Re: Bodhi should recommend using yum-security's --advisory switch to test testing updates
On Sun, 2012-09-23 at 17:06 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Hi, in its Bugzilla comments for the bugs related to: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-14137 Bodhi suggested to upgrade using the following monster command: su -c 'yum update --enablerepo=updates-testing kde-workspace-4.9.1-5.fc17 akonadi-1.8.0-1.fc17 analitza-4.9.1-1.fc17 ark-4.9.1-1.fc17 audiocd-kio-4.9.1-1.fc17 blinken-4.9.1-1.fc17 calligra-2.5.2-1.fc17 calligra-l10n-2.5.2-1.fc17 cantor-4.9.1-1.fc17 digikam-2.9.0-1.fc17 dragon-4.9.1-1.fc17 filelight-4.9.1-1.fc17 gwenview-4.9.1-1.fc17 jovie-4.9.1-1.fc17 juk-4.9.1-1.fc17 kaccessible-4.9.1-1.fc17 kactivities-4.9.1-1.fc17 kalgebra-4.9.1-1.fc17 kalzium-4.9.1-1.fc17 kamera-4.9.1-1.fc17 kamoso-2.0.2-5.fc17 kanagram-4.9.1-1.fc17 kate-4.9.1-1.fc17 kbruch-4.9.1-1.fc17 kcalc-4.9.1-1.fc17 kcharselect-4.9.1-1.fc17 kcolorchooser-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdeaccessibility-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdeadmin-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdeartwork-4.9.1-1.fc17 kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdebindings-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdeedu-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdegraphics-mobipocket-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdegraphics-thumbnailers-4.9.1-1.fc17 kde-l10n-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdelibs3-3.5.10-38.fc17 kdemultimedia-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdenetwork-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdepim-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdepim-runtime-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdeplasma-addons-4.9.1-1.fc17 kde-printer-applet-4.9.1-1.fc17 kde-runtime-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdesdk-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdetoys-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdeutils-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdevelop-4.3.1-2.fc17 kde-wallpapers-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdf-4.9.1-1.fc17 kfloppy-4.9.1-1.fc17 kgamma-4.9.1-1.fc17 kgeography-4.9.1-1.fc17 kgpg-4.9.1-1.fc17 khangman-4.9.1-1.fc17 kig-4.9.1-1.fc17 kimono-4.9.1-1.fc17 kiten-4.9.1-1.fc17 klettres-4.9.1-1.fc17 kmag-4.9.1-1.fc17 kmix-4.9.1-1.fc17 kmousetool-4.9.1-1.fc17 kmouth-4.9.1-1.fc17 kmplot-4.9.1-1.fc17 kolourpaint-4.9.1-1.fc17 konsole-4.9.1-1.fc17 kphotoalbum-4.2-4.fc17 kremotecontrol-4.9.1-1.fc17 kross-interpreters-4.9.1-1.fc17 kruler-4.9.1-1.fc17 ksaneplugin-4.9.1-1.fc17 kscd-4.9.1-1.fc17 ksnapshot-4.9.1-1.fc17 kstars-4.9.1-1.fc17 ktimer-4.9.1-1.fc17 ktorrent-4.3.0-1.fc17 ktouch-4.9.1-1.fc17 kturtle-4.9.1-1.fc17 kwallet-4.9.1-1.fc17 kwebkitpart-1.3-0.1.20120726git.fc17 kwordquiz-4.9.1-1.fc17 libkcddb-4.9.1-1.fc17 libkcompactdisc-4.9.1-1.fc17 libkdcraw-4.9.1-1.fc17 libkdeedu-4.9.1-1.fc17 libkexiv2-4.9.1-1.fc17 libkgapi-0.4.2-1.fc17 libkipi-4.9.1-1.fc17 libkolab-0.3.1-3.fc17 libkolabxml-0.8.1-2.fc17 libksane-4.9.1-1.fc17 libktorrent-1.3.0-1.fc17 marble-4.9.1-1.fc17 nepomuk-core-4.9.1-1.fc17 okular-4.9.1-1.fc17 oxygen-icon-theme-4.9.1-1.fc17 pairs-4.9.1-1.fc17 parley-4.9.1-1.fc17 pykde4-4.9.1-1.fc17 qtcurve-kde4-1.8.14-1.fc17 qwt-5.2.2-6.fc17 qyoto-4.9.1-1.fc17 rocs-4.9.1-1.fc17 ruby-korundum-4.9.1-1.fc17 ruby-qt-4.9.1-1.fc17 smokegen-4.9.1-1.fc17 smokekde-4.9.1-1.fc17 smokeqt-4.9.1-1.fc17 soprano-2.8.0-4.fc17 step-4.9.1-1.fc17 superkaramba-4.9.1-1.fc17 svgpart-4.9.1-1.fc17 sweeper-4.9.1-1.fc17 kde-baseapps-4.9.1-2.fc17 plasma-mobile-0.3-6.20120810git.fc17 share-like-connect-0.2-4.fc17 kdelibs-4.9.1-4.fc17 kdepimlibs-4.9.1-3.fc17' This is broken in several ways: 1. It is too long. It does not even fit into a Bugzilla line. 2. It does not take subpackages into account. Bodhi only knows about source packages, but to be sure you upgrade everything, you have to list all the binary packages including subpackages. (Things are often held in lockstep through versioned Requires, but not always. There isn't always a dependency relation in either direction between main package and subpackages.) 3. If the user did not have some of the packages in the group installed, explicitly listing them installs them, which is usually not what the user wants. 4. It probably won't cope very well with updates being edited. Either Bodhi has to spam another giganto-command, or it doesn't spam another giganto-command and the posted command will no longer work. Thankfully, there is a much more effective way to pull in a given testing update: yum install yum-security yum --enablerepo=updates-testing --advisory=FEDORA-2012-14137 update While strictly-speaking yum-security is intended only for security updates, it works just fine for any other kind of updates as well. So can we please use it to make Bodhi's suggestions more helpful? Big +1. Actually, since this seems like rather useful functionality, perhaps it should be pulled into core yum? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Bodhi should recommend using yum-security's --advisory switch to test testing updates
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Caterpillar wrote: Il 23/09/2012 17:06, Kevin Kofler ha scritto: yum --enablerepo=updates-testing --advisory=FEDORA-2012-14137 update I strongly agree with Kevin How easy/involved will it be to make bugzilla transform bodhi's message into an URL that, when clicked in a browser, will trigger PackageKit to do this advisory update? I guess some more advanced communication between bodhi and bugzilla, and creation of a mime-type that PackageKit will understand. Orcan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Bodhi should recommend using yum-security's --advisory switch to test testing updates
Hi, in its Bugzilla comments for the bugs related to: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-14137 Bodhi suggested to upgrade using the following monster command: su -c 'yum update --enablerepo=updates-testing kde-workspace-4.9.1-5.fc17 akonadi-1.8.0-1.fc17 analitza-4.9.1-1.fc17 ark-4.9.1-1.fc17 audiocd-kio-4.9.1-1.fc17 blinken-4.9.1-1.fc17 calligra-2.5.2-1.fc17 calligra-l10n-2.5.2-1.fc17 cantor-4.9.1-1.fc17 digikam-2.9.0-1.fc17 dragon-4.9.1-1.fc17 filelight-4.9.1-1.fc17 gwenview-4.9.1-1.fc17 jovie-4.9.1-1.fc17 juk-4.9.1-1.fc17 kaccessible-4.9.1-1.fc17 kactivities-4.9.1-1.fc17 kalgebra-4.9.1-1.fc17 kalzium-4.9.1-1.fc17 kamera-4.9.1-1.fc17 kamoso-2.0.2-5.fc17 kanagram-4.9.1-1.fc17 kate-4.9.1-1.fc17 kbruch-4.9.1-1.fc17 kcalc-4.9.1-1.fc17 kcharselect-4.9.1-1.fc17 kcolorchooser-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdeaccessibility-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdeadmin-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdeartwork-4.9.1-1.fc17 kde-base-artwork-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdebindings-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdeedu-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdegraphics-mobipocket-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdegraphics-thumbnailers-4.9.1-1.fc17 kde-l10n-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdelibs3-3.5.10-38.fc17 kdemultimedia-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdenetwork-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdepim-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdepim-runtime-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdeplasma-addons-4.9.1-1.fc17 kde-printer-applet-4.9.1-1.fc17 kde-runtime-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdesdk-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdetoys-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdeutils-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdevelop-4.3.1-2.fc17 kde-wallpapers-4.9.1-1.fc17 kdf-4.9.1-1.fc17 kfloppy-4.9.1-1.fc17 kgamma-4.9.1-1.fc17 kgeography-4.9.1-1.fc17 kgpg-4.9.1-1.fc17 khangman-4.9.1-1.fc17 kig-4.9.1-1.fc17 kimono-4.9.1-1.fc17 kiten-4.9.1-1.fc17 klettres-4.9.1-1.fc17 kmag-4.9.1-1.fc17 kmix-4.9.1-1.fc17 kmousetool-4.9.1-1.fc17 kmouth-4.9.1-1.fc17 kmplot-4.9.1-1.fc17 kolourpaint-4.9.1-1.fc17 konsole-4.9.1-1.fc17 kphotoalbum-4.2-4.fc17 kremotecontrol-4.9.1-1.fc17 kross-interpreters-4.9.1-1.fc17 kruler-4.9.1-1.fc17 ksaneplugin-4.9.1-1.fc17 kscd-4.9.1-1.fc17 ksnapshot-4.9.1-1.fc17 kstars-4.9.1-1.fc17 ktimer-4.9.1-1.fc17 ktorrent-4.3.0-1.fc17 ktouch-4.9.1-1.fc17 kturtle-4.9.1-1.fc17 kwallet-4.9.1-1.fc17 kwebkitpart-1.3-0.1.20120726git.fc17 kwordquiz-4.9.1-1.fc17 libkcddb-4.9.1-1.fc17 libkcompactdisc-4.9.1-1.fc17 