Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-21 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Sunday 21 November 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ville Skyttä wrote: It probably did, and because the above is related to config files, leaving behind *.rpmorig is quite appropriate IMO. But leaving such cruft behind is not that fine for non-config files. Well, instead of a mv to

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-20 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ville Skyttä wrote: It probably did, and because the above is related to config files, leaving behind *.rpmorig is quite appropriate IMO. But leaving such cruft behind is not that fine for non-config files. Well, instead of a mv to rpmorig, a rm -rf could probably be used. Kevin

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-19 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
On 11/18/2010 01:59 PM, Panu Matilainen wrote: On Thu, 18 Nov 2010, Ville Skyttä wrote: On Wednesday 17 November 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ville Skyttä wrote: I'd get rid of the versioned javadoc dir altogether, and simply install to %{_javadocdir}/%{name}. Unversioned is good for

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-19 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Thursday 18 November 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote: Does this even need %pretrans at all? Rex Dieter used this in kde-settings- kdm: %pre kdm ## KDM fixup(s) # [snip similar hack for a moved/symlinked %config file] # handle %%_datadir/config/kdm - /etc/kde/kdm [ -d %{_datadir}/config/kdm -a

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-18 Thread Panu Matilainen
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010, Ville Skyttä wrote: On Wednesday 17 November 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ville Skyttä wrote: I'd get rid of the versioned javadoc dir altogether, and simply install to %{_javadocdir}/%{name}. Unversioned is good for bookmarking and javadoc crosslinking. One thing

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-18 Thread Kevin Kofler
Panu Matilainen wrote: It's not the script itself that's bad and bizarre, it's the entire %pretrans mechanism that's problematic. %pretrans runs before fingerprinting (this is required for the directory/symlink replacing tricks to work at all), which means that the transaction can abort due

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-17 Thread Mat Booth
On 17 November 2010 05:29, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Ville Skyttä wrote: I'd get rid of the versioned javadoc dir altogether, and simply install to %{_javadocdir}/%{name}.  Unversioned is good for bookmarking and javadoc crosslinking. One thing you have to be careful of, no

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-17 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 09:45:35AM +, Mat Booth wrote: On 17 November 2010 05:29, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Ville Skyttä wrote: I'd get rid of the versioned javadoc dir altogether, and simply install to %{_javadocdir}/%{name}.  Unversioned is good for bookmarking and

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-17 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Wednesday 17 November 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ville Skyttä wrote: I'd get rid of the versioned javadoc dir altogether, and simply install to %{_javadocdir}/%{name}. Unversioned is good for bookmarking and javadoc crosslinking. One thing you have to be careful of, no matter which

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ville Skyttä wrote: I'd get rid of the versioned javadoc dir altogether, and simply install to %{_javadocdir}/%{name}. Unversioned is good for bookmarking and javadoc crosslinking. One thing you have to be careful of, no matter which way you decide, is that you MUST NOT change a directory to

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-04 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 11/3/10 2:14 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: And it's unreasonable to expect those ISVs to change when Fedora has not managed to package a working JBoss. If the Red Hat Java packaging can not even be used with the top Red Hat Java product, what is there to say? (and on this subject, I

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-04 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Alexander Kurtakov wrote: There is no sane way to make javadoc crosslink in a sane way, i.e. without patching builds. That's why I would say let's postpone this until we can tell packagers HOWTO do it. I'm not against postponing as long as it's not forgotten

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-04 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: Java SIG has prepared changes in current Java packaging guidelines. We would welcome wider discussion/comments at this point. From our point of view guidelines seem ready for approval by FPC. You can see current version of draft

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
On 11/02/2010 05:11 PM, Ville Skyttä wrote: On Tuesday 02 November 2010, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: Java SIG has prepared changes in current Java packaging guidelines. We would welcome wider discussion/comments at this point. From our point of view guidelines seem ready for approval by FPC.

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: FYI the versionless jar/javadocs files are now in the draft (thanks for the suggestion, somehow none of us thought of that) Thanks for considering it. But keep those comments coming, we'll try to keep working on the guidelines to

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 19:27 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit : 3) In my opinion, the whole alternatives setup in the JRE and SDK packages should be purged. It's a relic from times that are long gone, Having a semi-sane way to install multi-vendor multi-version JVMs is still needed EPEL

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Ville Skyttä wrote: On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: FYI the versionless jar/javadocs files are now in the draft (thanks for the suggestion, somehow none of us thought of that) Thanks for considering it. But keep those

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 19:27 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit : 3) In my opinion, the whole alternatives setup in the JRE and SDK packages should be purged. It's a relic from times that are long gone, Having a semi-sane way to

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 21:32 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit : On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 19:27 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit : 3) In my opinion, the whole alternatives setup in the JRE and SDK packages should be purged. It's a

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 21:32 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit : On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 19:27 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit : 3) In my opinion, the whole alternatives setup

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 22:28 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit : On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 21:32 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit : On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 19:27 +0200,

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 22:28 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit : On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 21:32 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit : On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 19:27

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/3/10 2:14 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: And it's unreasonable to expect those ISVs to change when Fedora has not managed to package a working JBoss. If the Red Hat Java packaging can not even be used with the top Red Hat Java product, what is there to say? (and on this subject, I don't

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 11/3/10 2:14 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: And it's unreasonable to expect those ISVs to change when Fedora has not managed to package a working JBoss. If the Red Hat Java packaging can not even be used with the top Red Hat Java product, what is there to say? (and on this subject, I don't

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 14:35 -0700, Jesse Keating a écrit : On 11/3/10 2:14 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: And it's unreasonable to expect those ISVs to change when Fedora has not managed to package a working JBoss. If the Red Hat Java packaging can not even be used with the top Red Hat

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 23:54 +0200, Alexander Kurtakov a écrit : On 11/3/10 2:14 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: And it's unreasonable to expect those ISVs to change when Fedora has not managed to package a working JBoss. If the Red Hat Java packaging can not even be used with the

Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-02 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
Java SIG has prepared changes in current Java packaging guidelines. We would welcome wider discussion/comments at this point. From our point of view guidelines seem ready for approval by FPC. You can see current version of draft here:

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-02 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
SO == Stanislav Ochotnicky sochotni...@redhat.com writes: SO Java SIG has prepared changes in current Java packaging SO guidelines. We would welcome wider discussion/comments at this SO point. From our point of view guidelines seem ready for approval by SO FPC. Could we get a diff of these

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-02 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
SO == Stanislav Ochotnicky sochotni...@redhat.com writes: SO Java SIG has prepared changes in current Java packaging SO guidelines. It's terribly rude to crosspost to a list which simply rejects messages from non-subscribers. - J -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-02 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
On 11/02/2010 03:27 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: SO == Stanislav Ochotnicky sochotni...@redhat.com writes: SO Java SIG has prepared changes in current Java packaging SO guidelines. We would welcome wider discussion/comments at this SO point. From our point of view guidelines seem ready

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-02 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
On 11/02/2010 03:30 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: SO == Stanislav Ochotnicky sochotni...@redhat.com writes: SO Java SIG has prepared changes in current Java packaging SO guidelines. It's terribly rude to crosspost to a list which simply rejects messages from non-subscribers. I'll make

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-02 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
SO == Stanislav Ochotnicky sochotni...@redhat.com writes: SO Recently? I haven't heard of Java-specific guideline changes for SO past few months. Care to enlighten me? https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/13 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2010-October/000699.html - J

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-02 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
On 11/02/2010 04:10 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: SO == Stanislav Ochotnicky sochotni...@redhat.com writes: SO Recently? I haven't heard of Java-specific guideline changes for SO past few months. Care to enlighten me? https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/13

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-02 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Tuesday 02 November 2010, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: Java SIG has prepared changes in current Java packaging guidelines. We would welcome wider discussion/comments at this point. From our point of view guidelines seem ready for approval by FPC. You can see current version of draft here: