Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-09 Thread nickysn
On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 11:17 -0700, stan via devel wrote: > On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 18:07:39 +0300 > nick...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Yes, that's why "secure boot" should only be an option and the user > > must have the option to turn it off. Otherwise, it wouldn't be > > possible to do any kernel

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-09 Thread nickysn
On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 07:46 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Thursday, July 9, 2020 3:38:54 AM MST Richard Hughes wrote: > > On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 22:19, John M. Harris Jr < > > joh...@splentity.com> > > wrote: > > > This is not something that's beneficial here, it's only > > > harming our

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-09 Thread nickysn
On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 07:38 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Thursday, July 9, 2020 12:26:27 AM MST Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 02:17:53PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 10:04:01 AM MST Richard Hughes wrote: > > > > > > > On

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-06 Thread nickysn
On Mon, 2020-07-06 at 14:51 +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > Hi, > > > My real problem with grub2 is not that it's complex, but the fact > > that > > it exposes its complexities to the user. > > The config file syntax is a mess indeed. The fact that you need a > config generator tool in the

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-06 Thread nickysn
On Mon, 2020-07-06 at 13:31 +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > Hi, > > > > btw, sd-boot has a few tricks up its sleeve: if during boot you > > > keep > > > "w" pressed down it will automatically boot into windows, similar > > > if > > > you keep "l" pressed down it will automaticall boot into linux,

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-05 Thread nickysn
On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 11:50 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Sunday, July 5, 2020 11:31:41 AM MST Solomon Peachy wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 05, 2020 at 10:20:01AM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > Chromebook devices are neither UEFI nor BIOS. You can use GPT > > > disk layout > > > while still

Re: Self Introduction: Nikolay Nikolov

2020-07-05 Thread nickysn
On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 07:09 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 8:48 PM wrote: > > Hello, > > > > My name is Nikolay Nikolov. I'm a software developer and free/open > > source enthusiast. I've been using Linux since Red Hat Linux 5.0. > > After > > Red Hat Linux 9, I upgraded to

Self Introduction: Nikolay Nikolov

2020-07-04 Thread nickysn
Hello, My name is Nikolay Nikolov. I'm a software developer and free/open source enthusiast. I've been using Linux since Red Hat Linux 5.0. After Red Hat Linux 9, I upgraded to Fedora Core 1 and I've used every Fedora version since then. :) I'm a core developer of the Free Pascal Compiler (

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-04 Thread nickysn
On Sat, 2020-07-04 at 09:44 -0400, Solomon Peachy wrote: > On Sat, Jul 04, 2020 at 01:24:46PM -, ziba wrote: > > Fedora should absolutely CONTINUE supporting BIOS boot (sometimes > > wrongly > > labeled "legacy BIOS"). > > Yep, Fedora should continue supporting BIOS boot at least for the >

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-02 Thread nickysn
On Thu, 2020-07-02 at 08:24 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 7/2/20 3:16 AM, nick...@gmail.com wrote: > > Note that, even though Microsoft is pushing for UEFI on new systems > > in > > the OEM version of Windows, they still support booting in legacy > > BIOS > > mode in the latest Windows 10

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-02 Thread nickysn
On Wed, 2020-07-01 at 21:14 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Solomon Peachy writes: > > > Even putting that aside, for the past several years CSM/BIOS has > > been > > slowly bitrotting due to a lack of real testing, as the last few > > Windows > > releases have mandated use of UEFI for

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread nickysn
On Wed, 2020-07-01 at 16:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > On 1.7.2020 16:10, Solomon Peachy wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > > > I'm currently using BIOS, grub, grub2 basically everywhere, even > > > on > > > fresh new machines, > > This won't be

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread nickysn
On Wed, 2020-07-01 at 16:30 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mi, 01.07.20 14:45, Hans de Goede (hdego...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > I'm not in the bootloader-team, but I do work very closely with > > them, > > so I have only one question: who is going to pick up the extra > > maintenance load

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-06-30 Thread nickysn
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 21:55 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > On 30.6.2020 21:14, nick...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 20:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > > Grub discourages users who have tried sd-boot from > > > coming/returning > > > to > > > Fedora [1]. > > > > > >

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-06-30 Thread nickysn
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 20:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > > Grub discourages users who have tried sd-boot from coming/returning > to > Fedora [1]. > > Bottom line I think this will be a good move for the distribution and > a > good time to start looking into and make that move. > >

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-06-30 Thread nickysn
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 13:34 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream > changes > it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop supporting > booting in legacy bios mode and move to uefi only supported boot > which > has been