Re: CPE Weekly: 2020-09-20

2020-10-13 Thread Clement Verna 
On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 at 22:10, Aoife Moloney  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 2:58 PM Clement Verna 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 at 10:09, Fabio Valentini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 10:33 PM Aoife Moloney 
>>> wrote:
>>> >  GitLab
>>> > Thank you so much to everyone for adding your questions to the doc for
>>> > the GitLab AMA session on Thursday 10th September, and for your
>>> > attendance on the day during the call.
>>> > Here is the full AMA transcript
>>> >
>>> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-09-10/ama_session_with_gitlab.2020-09-10-13.31.log.html
>>> > however it is a bit confusing to read so we got a few great
>>> > suggestions to have dedicted topics like Message Bus and Branching,
>>> > etc go out to the devel lists to discuss. I'm happy to start this next
>>> > week, but I will collect the questions related to each topic and
>>> > propose a cadence to send them out first to discuss, so people dont
>>> > miss mails and know the week ending 2nd October will be (for example)
>>> > the topic of Group Permissions - What do you think?
>>> > GitLab have also agreed to answer the questions, we have asked them to
>>> > do so within 2 weeks of the AMA so as soon as this is complete I will
>>> > let you know so you can read through them on the hackmd link.
>>> > The link is here where we asked you to contribute your questions and I
>>> > will be posting answers once we have them underneath
>>> > https://hackmd.io/RW8HahOeR7OJPON1dwuo3w
>>> > I really appreciate your involvement with this as we begin to dig
>>> > deeper into how this might play out next year and what way it should
>>> > for everyone's benefit.
>>>
>>> So ... it's now over a month since the AMA, and none of those things
>>> have actually happened yet?
>>>
>>
>> There is a community blog post coming up, it was supposed to be published
>> last week, but I have not gotten the time to add answers to the hackmd
>>
>
Community blog post was published today :-)
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/gitlab-ama-follow-up/


>
>>
>>> No answers from GitLab? No updated hackmd document? No devel list
>>>
>>
>> This is coming after that blog post.
>>
>
> I can share some dates now that things have been updated over the last few
> days.
> The blog post is scheduled for publishing on Friday 16th Oct. We wanted to
> include a link to the completed hackmd in the post too so until that was
> done we needed to hold off. And that's since been worked on by Clement
> (thanks Clement!) who was waiting on GitLab to provide the answers, which
> they finished doing so last week (thanks to the people over there!). Ben
> Cotton has put the blog together (thanks Ben!) and has been waiting on me
> to add my piece to it yet. Its been on my todo so sorry for the delay here.
> Then next Friday, 23rd October, I would like to start sending a weekly
> 'topic' to the devel lists with the grouped questions and answers from the
> hackmd doc for more specific discussion.
> I hope that makes sense to everyone. That way posts and emails are not
> lost if they come out in a staggered format.
>
>>
>>
>>> posts for dedicated topics?
>>> I can't say I'm surprised, but I'm disappointed. Again.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry if that is taking to much time and does not meet your expectations.
>>
>
> I can only echo Clements statement here. We are all only human and trying
> our best. I do understand it can be frustrating though, I totally
> acknowledge that, so thank you for your patience as it is appreciated.
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Fabio
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>
>
> Thanks as always,
> Aoife
>
>>
>
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> Aoife Moloney
>
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>
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Re: CPE Weekly: 2020-09-20

2020-10-12 Thread Aoife Moloney 
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 2:58 PM Clement Verna 
wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 at 10:09, Fabio Valentini 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 10:33 PM Aoife Moloney 
>> wrote:
>> >  GitLab
>> > Thank you so much to everyone for adding your questions to the doc for
>> > the GitLab AMA session on Thursday 10th September, and for your
>> > attendance on the day during the call.
>> > Here is the full AMA transcript
>> >
>> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-09-10/ama_session_with_gitlab.2020-09-10-13.31.log.html
>> > however it is a bit confusing to read so we got a few great
>> > suggestions to have dedicted topics like Message Bus and Branching,
>> > etc go out to the devel lists to discuss. I'm happy to start this next
>> > week, but I will collect the questions related to each topic and
>> > propose a cadence to send them out first to discuss, so people dont
>> > miss mails and know the week ending 2nd October will be (for example)
>> > the topic of Group Permissions - What do you think?
>> > GitLab have also agreed to answer the questions, we have asked them to
>> > do so within 2 weeks of the AMA so as soon as this is complete I will
>> > let you know so you can read through them on the hackmd link.
>> > The link is here where we asked you to contribute your questions and I
>> > will be posting answers once we have them underneath
>> > https://hackmd.io/RW8HahOeR7OJPON1dwuo3w
>> > I really appreciate your involvement with this as we begin to dig
>> > deeper into how this might play out next year and what way it should
>> > for everyone's benefit.
>>
>> So ... it's now over a month since the AMA, and none of those things
>> have actually happened yet?
>>
>
> There is a community blog post coming up, it was supposed to be published
> last week, but I have not gotten the time to add answers to the hackmd
>
>
>> No answers from GitLab? No updated hackmd document? No devel list
>>
>
> This is coming after that blog post.
>

