Re: Add Gparted into Live's
John --- for fixing systems that are borked or preping for offsite installs is how I took it ... Thomas --- parted OR gnome-disks (both to my knowledge are on ALL Fedora lives can do a reformat of a dd'd usb or other drive for that matter... mkfs.ext4 (or w/e) /dev/sdX (must be unmounted ofc) parted /dev/sdX set 1 boot on (makes part 1 or sdx in case of no follow on parts) bootable as a gparted (manage flags operation would do ) Corey W Sheldon Owner, 1st Class Mobile Shine 310.909.7672 www.facebook.com/1stclassmobileshine On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 11:08 PM, John Osborne thegeekwholi...@gmail.com wrote: Not to be pedantic, but this seems a little redundant. You're talking about creating a live image when you're already booted under a live image. Or am I misunderstanding something here? On 08/08/2014 05:30 PM, Thomas Gilliard wrote: Unfortunately gparted is the only way to repair a usb stick dd'd with fedora. Need to use gparted's create a new mbr and formatting it fat32, boot flag set. The included disks does not seem to have this feature. This is needed for fedora liveusb-creator GUI to create a bootable live USB stick. On 8/8/2014 5:07 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Sat, 2014-08-09 at 02:33 +0430, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: GParted provides a number of essential features users might need, some of which are not provided even by any command line tools in Fedora repositories: resizing and moving partitions/filesystems. And something like resizing FAT partitions is what I have not seen in any other tools in Fedora repositories except kde-partitionmanager. Anaconda provides resizing facility, but not move. Also, I'm not sure if Anaconda can resize FAT partitions. Hi Hedayat, gparted should not be included because it's an advanced tool for technical users, whereas Fedora Workstation needs to contain only tools that are easy for everyone to use. Keep in mind that programs included in the live image will also wind up on the installed system. Michael -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Add Gparted into Live's
On Fri, 2014-08-08 at 17:30 -0700, Thomas Gilliard wrote: Unfortunately gparted is the only way to repair a usb stick dd'd with fedora. Need to use gparted's create a new mbr and formatting it fat32, boot flag set. The included disks does not seem to have this feature. Disks can do this. I presume you know how to use Disks to format the stick and create a new FAT 32 partition, since that's pretty straightforward. To make the partition bootable, highlight the partition, select Edit Partition from the little gear menu at the bottom, then check Bootable. This is needed for fedora liveusb-creator GUI to create a bootable live USB stick. Or you could use Disks to create the bootable live USB stick without messing with any of this: just open the gear menu and click Restore Disk Image. You can also right click on the file in Nautilus and select Open With - Disk Image Writer, which takes you to the same place (and the only thing you have to do is select the stick from the dropdown menu; couldn't be easier). signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Add Gparted into Live's
/*Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org*/ wrote on Fri, 08 Aug 2014 19:07:11 -0500: On Sat, 2014-08-09 at 02:33 +0430, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: GParted provides a number of essential features users might need, some of which are not provided even by any command line tools in Fedora repositories: resizing and moving partitions/filesystems. And something like resizing FAT partitions is what I have not seen in any other tools in Fedora repositories except kde-partitionmanager. Anaconda provides resizing facility, but not move. Also, I'm not sure if Anaconda can resize FAT partitions. Hi Hedayat, gparted should not be included because it's an advanced tool for technical users, whereas Fedora Workstation needs to contain only tools that are easy for everyone to use. Keep in mind that programs included in the live image will also wind up on the installed system. Michael I actually don't insist on including gparted itself, but some of its features. Having a second thought, I think it is actually better to add such missing features to Anaconda itself, so it would benefit installation media too. I didn't talk about GParted just because it is useful. I talked about it since sometimes it is needed for successful installation. Yes, if you already have installed any kind of GNU/Linux OS, you would rarely need to resize/move any partitions. But I've seen this being needed for many 'first time' installs. Well, as I said, I think missing features should be added to Anaconda, rather than including gparted in live media. You might say moving partitions is 'too much' for Anaconda, but IMHO resizing FAT partitions isn't (unless you think that Anaconda should remove the ability to shrink NTFS partitions too!). Regards, Hedayat -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Add Gparted into Live's
