Re: Big change to free maxmind GeoLite2 databases, limiting distribution
Once upon a time, Dave Dykstra said: > And whoever maintains RPM Fusion would have to ensure somehow that all > users of the rpm update within 30 days ... Seriously, I don't think > anybody can put the data up on a server with no per-user authentication > without violating the license. Not really. Basically, there's no practical way for anybody to continue to redistribute the database (I don't think RPM Fusion would/should do it, the license it not acceptable to them either). The only database that can be redistributed is the last free database, from December 2019. However, the software that uses that database can still be redistributed under Open Source licenses. Fedora could keep distributing the software, especially since it's a compile-time dependency of some things (like BIND has GeoIP functionality, but only if named is compiled against the MaxMind library). If Fedora wants to keep distributing a database, the last free version from December would be okay as a reference, although it'll get out of date over time. IMHO this seems like an over-reaction by MaxMind, but they pay their lawyers to protect them (and presumably they know the California law), so I guess that's that. IMHO if you want the right to be forgotten for your IP address' geographic location, the answer should be you don't get an Internet IP address anymore. -- Chris Adams ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Big change to free maxmind GeoLite2 databases, limiting distribution
And whoever maintains RPM Fusion would have to ensure somehow that all users of the rpm update within 30 days ... Seriously, I don't think anybody can put the data up on a server with no per-user authentication without violating the license. Dave On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 05:31:48PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > In this case geolite2 packages can be moved to RPM Fusion. > > It would have to be in the nonfree section, and everything depending on it > directly or indirectly would also have to move from Fedora to RPM Fusion > nonfree. > > Kevin Kofler > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Big change to free maxmind GeoLite2 databases, limiting distribution
Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > In this case geolite2 packages can be moved to RPM Fusion. It would have to be in the nonfree section, and everything depending on it directly or indirectly would also have to move from Fedora to RPM Fusion nonfree. Kevin Kofler ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Big change to free maxmind GeoLite2 databases, limiting distribution
On 07.01.2020 16:16, Kevin Kofler wrote: > To me, it looks crystal clear that the new licensing conditions are not > acceptable for Fedora. In this case geolite2 packages can be moved to RPM Fusion. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org) ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Big change to free maxmind GeoLite2 databases, limiting distribution
Dave Dykstra wrote: > I see that currently Fedora rawhide gets new geolite2-*-YYYMMDD packages > (e.g. geolite2-city-20191217) each month in order to distribute the free > maxmind geo IP databases. Unfortunately, Maxmind just greatly tightened > down on the license for these data distributions and I think that Fedora > will no longer be able to distribute them. The databases may still be > downloaded for free, and they may be freely redistributed, but anybody > who does so must ensure that everybody that they distribute to updates > their database within 30 days after Maxmind updates them, and destroys > all old copies. Here's the blog entry where they announced the change, > late in December, effective the end of 2019, saying that they had to do > it because of privacy laws: > > https://blog.maxmind.com/2019/12/18/significant-changes-to-accessing-and-using-geolite2-databases/ > > Anybody may sign up for an account and free license key, but they have to > agree to The new End User License Agreement with the new stipulations. > https://www.maxmind.com/en/geolite2/eula To me, it looks crystal clear that the new licensing conditions are not acceptable for Fedora. > I welcome any suggestions for good alternative sources of geo IP data > that doesn't have these kinds of restrictions and also believes they can > adhere to the privacy laws without requiring a license key. Would forking the database be an option? But then how do we determine required changes? In any case, we should talk to other distros, who will undoubtedly be running into the same issue. Especially those that really care about freedom, such as Debian, such as the FSF-endorsed distros, etc. Kevin Kofler ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Big change to free maxmind GeoLite2 databases, limiting distribution
FWIW, I am investigating the geolite2 license situation with Red Hat. Thanks, Tom On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 4:45 PM Dave Dykstra wrote: > I see that currently Fedora rawhide gets new geolite2-*-YYYMMDD packages > (e.g. geolite2-city-20191217) each month in order to distribute the free > maxmind geo IP databases. Unfortunately, Maxmind just greatly tightened > down on the license for these data distributions and I think that Fedora > will no longer be able to distribute them. The databases may still be > downloaded for free, and they may be freely redistributed, but anybody > who does so must ensure that everybody that they distribute to updates > their database within 30 days after Maxmind updates them, and destroys > all old copies. Here's the blog entry where they announced the change, > late in December, effective the end of 2019, saying that they had to do > it because of privacy laws: > > https://blog.maxmind.com/2019/12/18/significant-changes-to-accessing-and-using-geolite2-databases/ > > Anybody may sign up for an account and free license key, but they have to > agree to The new End User License Agreement with the new stipulations. > https://www.maxmind.com/en/geolite2/eula > > I welcome any suggestions for good alternative sources of geo IP data > that doesn't have these kinds of restrictions and also believes they can > adhere to the privacy laws without requiring a license key. > > Dave > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Big change to free maxmind GeoLite2 databases, limiting distribution
I see that currently Fedora rawhide gets new geolite2-*-YYYMMDD packages (e.g. geolite2-city-20191217) each month in order to distribute the free maxmind geo IP databases. Unfortunately, Maxmind just greatly tightened down on the license for these data distributions and I think that Fedora will no longer be able to distribute them. The databases may still be downloaded for free, and they may be freely redistributed, but anybody who does so must ensure that everybody that they distribute to updates their database within 30 days after Maxmind updates them, and destroys all old copies. Here's the blog entry where they announced the change, late in December, effective the end of 2019, saying that they had to do it because of privacy laws: https://blog.maxmind.com/2019/12/18/significant-changes-to-accessing-and-using-geolite2-databases/ Anybody may sign up for an account and free license key, but they have to agree to The new End User License Agreement with the new stipulations. https://www.maxmind.com/en/geolite2/eula I welcome any suggestions for good alternative sources of geo IP data that doesn't have these kinds of restrictions and also believes they can adhere to the privacy laws without requiring a license key. Dave ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
