Re: orphaning xine-lib, EOL'ing phonon-backend-xine
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 02:06, Petrus de Calguarium pguec...@gmail.com wrote: John5342 wrote: I forget which one exactly contains the mp3 plugin gstreamer-plugins-ugly, I believe i just install all of them and then i don't have to worry about any other format i may one day come across. ditto The same plugins are also used by just about every other form of KDE based audio/video. That includes everything from video players like Dragon to audio players like Amarok to System Notifications etc. Curious. I thought Dragon must use xine-lib, since both kdemultimedia and kdebase-runtime require it in F15. At least in kdemultimedia, wine-lib seems to be required for dvd support (which is usable within Fedora assuming they are not encrypted and usable on encrypted dvds with libdvdcss) which is a little more advanced than phonon can handle (complex and separate videos, menu navigation etc) and therefore handled separately. I don't know about kdebase-runtime but i imagine that has it's own independent purpose. Dragon does seem to use phonon for most of it's stuff though. -- There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary and those who don't... -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: orphaning xine-lib, EOL'ing phonon-backend-xine
Petrus de Calguarium wrote: Curious. I thought Dragon must use xine-lib, since both kdemultimedia and kdebase-runtime require it in F15. It used xine-lib directly, only because phonon lacked support for DVD menus (until recently). kde-4.7 will (should!) fix that. -- Rex -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: orphaning xine-lib, EOL'ing phonon-backend-xine
Rex Dieter wrote: It used xine-lib directly, only because phonon lacked support for DVD menus (until recently). kde-4.7 will (should!) fix that. Also note that the DVD menu hack in Dragon Player only works with phonon- backend-xine. Hopefully we'll soon have code which uses the new Phonon interfaces, which work with phonon-backend-gstreamer (the new default). As for kdebase-runtime, it has a System Settings module to configure Phonon- Xine. That stuff needs to go away in Rawhide along with phonon-backend-xine. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: orphaning xine-lib, EOL'ing phonon-backend-xine
Kevin Kofler wrote: there's one third-party KDE-Platform-based application still using xine-lib for the foreseeable future: Kaffeine. kaffeine has begun to look kind of shabby. I always installed it, as xine appeared to have the most complete set of codecs. Can other programs now deal with everything that xine/kaffeine was a fallback for? (Sorry, I have no actual examples, off the top of my head) xine-lib is a requisite for xine-lib-extras-freeworld. Will amarok be using a different library to play mp3 in f16? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: orphaning xine-lib, EOL'ing phonon-backend-xine
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 19:02, Petrus de Calguarium pguec...@gmail.comwrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: there's one third-party KDE-Platform-based application still using xine-lib for the foreseeable future: Kaffeine. kaffeine has begun to look kind of shabby. I always installed it, as xine appeared to have the most complete set of codecs. Can other programs now deal with everything that xine/kaffeine was a fallback for? (Sorry, I have no actual examples, off the top of my head) xine-lib is a requisite for xine-lib-extras-freeworld. Will amarok be using a different library to play mp3 in f16? So far as i am aware amarok just uses phonon for playback (since 2.0) so if you use phonon-backend-xine then it uses xine and if you use phonon-backend-gstreamer it uses gstreamer and phonon-backend-vlc uses vlc. Hence xine-lib-extras-freeworld should make no difference to amarok when using the default backend anyway. You probably want gstreamer-plugins-* in f15+ (or whenever phonon-backend-gstreamer became the default) unless you changed the back end manually. -- There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary and those who don't... -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: orphaning xine-lib, EOL'ing phonon-backend-xine
John5342 wrote: Hence xine-lib-extras-freeworld should make no difference to amarok when using the default backend anyway. You probably want gstreamer-plugins-* in f15+ (or whenever phonon-backend-gstreamer became the default) unless you changed the back end manually. Oh, so you mean I never needed to install xine-lib-extras-freeworld, since I am using phonon-backend-gstreamer? I can get amarok to play mp3, assuming I have all of the gstreamer-plugins-* installed? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: orphaning xine-lib, EOL'ing phonon-backend-xine
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 22:59, Petrus de Calguarium pguec...@gmail.com wrote: John5342 wrote: Hence xine-lib-extras-freeworld should make no difference to amarok when using the default backend anyway. You probably want gstreamer-plugins-* in f15+ (or whenever phonon-backend-gstreamer became the default) unless you changed the back end manually. Oh, so you mean I never needed to install xine-lib-extras-freeworld, since I am using phonon-backend-gstreamer? Precisely. I can get amarok to play mp3, assuming I have all of the gstreamer-plugins-* installed? Yes basically. I forget which one exactly contains the mp3 plugin but i just install all of them and then i don't have to worry about any other format i may one day come across. The same plugins are also used by just about every other form of KDE based audio/video. That includes everything from video players like Dragon to audio players like Amarok to System Notifications etc. -- There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary and those who don't... -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: orphaning xine-lib, EOL'ing phonon-backend-xine
Petrus de Calguarium wrote: John5342 wrote: Hence xine-lib-extras-freeworld should make no difference to amarok when using the default backend anyway. You probably want gstreamer-plugins-* in f15+ (or whenever phonon-backend-gstreamer became the default) unless you changed the back end manually. I guess it works. I just uninstalled xine-lib-extras-freeworld and amarok is fine. I haven't tried any video players, yet, but all looks good so far. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: orphaning xine-lib, EOL'ing phonon-backend-xine
John5342 wrote: I forget which one exactly contains the mp3 plugin gstreamer-plugins-ugly, I believe i just install all of them and then i don't have to worry about any other format i may one day come across. ditto The same plugins are also used by just about every other form of KDE based audio/video. That includes everything from video players like Dragon to audio players like Amarok to System Notifications etc. Curious. I thought Dragon must use xine-lib, since both kdemultimedia and kdebase-runtime require it in F15. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
orphaning xine-lib, EOL'ing phonon-backend-xine
The labor of love that was maintaining xine-lib has passed, as it will no longer be a dependency in f16's kde stack in any form. As such, I'm orphaning it. Kevin Kofler has offered to take ownership, though I'd venture he'd welcome any comaintainer assistance offered. In a similar vein, phonon-backend-xine has officially been deprecated and is no longer supported. We'll be EOL'ing this one soon. -- Rex -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: orphaning xine-lib, EOL'ing phonon-backend-xine
Rex Dieter wrote: The labor of love that was maintaining xine-lib has passed, as it will no longer be a dependency in f16's kde stack in any form. As such, I'm orphaning it. Kevin Kofler has offered to take ownership, though I'd venture he'd welcome any comaintainer assistance offered. FWIW, there's one third-party KDE-Platform-based application still using xine-lib for the foreseeable future: Kaffeine. That package was also orphaned, I picked it up too. In a similar vein, phonon-backend-xine has officially been deprecated and is no longer supported. We'll be EOL'ing this one soon. It's indeed time for that one to just go away, phonon-backend-gstreamer is now the better solution. I'm not going to attempt resurrecting phonon- backend-xine unless upstream suddenly changes their mind about the recommended Phonon backend again and brings it back from the ashes (but xine-lib itself would need a sudden reinjection of life as well). We've been doing the switch step by step: * Fedora 9, 10 and 11 installed only phonon-backend-xine by default. * Fedora 12, 13 and 14 installed both phonon-backend-xine and phonon- backend-gstreamer by default and defaulted to phonon-backend-xine. * Fedora 15 only installs phonon-backend-gstreamer by default. phonon- backend-xine is still in the repository, but will not be used by default even when installed. * Fedora 16 will only support phonon-backend-gstreamer. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