I can share some dates now that things have been updated over the last few
days.
The blog post is scheduled for publishing on Friday 16th Oct. We wanted to
include a link to the completed hackmd in the post too so until that was
done we needed to hold off. And that's since been worked on by Clement
(thanks Clement!) who was waiting on GitLab to provide the answers, which
they finished doing so last week (thanks to the people over there!). Ben
Cotton has put the blog together (thanks Ben!) and has been waiting on me
to add my piece to it yet. Its been on my todo so sorry for the delay here.
Then next Friday, 23rd October, I would like to start sending a weekly
'topic' to the devel lists with the grouped questions and answers from the
hackmd doc for more specific discussion.
I hope that makes sense to everyone. That way posts and emails are not lost
if they come out in a staggered format.

>
>
>> posts for dedicated topics?
>> I can't say I'm surprised, but I'm disappointed. Again.
>>
>
> Sorry if that is taking to much time and does not meet your expectations.
>

I can only echo Clements statement here. We are all only human and trying
our best. I do understand it can be frustrating though, I totally
acknowledge that, so thank you for your patience as it is appreciated.

>
>
>>
>> Fabio
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Thanks as always,
Aoife

>

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Community Platform Engineering Team

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Re: CPE Weekly: 2020-09-20

2020-10-12 Thread Clement Verna 
On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 at 10:09, Fabio Valentini  wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 10:33 PM Aoife Moloney 
> wrote:
> >  GitLab
> > Thank you so much to everyone for adding your questions to the doc for
> > the GitLab AMA session on Thursday 10th September, and for your
> > attendance on the day during the call.
> > Here is the full AMA transcript
> >
> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-09-10/ama_session_with_gitlab.2020-09-10-13.31.log.html
> > however it is a bit confusing to read so we got a few great
> > suggestions to have dedicted topics like Message Bus and Branching,
> > etc go out to the devel lists to discuss. I'm happy to start this next
> > week, but I will collect the questions related to each topic and
> > propose a cadence to send them out first to discuss, so people dont
> > miss mails and know the week ending 2nd October will be (for example)
> > the topic of Group Permissions - What do you think?
> > GitLab have also agreed to answer the questions, we have asked them to
> > do so within 2 weeks of the AMA so as soon as this is complete I will
> > let you know so you can read through them on the hackmd link.
> > The link is here where we asked you to contribute your questions and I
> > will be posting answers once we have them underneath
> > https://hackmd.io/RW8HahOeR7OJPON1dwuo3w
> > I really appreciate your involvement with this as we begin to dig
> > deeper into how this might play out next year and what way it should
> > for everyone's benefit.
>
> So ... it's now over a month since the AMA, and none of those things
> have actually happened yet?
>

There is a community blog post coming up, it was supposed to be published
last week, but I have not gotten the time to add answers to the hackmd


> No answers from GitLab? No updated hackmd document? No devel list
>

This is coming after that blog post.


> posts for dedicated topics?
> I can't say I'm surprised, but I'm disappointed. Again.
>

Sorry if that is taking to much time and does not meet your expectations.


>
> Fabio
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Re: CPE Weekly: 2020-09-20

2020-10-12 Thread Fabio Valentini 
On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 10:33 PM Aoife Moloney  wrote:
>  GitLab
> Thank you so much to everyone for adding your questions to the doc for
> the GitLab AMA session on Thursday 10th September, and for your
> attendance on the day during the call.
> Here is the full AMA transcript
> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-09-10/ama_session_with_gitlab.2020-09-10-13.31.log.html
> however it is a bit confusing to read so we got a few great
> suggestions to have dedicted topics like Message Bus and Branching,
> etc go out to the devel lists to discuss. I'm happy to start this next
> week, but I will collect the questions related to each topic and
> propose a cadence to send them out first to discuss, so people dont
> miss mails and know the week ending 2nd October will be (for example)
> the topic of Group Permissions - What do you think?
> GitLab have also agreed to answer the questions, we have asked them to
> do so within 2 weeks of the AMA so as soon as this is complete I will
> let you know so you can read through them on the hackmd link.
> The link is here where we asked you to contribute your questions and I
> will be posting answers once we have them underneath
> https://hackmd.io/RW8HahOeR7OJPON1dwuo3w
> I really appreciate your involvement with this as we begin to dig
> deeper into how this might play out next year and what way it should
> for everyone's benefit.

