Re: Change proposal: make Change proposals more obvious

2022-04-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2022-04-29 at 08:57 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 6:01 PM Björn Persson wrote: > > > > Maybe spend two more letters and write "Proposal" instead of "Change"? > > That makes sense. "Change", in this usage, is a proper noun, so while > all proposals are changes, not

Re: Change proposal: make Change proposals more obvious

2022-04-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2022-04-28 at 15:36 +0200, Alexander Sosedkin wrote: > > Do nothing and let them embarrass themselves freely? > Their target audience is usually smart enough to see through that real quick. Not The Register's commentariat, anyway. The comments on the Reg article (which to be fair did use

Re: Change proposal: make Change proposals more obvious

2022-04-29 Thread Ben Cotton
On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 6:01 PM Björn Persson wrote: > > Maybe spend two more letters and write "Proposal" instead of "Change"? That makes sense. "Change", in this usage, is a proper noun, so while all proposals are changes, not all proposals are Changes. But given the context (and the fact that

Re: Change proposal: make Change proposals more obvious

2022-04-29 Thread JT
> Sadly, some of this is due to the "media" organization's need to drive page views and not journalistic ignorance of the facts that this is just a proposal. > I don't know how you fix the underlying revenue enhancement approaches that have driven hyperbole and attempts to drive engagement and

Re: Change proposal: make Change proposals more obvious

2022-04-28 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:59 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:51 AM Aleksandra Fedorova > wrote: > > > > Hi, Adam, > > > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 1:50 AM Adam Williamson > > wrote: > > > > > > OK, so this is a bit meta, but I couldn't resist :P > > > > > > Since the Fedora

Re: Change proposal: make Change proposals more obvious

2022-04-28 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 09:39:25AM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > I'd be open to putting some boilerplate at the beginning, although I'm > not convinced it would do much good for this particular problem. > Still, I doubt it would *hurt* anything. Aleksandra's suggestion is a > good approach. > > >

Re: Change proposal: make Change proposals more obvious

2022-04-28 Thread Björn Persson
Ben Cotton wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 9:01 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > We could also start the email subject with "CHANGE PROPOSAL" instead of > > "Change" > > I'm pretty sure I used to, but people were upset about how much space > it took in the subject so that you couldn't see what the

Re: Change proposal: make Change proposals more obvious

2022-04-28 Thread Ben Cotton
On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 10:02 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > 3. add something to the Change page template to show a banner as long as > it's not in approved state. Looking at the page, it's entirely not obvious > that this is just a proposal, unless you know exactly where to look

Re: Change proposal: make Change proposals more obvious

2022-04-28 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 09:39:25AM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > I'd be open to putting some boilerplate at the beginning, although I'm > not convinced it would do much good for this particular problem. > Still, I doubt it would *hurt* anything. Aleksandra's suggestion is a > good approach. > > >

Re: Change proposal: make Change proposals more obvious

2022-04-28 Thread Ben Cotton
I'd be open to putting some boilerplate at the beginning, although I'm not convinced it would do much good for this particular problem. Still, I doubt it would *hurt* anything. Aleksandra's suggestion is a good approach. On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 9:01 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > We could also start

Re: Change proposal: make Change proposals more obvious

2022-04-28 Thread Alexander Sosedkin
On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 3:33 PM Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:50 PM Adam Williamson > wrote: > > > Could we consider, in future, posting a clarification for journalists > > in flaming six-foot high letters (I exaggerate only slightly) at the > > top of *every* proposed

Re: Change proposal: make Change proposals more obvious

2022-04-28 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:50 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > Could we consider, in future, posting a clarification for journalists > in flaming six-foot high letters (I exaggerate only slightly) at the > top of *every* proposed Change page, and *every* official mail relating > to a proposed Change,

Re: Change proposal: make Change proposals more obvious

2022-04-28 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:51 AM Aleksandra Fedorova wrote: > > Hi, Adam, > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 1:50 AM Adam Williamson > wrote: > > > > OK, so this is a bit meta, but I couldn't resist :P > > > > Since the Fedora 37 proposed Changes got posted, we have got the now- > > inevitable round of

Re: Change proposal: make Change proposals more obvious

2022-04-28 Thread Aleksandra Fedorova
Hi, Adam, On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 1:50 AM Adam Williamson wrote: > > OK, so this is a bit meta, but I couldn't resist :P > > Since the Fedora 37 proposed Changes got posted, we have got the now- > inevitable round of news stories which talk about proposed Changes as > if they're approved

Change proposal: make Change proposals more obvious

2022-04-27 Thread Adam Williamson
OK, so this is a bit meta, but I couldn't resist :P Since the Fedora 37 proposed Changes got posted, we have got the now- inevitable round of news stories which talk about proposed Changes as if they're approved already, like this one: