Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-06 Thread Vratislav Podzimek
On Mon, 2012-04-02 at 20:58 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 08:32:56PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: * #834 F18 Feature: /tmp on tmpfs - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs (mitr, 17:40:06) * AGREED: tmp-on-tmpfs is accepted (+5 -3) (mitr,

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-04 Thread Jonathan Underwood
On 2 April 2012 20:58, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 08:32:56PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: * #834 F18 Feature: /tmp on tmpfs -   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs  (mitr, 17:40:06)   * AGREED: tmp-on-tmpfs is accepted (+5 -3)  (mitr,

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-04 Thread Karel Zak
On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 08:58:12PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 08:32:56PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: * #834 F18 Feature: /tmp on tmpfs - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs (mitr, 17:40:06) * AGREED: tmp-on-tmpfs is accepted (+5 -3)

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
drago01 wrote: We could just make anaconda remove everything in /tmp ... done. First of all, renaming it as Simo Sorce suggested makes more sense. But secondly, what you both miss is that not everyone upgrades using Anaconda, there's also plain yum. Seeing more and more black magic getting

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-04 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 11:51:08AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: drago01 wrote: We could just make anaconda remove everything in /tmp ... done. First of all, renaming it as Simo Sorce suggested makes more sense. But secondly, what you both miss is that not everyone upgrades using Anaconda,

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 04.04.12 09:31, Jonathan Underwood (jonathan.underw...@gmail.com) wrote: On 2 April 2012 20:58, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 08:32:56PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: * #834 F18 Feature: /tmp on tmpfs -  

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-03 Thread drago01
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Actually I think this is a good feature, but ... I'm unsure about whether this makes sense for new installs or not, but I feel my objection in

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-03 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2012-04-03 at 05:10 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Actually I think this is a good feature, but ... I'm unsure about whether this makes sense for new installs or not, but I feel my objection in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Features/tmp-on-tmpfs was not

/tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 08:32:56PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: * #834 F18 Feature: /tmp on tmpfs - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs (mitr, 17:40:06) * AGREED: tmp-on-tmpfs is accepted (+5 -3) (mitr, 18:12:52) Actually I think this is a good feature, but ... The

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-02 Thread David Quigley
On 04/02/2012 15:58, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 08:32:56PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: * #834 F18 Feature: /tmp on tmpfs - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs (mitr, 17:40:06) * AGREED: tmp-on-tmpfs is accepted (+5 -3) (mitr, 18:12:52) Actually

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 04:04:23PM -0400, David Quigley wrote: On 04/02/2012 15:58, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 08:32:56PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: * #834 F18 Feature: /tmp on tmpfs - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs (mitr, 17:40:06) *

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-02 Thread David Quigley
On 04/02/2012 16:06, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 04:04:23PM -0400, David Quigley wrote: On 04/02/2012 15:58, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 08:32:56PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: * #834 F18 Feature: /tmp on tmpfs -

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-02 Thread drago01
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 08:32:56PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: * #834 F18 Feature: /tmp on tmpfs -   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs  (mitr, 17:40:06)   * AGREED: tmp-on-tmpfs is accepted (+5 -3)  

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-02 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 02.04.12 20:58, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote: Heya, The feature page is wrong about The user experience should barely change. This is mostly a low-level change that has little visibility to the user. Well, i'd claim this is not really user visible if implemented

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 10:24:38PM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:  - it doesn't support O_DIRECT Neither does this (which apps needs O_DIRECT on /tmp ? ). qemu and libguestfs as it turned out. It was one of the things we

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-02 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 02.04.12 21:30, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote:  - it doesn't support user extended attrs; and not very old kernels   didn't support any xattrs at all, meaning things like SELinux   labels don't work Huh? Why would you run a very old kernel on fedora? It's

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 04:40:38PM -0400, David Quigley wrote: You don't specify seclabel as an option. It is something that is put into the mount command to show you that a filesystem supports being able to set security labels on it. OK, I see. In fact I tested this and I was able to set

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-02 Thread Steve Grubb
On Monday, April 02, 2012 03:58:12 PM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: * #834 F18 Feature: /tmp on tmpfs - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs (mitr, 17:40:06) * AGREED: tmp-on-tmpfs is accepted (+5 -3) (mitr, 18:12:52) Actually I think this is a good feature, but ...

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-02 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 02.04.12 16:55, Steve Grubb (sgr...@redhat.com) wrote: On Monday, April 02, 2012 03:58:12 PM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: * #834 F18 Feature: /tmp on tmpfs - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs (mitr, 17:40:06) * AGREED: tmp-on-tmpfs is accepted (+5 -3)

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) said:  - it doesn't support user extended attrs; and not very old kernels   didn't support any xattrs at all, meaning things like SELinux   labels don't work Huh? Why would you run a very old kernel on fedora? It's not unknown that people

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 20:58:12 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: - it doesn't support O_DIRECT I thought this was also true of ext4 with data journaling enabled. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 2 April 2012 14:55, Steve Grubb sgr...@redhat.com wrote: On Monday, April 02, 2012 03:58:12 PM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: * #834 F18 Feature: /tmp on tmpfs -   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/tmp-on-tmpfs  (mitr, 17:40:06)   * AGREED: tmp-on-tmpfs is accepted (+5 -3)  (mitr,

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-02 Thread M A Young
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 02.04.12 16:55, Steve Grubb (sgr...@redhat.com) wrote: What about forensics? Any reboot erases information that might have been needed to see what happened during a break in. /tmp is already volatile and cleaned up in regular intervals.

Re: /tmp on tmpfs (was: Re: Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-04-02))

2012-04-02 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* M A Young [02/04/2012 23:51] : This also means a big change in user experience as many will be expecting things in /tmp to remain there for a while before being deleted even if the system is restarted or crashes. The expectations of these 'many' (this really needs to be measured) run