Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-05 Thread Pete Zaitcev
On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:09:21 +0100 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: if you are working the whole month on a different component and give no single feedback to a new reported bug you are ending in frustrated submitters - if they get a assigned they do not feel ignored This is going

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 17:55, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On 03/02/2012 10:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: * writing the systemd-unit takes 2 minutes for postfix * no need for package anything, install put it locally in /etc/systemd/system * so testing takes another 3 minutes, no compile needed This

Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the hundreds and is heavily depended on maintainers responsiveness. For me to start enacting the non responsive maintainers policy is a tremendous work thus I'm wondering if there is something preventing us from automating the non

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 03/02/2012 11:20 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the hundreds and is heavily depended on maintainers responsiveness. For me to start enacting the non responsive maintainers policy is a tremendous work thus I'm wondering if

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 11:02 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Ok, so you'll automatically start non-responsive maintainer process, because maintainer didn't work on a one bug. But he might be working on different component for whole month. He might be working on a new upstream release and not paying

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 2.3.2012 12:02, Marcela Mašláňová napsal(a): On 03/02/2012 11:20 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the hundreds and is heavily depended on maintainers responsiveness. For me to start enacting the non responsive maintainers

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 12:20:10 PM Subject: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy I am a feature owner for a feature

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 03/02/2012 12:12 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 03/02/2012 11:02 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Ok, so you'll automatically start non-responsive maintainer process, because maintainer didn't work on a one bug. But he might be working on different component for whole month. He might be

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the hundreds and is heavily depended on maintainers responsiveness. For me to start enacting the non responsive maintainers policy is a tremendous work thus I'm wondering if there is something preventing us from

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 11:16 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Actually I support such initiative. We have also filled a few bugs against Ruby components which needs some love due to Ruby update and it happens that we have no response. If there would be tool that reports yes, the maintainer was active in some

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 1:57:11 PM Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy On 03/02/2012 12:52 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: - Original Message

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Matthias Runge
On 02/03/12 12:52, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: If a maintainer doesn't respond to a bug repord with the status new in a week - give commit rights to the reporter in pkgdb so he/she can fix it himself. I kind a' like this proposal. You're speaking of current package maintainers getting commit

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 2.3.2012 12:56, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson napsal(a): On 03/02/2012 11:16 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Actually I support such initiative. We have also filled a few bugs against Ruby components which needs some love due to Ruby update and it happens that we have no response. If there would be

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Matthias Runge
On 02/03/12 12:53, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: I'm afraid we end up with more bureaucracy than we have now. I'm not against tracking some statistics, so you can look up who is active and probably will answer in few days, but I'd rather not use it for the unresponsive process. Marcela I'm

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 03/02/2012 01:00 PM, Matthias Runge wrote: On 02/03/12 12:52, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: If a maintainer doesn't respond to a bug repord with the status new in a week - give commit rights to the reporter in pkgdb so he/she can fix it himself. I kind a' like this proposal. You're speaking

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 2.3.2012 12:52, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a): - Original Message - From: Jóhann B. Guðmundssonjohan...@gmail.com To: Development discussions related to Fedoradevel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 12:20:10 PM Subject: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Matthias Runge mru...@matthias-runge.de To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:00:32 PM Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy On 02/03/12 12:52, Aleksandar

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 11:47 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Some developers prefer ignore it until they have time. Why should I write yes, yes, it's broken, I'll look at it next month. That's not helping anyway. I disagree it certainly does matter. For example let's take these two [1] [2] bugs that are

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Matthias Runge
On 02/03/12 13:10, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: What about bug reporter being unable to fix the mentioned bug? Oh no. I'm mean unable to fix because of missing knowledge, not unable because of missing commit rights. I might file a bug against kernel, but I'm definitely not the right person to

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 03/02/2012 02:00 PM, Matthias Runge wrote: On 02/03/12 12:52, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: If a maintainer doesn't respond to a bug repord with the status new in a week - give commit rights to the reporter in pkgdb so he/she can fix it himself. I kind a' like this proposal. You're speaking

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 11:52 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: So I would make a contra-proposal. If a maintainer doesn't respond to a bug repord with the status new in a week - give commit rights to the reporter in pkgdb so he/she can fix it himself. I really think this is way more fare and people that

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Matthias Runge mru...@matthias-runge.de To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:05:07 PM Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy On 02/03/12 12:53, Marcela Mašláňová

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 03/02/2012 01:13 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 03/02/2012 11:47 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Some developers prefer ignore it until they have time. Why should I write yes, yes, it's broken, I'll look at it next month. That's not helping anyway. I disagree it certainly does matter.

