Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm

2013-07-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:25 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
 = Proposed Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm =
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Plasma-nm
 
 Change owner(s): Jan Grulich jgrul...@redhat.com, Lukáš Tinkl 
 lti...@redhat.com 
 
 Replace current network applet in KDE with a new one and bring the latest 
 news 
 in NetworkManager to KDE. 
 
 == Detailed description ==
 Plasma-nm is a new plasma applet for network management in KDE which uses the 
 latest KDE technologies. It supports all connection types from NetworkManager 
 like bonding, bridging etc. and it's simplier to maintain it than the old 
 one. 
 It absoletes the old network applet which is hardly maintainable.
 
 == Scope ==
 This feature affects only KDE. The only necessary action is to remove and 
 obsolete the kde-plasma-networkmanagement package and ensure that kde-plasma-
 nm is installed by default. 

What is the schedule for this Change? As with other significant changes
to release-blocking DEs, it'd be very much preferable to have it in by
Alpha.
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Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm

2013-07-22 Thread Lukáš Tinkl

Dne 22.7.2013 17:45, Adam Williamson napsal(a):

On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:25 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:

= Proposed Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Plasma-nm

Change owner(s): Jan Grulich jgrul...@redhat.com, Lukáš Tinkl
lti...@redhat.com

Replace current network applet in KDE with a new one and bring the latest news
in NetworkManager to KDE.

== Detailed description ==
Plasma-nm is a new plasma applet for network management in KDE which uses the
latest KDE technologies. It supports all connection types from NetworkManager
like bonding, bridging etc. and it's simplier to maintain it than the old one.
It absoletes the old network applet which is hardly maintainable.

== Scope ==
This feature affects only KDE. The only necessary action is to remove and
obsolete the kde-plasma-networkmanagement package and ensure that kde-plasma-
nm is installed by default.


What is the schedule for this Change? As with other significant changes
to release-blocking DEs, it'd be very much preferable to have it in by
Alpha.



We plan to do the (first) official release by the end of this week and 
immediately import it into fedora git repos. Rawhide has contained git 
snapshots until now.


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Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm

2013-07-16 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:25 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
 = Proposed Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm =
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Plasma-nm
 
 Change owner(s): Jan Grulich jgrul...@redhat.com, Lukáš Tinkl 
 lti...@redhat.com 
 
 Replace current network applet in KDE with a new one and bring the latest 
 news 
 in NetworkManager to KDE. 
 
 == Detailed description ==
 Plasma-nm is a new plasma applet for network management in KDE which uses the 
 latest KDE technologies. It supports all connection types from NetworkManager 
 like bonding, bridging etc.

... and all types of VPN?

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Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm

2013-07-16 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 12:52 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
 On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:25 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
  = Proposed Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm =
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Plasma-nm
  
  Change owner(s): Jan Grulich jgrul...@redhat.com, Lukáš Tinkl 
  lti...@redhat.com 
  
  Replace current network applet in KDE with a new one and bring the latest 
  news 
  in NetworkManager to KDE. 
  
  == Detailed description ==
  Plasma-nm is a new plasma applet for network management in KDE which uses 
  the 
  latest KDE technologies. It supports all connection types from 
  NetworkManager 
  like bonding, bridging etc.
 
 ... and all types of VPN?

One thing we're going to be working on upstream is a more agnostic way
for VPN plugins to present their configuration UI, since there are
multiple things that need this information, including command-line
programs.  I'm not sure yet how that will get presented, but likely in
some form of UI description files that can be easily parsed by whatever
UI you've got and the widgets reconstructed.  We've come to the point
where it's increasingly hard to keep duplicating the UI logic every time
updated UI happens.  This would ideally help the KDE folks too as they
wouldn't have to write completely new VPN UI for each plugin.

Dan

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Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm

2013-07-16 Thread Lukáš Tinkl

Dne 16.7.2013 16:55, Dan Williams napsal(a):

On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 12:52 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:

On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:25 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:

= Proposed Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Plasma-nm

Change owner(s): Jan Grulich jgrul...@redhat.com, Lukáš Tinkl
lti...@redhat.com

Replace current network applet in KDE with a new one and bring the latest news
in NetworkManager to KDE.

== Detailed description ==
Plasma-nm is a new plasma applet for network management in KDE which uses the
latest KDE technologies. It supports all connection types from NetworkManager
like bonding, bridging etc.


... and all types of VPN?


Yes, and even more than the older applet:
http://developer.kde.org/~lukas/screenshots/plasma-nm-vpn.png


One thing we're going to be working on upstream is a more agnostic way
for VPN plugins to present their configuration UI, since there are
multiple things that need this information, including command-line
programs.  I'm not sure yet how that will get presented, but likely in
some form of UI description files that can be easily parsed by whatever
UI you've got and the widgets reconstructed.  We've come to the point
where it's increasingly hard to keep duplicating the UI logic every time
updated UI happens.  This would ideally help the KDE folks too as they
wouldn't have to write completely new VPN UI for each plugin.

Dan



This would definitely be a very welcome addition; we already have a 
similar mechanism for parsing the OpenConnect auth dialogs, having some 
well-defined XML/JSON description would be a big bonus


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