Re: docker-compose & selinux
On 10/28/2016 02:58 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > What AVC's are you seeing? Plenty of AVC messages in the form: type=AVC msg=audit(1477853452.023:1338): avc: denied { setattr } for pid=23456 comm="chown" name="app_model.MYD" dev="dm-0" ino=10879938 scontext=system_u:system_r:container_t:s0:c140,c877 tcontext=system_u:object_r:container_var_lib_t:s0 tclass=file permissive=0 Where app_model is a specific database table. So by plenty I mean I get one AVC for each database table of my application (for .MYD|.MYI|.frm) Or similarly: sudo docker-compose logs db db_1 | chown: changing ownership of `/var/lib/mysql/project/app_name.MYD': Permission denied ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
docker-compose & selinux
I use docker-compose extensively for local development. On F24 all I had to do to make it play well with selinux was something like this: sudo chcon -Rt svirt_sandbox_file_t project_folder After updating to F25 this doesn't work anymore. Did something changed on selinux policies (besides that label been renamed to container_file_t) or I should file a bug? Specifically I cannot start a mariadb container with compose. On a related note, I opened a bug on our developer portal, since it lacks any mention on SELinux https://github.com/developer-portal/content/issues/163 ~nikos signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Orphaning git-cola
On 05/05/2016 07:23 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Hi, > > I am hereby orphaning the git-cola package. (I will be pushing the buttons > in pkgdb right after sending this message.) I simply do not have the time to > keep up with the upstream releases of this package anymore. (It is already 3 > releases behind.) I can take this. I use it daily and it's an essential part of my workflow. ~nikos -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: GPG2 as default /usr/bin/gpg
On February 17, 2016 6:04:04 PM GMT+02:00, Richard Hugheswrote: >On 17 February 2016 at 15:51, Tomas Mraz wrote: >> The problem is that now the keystores are incompatible and it creates >> big confusion to the users when they see some key in gnupg-1 and do >not >> see it in gnupg-2 and the other way around. > >If it helps, I lost about 2 hours the other day trying to work out why >my keys were not visible when imported using gpgme. I'd be 100% behind >the change to switch to gpg2 if it saves just one other person 2 hours >of confusion Same here. But all upstream documentation explicitly mentions gpg2. A change like this would probably make other people spend 2 hours of searching the "right" binary. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: FedRTC.org SIP and XMPP service - help needed
On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Daniel Pocockwrote: Fedora Talk was based on Asterisk. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Asterisk Asterisk has lots of great features (voicemail, queues, etc) but it is mainly for voice, it emphasizes SIP and at the time it was also quite bad with IPv6, TLS and NAT. FedRTC.org is based on a SIP proxy, not Asterisk. SIP proxies (and XMPP servers) tend to have a much bigger emphasis on connectivity and they also tend to have less features, so they are easier to support. The repro SIP proxy has exceptionally good TLS and IPv6 support. Asterisk is not really optimized for federation but federation is quite easy with a SIP proxy because of the emphasis on connectivity. One thing that is not clear to me from the website, is it just for 1:1 calls or can be used for video calls with more than two participants? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Quick Review Request (owncloud-client)
Hi, I'd appreciate a quick* review on owncloud-client, so we can push the new version: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202805 (*) It's an existing package that got renamed upstream, so it should fairly easy to be reviewed. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Firefox addon signing
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 6:30 AM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: I'm sure those that need to know, know, but for those that haven't heard[1] Mozilla's official Firefox build will enforce addons to contain a Mozilla signature without any runtime option to disable the check. Initially this prevents Fedora packaged addons since they are unsigned. The Mozilla signing process takes time and can't be part of a package building process. Is Fedora going to get authorization to build Firefox with a runtime disable option? If the only way is to completely disable this feature, I'd prefer we don't. I wouldn't like for us to ship a less secure build of Firefox. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: firefox/vimeo
On 01/13/2015 03:38 PM, Martin Stransky wrote: Please file a bug for that at bugzilla.redhat.com Thanks for looking into this. I opened the bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1181719 On 01/12/2015 08:59 PM, Nikos Roussos wrote: I noticed that I'm unable to watch Vimeo videos with Firefox without Flash plugin. Same is not true if I use the Firefox build from upstream. Do we disable something on our build that may be responsible for such behavior? Anyone else has the same problem? I even enabled h264 codec (although I know that this is just for WebRTC), but nothing changed. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
firefox/vimeo
I noticed that I'm unable to watch Vimeo videos with Firefox without Flash plugin. Same is not true if I use the Firefox build from upstream. Do we disable something on our build that may be responsible for such behavior? Anyone else has the same problem? I even enabled h264 codec (although I know that this is just for WebRTC), but nothing changed. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F21 downloads repository metadata in 3 places!
Upon doing a yum upgrade, but rejecting the actual upgrade: [root@localhost cache]# du -sh * 94M dnf 446M PackageKit 137M yum Is it considered safe to uninstall yum on F21 and keep only dnf for cli package management? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Firefox webrtc support in F21?
On 12/15/2014 10:14 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: There's also a good page about it: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenH264 If h264 is not mandatory for Hello to operate, we could enable it by default by changing the loop:throttled option. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
Speaking of F21 downloads, how is that the fedoraproject.org redirects to getfedora.org? Is this something permanent? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Is ARM productized?
Having some hard time to discover the ARM F21 image at the new website. Is the link somewhere and I completely missed it? I found the ARM images directly from the ftp http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/21/Images/armhfp/ But as a general question is ARM productized? Would it make sense to have Workstation or Server images for ARM? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora
On 11/23/2014 06:50 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 4:17 AM, Nikos Roussos comzer...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On 11/18/2014 08:24 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Nikos Roussos comzer...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On 11/16/2014 08:24 PM, Christopher wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Mustafa Muhammad mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com mailto:mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com wrote: This doesn't seem relevant to this discussion, unless Fedora browsers are automatically, and without the user's explicit knowledge or permission, navigating to Google's search engine, which (AFAICT) they are not. Same happens with these tiles. No data is sent back to Mozilla unless you *choose* to click one of the promoted tiles. Even if not sent to Mozilla, it's accessible to the advertisers. I could spend a long time explaining the various means, that web advertisers track their users, ranging from crafting URL's and metadata about the particular requests to 'web bugs', those little one pixel transparent gifs so ubiquitous on the plethora of ad.doublelick.net websites with fake names used to collect the data. The tiles are coming from Mozilla. So yes please explain how the advertisers can track me through them if I don't click them. Much depends on what's in the tile. For example an embedded 1 pixel transparent gif, commonly known as a web bug, and loaded from a third party web repository such as one of the many misleading aliases for ad.doubleclick.net, is one of the favorites. Another is crafting the URL used by the displayed advertising page to contain metadata about the browsing client. Unless the tiles are vetted by, hosted by, and have their content reviewed and manually sanitized by someone both paranoid and content over at Mozilla, it's safe to assume there is tracking information embedded in the tiles. The tracking information has become ubiquitous in far too much web content, especially in paid advertising content. I'm afraid it's not reasonable to assume that just because Mozilla is providing the hooks to publish web ads that those web ads do not, themselves, collect and use personal user data, especially the client IP and browsing history. You don't have to assume. Firefox is open source so you can just check the code before spreading FUD. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora
On 11/19/2014 12:34 AM, Lars Seipel wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:15:33AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: No, actually we don't. We promote websites because we honestly think they're useful, not because we're paid to do so. That's irrelevant. Paid or not, promoting websites through tiles or gnome-shell is the same form of advertisement. I disagree. Think about it: imagine I told you as a friend how I was at some pub yesterday and enthusiastically rave about how it was totally awesome and that you should go there, too. Now, in the one case I told you this because I'm honestly convinced that it would be fun for you to go there and that you'd like it. In the other case I did it because the owner paid me for it. Really no difference? I don't think so. From Fedora perspective there is no difference. What if an upstream doesn't have public financial records. How we would we know if it gets paid for promoting 3rd parties? Investigate? This is paranoid and ridiculous. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora
I'm talking about the advertisement part. Some people seem to be bothered by this alone. Tiles feature indeed promotes some websites, but we already do that. No, actually we don't. We promote websites because we honestly think they're useful, not because we're paid to do so. That's irrelevant. Paid or not, promoting websites through tiles or gnome-shell is the same form of advertisement. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Enable tapping by default
On 11/18/2014 11:29 AM, Les Howell wrote: On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 15:50 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: Things are not black and white there is a disable touchpad while typing option which would solve your problem while not making the impression that something is broken like it is now. Possibly, but there is also the risk of accidentally tapping when you only want to move the pointer but your finger happens to tremble a little. (That's not about Parkinson's disease. Even to perfectly healthy people it's difficult to hold absolutely still.) Does anyone care to present some evidence showing that this works well for people in general? Note that I'm not against changing this default. I'm against changing it based on nothing but a baseless belief that it won't bother people. Björn Persson I have dry fingers... All the time. Tap to click drives me insane, as well as some of the socalled gesture enhancements. Capacitive screens also go nuts because dry fingers generate more static electricity and many devices simply do not have sufficient hysterysis to manage to differentiate close to touch, or static from real contact. You don't have to convince anyone that tapping is annoying :) I also find it annoying and disable it. The question is what should be the default for Workstation's target audience. It's not easy to answer, because we don't have any metrics. So we just assume what most users would expect from their touchpad. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora
On 11/18/2014 02:55 PM, Benjamin Kreuter wrote: On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 11:15 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: I'm talking about the advertisement part. Some people seem to be bothered by this alone. Tiles feature indeed promotes some websites, but we already do that. No, actually we don't. We promote websites because we honestly think they're useful, not because we're paid to do so. That's irrelevant. Paid or not, promoting websites through tiles or gnome-shell is the same form of advertisement. Money is not irrelevant. Paid advertising is how we wound up with pop-ups, hover ads, etc. The question is whether or not we can trust Mozilla to steer clear of such things. So far there seems to be no reason to trust Mozilla -- the ads are opt-out, they only sometimes respect DNT, and they are being pushed despite the backlash from Mozilla's community. This is a moral judgment, so it's irrelevant for making a policy decision (from Fedora's point of view). Money or not, we need a consistent policy on advertisements for all upstream. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora
On November 18, 2014 7:08:47 PM EET, Benjamin Kreuter ben.kreu...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: This is a moral judgment, so it's irrelevant for making a policy decision (from Fedora's point of view). Money or not, we need a consistent policy on advertisements for all upstream. How about an opt-in requirement? Yes, that would make more sense. But I didn't opt-in to see commercial websites on gnome-shell either (and I can't even opt-out). -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora
On 11/18/2014 07:21 PM, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Nikos Roussos comzer...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On November 18, 2014 7:08:47 PM EET, Benjamin Kreuter ben.kreu...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: This is a moral judgment, so it's irrelevant for making a policy decision (from Fedora's point of view). Money or not, we need a consistent policy on advertisements for all upstream. How about an opt-in requirement? Yes, that would make more sense. But I didn't opt-in to see commercial websites on gnome-shell either (and I can't even opt-out). You can disable the search provider in Settings - Search I'll have to completely disable Software as search provider, which I don't want to do. Unless I'm missing something. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Enable tapping by default
