Re: btrfs / booting alternative OS versions from subvolumes

2020-09-19 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 5:48 AM Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > I noticed another thread about subvolumes already exists, I'm starting > this one for the very specific topic of installing multiple root > filesystems as subvolumes > > Examples: Fedora 33 in one subvolume, Fedora rawhide in another >

Re: btrfs and default page sizes (4k vs 64k)

2020-09-18 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:07 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 02:09:42PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > I'm annoyed in general that we still have problems like this, and I'm > > even more annoyed that I basically have no way to

Re: btrfs and default page sizes (4k vs 64k)

2020-09-18 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 8:19 AM Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > > On 16/09/2020 21:29, Josef Bacik wrote: > > On 9/16/20 3:18 PM, Eugene Syromiatnikov wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 03:04:45PM -0400, Josef Bacik wrote: > >>> At the time we tied the fs blocksize to the > >>> page size, because it

Re: btrfs and default page sizes (4k vs 64k)

2020-09-16 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 2:15 PM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 02:09:42PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > I'm annoyed in general that we still have problems like this, and I'm > > even more annoyed that I basically have no way to even test or deal > &g

Re: btrfs and default page sizes (4k vs 64k)

2020-09-16 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 2:05 PM Tom Seewald wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 7:57 PM Kevin Kofler > wrote: > > > > I hate to break it to you, but this problem is not just in > > filesystems, it's in basically everything in the kernel. And we've had > > variations of problems like this for

Re: btrfs and default page sizes (4k vs 64k)

2020-09-16 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32 AM Eric Sandeen wrote: > > On 9/15/20 7:29 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 7:57 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> > >> Daniel Pocock wrote: > >>> One issue I've come across is that a btrfs filesystem can only

Re: btrfs and default page sizes (4k vs 64k)

2020-09-15 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 7:57 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Daniel Pocock wrote: > > One issue I've come across is that a btrfs filesystem can only be used > > on hosts with the same page size as the host that created the filesystem > > Ewww! That alone should disqualify btrfs as a default file

Re: compat-openssl11 vs openssl1.1

2020-09-15 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 6:35 PM Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > > On Tue, 2020-09-15 at 14:10 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > > On Tue, 2020-09-15 at 13:46 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > > > The compat- prefix is no longer allowed. Instead we should be using

Re: Changing the desktop background image of a GNOME based lab to match Fedora

2020-09-15 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:41 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > Hello, > > There is a Fedora Python Classroom Lab: > > https://labs.fedoraproject.org/python-classroom/ > > It has a GNOME based live / installable option. It has the default GNOME > desktop > background. > > What are the necessary steps to

Re: compat-openssl11 vs openssl1.1

2020-09-15 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:29 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 1:46 pm, Neal Gompa wrote: > > openssl1.0 > > It reached EOL in December 2019. Probably time to remove it from Fedora? > Ideally, yes, but I think some things still use it, and I think

Re: compat-openssl11 vs openssl1.1

2020-09-15 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 1:36 PM Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: > > On Tue, 2020-09-15 at 19:26 +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote: > > I've submitted a new compat-openssl11 package for review but it was > > pointed out to me that according to the new format of the naming for > > compat packages it should be

Re: compat-openssl11 vs openssl1.1

2020-09-15 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 1:27 PM Tomas Mraz wrote: > > Hi Fedora developers, > > we need to introduce temporarily a compat package for OpenSSL as it is > going to be rebased to the 3.0 version in Rawhide once the 3.0 release > is stable. > > The 3.0 version should not break API from the 1.1.1, it

Re: Kubernetes Development SIG

2020-09-15 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 9:44 AM Leonardo Rossetti wrote: > > Hello all, > > I would like to present a Kubernetes Development SIG. > > I initially thought of an "operator SIG" but I think a wider SIG about > programming components and services with Kubernetes APIs and internal > components made

Re: F34 Change Proposal: Rust Crate Packages For Release Branches (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 2:34 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 10:10:30AM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Rust_Crate_Packages_For_Release_Branches > > > > == Summary == > > > > This Change proposal aims to enable shipping Rust

Re: F34 Change Proposal: Rust Crate Packages For Release Branches (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 10:11 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Rust_Crate_Packages_For_Release_Branches > > == Summary == > > This Change proposal aims to enable shipping Rust crate packages > (rust-$CRATE_NAME) on release branches of fedora. > Currently, they are