So ... it's now over a month since the AMA, and none of those things
have actually happened yet?
No answers from GitLab? No updated hackmd document? No devel list
posts for dedicated topics?
I can't say I'm surprised, but I'm disappointed. Again.

Fabio
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CPE Weekly: 2020-09-20

2020-09-20 Thread Aoife Moloney 
Hi Everyone,

Below is this week's CPE weekly for week ending 2020-09-20.

I found that if you want to skip to the hackmd, you can use the view
link https://hackmd.io/8iV7PilARSG68Tqv8CzKOQ?view and then use the
header bar on your left to skip to either the Fedora or CentOS
updates, whichever interest you.

I'll also be adjusting these updates in the coming weeks to make them
a bit more direct to consume. Thanks for giving me this feedback in
the CPE survey, I want to deliver value to you all, so it's great to
KNOW what you find valuable first hand :)


# CPE Weekly: 2020-08-14



## General Project Updates

As a reminder, below are the projects the CPE team are working on for
the months of July, August & September:
* Data Centre Move - Final Works
* CentOS Stream Phase 3
* Noggin Phase 3
* Packager Workflow Healthcare
* Fedora Messaging Schemas

We have recently held our Q4 planning session and the CPE review team,
Fedora, CentOS and RHEL BU have voted the following projects for
action in Q4, which is the months of October November & December:

*OSBS for aarch64
*Fedora-messaging schemas

We are continuing to work on CentOS Stream and Noggin and took these
projects as confirmed when looking at what other work our team could
realistically complete in the Q4 period, given that there's both
Thanksgiving and Christmas time off to consider, plus any time off our
team wishes to take.

The taiga cards of Noggin, CentOS Stream, OSBS for aarch64 and
fedora-messaging schemas will be updated next week with what our team
hopes to deliver in the next quarter on each of the projects.
Our project board is here (it's just not updated properly - yet)
https://tree.taiga.io/project/amoloney1-cpe-team-projects/kanban?epic=null


### Misc

 GitLab
Thank you so much to everyone for adding your questions to the doc for
the GitLab AMA session on Thursday 10th September, and for your
attendance on the day during the call.
Here is the full AMA transcript
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-09-10/ama_session_with_gitlab.2020-09-10-13.31.log.html
however it is a bit confusing to read so we got a few great
suggestions to have dedicted topics like Message Bus and Branching,
etc go out to the devel lists to discuss. I'm happy to start this next
week, but I will collect the questions related to each topic and
propose a cadence to send them out first to discuss, so people dont
miss mails and know the week ending 2nd October will be (for example)
the topic of Group Permissions - What do you think?
GitLab have also agreed to answer the questions, we have asked them to
do so within 2 weeks of the AMA so as soon as this is complete I will
let you know so you can read through them on the hackmd link.
The link is here where we asked you to contribute your questions and I
will be posting answers once we have them underneath
https://hackmd.io/RW8HahOeR7OJPON1dwuo3w
I really appreciate your involvement with this as we begin to dig
deeper into how this might play out next year and what way it should
for everyone's benefit.

## Project Updates
*The below updates are pulled directly from our CPE team call we have
every week.*
## Fedora
### General
* 6 of 8 Beta-blockers have fixes for F33 beta
* New release of fedscm_admin
* FMW mac and windows binaries are signed

### Staging Environment
* About 70% done installing vm’s (27 left out of 88)
* Still need to bring up aarch64/armv7/ppc64le builders
* Databases need syncing

### AAA Replacement
* The team are working on testing Ipsilon in Staging and adding OpenID
Connect Capability
* they are also testing fas2ipa migration script in tiny-stage and improve it
* Add Noggin to tiny-stage environment and test
* The teams kanban board where they track their work can be found here
https://github.com/orgs/fedora-infra/projects/6


### Fedora Messaging Schemas
* This project is on hold until Noggin completes.
* It will be resumed around December timeframe and is part of our Q4
workload to complete
* There is a list of applications that require messaging schemas can
be found here https://hackmd.io/@nilsph/H1i8CAbkP/edit
* There is a readme which contains documentation on messaging schemas,
a cookie-cutter template to create the schema and a definition of Done
for writing a schemas
https://github.com/fedora-infra/fedora-messaging-schemas-issues
* The board they are working from can be viewed here
https://github.com/orgs/fedora-infra/projects/7

### Packager Workflow Healthcare
* The team have been working on more improvements and fixes to the
monitor-gating
* These improvements have led to
* Finding a bug in our testing script
* Improved log messages
* We actually caught a problem! :)
* The data the team have been reviewing have been from April - July
and have already discovered that so far it looks like Pagure, koji and
bodhi work well
* We see some intermittent problems, but nothing too big, mostly
only spikes in runtime
* Fedora CI still