On 11/18/2014 11:09 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jiri Eischmann wrote: If you're talking about Workstation, then you should probably propose it to their working group on the desktop mailing list. The working groups are supposed to do such decisions now. If you're talking about one of other spins (KDE, Xfce,...), then you should go to the respective SIG. I disagree with that. It's a decision made at the driver level, it does not make sense to override that per desktop environment. It's a UX thing, so the Workstation WG seems like the best place to decide this (at least for Gnome). signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora
This doesn't seem relevant to this discussion, unless Fedora browsers are automatically, and without the user's explicit knowledge or permission, navigating to Google's search engine, which (AFAICT) they are not. Same happens with these tiles. No data is sent back to Mozilla unless you *choose* to click one of the promoted tiles. First, that's not quite true. Firefox does a call home first, where Mozilla will then determine your location from your IP (and possibly other data presented to them in the future), in order to present you with ads. As I understand it, it will do this the first time you open a new tab, before you even navigate to any site (such as about:config). I don't consider my IP address a call to home. Every website you visit records your IP, so it's hardly sensitive data. Even Gnome checks my IP's location to fix my timezone. Second, a user can easily accidentally click on ad, since it is mixed among other tiles, with the user's browsing habits. And a user may accidentally start searching on the Google search box before she realizes that she sends data to Google as she types (that's how you get recommendations). Again, this thing we discuss is already happening on Gnome Shell. Type twitter on your Gnome's search box. And I don't think there is a way currently to disable this. So please get your facts straight before start suggesting we change default browser. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora
On 11/17/2014 11:47 AM, Mathieu Bridon wrote: On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 11:37 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: I don't consider my IP address a call to home. [...] Even Gnome checks my IP's location to fix my timezone. Not by default, you have to enable this explicitly. True, as you also have to explicitly click a tile to send data to Mozilla. But the main point here was that your IP (the only thing Firefox gets before you click anything) is not sensitive data. Second, a user can easily accidentally click on ad, since it is mixed among other tiles, with the user's browsing habits. And a user may accidentally start searching on the Google search box before she realizes that she sends data to Google as she types (that's how you get recommendations). Indeed, this is in Firefox though, which is the application people are saying they'd like to change, so it stops doing that without explicit user opt-in. No. We are talking about the tiles. I didn't see anyone suggesting we remove Google search. It's like the tiles feature crossed a line, which is far from truth. Again, this thing we discuss is already happening on Gnome Shell. Type twitter on your Gnome's search box. I'm pretty confident that no network query is done when you search for that, and that instead GNOME Software searches in its local metadata cache. I'm talking about the advertisement part. Some people seem to be bothered by this alone. Tiles feature indeed promotes some websites, but we already do that. All examples you have given of such opt-out network calls are either in Firefox or incorrect. So maybe there is a need to change something in the Firefox default configuration after all? :) I'm not much in favor of that, since that's the way this open source project gets revenues, but that could be indeed a first step. And I don't think we'll have any problems with the branding. But changing default browser is a totally different discussion. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Enable tapping by default
On 11/17/2014 01:49 PM, Björn Persson wrote: Mustafa Muhammad mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click by tapping is off by default. Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but tapping is useful for us (people who use it), I don't think it bothers the others that much, and is on by default in most operating systems and Linux distributions. What can we do to make this happen? Perhaps demonstrate that it won't cause the rest of us to click on random things by accident, instead of just thinking so? Although I also never user 'tap to click' I think most users expect this to work by default. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora
On 11/16/2014 08:24 PM, Christopher wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Mustafa Muhammad mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com mailto:mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Lars Seipel lars.sei...@gmail.com mailto:lars.sei...@gmail.com wrote: So Mozilla has recently gone live with its advertisement tiles on the New Tab page. Only newly created profiles get to see this stuff. On a pristine F21 install using Gnome, when first launching Firefox, users are presented with a number of tiles, depending on screen size. One of those is a so-called sponsored tile chosen from a range of available advertisements (e.g. for booking.com http://booking.com, there's also one for the Snowden movie), apparently depending on geographical location. When this feature got originally announced[1], there was a discussion on -devel if this kind of stuff is really appropriate for Fedora. Some time later Mozilla seemed to have canceled the feature, quoting That’s not going to happen. That’s not who we are at Mozilla. as one of the reasons[2]. Apparently, they (again) reconsidered, pushing the feature to nightlies a few months ago. Well, it now hit the stable branch and, therefore, Fedora. This is how Mozilla pitches the feature to advertisers[3]: To support ad personalization, Mozilla created an internal data system that aggregates user information while stripping out personally identifiable information. Mozilla can track impressions, clicks, and the number of ads a user hides or pins. Its advertising partners are also privy to that data. Personally, I don't think that showing advertisements on the free software desktop is appropriate. Our users are supposed to be able to fully trust our software. That's one of our most-often touted strenghts. I don't think the ability to track impressions, clicks, and the number of ads a user hides or pins is something that is compatible with that, regardless of this data being tied to personally identifiable information or not. Firefox's behaviour is probably nothing extraordinary on the other platforms Mozilla is targeting. Compared to the prevalent attitude of proprietary vendors, especially on mobile, it doesn't sound that bad anymore. I don't think that's a suitable scale for Fedora, though. From a user perspective, it's not that hard to disable the feature. Upon first seeing that page a tooltip is shown to hint at the possibility. Users can choose between three modes, Enhanced, Classic and Blank. Contrary to what is stated in the Mozilla kb[4], the only one that actually disables the ads is Blank, which is equal to setting the new tab page to about:blank. What does the community think of it? Is it okay for our flagship applications to carry ads and report tracking data? [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/advancingcontent/2014/02/11/publisher-transformation-with-users-at-the-center/ [2] https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2014/05/09/new-tab-experiments/ [3] http://www.adexchanger.com/online-advertising/mozilla-finally-releases-its-browser-ad-product-hints-at-programmatic-in-2015/ [4] https://support.mozilla.org/de/kb/how-do-tiles-work-firefox#w_enhanced-tiles -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org mailto:devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct The ads are not intrusive, they don't collect personally identifiable data, and can be disabled with a selection from a button on the start page! See: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2848017/how-to-get-rid-of-firefoxs-new-ads-on-the-new-tab-page.html I think the best way is to ship Firefox as is, if somebody doesn't want to help the open source project generating some revenue using these ads, he can disable them. The framing of the concerns expressed here as people not wanting to contribute back and help an open source project with revenue (through this mechanism or otherwise), does not reflect the concerns raised. The concerns raised are that the default configuration is an opt-out vs. opt-in model of Firefox issuing network calls back to Mozilla's servers, and Fedora's user base expects opt-in for these sorts of things. It's not about not being willing to help the project out... it's about not being able to vet that method of helping out prior to it taking place. When you use Google search engine in any browser, it is collecting more data than this feature in
Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora
What does the community think of it? Is it okay for our flagship applications to carry ads and report tracking data? If I search 'twitter' on Gnome Shell I'm prompted with twitter.com. So whatever decision we make for ads let's make sure we are consistent. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora
On November 15, 2014 5:51:28 PM EET, Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: On Sat, 2014-11-15 at 15:06 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: IMHO, we should consider dropping Firefox from Fedora entirely Showing ads does not make Firefox nonfree. The only reason we should completely remove Firefox from Fedora is if it starts shipping nonfree or patent-encumbered code -- like the Cisco binary that just recently got removed, or that EME module from Adobe that they're planning to include -- in such a way that is difficult or impossible to strip out. There is no EME module. There is EME, which is what Firefox will ship (and it's of course open source) and the CDM module, which will be user's choice to install it or not (like Adobe Flash today). -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Orphaning Packages / Looking for Maintainers
On 09/27/2014 07:13 PM, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: * python-oauth I can take this signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: future contributions and package updates jmarrero
Hi Joseph, On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 22:22 -0400, Joseph Marrero wrote: Hello, My FAS is : jmarrero I can not update any of my packages for the time being, will know If I can continue contributing in about a month. I can pass the ownership to who ever wants to maintain the packages I currently own or we can share ownerships if I can still contributing. But will not know my status until august 1st is my best guess. The packages I maintain are: Fedora: I would be glad to co-maintain these two: mirall owncloud-csync signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations
On Mon, 2014-04-21 at 08:36 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: The language in this Foundation is sometimes dangerously unclear. For example, it pretty much explicitly forbids the use of non-free components in the creation of Fedora (sorry, folks: you can't use Photoshop to create your package icon!). At the same time, we regularly allow the packaging of software that can interoperate with non-free software; we allow Pidgin and other IM clients to talk to Google and AOL, we allow email clients to connect to Microsoft Exchange, etc. The real problem is that every time a question comes up against the Freedom Foundation, Fedora contributors diverge into two armed camps: the hard-liners who believe that Fedora should never under any circumstances work (interoperate) with proprietary services and the the folks who believe that such a hard-line approach is a path to irrelevance. There is also a third group, somewhere in between, who believe that's ok to ship Free Software that connects and interops with proprietary services (gtalk, aws, etc), but it's not ok to ship proprietary software, metadata about proprietary software or advertise proprietary services through our main UI tools. You should also keep in mind that Functional is very subjective and I don't see how it can walk through such debates. People will still align the Functional foundation to align with their point of view ;) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations
On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 06:46 -0400, Christian Schaller wrote: - Original Message - From: Nikos Roussos comzer...@fedoraproject.org There is also a third group, somewhere in between, who believe that's ok to ship Free Software that connects and interops with proprietary services (gtalk, aws, etc), but it's not ok to ship proprietary software, metadata about proprietary software or advertise proprietary services through our main UI tools. You should also keep in mind that Functional is very subjective and I don't see how it can walk through such debates. People will still align the Functional foundation to align with their point of view ;) So this group believes it is ok to ship an open source twitter client in Fedora as long as the client doesn't know how to connect to twitter or has any metadata mentioning it can be used to connect to twitter? ;) With metadata about proprietary software I mean metadata used to *install* proprietary software. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 15:28 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mer 12 février 2014 17:20, Nikos Roussos a écrit : The New Tab feature will provide quick access to popular sites in the users location, without any collection of personal data (except of course from checking the location of his IP). At lease this is the current design by Mozilla. And that opens the door to tracking hell. How is that? I don't the feature either but it has nothing to do with tracking. https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2014/02/13/content-ads-caution/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)
On February 13, 2014 6:04:01 PM EET, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 03:36:00PM +0100, Kai Engert wrote: Question (2) Is the Fedora community willing to accept Mozilla's desire to show advertisements in Firefox? Sub-question (2b): Why do we care about using the Firefox trademark? We should just rename the package. Debian do that and it hasn't hurt them. It makes the software more free because we don't have to beg someone to be able to make changes. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Fedora Windows cross-compiler. Compile Windows programs, test, and build Windows installers. Over 100 libraries supported. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MinGW -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Because people will keep looking for Firefox at the Software app. I don't think we have to change the name if we just turn off a feature. Same way we alter the default homepage all these years. -- ~nikos -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 10:23 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 16:47:38 +0200, Nikos Roussos comzer...