libkdcraw-4.9.1-1.fc17 libkdeedu-4.9.1-1.fc17 libkexiv2-4.9.1-1.fc17 libkgapi-0.4.2-1.fc17 libkipi-4.9.1-1.fc17 libkolab-0.3.1-3.fc17 libkolabxml-0.8.1-2.fc17 libksane-4.9.1-1.fc17 libktorrent-1.3.0-1.fc17 marble-4.9.1-1.fc17 nepomuk-core-4.9.1-1.fc17 okular-4.9.1-1.fc17 oxygen-icon-theme-4.9.1-1.fc17 pairs-4.9.1-1.fc17 parley-4.9.1-1.fc17 pykde4-4.9.1-1.fc17 qtcurve-kde4-1.8.14-1.fc17 qwt-5.2.2-6.fc17 qyoto-4.9.1-1.fc17 rocs-4.9.1-1.fc17 ruby-korundum-4.9.1-1.fc17 ruby-qt-4.9.1-1.fc17 smokegen-4.9.1-1.fc17 smokekde-4.9.1-1.fc17 smokeqt-4.9.1-1.fc17 soprano-2.8.0-4.fc17 step-4.9.1-1.fc17 superkaramba-4.9.1-1.fc17 svgpart-4.9.1-1.fc17 sweeper-4.9.1-1.fc17 kde-baseapps-4.9.1-2.fc17 plasma-mobile-0.3-6.20120810git.fc17 share-like-connect-0.2-4.fc17 kdelibs-4.9.1-4.fc17 kdepimlibs-4.9.1-3.fc17' This is broken in several ways: 1. It is too long. It does not even fit into a Bugzilla line. 2. It does not take subpackages into account. Bodhi only knows about source packages, but to be sure you upgrade everything, you have to list all the binary packages including subpackages. (Things are often held in lockstep through versioned Requires, but not always. There isn't always a dependency relation in either direction between main package and subpackages.) 3. If the user did not have some of the packages in the group installed, explicitly listing them installs them, which is usually not what the user wants. Thankfully, there is a much more effective way to pull in a given testing update: yum install yum-security yum --enablerepo=updates-testing --advisory=FEDORA-2012-14137 update While strictly-speaking yum-security is intended only for security updates, it works just fine for any other kind of updates as well. So can we please use it to make Bodhi's suggestions more helpful? Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Bodhi should recommend using yum-security's --advisory switch to test testing updates
Il 23/09/2012 17:06, Kevin Kofler ha scritto: yum --enablerepo=updates-testing --advisory=FEDORA-2012-14137 update I strongly agree with Kevin -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Bodhi should recommend using yum-security's --advisory switch to test testing updates
I wrote: 3. If the user did not have some of the packages in the group installed, explicitly listing them installs them, which is usually not what the user wants. Oops, sorry, I just tested this, I was wrong about that one. But that in turn means that if the user had only subpackages installed, those will NOT be upgraded by the command Bodhi suggested (which only lists the main packages) even if there are versioned Requires between the main package and the subpackage(s). (That can be fixed by using install instead of update, but then you're left with the problem from my original point 3.) Using the --advisory switch solves this problem nicely. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Bodhi should recommend using yum-security's --advisory switch to test testing updates
On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 17:33:56 +0200 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: I wrote: 3. If the user did not have some of the packages in the group installed, explicitly listing them installs them, which is usually not what the user wants. Oops, sorry, I just tested this, I was wrong about that one. But that in turn means that if the user had only subpackages installed, those will NOT be upgraded by the command Bodhi suggested (which only lists the main packages) even if there are versioned Requires between the main package and the subpackage(s). (That can be fixed by using install instead of update, but then you're left with the problem from my original point 3.) Using the --advisory switch solves this problem nicely. Sounds nice... Could you file a bodhi ticket on this? https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/newticket Thanks, kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Bodhi should recommend using yum-security's --advisory switch to test testing updates
Kevin Fenzi wrote: Sounds nice... Could you file a bodhi ticket on this? https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/newticket Filed: https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/695 Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