[EPEL-devel] Re: Proposing an EPEL packaging SIG

2020-09-11 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 3:10 PM Robbie Harwood wrote: > > Michel Alexandre Salim writes: > > > * Have an expedited flow where this SIG can request EPEL branches and > > admin access to packages if there are no response from package > > maintainers for a set period (3 days? 1 week?) > > *

Re: Proposing an EPEL packaging SIG

2020-09-11 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 3:10 PM Robbie Harwood wrote: > > Michel Alexandre Salim writes: > > > * Have an expedited flow where this SIG can request EPEL branches and > > admin access to packages if there are no response from package > > maintainers for a set period (3 days? 1 week?) > > *

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:34 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Thursday, September 10, 2020 1:36:18 AM MST alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 01:02 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A quick reminder that we're about to release with the system > > >

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 2:04 PM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:37:41PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:30 PM Daniel P. Berrangé > > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 04:03:46PM +0200, Petr Pisar wrote

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:30 PM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 04:03:46PM +0200, Petr Pisar wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 02:35:13PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:50:55PM +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > > > > > > > 4. The benefit we want

Re: F34 Change proposal: Remove support for SELinux runtime disable (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 7:33 AM Richard Hughes wrote: > > On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 10:17, Tom Hughes wrote: > > > Speaking from personal experience, I've wasted days over the last > > > decade trying to debug a locally installed system service that was not > > > working where there were no

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:09 AM Neal Becker wrote: > > I have tested kde/wayland on F32 but have hit a roadblock. We are all > working from home and need to share screens. Using google chrome, on X11 > when I > try to share an app window (which is my usual choice) there are no problems, >

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-08 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 12:57 PM Silvia Sánchez wrote: > > Yes, I don't see KDE Wayland sufficiently mature to actually work as a > default. It needs more work and testing. > > On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 18:33, Robert-André Mauchin wrote: >> >> Please no, KWin Wayland makes my system crash as soon

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-08 Thread Neal Gompa
fer the > > Wayland-based KDE Plasma Desktop session over the X11-based one. > > > > == Owner == > > * Name: [[User:Ngompa|Neal Gompa]], [[User:Rdieter|Rex Dieter]], > > [[User:Jgrulich|Jan Grulich]] > > * Email: ngomp...@gmail.com, rdie...@gmail.com, j

Re: BTRFS, relatime vs. noatime

2020-09-07 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 8:30 AM Kamil Paral wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 1:37 AM Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> But if you've got a snapshot once per day, times ten days, and this kind of >> aggressive search function touching every file? Maybe an extra 1-2G of >> metadata being pinned > > > I

Re: BTRFS, relatime vs. noatime

2020-09-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:30 AM Neal Becker wrote: > > > If BTRFS is to become fedora default, we should consider this? > > "BTRFS relatime vs. noatime - Huge Performance Difference - linux" >

Re: About the Future of Communishift

2020-09-04 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 7:10 AM clime wrote: > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 12:59, clime wrote: > > > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 12:48, Aoife Moloney wrote: > > > > > > Good Morning Everyone, > > > > > > I wanted to share with you some information regarding the current > > > state and future of

Re: Fedora Jam 33 Beta - Possible Blocker?

2020-09-02 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 2:23 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 02:52:25PM -0700, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > > This is just very disappointing [3]. Unless there is a huge delay in > > the beta timeline due to *actual* blockers, we've got no beta to > > test since this is 1-2 weeks

Re: Fedora 33 blocker status

2020-09-02 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 6:05 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > Dne 01. 09. 20 v 19:54 Tom Hughes via devel napsal(a): > > On 01/09/2020 18:29, kevin wrote: > > > >> Just to make sure folks know, the retrace server being down is not this > >> teams fault, it's ours (infrastructure). We planned to just

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 10:51 PM Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 10:21 PM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 7:14:35 AM MST Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 11:49 pm, John M. Harris Jr > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Michael, >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-08-30 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 8:15 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > > Fedora-Silverblue-ostree-x86_64-33-20200830.n.0.iso does not have nano > on the install media itself. Is it intentional? > It's supposed to be there, but I don't know how Silverblue is "defined" so it would be pulled in. I thought it'd get

Re: Fedora Jam 33 Beta - Possible Blocker?

2020-08-26 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:08 PM Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > > HI all, > > Since the release of Koji 1.22, there has been a bug [1] blocking any > Fedora Jam 33 or Rawhide iso images from being spun. As you can imagine, > this is making me quite nervous. As it turns out, I'm waiting for Koji > 1.22

Re: Python spec template violates guidelines?

2020-08-26 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 6:25 PM Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > > On Wed, 2020-08-26 at 15:16 -0700, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > > On Wed, 2020-08-26 at 20:23 +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > > > I don't really know who maintains `rpmdev-newspec python-foo` but > > > the > > > output > > >

Re: Python spec template violates guidelines?

2020-08-26 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 6:25 PM Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > > On Wed, 2020-08-26 at 15:16 -0700, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > > On Wed, 2020-08-26 at 20:23 +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > > > I don't really know who maintains `rpmdev-newspec python-foo` but > > > the > > > output > > >

Re: Release criteria proposal: networking requirements

2020-08-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:33 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 4:11 pm, Adam Williamson > wrote: > > Do NetworkManager and its current KDE and GNOME front ends support it > > currently? > > Rumor has it that KDE has this working! The rumor is true! WireGuard has been

Re: What is the real value of Release and %changelog metadata?

2020-08-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:26 PM kevin wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:57:34PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:54 PM Matthew Miller > > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:51:13AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > > >

Re: What is the real value of Release and %changelog metadata?

2020-08-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:54 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:51:13AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > > That makes it extra steps to see changelogs on a not-installed package. > > I do sometimes do "rpm -q --changelog -p foo.rpm" or "dnf changelog foo" > > (for example, to see

Re: Proposed Modular Policy for Fedora ELN

2020-08-24 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 10:17 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > We use fedora-obsolete-packages to remove packages from end-user systems. > Users can opt-out of installation of fedora-obsolete-packages and retain > packages that would be obsoleted [*]. > > The same mechanism could be used

Re: Suspicious downgrades when upgrading from F32 to F33: containers-common, fuse-overlayfs, strace, thunderbird

2020-08-24 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:52 AM Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 2:45 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:42 AM Fabio Valentini > > wrote: > > > > > [...] > > > - appliance-tools is newer in 32 tha

Re: Suspicious downgrades when upgrading from F32 to F33: containers-common, fuse-overlayfs, strace, thunderbird

2020-08-24 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:42 AM Fabio Valentini wrote: > [...] > - appliance-tools is newer in 32 than in 33: > 0:010.1-1.fc32 > 0:010.0-3.fc33 Something is wrong here, as Bodhi automatically submitted it yesterday to stable: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-1f6a9b16a4 --

Re: non-verbose %ctest

2020-08-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 4:55 PM Christoph Junghans wrote: > > Hi, > > The new %ctest macro generates so much output, it sometimes makes it > hard to find the actual failure. Especially with gtest, where you have > many tests in one executable and multiple executables run at the same > time.. > >

Re: fedora-review fails due to no annobin in mock

2020-08-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 5:15 AM Artur Iwicki wrote: > > Today I tried reviewing some Python packages: > - x-tile: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1861020 > - python-iptools: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1870907 > > And the mock build done by fedora-review failed. The

Re: Koji doesn't work due 'No space left on device'

2020-08-20 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 8:08 AM Zdenek Dohnal wrote: > > Hi all, > > Koji seems to be broken now. Builds/scratch builds fail with: > > Fault: : [Errno 28] No space left on device: > '/mnt/koji/work/tasks/6134/49706134'"> > > Links to build: > >

Re: Bumping library soname in F33?

2020-08-18 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 10:13 AM Richard Hughes wrote: > > Hi all, > > I maintain a library that's bumped soname upstream (libxmlb) that is > used just by gnome-software and fwupd in Fedora. Both users would just > need recompiling against the new ABI as they already have the right > #ifdefs in

Re: Debug doxygen generated files with different names in noarch package

2020-08-17 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 5:25 PM Richard Shaw wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 6:07 PM Rich Mattes wrote: >> >> I downloaded the i686-generated doc package, >> dir_dd208edd458824e9eaf902c6da16200d.html is the directory that contains >> zipios-config.h. That file is generated from a template by

Re: Strange build failures in rawhide buildroot (cont'd) - glibc 2.33 dev snapshot?

2020-08-15 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 11:30 AM Paul Howarth wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 16:28:47 +0200 > Fabio Valentini wrote: > > - autoreconf fails because %build needs a newer shell (protobuf): > > > > /usr/bin/autoconf: This script requires a shell more modern than all > > /usr/bin/autoconf: the

Re: Non-responsive maintainer check for bochecha

2020-08-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 6:03 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > Hi, > > I believe Mathieu is temporarily unavailable. If you don't hear back > soon, it makes sense to proceed with nonresponsive maintainer procedure > if you want to take over the buildstream package, or ask a > provenpackager to

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libreport

2020-08-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 11:12 AM Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 5:01 PM Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > > On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 16:37:28 +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > > > > > As a side note, the update now has arch specific BuildRequires, so the > > > > SRPM > > > > cannot

Re: EarlyOOM +ZRAM Only

2020-08-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 7:34 AM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 1:16:34 PM MST Przemek Klosowski via devel > wrote: > > On 8/12/20 2:27 PM, Sergio Belkin wrote: > > > > > Hi! > > > I 've just had a problem using EarlyOOM + ZRAM. I haven't a disk-based > > > swap

Re: Deprecation of Anaconda boot parameters without inst. prefix

2020-08-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 9:43 AM wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-08-13 at 09:22 -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 at 08:58, Fabio Valentini > > wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 2:16 PM wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > Anaconda team has decided to deprecate use

Re: Draft of New Python Packaging Guidelines - 0.2

2020-08-12 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 12:02 PM Petr Viktorin wrote: > > On 2020-08-12 17:22, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:19 AM Petr Viktorin wrote: > >> > >> On 2020-08-12 16:53, Neal Gompa wrote: > >>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 10:23 AM Petr Vikto

Re: Draft of New Python Packaging Guidelines - 0.2

2020-08-12 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:19 AM Petr Viktorin wrote: > > On 2020-08-12 16:53, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 10:23 AM Petr Viktorin wrote: > >> > >> I'll move some discussion here, where it doesn't become part of the > >> document: >

Re: Draft of New Python Packaging Guidelines - 0.2

2020-08-12 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 10:23 AM Petr Viktorin wrote: > > I'll move some discussion here, where it doesn't become part of the > document: > > > > > On 2020-08-11 14:19, Petr Viktorin wrote: > >> These Guidelines represent a major rewrite and paradigm shift, and not > >> all packages are updated

Re: Help needed to fix a FTBFS (shaderc)

2020-08-08 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 3:47 PM Robert-André Mauchin wrote: > > On Saturday, 8 August 2020 17:27:54 CEST you wrote: > > > > And so on. > > Tons of errors regarding undefined reference to glslang::. > > I don't know if this is due to a new Glslang or if something has been > > changed wrt the build

Re: Test machines for s390x?

2020-08-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 2:00 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-08-06 at 13:42 -0400, Robbie Harwood wrote: > > Elliott Sales de Andrade writes: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Now that ppc64 is gone, s390x is the only big-endian architecture > > > left. Bugs around endianness are not usually

Summary/Minutes from yesterday's FESCo Meeting (2020-08-05)

2020-08-06 Thread Neal Gompa
= #fedora-meeting-2: FESCO (2020-08-05) = Meeting started by King_InuYasha at 14:03:44 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-08-05/fesco.2020-08-05-14.03.log.html .

Re: %{_vpath_builddir} needs to be in the Cmake packaging guidelines

2020-08-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 7:12 AM Richard Shaw wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 5:35 AM Neal Gompa wrote: >> >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 6:20 AM Michal Schorm wrote: >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:54 PM Neal Gompa wrote: >> > > > On Tue, Aug 4

Re: %{_vpath_builddir} needs to be in the Cmake packaging guidelines

2020-08-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 6:43 AM Michal Schorm wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 12:35 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 6:20 AM Michal Schorm wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:54 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > &g

Re: What to do about FTBFS because auf cmake change?

2020-08-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 5:45 AM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > FYI, the easiest and most portable fix is to add: > -B. > (followed by a space or some other whitespace) before the . or .. (source > directory) argument. (That basically undoes the effects of this pointless > incompatible macro change.) >

Re: %{_vpath_builddir} needs to be in the Cmake packaging guidelines

2020-08-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 6:20 AM Michal Schorm wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:54 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:12 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > You are not supposed to use %__cmake_builddir. > > > > It is not documented, and ev

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2020-08-05)

2020-08-05 Thread Neal Gompa
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 14:00UTC in #fedora-meeting-2 on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2020-08-05 14:00 UTC' Links to all issues to

Re: What to do about FTBFS because auf cmake change?

2020-08-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:53 AM Lukáš Hrázký wrote: > > Hi Neal, all, > > On Tue, 2020-08-04 at 07:42 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 7:32 AM Till Hofmann > > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I have a number of packages th

Re: What to do about FTBFS because auf cmake change?

2020-08-04 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 1:40 PM José Abílio Matos wrote: > > On Tuesday, 4 August 2020 12.42.30 WEST Neal Gompa wrote: > > Then you should do the following: > > > > %undefine __cmake_in_source_build > > > > %cmake > > %cmake_build > > %cmake

Re: Switching package to fragmented default configuration

2020-08-04 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 1:28 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 05:11:49PM +0200, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: > > I'm considering to split the default configuration file in the chrony > > package to make it easier for vendors, products, and configuration > > tools to

Re: %{_vpath_builddir} needs to be in the Cmake packaging guidelines

2020-08-04 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:50 AM Michal Schorm wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:12 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 9:10 AM Richard Shaw wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 6:17 AM Michal Schorm wrote: > > >> > > >> Since this c

Re: What to do about FTBFS because auf cmake change?

2020-08-04 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 9:55 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 04. 08. 20 14:54, Peter Robinson wrote: > > What's the proper way to deal with a "make test" in %check, I've seen > > a few get confused still by that even when the %cmake bits earlier in > > the process pass, it seems there's not a

Re: %{_vpath_builddir} needs to be in the Cmake packaging guidelines

2020-08-04 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 9:10 AM Richard Shaw wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 6:17 AM Michal Schorm wrote: >> >> Since this change, all (subsequent) CMake commands (after "%cmake") >> MUST be used with the builddir argument ( "-B %{__cmake_builddir}" ). > > > Ok, I'll use that in the future, but

Re: What to do about FTBFS because auf cmake change?

2020-08-04 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 7:32 AM Till Hofmann wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have a number of packages that are FTBFS due to > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CMake_to_do_out-of-source_builds. > > None of my packages has seen any commits for that change. I've read on > the list that packages that

Re: %{_vpath_builddir} needs to be in the Cmake packaging guidelines

2020-08-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:45 PM Richard Shaw wrote: > > Sometimes you need to get into the build directory, in my case for > OpenColorIO I use help2man to generate some of the man pages. > > I had to rely on the power of Google/Gmail to find Neal's response to one of > my earlier emails to find

[EPEL-devel] Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CMake to do out-of-source builds

2020-08-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:08 PM Orion Poplawski wrote: > > On 7/7/20 12:09 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 1:57 PM Orion Poplawski wrote: > >> > >> On 6/15/20 1:47 PM, Ben Cotton wrote: > >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wik

Re: [EPEL-devel] Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CMake to do out-of-source builds

2020-08-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:08 PM Orion Poplawski wrote: > > On 7/7/20 12:09 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 1:57 PM Orion Poplawski wrote: > >> > >> On 6/15/20 1:47 PM, Ben Cotton wrote: > >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wik

Re: Fedora 33 Mass Rebuild

2020-08-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:04 PM Nicolas Chauvet wrote: > > Le lun. 3 août 2020 à 23:18, Neal Gompa a écrit : > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 3:59 PM Nicolas Chauvet wrote: > > > > > > Le lun. 3 août 2020 à 19:37, Neal Gompa a écrit : > > > &

Re: Fedora 33 Mass Rebuild

2020-08-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 4:22 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 03. 08. 20 22:19, Neal Gompa wrote: > > If you don't care whether it's in-source or out-of-source build, then > > you only need to concern yourself with %cmake, %cmake_build, and > > %cmake_install (for EPEL7, %cmak

Re: Fedora 33 Mass Rebuild

2020-08-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 4:21 PM Alexander Ploumistos wrote: > > Hi Neal, > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 8:37 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > CMake macros are documented in the packaging guidelines: > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/CMake/ >

Re: Fedora 33 Mass Rebuild

2020-08-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 3:59 PM Nicolas Chauvet wrote: > > Le lun. 3 août 2020 à 19:37, Neal Gompa a écrit : > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:32 PM Gary Buhrmaster > > wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 3:15 PM Richard Hughes wrote: > > &

Re: Fedora 33 Mass Rebuild

2020-08-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 3:32 PM Peter Robinson wrote: > > > > > Most of those are the libcroco->gettext breakage, no? > > > > > > From a very cursory scan (not at all scientific), > > > some percentage are the cmake macro changes. > > > > CMake macros are documented in the packaging guidelines: >

Re: Fedora 33 Mass Rebuild

2020-08-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:32 PM Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 3:15 PM Richard Hughes wrote: > > > Most of those are the libcroco->gettext breakage, no? > > From a very cursory scan (not at all scientific), > some percentage are the cmake macro changes. CMake macros are

Re: Why lxd is not included in Fedora?

2020-08-02 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 6:45 PM Sergio Belkin wrote: > > Hi! > Just out of curiosity, why is lxd not included in Fedora? > Thanks in advance! > No one has attempted to bring it into Fedora. -- 真実はいつも一つ!/ Always, there's only one truth! ___ devel

Re: We have to talk about annobin... again

2020-08-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 7:17 AM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Neal Gompa wrote: > > I think it does have value, however I think the Red Hat compiler team > > drastically underestimated how much breakage we're willing to tolerate > > for it. > > I think you mean "overes

Re: We have to talk about annobin... again

2020-07-31 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 6:02 AM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Mark Wielaard wrote: > > Although the sync issues are annoying I do think we, as developers of > > and developers on the Fedora platform benefit from having the annobin > > notes in the binaries. It is like making sure there is unwind > >

Fwd: [pypa/pip] New Resolver: Rollout, Feedback Loops and Development Flow (#6536)

2020-07-30 Thread Neal Gompa
-- Forwarded message - From: Sumana Harihareswara Date: Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [pypa/pip] New Resolver: Rollout, Feedback Loops and Development Flow (#6536) To: pypa/pip Cc: Neal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) , Comment < comm...@noreply.github.com> Per #8511

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-07-28 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:58 AM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:11:31 AM MST Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Mo, 27.07.20 09:20, Neal Gompa (ngomp...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > > > > That *is* what will happen. In this scenario, syst

Re: Btrfs by default status updates, 2020-07-26

2020-07-27 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 1:24 PM Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 18:00, Chris Murphy wrote: > [..] >> >> + btrfs driver is now built-in to the kernel, rather than as a module > > > Classic .. from frying pan to open fire. > > Why the heck dist kernel cannot be without ANY fs

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-07-27 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:07 AM Simo Sorce wrote: > > On Sun, 2020-07-26 at 21:06 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 6:15 pm, John M. Harris Jr > > wrote: > > > Please do not disable reading from /etc/resolv.conf. If you do so, > > > please > > > limit that to the Spins

Re: Fedora flatpaks on non-x86 architectures

2020-07-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 11:52 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 11:18:40AM +0800, Qiyu Yan wrote: > > John Doe 于2020年7月26日周日 上午10:47写道: > > > > > > > I don't have a machine of other than x86_64 so I can't test, but does > > > > this > > > > mean fedora's flatpak source is

Re: We have to talk about annobin... again

2020-07-25 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 11:25 AM Jeff Law wrote: > > On Sat, 2020-07-25 at 10:46 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 10:35 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > Hey all, > > > > > > So I was trying to update libseccomp last night, and I was able

We have to talk about annobin... again

2020-07-25 Thread Neal Gompa
Hey all, So I was trying to update libseccomp last night, and I was able to build it for everything except aarch64 on Rawhide because it says the compiler can't build executables[1]. Looking a bit closer, it looks like the compiler stack is out of sync again with annobin. Is there anything that

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-24 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:05 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 24. 07. 20 16:19, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > In this context, I'd be more than happy if the documentation discouraged > > use of the default streams. Something along these lines: "Modularity > > have default stream feature, but use it with