/*Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.com*/ wrote on Fri, 1 Aug 2014 07:08:52 +0800: On Jul 31, 2014 7:44 PM, Álvaro Castillo net...@fedoraproject.org mailto:net...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Dear Fedora Team, I pray to God. Could Fedora live have CD/DVD/USB Gparted by default? Could add Gparted please? You should provide us a reasonable explanation as the essential precondition for the request. GParted provides a number of essential features users might need, some of which are not provided even by any command line tools in Fedora repositories: resizing and moving partitions/filesystems. And something like resizing FAT partitions is what I have not seen in any other tools in Fedora repositories except kde-partitionmanager. Anaconda provides resizing facility, but not move. Also, I'm not sure if Anaconda can resize FAT partitions. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Add Gparted into Live's
Am 09.08.2014 um 00:03 schrieb Hedayat Vatankhah: /*Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.com*/ wrote on Fri, 1 Aug 2014 07:08:52 +0800: On Jul 31, 2014 7:44 PM, Álvaro Castillo net...@fedoraproject.org mailto:net...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Dear Fedora Team, I pray to God. Could Fedora live have CD/DVD/USB Gparted by default? Could add Gparted please? You should provide us a reasonable explanation as the essential precondition for the request. GParted provides a number of essential features users might need, some of which are not provided even by any command line tools in Fedora repositories: resizing and moving partitions/filesystems. And something like resizing FAT partitions is what I have not seen in any other tools in Fedora repositories except kde-partitionmanager. Anaconda provides resizing facility, but not move. Also, I'm not sure if Anaconda can resize FAT partitions. but that is nohting you do every day, frankly even not every year keep in mind yum install gparted just works on a Live-CD! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Add Gparted into Live's
On 2014-08-09 00:06 (GMT+0200) Reindl Harald composed: Anaconda provides resizing facility, but not move. Also, I'm not sure if Anaconda can resize FAT partitions. but that is nohting you do every day, frankly even not every year keep in mind yum install gparted just works on a Live-CD! Every use for live media includes network access? So what's a live media boot good for if not things little other than live media boot can support (what one does not do every day)? Shouldn't live media have some carrots to compensate for their sloth? Then again, when I need a live media boot, I only trust the live media granddaddy to have everything I need, so almost never bother to download any other live media (not counting installation media, though installation media is another iso type I rarely download). Maybe I'm one of few who think this way, so maybe it's unimportant that anyone habitually looks elsewhere than a preferred everyday distro to meet live needs. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Add Gparted into Live's
Am 09.08.2014 um 00:36 schrieb Felix Miata: On 2014-08-09 00:06 (GMT+0200) Reindl Harald composed: Anaconda provides resizing facility, but not move. Also, I'm not sure if Anaconda can resize FAT partitions. but that is nohting you do every day, frankly even not every year keep in mind yum install gparted just works on a Live-CD! Every use for live media includes network access? no as well as not use gparted So what's a live media boot good for if not things little other than live media boot can support to test Fedora without install it on a computer already running a different OS (what one does not do every day)? Shouldn't live media have some carrots to compensate for their sloth? for the usecase of this topic there are special distributions http://gparted.org/livecd.php Then again, when I need a live media boot, I only trust the live media granddaddy to have everything I need you can't have *everything* you *may* need in every imagineable situation and since the space on a live-CD is not endless you need to draw a line and include packages useful for *most* users to get a feeling if Fedora could be the right OS for the future example: * include gparted with deps and drop other things to get the space * the other things are likely more interesting for testers what is the better decision for a *generic* OS like Fedora? hint: the Fedora Live CD don't need to beat special recovery distributions but it should help people to decide install Fedora on their HD signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Add Gparted into Live's
