging] May I file 1000 bugs aka upstream test suite tracking

2014-02-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 16:51 +0200, Alexander Todorov wrote: I want to track which packages *DO NOT* have any tests and later be able to focus on creating them (be it working with volunteers, GSoC participants or whoever is willing to step up to this task). In that case, I suggest simply

Re: Proposal to WGs and rel-eng: Move 90-default.preset from systemd to fedora-release

2014-02-18 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 07:43 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Very much +1. Putting it in kickstarts is a worse tying problem than putting it in a package: it ties this configuration mechanism to a system for creating deliverables, which is what kickstart is. We need to be moving away from

Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)

2014-02-12 Thread Matthias Clasen
Are we allowed to ship software in Fedora that dynamically loads advertisements from the web and shows them to users? I think allowed is probably the wrong term to use here. Fedora packaging rules on what is allowed to be included have pretty much focused on legality of packages. ie

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-31 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2014-01-31 at 06:03 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: What this does reveal is a bigger problem: that the audiences of at least some of the spins are not aware of this relationship to the larger Fedora ecosystem. This would indicate that the dropping or de-promoting the spins might

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-31 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2014-01-31 at 14:34 +0100, Lukáš Tinkl wrote: Fedora isn't a Gnome OS, perhaps that's what they're trying to convey; making it one will most probably create less confusion but I'm sure it will also make us less relevant (my personal opinion). Not sure why that was necessary, but

a questionable dependency chain

2014-01-29 Thread Matthias Clasen
I've switched to rawhide yesterday, and discovered that vinagre now forces rsyslog onto my system. That's not great. The dependency chain goes something like this: vinagre - spice - libcacard - ... glusterfs ... - rsyslog-mmjsonparse - rsyslog I think there's at least two questionable links in

Re: SELinux RPM scriplet issue annoucement

2014-01-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-01-20 at 23:18 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2014-01-21 at 01:01 -0600, Ian Pilcher wrote: On 01/20/2014 11:48 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: The bug currently under discussion was caused by a change that came in inadvertently, not intentionally, and was actually intended

Re: adam's grump of the day: icons in fonts (was Re: web-assets-httpd stuck in limbo?)

2014-01-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2014-01-15 at 22:31 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2014-01-15 at 22:59 -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: * Another individual thought that all web authors are stupid for wanting to use fancy fonts and that I am wasting my time. (He might be right about that last bit... :-P)

Re: Taskotron

2014-01-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-01-06 at 18:06 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 6.1.2014 17:53, Matthew Miller napsal(a): On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 09:36:09AM -0700, Tim Flink wrote: One of the primary reasons for replacing AutoQA with taskotron is to make it easier for folks to contribute checks. AutoQA's

Re: /usr/share/xsessions and window manager

2013-11-18 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 11:23 +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: Hi, Yesterday I reviewed a package notion, which is a new window manager(new to fedorian), it installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsession. Interesting, when I looking into more window manager in Fedora, I found that: openbox

Re: F20 Beta upgrade issues - network status gone

2013-11-14 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 17:58 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: - I don't have any Bluetooth status or display in gnome-shell now. I did previously. I do not know what I need to install or tweak to get it back, or where to report it. I'm not as sure about this one, but it's probably the

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-11-08 at 14:06 +0200, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: 2013/11/7 Christian Schaller cscha...@redhat.com: Ok, so I guess the solution would be for the launcher to do something like this: gnome-terminal --geometry 80x37 --disable-factory --role=bitchx --class=bitchx --name bitchX

Re: [Base] Summary/Minutes from today's Base WG meeting (2013-11-08)

2013-11-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-11-08 at 10:51 -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: * LINK: http://fpaste.org/52688/38392758/ (pknirsch, 16:19:54) * Base definition: installer, compose tools, minimal install (for some definition there), and functionality the majority products want to use (pknirsch,

Re: [Base] Summary/Minutes from today's Base WG meeting (2013-11-08)

2013-11-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
Forgot one thing - the installer question. I think it already came up tangentially in some of the workstation prd discussions, but I think we should at least be open to the idea that the different products need to be able to define their own install experience. That would imply that the

Re: Workstation PRD summary and next steps

2013-11-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-11-09 at 01:03 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Christian Schaller wrote: The next update of the PRD will be posted to the fedora-desktop list as that is the designated 'home' of the working group and product and we want to avoid cluttering up the general Fedora-devel list with

Re: gtk3 broken/missing icons on kde

2013-11-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 08:23 +0100, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Sun, 2013-10-27 at 01:46 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: I don't think we'd really be correct in blocking the release for such issues -

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 12:35 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Lun 4 novembre 2013 23:02, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : The problem is not to get code in the hands of developers. You don't need distros for that. The problem is to get the code to end-users and developers spend more time fighting

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 16:32 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: Right, that's exactly what I was saying. I just think this is all the _original poster_ was talking about, not any kind of automatic configuration of such repositories. (Or at least, you can read it that way). OK. I guess that's

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 11:37 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: GNOME decided to break it all the time (can't even get extensions work from one gnome-shell version to the next one and no gracefully disabling is still functional breakage). So, you take the one API that is explicitly declared

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 18:22 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 02.11.2013 18:16, schrieb Michael Catanzaro: The other change I want is for PackageKit to download updates weekly by default. Currently updates come daily, but daily offline updates would be completely absurd. All we have to do to

Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime ?

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 18:33 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 11:01 +, Richard Hughes wrote: Sure. GNOME is a complete desktop, not a collection of packages designed to be replaced. Personally, I see little benefit in prohibiting users from removing core

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 12:01 -0500, Jon wrote: Do the codes only apply to WebRTC consumers, or can these be used in other context? For example Gnome has ctrl+alt+shift+R to screen-cast, which saves in webM format. Could that switch to whatever h.264 format with Cisco bits? Why ? Is there any

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 13:28 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 13:55:47 -0400, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 12:01 -0500, Jon wrote: Do the codes only apply to WebRTC consumers, or can these be used in other context? For example

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 17:46 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: So, really, it's this related point that I'm concerned about now. We _need_ to do these things in coordination, not just push a situation into F20 where we are telling our users to reboot everyday -- that's a pretty bad user experience.

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 18:38 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 06:21:34PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: So, really, it's this related point that I'm concerned about now. We _need_ to do these things in coordination, not just push a situation into F20 where we

Re: Fedora Working Groups: Call for Self-Nominations

2013-11-01 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 04:40 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Bill Nottingham wrote: And I would argue that having the user interface swing wildly in design implementation based on the current composition of an elected board that is refreshed in part every six months is not the sort of situation

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-01 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 10:05 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 09:58:19AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: Speaking purely for myself and my own usage, I think this distinction makes plenty of sense. Except I don't even really want the old packagekit tools. If I'm looking for

Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime ?

2013-11-01 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 15:00 +0100, Tim Lauridsen wrote: On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com wrote: Hmm... It sounds like yumex would be much more discoverable if it included an appdata file :) Done,

Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime ?

2013-10-31 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 12:13 +0100, Tim Lauridsen wrote: I have tested gnome-software to see the current state, compaired to gpk in F19, there is a lot stuff there cant be done. 1. You cant install backgrounds / icons It is an application installer, first and foremost. Installing

Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime ?

2013-10-31 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 14:31 +0100, Tim Lauridsen wrote: On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 12:13 +0100, Tim Lauridsen wrote: I have tested gnome-software to see the current state, compaired

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