Re: Modularity Improvements Objective

2020-07-24 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:10 AM Mat Booth wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 13:26, Petr Pisar wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 01:44:07PM +0200, Daniel Mach wrote: > > > There's a Modularity Improvements Objective draft available[1]. > > > > > > The Objective summarizes the work that is

Re: Modularity Improvements Objective

2020-07-24 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:44 AM Daniel Mach wrote: > > Hello everyone, > There's a Modularity Improvements Objective draft available[1]. > > The Objective summarizes the work that is in progress already as well as > highlights our plans for Fedora 34. > > We're planning to fix the current

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:56 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 23. 07. 20 16:53, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 23. 07. 20 16:26, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > >> I like Neal's proposal of "Fedora ELN may use default streams at this > >> time, and default streams for ELN [...] are delegated to the ELN SIG

Re: F33 Change proposal: DXVK as default wined3d backend on VK capable hardware (Self-Contained Change)

2020-07-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:45 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DXVKwined3d > > == Summary == > Proposal to replace default wined3d backend with DXVK, A Vulkan-based > translation layer for Direct3D 9/10/11 which allows running 3D applications > on Linux using

Re: pagure pull-request email workflow

2020-07-22 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 9:19 AM Tom Hughes via devel wrote: > > On 22/07/2020 13:19, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > > As you say, the web api is even more resourceful and we can integrate > > some of those requests into the library: https://pagure.io/api/ > > > > The only thing that is not very nice

Re: cmake-3.18.0-2.fc33 (or 3.18.0-1.fc33.1) in rawhide is broken!

2020-07-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 9:51 AM Kamil Dudka wrote: > > On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 3:41:02 PM CEST Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 9:04 AM Kamil Dudka wrote: > > > On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 12:39:55 PM CEST Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > That's odd,

Re: cmake-3.18.0-2.fc33 (or 3.18.0-1.fc33.1) in rawhide is broken!

2020-07-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 9:04 AM Kamil Dudka wrote: > > On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 12:39:55 PM CEST Neal Gompa wrote: > > That's odd, it shouldn't work, > > I believe it does. > > > since -B wasn't introduced until CMake 3.13... > > You only need working -B option t

Re: cmake-3.18.0-2.fc33 (or 3.18.0-1.fc33.1) in rawhide is broken!

2020-07-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 3:32 AM Kamil Dudka wrote: > > On Monday, July 20, 2020 9:23:46 PM CEST Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > On Monday, 20 July 2020 at 20:46, Kamil Dudka wrote: > > > > > On Monday, July 20, 2020 8:35:37 PM CEST Neal Gompa wrote: > >

Re: cmake-3.18.0-2.fc33 (or 3.18.0-1.fc33.1) in rawhide is broken!

2020-07-20 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 3:44 PM Kaleb Keithley wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 1:48 PM Neal Gompa wrote: >> >> >> >> Your spec file is a complete mess, so I have not yet touched it to fix it. > > > Not _my_ spec file. Is this another episode of whingi

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CMake to do out-of-source builds

2020-07-20 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 3:32 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > On Wednesday, 08 July 2020 at 15:19, Igor Raits wrote: > > On Wed, 2020-07-08 at 14:13 +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > > On 07.07.2020 19:57, Orion Poplawski wrote: > > > > What's the plan for EPEL8/7

Re: cmake-3.18.0-2.fc33 (or 3.18.0-1.fc33.1) in rawhide is broken!

2020-07-20 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 2:31 PM Kamil Dudka wrote: > > On Monday, July 20, 2020 7:37:25 PM CEST Neal Gompa wrote: > > This is because ceph is not adapted yet for > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CMake_to_do_out-of-source_builds > > Yes, this change broke a lot

Re: cmake-3.18.0-2.fc33 (or 3.18.0-1.fc33.1) in rawhide is broken!

2020-07-20 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 1:29 PM Kaleb Keithley wrote: > > > On 2020-07-17 I built ceph-15.2.4-5 (and ceph-15.2.4-6 --target=f33-java11) > with cmake-3.18.0-1.fc33 and the build(s) were successful. > > Today, with cmake-3.18.0-2.fc33 (which I guess is a respin of cmake- > 3.18.0-1.fc33.1, a.k.a.

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