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Matthias Runge mru...@matthias-runge.de To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:15:51 PM Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy On 02/03/12 13:10, Aleksandar

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 12:21 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Units again:) Are you trying create some metrics because of units on whole distribution? It simply won't fit to all groups. No I'm only using units or rather the systemd migration process since i'm most familiar with it. ( been doing it for 3

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:16:28 PM Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy On 03/02/2012 11:52 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: So I would make a contra

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Matthias Runge
On 02/03/12 13:06, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Yes, I would be afraid that reporters won't be able to fix it properly. Even if I'm a provenpackager, I don't commit into packages not related to mine. Yes, I guess, that's a more general problem. But since we have proven packagers, they might jump in

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:27:04 PM Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy - Original Message

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Matthias Runge
On 02/03/12 13:24, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: Well, the whole idea came in a second so someone should refine it. FWIW the period should be long enough - in my eyes not less than a months so if noone responded in like 3 months the fix would no longer be at least quick. And as always we trust

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 12:27 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: Well, Fedora ships packages. I might be stupid but would someone please explain me how can one deliver fixed/improved packages to users without do at least a bit of packaging work. I don't see a way this to happen. Spec files are no rocket

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Matthias Runge mru...@matthias-runge.de To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:34:11 PM Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy On 02/03/12 13:24, Aleksandar

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Vít Ondruch
. You read the Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy as remove the original maintainer or punish him but it might be very well read in opposite way, exactly as you proposed. There is no need for drama. Vit Alex Alex -- Matthias Rungemru...@matthias-runge.de mru

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 12:03 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Are the changes enforced? I don't think so ... Interesting which begs the question to which purpose do the guideline serve if no one is actually making sure that it's being followed? JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Matthias Runge
On 02/03/12 13:16, Panu Matilainen wrote: Not to mention bug reporter not necessarily understanding the full consequences of a change - change that might look trivial but has world-breaking effects. And FWIW, four week vacations are common in this part of the world... - Panu -

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:34:10 PM Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy On 03/02/2012 12:27 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: Well, Fedora ships packages

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Matthias Runge
On 02/03/12 13:37, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: I really have no idea nor I would have the time to deal with such thing anytime soon as it will also require development work if accepted. The current process works fine for me. I just wanted to show that there are better way than throwing out

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:37:53 PM Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy Dne 2.3.2012 13:19, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a): - Original Message

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
read the Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy as remove the original maintainer or punish him but it might be very well read in opposite way, exactly as you proposed. There is no need for drama. This was meant to be read as Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 2.3.2012 13:47, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a): - Original Message - From: Vít Ondruchvondr...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:37:53 PM Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy Dne 2.3.2012 13:19, Aleksandar Kurtakov

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:54:52 PM Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy Dne 2.3.2012 13:47, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a): - Original Message

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 3:08:26 PM Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy - Original Message

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 12:41 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: Nope, if you are a packager already and you have a unit file you want to push in my package just ask me about commit rights via pkgdb and a mail explaining it and I'll definetely approve your request and I'm pretty sure that a number of

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/02/2012 12:12 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 03/02/2012 11:02 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Ok, so you'll automatically start non-responsive maintainer process, because maintainer didn't work on a one bug. But he might be working on different component for whole month. He might be

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 01:34 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: I other words, all is proposal would be doing is to cause bureaucratic churn. Well it only causes bureaucratic churn or otherwise inconvenience for non responding maintainers as in maintainers that do not respond to a report in timely manner +

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 03:21 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Process looks like this: * Guidelines updated * Someone notices that the package does not follow the guidelines (Note that this step does not require that the Guidelines were updated... the packaging bug could have been missed during review

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 12:16:28 +, \Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\ johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/02/2012 11:52 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: So I would make a contra-proposal. If a maintainer doesn't respond to a bug repord with the status new in a week - give commit rights to the

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 12:02, schrieb Marcela Mašláňová: Ok, so you'll automatically start non-responsive maintainer process, because maintainer didn't work on a one bug. But he might be working on different component for whole month. He might be working on a new upstream release and not paying

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 12:34:10 +, \Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\ johan...@gmail.com wrote: One way to achieve that would be that one could do so by becoming proven packager through some kind of mentoring process ( which does not exist btw ) I would think. I would think the implied process

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 12:47, schrieb Marcela Mašláňová: Some developers prefer ignore it until they have time. Why should I write yes, yes, it's broken, I'll look at it next month. That's not helping anyway. IT DOES HELP it is a hughe difference for a bugreporter if he feels a month ignored or

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 13:00, schrieb Matthias Runge: On 02/03/12 12:52, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: If a maintainer doesn't respond to a bug repord with the status new in a week - give commit rights to the reporter in pkgdb so he/she can fix it himself. I kind a' like this proposal. You're

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 03/02/2012 04:27 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 03/02/2012 03:21 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Process looks like this: * Guidelines updated * Someone notices that the package does not follow the guidelines (Note that this step does not require that the Guidelines were updated...

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Karel Zak
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 10:20:10AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the hundreds and is heavily depended on maintainers responsiveness. For me to start enacting the non responsive maintainers policy is a tremendous work thus

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 13:55:11 +, \Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\ johan...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a packager already nor can I become one since I dont want to maintain a single package in the distribution since it does not scratch my ich but I would like to be able to fix things if I do come

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:09:00 PM Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy Am 02.03.2012 13:00, schrieb

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 16:47, schrieb Karel Zak: On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 10:20:10AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the hundreds and is heavily depended on maintainers responsiveness. For me to start enacting the non responsive

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 03:47 PM, Karel Zak wrote: What's your project boy? .. create a huge collection of dirty words?;-) Sorry not following where you are going with this? IMHO it's bad idea. Why do you think it's a bad idea automating a process that is now done manually? JBG -- devel

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Karel Zak
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 01:09:00PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: you are missing the differences between ignored, assigend and fixed where did you see a line that a bug must be fixed in whatever time? you did not because it is not there the point is that if a reporter takes time to file a

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 03:45 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: You are looking for re-review of packages mentioned many times before. But we have problems to find reviewers for new one, so I don't believe we would find enough people for this. If it's an manual process sure I can understand why it's hard to

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Thomas Moschny
Am 2. März 2012 16:56 schrieb Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net: what are all these maintainers doing? it takes exactly 5 minutes to write a systemd-unit for most services Some packages need a bit more love, especially when the sysv init scripts did more than just starting / stopping a

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Karel Zak
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 04:13:44PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Why do you think it's a bad idea automating a process that is now done manually? because: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers * After 2 attempts of no contact, the reporter asks if

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 04:23 PM, Thomas Moschny wrote: Am 2. März 2012 16:56 schrieb Reindl Haraldh.rei...@thelounge.net: what are all these maintainers doing? it takes exactly 5 minutes to write a systemd-unit for most services Some packages need a bit more love, especially when the sysv init scripts

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 5:56:10 PM Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy Am 02.03.2012 16:47, schrieb Karel Zak

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 04:29 PM, Karel Zak wrote: On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 04:13:44PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Why do you think it's a bad idea automating a process that is now done manually? because: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers * After 2

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/02/2012 10:04 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Yes the automation would just automate these steps ending with posting the formal request to devel for fesco to pick up. The best way to convince people is to actually just do it. Post a script and show that it can be done. Rahul --

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 04:42 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Yes the automation would just automate these steps ending with posting the formal request to devel for fesco to pick up. The best way to convince people is to actually just do it. Post a script and show that it can be done. Do we have

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 17:20, schrieb Karel Zak: On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 01:09:00PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: you are missing the differences between ignored, assigend and fixed where did you see a line that a bug must be fixed in whatever time? you did not because it is not there the point is

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 17:23, schrieb Thomas Moschny: Am 2. März 2012 16:56 schrieb Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net: what are all these maintainers doing? it takes exactly 5 minutes to write a systemd-unit for most services Some packages need a bit more love, especially when the sysv init

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 17:35, schrieb Aleksandar Kurtakov: it takes exactly 5 minutes to write a systemd-unit for most services like postfix/dbmail and nothing happens, even not if the one you called boy submits patches, unit-files and pinging maintainers since 3 releases with the result get ignored

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/02/2012 10:15 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 03/02/2012 04:42 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Yes the automation would just automate these steps ending with posting the formal request to devel for fesco to pick up. The best way to convince people is to actually just do it. Post

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 6:45:24 PM Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy On 03/02/2012 04:42 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Yes the automation would just