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 15:28 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mer 12 février 2014 17:20, Nikos Roussos a écrit : The New Tab feature will provide quick access to popular sites in the users location, without any collection of personal data (except of course from checking the location of his IP). At lease this is the current design by Mozilla. And that opens the door to tracking hell. How is that? I don't the feature either but it has nothing to do with tracking. The fact that the package is calling home (whether or not the location of the IP is checked), is a form of tracking. Particularly since firefox updates are being handled by Fedora and there is no need for our version to be calling home to check for updates. *If* it calls home. If this is a predefined list bundled with firefox there is no reason to call home. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 17:39 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Jeu 13 février 2014 15:47, Nikos Roussos a écrit : On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 15:28 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mer 12 février 2014 17:20, Nikos Roussos a écrit : The New Tab feature will provide quick access to popular sites in the users location, without any collection of personal data (except of course from checking the location of his IP). At lease this is the current design by Mozilla. And that opens the door to tracking hell. How is that? I don't the feature either but it has nothing to do with tracking. As soon as you start doing ad selection based on any processing of the user context (location, past history, whatever) you are in data mining, privacy invasion and tracker land. As long as you start browsing and create browsing history you'll never see these promotions again. You assume things that Mozilla explicitly says that this feature won't do. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:47 +0100, Petr Viktorin wrote: On 02/12/2014 04:31 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: Are we allowed to ship software in Fedora that dynamically loads advertisements from the web and shows them to users? I think allowed is probably the wrong term to use here. Fedora packaging rules on what is allowed to be included have pretty much focused on legality of packages. ie licensing, trademarks, patents, etc. The question of whether advertisements are allowed is starting to venture into the grounds of philosophy. There's probably also a privacy question to answer here too. To me though, those aren't criteria for forbidding software from Fedora entirely, but are relevant when choosing whether a piece of software is set as the default option installed for users. Yeah, I agree. This is not about being allowed to, but the question is whether we want to. And for that, the question probably is: it depends. I can't imagine having very obnoxious and prominents advertisements in the flagship applications that we install by default. But an application that is otherwise useful to our users should probably not be banned from the package universe just because it downloads an ad. If that ad enables tracking users, or is obnoxious in any way, the software should be modified to not include the ad. The New Tab feature will provide quick access to popular sites in the users location, without any collection of personal data (except of course from checking the location of his IP). At lease this is the current design by Mozilla. https://twitter.com/clarkbw/status/43066514198528 ~nikos signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:58 +0100, H. Guémar wrote: My *personal* opinion is that we should disable this kind of feature by default. On a side note, why not disable also Google as the default searchbox engine and replace it with a non-profit one? (I'm not stating my opinion here, just trying to figure which is our overall attitude against promoted default brands on software we deliver to users.) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 10:32 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 18:25:48 +0200, Nikos Roussos comzer...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:58 +0100, H. Guémar wrote: My *personal* opinion is that we should disable this kind of feature by default. On a side note, why not disable also Google as the default searchbox engine and replace it with a non-profit one? (I'm not stating my opinion here, just trying to figure which is our overall attitude against promoted default brands on software we deliver to users.) I think the difference is that google search isn't used until you actually do a search. So you can not use it fairly easily. Connecting to web pages before you get a chance to disable that feature is a privacy problem unless those web pages are local copies. You don't connect to these pages. You just see their logos. I don't know yet if that would be a local copy or not. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes
Thorsten Leemhuis fed...@leemhuis.info wrote: On 25.01.2014 17:35, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2014-01-25 at 11:20 +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: Debian, who has a similar stance on non-free Software, does a way better job in that area than Fedora does. Well, not really - they don't have a 'similar stance', they have an official non-free repository. That's kind of a significant difference. :) Ha, Debian and Fedora, the distributions, are imo not that different after a standard install (but yes, there are differences as well - patents strategy, Firmware). But yes, you are right, the Debian project has a a official non-free repository, which is a significant difference to the Fedora project. One that leads to a better user experience; something that afics a lot of Fedora users and some Fedoraproject developers want to see as well. Let's avoid personal examples. I also know many users and Fedora contributors that respect Fedora's foundations and would probably leave Fedora if these were to change. That's why I think it would be good if the the Fedora project might help/guide in that are, even if the resulting repo and the main work is done outside of the Fedora project. I agree with guidance. I don't think anyone would object to help them, so that *they* can ship their software for Fedora in a more UX friendly way. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: The official way to upgrade F18 to F19
Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: On 05/29/2013 08:48 AM, Dario Lesca wrote: What is the official way to upgrade F18 to F19 (for now beta)? I would do some test.. Thanks http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp#How_Can_I_Upgrade_My_System_with_FedUp.3F Is there any plan currently for a GUI frontend for FedUp? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop
On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 14:53 +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: The Gnome 3 interface is substantially different that the traditional desktop interfaces on both Linux and Windows. At least for Windows 8, neither Cinnamon is close to its desktop interface. While it is good that there is research into new user interface concepts, many users prefer to have a traditional interface that they are accustomed to. Unfortunately it is difficult or impossible to assess what fraction of the user base prefers Gnome Shell vs. a more traditional interface. Exactly. There is no way to know that. So I see no real reason to change our default desktop. Even if we consider Gnome 3 as a research (which I don't), Fedora is known to adopt innovative technologies. -- Nikos Roussos comzeradd @ freenode.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop
On Mon, 2013-01-28 at 00:10 -0800, Dan Mashal wrote: On Monday, January 28, 2013, Nikos Roussos wrote: On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 14:53 +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: The Gnome 3 interface is substantially different that the traditional desktop interfaces on both Linux and Windows. At least for Windows 8, neither Cinnamon is close to its desktop interface. While it is good that there is research into new user interface concepts, many users prefer to have a traditional interface that they are accustomed to. Unfortunately it is difficult or impossible to assess what fraction of the user base prefers Gnome Shell vs. a more traditional interface. Exactly. There is no way to know that. So I see no real reason to change our default desktop. Even if we consider Gnome 3 as a research (which I don't), Fedora is known to adopt innovative technologies. -- Nikos Roussos comzeradd @ freenode.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Innovative. Innovative or deevolutionary, boring, or just plain annoying? They can all be used in different ways. What you might consider innovative a lot of people consider annoying. True. Or others might consider it productive. Same goes for all Desktop environments. That's why I said that I see no real argument here for changing our default desktop. -- Nikos Roussos comzeradd @ freenode.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Fosdem Cross-Distro devroom
