Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:46 PM Tom Hughes wrote: > > On 05/04/2022 18:38, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:31 PM Tom Hughes via devel > > wrote: > >> > >> On 05/04/2022 15:52, Ben Cotton wrote: > >> > >>> * There is no migration story from Legacy BIOS to UEFI - > >>> repartitioning

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 05.04.2022 um 16:52 schrieb Ben Cotton : > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > == Summary == > Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on > platforms that support it (x86_64). Legacy BIOS support is not > removed, but new non-UEFI

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Gregory Bartholomew
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 12:39 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > Fedora Server users *must* fully reinstall, because there's no way to > make space for an ESP and reconfigure things. > I haven't done a "default" Fedora Server installation in a long time, so I'm not sure how they are laid out. But I seem to

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 12:31 PM Tom Hughes via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 05/04/2022 15:52, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > * There is no migration story from Legacy BIOS to UEFI - > > repartitioning effectively mandates a reinstall. As a result, we > > don’t drop support for

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Tom Hughes via devel
On 05/04/2022 18:38, Neal Gompa wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:31 PM Tom Hughes via devel wrote: On 05/04/2022 15:52, Ben Cotton wrote: * There is no migration story from Legacy BIOS to UEFI - repartitioning effectively mandates a reinstall. As a result, we don’t drop support for existing

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:31 PM Tom Hughes via devel wrote: > > On 05/04/2022 15:52, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > * There is no migration story from Legacy BIOS to UEFI - > > repartitioning effectively mandates a reinstall. As a result, we > > don’t drop support for existing Legacy BIOS systems yet,

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Tom Hughes via devel
On 05/04/2022 15:52, Ben Cotton wrote: * There is no migration story from Legacy BIOS to UEFI - repartitioning effectively mandates a reinstall. As a result, we don’t drop support for existing Legacy BIOS systems yet, just new installations. This is where I have a problem with this, the fact

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Ralf Corsépius
Am 05.04.22 um 16:52 schrieb Ben Cotton: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS == Summary == Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on platforms that support it (x86_64). Legacy BIOS support is not removed, but new non-UEFI installation is not

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Robbie Harwood said: > (Just to be clear here: this change is proposing a deprecation, not a > removal.) No, the change proposes making it impossible to install Fedora on BIOS. That's not a deprecation. -- Chris Adams ___ devel

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Robbie Harwood
David Duncan writes: > For similar reasons, I agree with Neal. There are a number of Amazon > EC2 instance types that would be left out of the next generation. I > think it would be better to identify the usage in some way and create > a general awareness that it is being removed prior to

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Robbie Harwood
Neal Gompa writes: > By virtue of how boot stuff is handled in Fedora, the community is > incapable of working on it. Not true. Not at all true. src.fedoraproject.org permits anyone, *anyone* to send PRs to fix issues in the boot stack, or any other package. Even without it, bugzilla doesn't

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Marc Pervaz Boocha via devel
On Tue, 2022-04-05 at 09:33 -0700, David Duncan wrote: > > > > On Apr 5, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ben Cotton > > wrote: > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > > > > > == Summary == > > > Make UEFI a

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Jared Dominguez
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022, 11:15 Neal Gompa wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > > > == Summary == > > Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on > > platforms that support it (x86_64).

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread David Duncan
> On Apr 5, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS >> >> == Summary == >> Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on >> platforms that support it

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, Apr 5 2022 at 11:56:07 AM -0400, Robbie Harwood wrote: Users wishing to use NVIDIA hardware have the following options: - Use nouveau (free, open source, cool) - Sign their own copy of the proprietary driver (involves messing with certificates, so not appropriate for all users) -

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Robbie Harwood
Neal Gompa writes: > And we've still failed to get ARM and RISC-V broadly on board with > UEFI This statement is not correct. ARM in Fedora is UEFI-only, and we were both in the Plumbers conversation around RISC-V's booting. > We also lack solutions for dealing with the NVIDIA driver in >

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Florian Weimer
* Peter Robinson: > This is out of context here because you can disable Secure Boot but > still use UEFI to make that work. You're trying to link to different > problems together. I think there's firmware out there which enables Secure Boot unconditionally in UEFI mode, but still has CSM

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:26 AM Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 4:09 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > > > > > == Summary == > > > Make UEFI a hardware

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Marc Pervaz Boocha via devel
On Tue, 2022-04-05 at 10:52 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > Important, relevant points from that thread (yes, I reread the entire > thread) that have informed this change: > > * Some machines are BIOS-only.  This change does not prevent

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 4:09 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > > > == Summary == > > Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on > > platforms that support it

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > == Summary == > Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on > platforms that support it (x86_64). Legacy BIOS support is not > removed, but new non-UEFI

F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS == Summary == Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on platforms that support it (x86_64). Legacy BIOS support is not removed, but new non-UEFI installation is not supported on those platforms. This is a first

F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS == Summary == Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on platforms that support it (x86_64). Legacy BIOS support is not removed, but new non-UEFI installation is not supported on those platforms. This is a first

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