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Cc: Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 6:45:14 PM Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/02/2012 10:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: * writing the systemd-unit takes 2 minutes for postfix * no need for package anything, install put it locally in /etc/systemd/system * so testing takes another 3 minutes, no compile needed This timeline is not reasonable. It typically takes half an

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 04:49 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: What access do you need? If you need something to test and you don't have access, run your own instance. Here you assume that people have enough hw or vm capable hardware to do so which is not in my case. And this only requires copying the

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.03.2012 17:55, schrieb Aleksandar Kurtakov: Have you ever thought that for number of people this systemd units might be something they know nothing about and they need to spend time on it? have you ever thought that i wrote the systemd-units for nearly all relevant services on my

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 04:55 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: This timeline is not reasonable. It typically takes half an hour to an hour to write and test it properly Add another half an hour for an individual not familiar with the spec file making the necessary adjustments to the spec file and test rebuild

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 03:27:24PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 03/02/2012 03:21 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Process looks like this: * Guidelines updated * Someone notices that the package does not follow the guidelines (Note that this step does not require that the Guidelines

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 6:56:47 PM Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy On 03/02/2012 04:49 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: What access do you need? If you

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/02/2012 10:26 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 03/02/2012 04:49 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: What access do you need? If you need something to test and you don't have access, run your own instance. Here you assume that people have enough hw or vm capable hardware to do so which is

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/02/2012 10:45 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: for a simple service like postfix or dbmail? surely not! I disagree. i even sent a bunlde of systemd-units to the devel-list As I informed you at that time, sending a bundle is not very useful. You

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 05:10 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Again, what access do you need and who have you asked for it? It's pretty obvious that this is a proposal I made today thus I have asked no one for it nor can I since infrastructure has made it clear to me when I asked them to fix my user

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/02/2012 10:53 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 03/02/2012 05:10 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Again, what access do you need and who have you asked for it? It's pretty obvious that this is a proposal I made today thus I have asked no one for it nor can I since infrastructure has made it

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 05:29 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: That was completely uncalled for. I disagree I know for a fact that you are well aware of the EOL and other script that is used with bugzilla so you were well aware this was technically achievable and you then your self go about asking me to

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, March 2, 2012, 12:23:51 PM, Jóhann wrote: On 03/02/2012 05:10 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Again, what access do you need and who have you asked for it? It's pretty obvious that this is a proposal I made today thus I have asked no one for it nor can I since infrastructure has made it

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/02/2012 11:20 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 03/02/2012 05:29 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: That was completely uncalled for. I disagree Let me put in another way then. Cut that out. Talking about your world vs my world makes it personal not to mention sarcastic there is zero room

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Lets drop this subthread please? I don't think it's doing anyone any good to see you two hitting back and forth. If you must, take it to private email? kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 10:20:10AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: An bugzilla script that acts something like if maintainer has not responded to a bug report with the status new in a week ( or some other time ) the non responsive maintainers policy automatically starts taking effect.

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Karel Zak (k...@redhat.com) said: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers * After 2 attempts of no contact, the reporter asks if anyone knows how to contact the maintainer. * After another 7 days, the reporter posts a formal request to the

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 13:53:55 -0500, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: 2) It doesn't solve the problem of a non-responsive maintainer where the requester *DOESN'T* want to take over the package. For example, just because I might have a an issue getting a needed change into

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 13:53:55 -0500 Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Karel Zak (k...@redhat.com) said: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers * After 2 attempts of no contact, the reporter asks if anyone knows how to contact the maintainer.

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread drago01
2012/3/2 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com: I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the hundreds and is heavily depended on maintainers responsiveness. For me to start enacting the non responsive maintainers policy is a tremendous work thus I'm wondering if there

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/02/2012 07:34 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Related to this, Pierre-YvesChibon wrote a tool to check a bunch of things for a fedora account, so you could at least see if someone was still active in some areas while not in others: https://github.com/pypingou/fedora-active-user If you are running

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
this would instantly take effect which is not the case here. We are just talking about automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy as is so instead of an reporter to manually perform these steps ( which they can perform at any time now btw ) those steps would be automated... JBG -- devel mailing

Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy

2012-03-02 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Friday, March 2, 2012, 4:21:13 PM, Jóhann wrote: Some people seem to be confusing this like this would instantly take effect which is not the case here. We are just talking about automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy as is so instead of an reporter to manually perform these steps