On Aug 8, 2014 4:03 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah hedayat@gmail.com wrote: GParted provides a number of essential features users might need, some of which are not provided even by any command line tools in Fedora repositories: resizing and moving partitions/filesystems. And something like resizing FAT partitions is what I have not seen in any other tools in Fedora repositories except kde-partitionmanager. Anaconda provides resizing facility, but not move. Also, I'm not sure if Anaconda can resize FAT partitions. ... I think there is rarely a case where moving partitions is a good idea. I've seen two situations where it would be useful: - on an MBR drive, the user deliberately created four primary partitions in a way that left a bunch of unallocated space unusable without rearranging things * supplying gparted by default is going to enable this kind of misadventure - the user has deliberately created a small partition in the middle of the drive but wants to use that space in another filesystem * again, self-inflicted * combining scattered partitions into a volume group is arguably safer The other reason - anecdotally more common - is that the user simply likes to see the partitions in alphabetical order by label or mountpoint, or by descending volume, or by color left to right. In short, arbitrary. Yeah, I know part of the drive goes by the read head faster - show me some data from a modern drive if you're going to argue the point, please. Goofing around with your data at the block level is dangerous. A user that's trying to 'perfect' their partition layout before installing has a much greater chance of failure. IMO the convenience isn't worth the risk or loss of space for more interesting things. --Pete -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Add Gparted into Live's
On 2014-08-09 00:46 (GMT+0200) Reindl Harald composed: So what's a live media boot good for if not things little other than live media boot can support to test Fedora without install it on a computer already running a different OS That is only *a* reason. (what one does not do every day)? Shouldn't live media have some carrots to compensate for their sloth? for the usecase of this topic there are special distributions http://gparted.org/livecd.php One might rather have one good live that does most or all things one needs live for than a whole bunch of limited purpose media which one might need to guess what purpose caused their presence in a larger live media collection. Then again, when I need a live media boot, I only trust the live media granddaddy to have everything I need you can't have *everything* you *may* need in every imagineable situation and since the space on a live-CD is not endless you need to draw a line and include packages useful for *most* users to get a feeling if Fedora could be the right OS for the future CD, probably, but most who can download or use a CD can do the same with a DVD, and a DVD can do most things well for which one uses live media. Testing of a distro is a whole panoply of special cases frequently changing. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Add Gparted into Live's
On Sat, 2014-08-09 at 02:33 +0430, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: GParted provides a number of essential features users might need, some of which are not provided even by any command line tools in Fedora repositories: resizing and moving partitions/filesystems. And something like resizing FAT partitions is what I have not seen in any other tools in Fedora repositories except kde-partitionmanager. Anaconda provides resizing facility, but not move. Also, I'm not sure if Anaconda can resize FAT partitions. Hi Hedayat, gparted should not be included because it's an advanced tool for technical users, whereas Fedora Workstation needs to contain only tools that are easy for everyone to use. Keep in mind that programs included in the live image will also wind up on the installed system. Michael signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Add Gparted into Live's
Unfortunately gparted is the only way to repair a usb stick dd'd with fedora. Need to use gparted's create a new mbr and formatting it fat32, boot flag set. The included disks does not seem to have this feature. This is needed for fedora liveusb-creator GUI to create a bootable live USB stick. On 8/8/2014 5:07 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Sat, 2014-08-09 at 02:33 +0430, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: GParted provides a number of essential features users might need, some of which are not provided even by any command line tools in Fedora repositories: resizing and moving partitions/filesystems. And something like resizing FAT partitions is what I have not seen in any other tools in Fedora repositories except kde-partitionmanager. Anaconda provides resizing facility, but not move. Also, I'm not sure if Anaconda can resize FAT partitions. Hi Hedayat, gparted should not be included because it's an advanced tool for technical users, whereas Fedora Workstation needs to contain only tools that are easy for everyone to use. Keep in mind that programs included in the live image will also wind up on the installed system. Michael -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Add Gparted into Live's
Not to be pedantic, but this seems a little redundant. You're talking about creating a live image when you're already booted under a live image. Or am I misunderstanding something here? On 08/08/2014 05:30 PM, Thomas Gilliard wrote: Unfortunately gparted is the only way to repair a usb stick dd'd with fedora. Need to use gparted's create a new mbr and formatting it fat32, boot flag set. The included disks does not seem to have this feature. This is needed for fedora liveusb-creator GUI to create a bootable live USB stick. On 8/8/2014 5:07 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Sat, 2014-08-09 at 02:33 +0430, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: GParted provides a number of essential features users might need, some of which are not provided even by any command line tools in Fedora repositories: resizing and moving partitions/filesystems. And something like resizing FAT partitions is what I have not seen in any other tools in Fedora repositories except kde-partitionmanager. Anaconda provides resizing facility, but not move. Also, I'm not sure if Anaconda can resize FAT partitions. Hi Hedayat, gparted should not be included because it's an advanced tool for technical users, whereas Fedora Workstation needs to contain only tools that are easy for everyone to use. Keep in mind that programs included in the live image will also wind up on the installed system. Michael -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Add Gparted into Live's
On Thu, 2014-07-31 at 20:38 -0400, Corey Sheldon wrote: F20 has it If you mean the Desktop Live image [1], it doesn't include gparted. Regards, Tadej [1] http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/20/Live/x86_64/Fedora-Live-Desktop-x86_64-20-1.iso -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Add Gparted into Live's
Hi! On Thu, 2014-07-31 at 16:40 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Ankur Sinha sanjay.an...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-07-31 at 12:43 +0100, Álvaro Castillo wrote: Could add Gparted please? I think the desktop/workstation live includes the disks utility which has most if not all functionality that gparted does. I'm not sure of the other live images. Well yum install gparted works just fine on the live media ... live media are not as static as people think. Maybe it's unfair to the Disks utility, but when I partition my SSD drives, I tend to trust GParted more, since it clearly shows the Align: MiB option when creating a new partition. Otherwise, I agree that one partitioning utility is enough for the Desktop Live image. Regards, Tadej -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Add Gparted into Live's
Dear Fedora Team, I pray to God. Could Fedora live have CD/DVD/USB Gparted by default? Could add Gparted please? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Add Gparted into Live's
On Thu, 2014-07-31 at 12:43 +0100, Álvaro Castillo wrote: Dear Fedora Team, I pray to God. Could Fedora live have CD/DVD/USB Gparted by default? Could add Gparted please? I think the desktop/workstation live includes the disks utility which has most if not all functionality that gparted does. I'm not sure of the other live images. -- Thanks, Warm regards, Ankur (FranciscoD) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha Join Fedora! Come talk to us! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Join_SIG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Add Gparted into Live's
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Ankur Sinha sanjay.an...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-07-31 at 12:43 +0100, Álvaro Castillo wrote: Dear Fedora Team, I pray to God. Could Fedora live have CD/DVD/USB Gparted by default? Could add Gparted please? I think the desktop/workstation live includes the disks utility which has most if not all functionality that gparted does. I'm not sure of the other live images. Well yum install gparted works just fine on the live media ... live media are not as static as people think. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Add Gparted into Live's
On 07/31/2014 09:40 AM, drago01 wrote: Well yum install gparted works just fine on the live media ... live media are not as static as people think. There's also the option of just building your own media. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Add Gparted into Live's
On Jul 31, 2014 7:44 PM, Álvaro Castillo net...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Dear Fedora Team, I pray to God. Could Fedora live have CD/DVD/USB Gparted by default? Could add Gparted please? You should provide us a reasonable explanation as the essential precondition for the request. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Add Gparted into Live's
F20 has it Corey W Sheldon Owner, 1st Class Mobile Shine 310.909.7672 www.facebook.com/1stclassmobileshine On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Álvaro Castillo net...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Dear Fedora Team, I pray to God. Could Fedora live have CD/DVD/USB Gparted by default? Could add Gparted please? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
