Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Improved GRUB menu
On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 11:13:06AM +0100, Javier Martinez Canillas wrote: > Hello Zbyszek, > > Thanks a lot for your feedback. > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:33 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 05:40:30AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 05:29:51AM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > Improve the GRUB menu by only having the default boot option for each > > > > installed operating system in the main menu, and the other options > > > > into a sub-menu. This would better organize the boot options and lead > > > > to an easier and seamless boot experience. > > > > > > +1. I often see new users asking "why are there multiple Fedora > > > choices?", or > > > "which kernel should I use?" > > > > The Change page does not make it clear: is it possible to opt out of the > > change, i.e. keep the current menu structure after grub2-mkconfig has run? > > > > Yes, the Change page isn't clear. What I was thinking was to have a > GRUB_ENABLE_SIMPLE_MENU option in /etc/default/grub that would control > how the /etc/grub.d/* snippets would generate the grub menu. So users > can opt-in by setting it to true and re-running grub2-mkconfig again. > Conversely, users may opt-out by removing GRUB_ENABLE_SIMPLE_MENU from > /etc/default/grub (or not setting it to true) and running > grub2-mkconfig again. It's not possible to opt-out after > grub2-mkconfig as run since that it's what generates the grub2.cfg > that will contain the menu entries. But it's possible to re-generate > the grub2.cfg file. > > I also think that Anaconda should only set > GRUB_ENABLE_SIMPLE_MENU=true for Workstation, like we do with the GRUB > menu auto hide feature. I'll update the Changes page to reflect this. Thanks, that sounds good. Zbyszek ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Improved GRUB menu
Hello Zbyszek, Thanks a lot for your feedback. On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:33 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 05:40:30AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 05:29:51AM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > Improve the GRUB menu by only having the default boot option for each > > > installed operating system in the main menu, and the other options > > > into a sub-menu. This would better organize the boot options and lead > > > to an easier and seamless boot experience. > > > > +1. I often see new users asking "why are there multiple Fedora choices?", > > or > > "which kernel should I use?" > > The Change page does not make it clear: is it possible to opt out of the > change, i.e. keep the current menu structure after grub2-mkconfig has run? > Yes, the Change page isn't clear. What I was thinking was to have a GRUB_ENABLE_SIMPLE_MENU option in /etc/default/grub that would control how the /etc/grub.d/* snippets would generate the grub menu. So users can opt-in by setting it to true and re-running grub2-mkconfig again. Conversely, users may opt-out by removing GRUB_ENABLE_SIMPLE_MENU from /etc/default/grub (or not setting it to true) and running grub2-mkconfig again. It's not possible to opt-out after grub2-mkconfig as run since that it's what generates the grub2.cfg that will contain the menu entries. But it's possible to re-generate the grub2.cfg file. I also think that Anaconda should only set GRUB_ENABLE_SIMPLE_MENU=true for Workstation, like we do with the GRUB menu auto hide feature. I'll update the Changes page to reflect this. Best regards, Javier ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Improved GRUB menu
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 05:40:30AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 05:29:51AM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: > > Improve the GRUB menu by only having the default boot option for each > > installed operating system in the main menu, and the other options > > into a sub-menu. This would better organize the boot options and lead > > to an easier and seamless boot experience. > > +1. I often see new users asking "why are there multiple Fedora choices?", or > "which kernel should I use?" The Change page does not make it clear: is it possible to opt out of the change, i.e. keep the current menu structure after grub2-mkconfig has run? Zbyszek ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Improved GRUB menu
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 05:29:51AM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: > Improve the GRUB menu by only having the default boot option for each > installed operating system in the main menu, and the other options > into a sub-menu. This would better organize the boot options and lead > to an easier and seamless boot experience. +1. I often see new users asking "why are there multiple Fedora choices?", or "which kernel should I use?" -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Improved GRUB menu
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ImprovedGrubMenu == Summary == Improve the GRUB menu by only having the default boot option for each installed operating system in the main menu, and the other options into a sub-menu. This would better organize the boot options and lead to an easier and seamless boot experience. == Owner == * Name: [[User:Javierm|Javier Martinez Canillas]] * Email: javi...@redhat.com == Detailed Description == The current GRUB menu is confusing, specially when multiple operating systems are installed. The Fedora boot entries are added first and then the ones for the other installed operating systems. The main menu contains all the boot entries for Fedora but only the default boot entry for the other operating systems, the non-default boot entries for the other installed operating systems are placed into a per operating system sub-menu. An example of how the GRUB menu currently looks can be found at [https://javierm.fedorapeople.org/grub2/menu/fedora_menu.png https://javierm.fedorapeople.org/grub2/menu/fedora_menu.png] This can be improved by adding a sub-menu for the Fedora non-default boot entries, as is already the case for the other installed operating systems. This will make the boot entries for all the operating systems consistent. Another improvement would be to group all the default options for the operating systems as one section, followed by another section that groups all the sub-menus for the non-default options. A tentative design made by Allan Day for the improved GRUB menu can be found at [https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/BootOptions#Tentative_Design https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/BootOptions#Tentative_Design] For Fedora, the boot option in the main menu will either be the selected default boot entry or if no default was chosen, the latest installed kernel. For the other installed operating systems, the boot option in the main menu will be the latest kernel as found by GRUB's os-prober script. == Benefit to Fedora == Making the menu less confusing and with better organized boot options will lead to a better user experience and make easier for users to choose the operating systems to boot. == Scope == * Proposal owners: # Change GRUB to implement the changes as described in the "Detailed Description" section. # Make sure this is all properly documented in release-notes, etc. * Other developers: # Test and watch for regressions. * Policies and guidelines: The policies and guidelines do not need to be updated. * Trademark approval: No changes needed. == Upgrade/compatibility impact == The changes are in the grub.cfg file generated at install time by Anaconda. Users can manually enable this after an upgrade by executing gru2-mkconfig to regenerate their grub.cfg file. == How To Test == # Single OS test ## Install Fedora in a VM. ## On boot the default boot option is in the main menu and the other options (e.g: rescue boot option) are in a sub-menu. # Multi boot test ## Install Fedora on a machine which other operating system installed. ## On boot the default boot options for the operating systems are in the main menu and the other options in sub-menus. == User Experience == A simpler and easier to understand GRUB boot menu. Choosing which operating system to boot should be simpler and involve less steps. == Dependencies == None == Contingency Plan == * Contingency mechanism: Revert the GRUB changes. * Contingency deadline: Beta Freeze * Blocks release? No * Blocks product? None -- Ben Cotton Fedora Program Manager TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis ___ devel-announce mailing list -- devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-announce-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org
F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: Improved GRUB menu
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ImprovedGrubMenu == Summary == Improve the GRUB menu by only having the default boot option for each installed operating system in the main menu, and the other options into a sub-menu. This would better organize the boot options and lead to an easier and seamless boot experience. == Owner == * Name: [[User:Javierm|Javier Martinez Canillas]] * Email: javi...@redhat.com == Detailed Description == The current GRUB menu is confusing, specially when multiple operating systems are installed. The Fedora boot entries are added first and then the ones for the other installed operating systems. The main menu contains all the boot entries for Fedora but only the default boot entry for the other operating systems, the non-default boot entries for the other installed operating systems are placed into a per operating system sub-menu. An example of how the GRUB menu currently looks can be found at [https://javierm.fedorapeople.org/grub2/menu/fedora_menu.png https://javierm.fedorapeople.org/grub2/menu/fedora_menu.png] This can be improved by adding a sub-menu for the Fedora non-default boot entries, as is already the case for the other installed operating systems. This will make the boot entries for all the operating systems consistent. Another improvement would be to group all the default options for the operating systems as one section, followed by another section that groups all the sub-menus for the non-default options. A tentative design made by Allan Day for the improved GRUB menu can be found at [https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/BootOptions#Tentative_Design https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/BootOptions#Tentative_Design] For Fedora, the boot option in the main menu will either be the selected default boot entry or if no default was chosen, the latest installed kernel. For the other installed operating systems, the boot option in the main menu will be the latest kernel as found by GRUB's os-prober script. == Benefit to Fedora == Making the menu less confusing and with better organized boot options will lead to a better user experience and make easier for users to choose the operating systems to boot. == Scope == * Proposal owners: # Change GRUB to implement the changes as described in the "Detailed Description" section. # Make sure this is all properly documented in release-notes, etc. * Other developers: # Test and watch for regressions. * Policies and guidelines: The policies and guidelines do not need to be updated. * Trademark approval: No changes needed. == Upgrade/compatibility impact == The changes are in the grub.cfg file generated at install time by Anaconda. Users can manually enable this after an upgrade by executing gru2-mkconfig to regenerate their grub.cfg file. == How To Test == # Single OS test ## Install Fedora in a VM. ## On boot the default boot option is in the main menu and the other options (e.g: rescue boot option) are in a sub-menu. # Multi boot test ## Install Fedora on a machine which other operating system installed. ## On boot the default boot options for the operating systems are in the main menu and the other options in sub-menus. == User Experience == A simpler and easier to understand GRUB boot menu. Choosing which operating system to boot should be simpler and involve less steps. == Dependencies == None == Contingency Plan == * Contingency mechanism: Revert the GRUB changes. * Contingency deadline: Beta Freeze * Blocks release? No * Blocks product? None -- Ben Cotton Fedora Program Manager TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