Just an update about Fosdem. The dealing for talk submissions at the Cross Distro Devroom got extended until the end of the year [1]. I have already submitted a talk [2], but I think it's the only Fedora related. So anyone interested on doing a presentation, now it's the time to propose it :) [1] https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/distributions/2012-December/000169.html [2] https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/distributions/2012-December/000160.html -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: forked library
On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 20:16 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 09:07:34PM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: Hi, I maintain IDJC [1], which depends on libshout. The latest version though depends on libshout-idjc a fork of the original library, since the idjc upstream developer wanted some extra functionality on libshout and didn't want to wait for libshout upstream to adopt his changes. I've read the relevant documentation [2] but I'm not sure what's the best way to proceed. The good thing that he doesn't bundle his version of libshout, but instead he has made it a separate release [3], which could also be packaged for Fedora. But a fork is a fork. Should I just make a request for exception and package the forked library or should the package be orphaned? [1] https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/idjc [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:No_Bundled_Libraries [3] http://sourceforge.net/projects/idjc/files/ How likely is it that the changes would go back into libshout? Is the maintainer of IDJC pushing them? Is the libshout maintainer interested in them? After discussing it with the developer it seems that some of his changes include support for non-free codecs (eg. AAC). So the best solution I can think of is to orphan the package and then move it along with libshout-idjc to RPMFusion. -- Nikos Roussos comzeradd @ freenode.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))
Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote: Simon Lukasik isim...@fedoraproject.org writes: Currently, each Fedora release is kept alive for 13(+/-) months. There were dozens of threads about shortening or prolonging period -- but I am not sure if something like the following has been ever discussed: Each N-th Fedora release -- where N%3==1 -- is alive for 7 months. Each N-th Fedora release -- where N%3==2 -- is alive for 7 months. Each N-th Fedora release -- where N%3==0 -- is alive for 19 months. Additionally, maintainers might be encouraged to push their system wide changes into N%3==1. As well as they might be encouraged to make the Fedora N%3==0 their best bread. Wouldn't that just encourage 99% of average users to ignore the short-lived releases? It would sure be a damn tempting approach for me. (Personally, all I want out of Fedora is a stable platform to get my work done on, and the less often I have to reinstall, the better.) 99% is an overestimation. Personally I would prefer to update every 6 months just to have all the latest stuff, but if I support an organization with many Fedora installations I would choose the N%3==0 release, which would provide me only security updates after 7 months. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))
On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 13:22 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: I disagree with that. Fedora releases had some small regression introduced via updates from time but is is *very* usable as a stable operating system. I disagree. It's usable by the kind of people who use Fedora. Who like shiny cutting-edge stuff and don't mind dealing with wonkiness constantly. I mind. So do many Fedora users and contributors, who want a shiny *stable* leading edge (not bleeding edge) linux distribution. I wouldn't dream of putting any regular person on a Fedora install, quite frankly. It's easy to get into a perspective bubble where Fedora looks normal, but it isn't. It is not a stable general-purpose operating system and it's absurd to represent it as such. I understand that regular users are not Fedora's main target, but it is a general-purpose operating system in the sense that it can be used by people who want to have a stable working environment with all the latest things from the Open Source world. In that sense, and from my point of view, if we had to rethink our release model and dedicate time and energy on a new approach, it would make more sense to have an extended support release (providing only security updates after 13 months) which is vital for the enterprise desktop market. Of course this is not in contradiction with having a rolling release model alongside, but I didn't know if we have enough human capacity to do them both. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 09:37 -0200, Henrique Junior wrote: The guys behind openSUSE created a good approach with Tumbleweed. By adding this repo users can opt-in to the (semi)rolling model. Tumbleweed is more like a pool where updated, stable, non disruptive software can be installed and I was able to talk to the guy who created Tumbleweed some time ago. He said that it is easy to maintain and takes only a few minutes a day to check things. It is difficult, for example, to understand why we have to wait until the next release to have LibreOffice 3.6, since this seems an non disruptive update that could bring major improvements in the productivity of users who rely on office suites to work. I don't think that *adding* tracks is an approach that is going to solve any of our problems, though it might add convenience for a small set of users. We need to be making things simpler, not more complex. :) And in many cases it's simpler to have security updates for an LTS Fedora version than upgrading X workstations every 6 or 12 months. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Any progress in Software Center in Fedora effort?
On Mon, 2012-10-08 at 16:49 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 10/08/2012 10:49 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: Reindl Harald píše v Ne 07. 10. 2012 v 20:02 +0200: Am 07.10.2012 19:55, schrieb drago01: Maybe maybe not. The point is that a fancy software shop would result into this old mother type of user consider to use fedora. A user ultimately don't care about packages but about applications. Other distritors are moving in this direction while we fall behind. We should lead here like we do in other areas. why do we need to lead everywehre for every price? It will be nice if more people uses Fedora, but it not the main target, the greatness of Fedora is not measured but how many user it have, compared to other Linuxes or other os'es. Well without users (and growth) it will become irrelevant and thus it will become harder to achieve anything else. nobody says without users but do we really need every noob as user? Why does some of us imply it's about noobs? Because hardly any of the non-noobs misses this Software Center and because non-noobs know that the term apps is an Apple/Google marketing hype? User experience is important for everyone. Not just noobs. And currently Fedora is certainly not first when it comes on Applications installation user experience. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Any progress in Software Center in Fedora effort?
drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: A user ultimately don't care about packages but about applications. Other distritors are moving in this direction while we fall behind. We should lead here like we do in other areas. +1 I still haven't understand what it takes to get this started. Besides of course from having some people dedicating some time on that. Convincing infrastructure team is the first step? Does this need to get through FESCO first? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Packages in need of new maintainers
I would also like to take this one: skyviewer -- Program to display HEALPix-based skymaps in FITS files (but just the Fedora branches) FAS: comzeradd -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Packages in need of new maintainers
Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@nist.gov wrote: On 10/03/2012 02:23 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: As a result of FESCO ticket 952*, Lubomir Rintel's 200+ packages are in need of new maintainers. Under normal circumstances we'd simply orphan them all, but given the large number we want to handle this in a more orderly fashion. Please reply to the list with any requests for ownership changes, and I'll complete them on a first-come, first-served basis Could you do an updated list of packages that are still looking for owners? I would sign up for sdcc. My FAS username is przemekklosowski You can check the list here: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/users/packages/lkundrak?acls=owner -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Packages in need of new maintainers
On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 13:23 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: Please reply to the list with any requests for ownership changes, and I'll complete them on a first-come, first-served basis. I can take this: openclipart -- Open Clip Art Library fas: comzeradd -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: twolame - legal
On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 09:47 -0400, Tom Callaway wrote: On 08/16/2012 05:27 AM, Nikos Roussos wrote: I happened to notice that twolame is currently on rpmfusion. Is there a legal reason for that? twolame is an MP2 (MPEG-1 Audio Layer II) encoder (not mp3), which seems to be a free (as free of patents) codec. There was a similar discussion on Debian and they concluded that it's ok to have it on the official repos. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=419597 Unfortunately, yes, this is legally blocked in Fedora at this time. Yes, I assumed so. I'm mostly asking why, because it seems that there is no patent infringement issue with twolame. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
twolame - legal
I happened to notice that twolame is currently on rpmfusion. Is there a legal reason for that? twolame is an MP2 (MPEG-1 Audio Layer II) encoder (not mp3), which seems to be a free (as free of patents) codec. There was a similar discussion on Debian and they concluded that it's ok to have it on the official repos. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=419597 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How can we make F17 be able to boot on Macs (with or without reFit)
Some feedback from a succefull installation of F17 TC4 on a Macbook Air 13 (Model number A1369). Unfortunately the TC5 didn't boot. For TC4 we had to change label grub option to LIVE in order to boot. Is this a typo? Anaconda worked just fine and installation was completed succefully. Only thing didn't work as expected is that grub overwrited OsX bootloader but didn't create an OsX menu entry. We manually had to add a chainloader menu entry for /usr/share/standalone/i386/boot.efi Other than that everything seems to work great. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: GPT
On Apr 23, 2012 1:12 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Apr 22, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Nikos Roussos wrote: I already have a GPT partition (from my previous installation), but Anaconda complains that my boot partition should be of type msdos. The only way to proceed seems to be discarding all partitions and creating an msdos partition table. Well that's kinda unfortunate behavior. I think the blacklist should cause just Use All Space to force a new or existing GPT to be MBR. But really, I've advocated the exact opposite you are, which is I think BIOS hardware with disks 2TB should default to MBR, not GPT. There's minimal advantage, and more trouble. However, if you're really committed to GPT, convert the MBR to GPT using gdisk after the fact. I suggest custom partitioning to reserve 1MB unallocated. Post install, gdisk to add a BIOS Boot partition, gdisk type code 0xEF02. Then when you reinstall GRUB2, it will automatically stuff core.img in it. Well.. considering that I have no special reason to want GPT, I guess it's easier to go with the Msdos partition table. It's just that it surprises me that there is no obvious way to override the default Anaconda behaviour within the installation DVD, since my laptop supports GPT. My previous installation, where GPT worked just fine, was done with F16 Beta, so maybe at the time Lenovos were not blacklisted yet. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
GPT
I just tried to do a fresh installation with the F17 Beta Installation DVD (x86_64). On the partitions stage I chose to use all space, discarding all preexisting partitions, but it creates an msdos partition table instead of gpt. Is something changed on the default anaconda configuration since F16? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: GPT
On Apr 22, 2012 6:35 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:17 AM, Nikos Roussos wrote: I just tried to do a fresh installation with the F17 Beta Installation DVD (x86_64). On the partitions stage I chose to use all space, discarding all preexisting partitions, but it creates an msdos partition table instead of gpt. Is something changed on the default anaconda configuration since F16? What hardware do you have? It may be gpt blacklisted. I can't reproduce your results, even starting out with a disk that's MBR using All Space flips it to GPT. It's a lenovo thinkpad (edge). I remember a bug about some thinkpad models having problem with gpt, but it would seem to me as an extreme action if all lenovo models were blacklisted. Gpt was working just fine on F16 on the same hardware. I'm wondering if there is a grub option to force gpt for anaconda. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: GPT
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Nikos Roussos wrote: It's a lenovo thinkpad (edge). I remember a bug about some thinkpad models having problem with gpt, but it would seem to me as an extreme action if all lenovo models were blacklisted. Gpt was working just fine on F16 on the same hardware. I'm going to guess that it's easier to blacklist a make, than individual models. I'm wondering if there is a grub option to force gpt for anaconda. But there should be an easy way to override it. One way to opt in is to use parted or gdisk to make a GPT without a partition, then tell Anaconda to use the Use Free Space installation type. Actually, only the Use All Space causes a change in partition scheme, so you could also make a single partition GPT disk with parted or gdisk, and also use the Replace Existing Linux System option. I already have a GPT partition (from my previous installation), but Anaconda complains that my boot partition should be of type msdos. The only way to proceed seems to be discarding all partitions and creating an msdos partition table. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: /usr/share/applications weird error on koji
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/19/2012 02:32 PM, Nikos Roussos wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.comwrote: On 03/19/2012 12:50 PM, Nikos Roussos wrote: Hi, I'm trying to build a package. It's an update on SparkleSharehttps://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/sparklesharepackage. I build it locally with mock and everything seems ok. Package is built successfully. But when I try to build it on koji I get an error and build fails on both f16 f17 targets: The databases in [/usr/share/applications] could not be updated. which I think has something to do with the desktop-file-validate on %install phase See the relevant koji task and build log for more: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3908835 Any help appreciated -- Nikos Roussos http://autoverse.net From the log, it looks like it fails in 'install-data-hook'. If so, the culprit might be some Makefile.am. Have upstream updated a Makefile.am to include 'desktop-file-install', failing when not making a real install int /usr? If this is right, you should be able to verify that the %install hasn't really begun when the error is triggered. If unsure, put some simple 'echo' statement in top of %install to verify that it hasn't been started. If this doesn't help, scanning the generated Makefiles for 'desktop-file-install' and/or '/usr/share/applications' might give a clue Actually there is an: install-data-hook: update-desktop-database $(datadir)/applications which seems to be the exact point that installation fails You must patch that, it will try to update /usr/share/applications when building the rpm which of course isn't acceptable. For Fedora, you could just remove the target and run automake; autoconf; ./configure, given that you run update-desktop-database as part of %install. However, this should really be resolved together with upstream. If they want to keep the functionality, one could possibly: - Move it from install-data-hook to a separate target such as 'install-desktop' and let users run this as part of installation into system dirs. - Only run update-desktop-database if $(datadir)/applications is writeable: Personally, I would prefer the first one. To mess with /usr/share/applications when DESTDIR is set is not really the way 'make install' is supposed to work. And updating $(DESTDIR)/$(datadir)/applications just doesn't make sense. But I'm just a newbie, maybe someone else has a better piece of advice here? I wrote a small patch to comment out this line and it worked just fine. I'll file a bug upstream. Thanks for the help. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
/usr/share/applications weird error on koji
Hi, I'm trying to build a package. It's an update on SparkleSharehttps://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/sparklesharepackage. I build it locally with mock and everything seems ok. Package is built successfully. But when I try to build it on koji I get an error and build fails on both f16 f17 targets: The databases in [/usr/share/applications] could not be updated. which I think has something to do with the desktop-file-validate on %install phase See the relevant koji task and build log for more: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3908835 Any help appreciated -- Nikos Roussos http://autoverse.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Torvalds:requiring root password for mundane things is moronic
Here is a weird example of how Fedora currenty handles some permission procedures. I created a standard user account (no admin rights) and I'm trying to install a package. When I press apply I'm prompted to enter a password. Since I have no admin rights I would expect to be asked for the root password. Instead of that I'm asked to enter a password of another user who happens to be in the administrative group! See the screenshot as a proof: http://s.autoverse.net/yYi6AF See on the top right corner that I'm logged in with another account. So in the UX level we have actually disabled the root account (I can remember when was the last time I was prompted to enter it) thus we keep asking for a root password during installation that's ends up confusing people about its purpose. PS. an interesting question: if I had two users on my system belonging to the administrative group. which one's password I'll be prompted to enter when I'm logged with a standard user account, like the example above. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Torvalds:requiring root password for mundane things is moronic
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Chris Evich cev...@redhat.com wrote: On 02/29/2012 07:46 AM, Mark Bidewell wrote: On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Emanuel Rietveldcodehot...@gmail.com** wrote: On 02/29/2012 01:15 PM, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Neal Beckerndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: I think he's got a point http://www.osnews.com/story/25659/Torvalds_requiring_root_http://www.osnews.com/story/**25659/Torvalds_requiring_root_** password_for_mundane_things_is_quot_moronic_quot_http://** www.osnews.com/story/25659/**Torvalds_requiring_root_** password_for_mundane_things_**is_quot_moronic_quot_http://www.osnews.com/story/25659/Torvalds_requiring_root_password_for_mundane_things_is_quot_moronic_quot_ Yeah but last time we tried this in fedora it got flamefested so we had to revert. Perhaps a solution is adding a group with the needed permissions and make it really easy to add an account to that group. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/develhtt** ps://admin.fedoraproject.org/**mailman/listinfo/develhttps://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel +1 to this. Many tasks should not require full root permissions to execute. Having a set of groups centered around tasks (install printers, install software, etc.) would definitely make this simpler. This method would also be arguably be more secure than sudo as processes don't run with root permission therefore root privileged cannot be gained by exploiting a program. Another situation where having a group based security would be nice is access to privileged ports. Try running JBoss as a non-root user on port 80. Another +1 to the groups idea. It would enable a simple convenience feature as well: When prompting a user for the root password to do something the first time, include a check-box to add the user to the proper group behind-the-scene (with a warning that user needs to logout/login for change to be effective). Maybe also include a simple management program to enable/disable/display allowed functionality for specific users based on descriptions (i.e. instead of group name - which may be meaningless to a n00b). Kind of like how android permissions look, but with more of a management focus. Why not add by default the first user created (right after installation finishes) to administrative group and disable the root account? From my experience (and the feedback I get from users that reach to me as an Ambassador) most users fail to understand why they asked twice for passwords during installation and they tend to use the same on both root and first user password. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Review Swap
Hi Pavel, Ok :-) On Feb 5, 2012 8:16 PM, Pavel Alexeev fo...@hubbitus.com.ru wrote: Hello, Nikos. I'm ready swap to httpd-itk package - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=598860 04.02.2012 00:42, Nikos Roussos wrote: I'd like a review about sparkleshare package: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787293 Does somebody like to swap reviews? Thanks in advance -- Nikos Roussos about http://autoverse.net/ -- With best wishes, Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus). For fast contact with me use jabber: hubbi...@jabber.ru -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Review Swap
I'd like a review about sparkleshare package: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787293 Does somebody like to swap reviews? Thanks in advance -- Nikos Roussos about http://autoverse.net/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: review swap: chromaprint - Library implementing the AcoustID fingerprinting
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Ismael Olea ism...@olea.org wrote: Looking for a swap reviewer I think it's a non complex review https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=755066 Spec URL: http://olea.org/tmp/chromaprint-rpms/chromaprint.spec SRPM URL: http://olea.org/tmp/chromaprint-rpms/chromaprint-0.5-2.fc15.src.rpm I can do it. Here is mine for review: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=754698 -- Nikos Roussos about http://autoverse.net/ | linkedinhttp://gr.linkedin.com/in/comzeradd -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel