Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

On 23/09/15 00:09 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 22.09.2015 um 23:58 schrieb kendell clark: but I'm certainly not going to insist on it. I also need to figure out how to just reply to the list, rather than to the person who sent the message as well as the list get a mail-client which

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

hi I use thunderbird. I generally press control+shift+r to reply to all, including the list. There is a reply to list option, but all it seems to do is forward, so I'm not sure how. I'll investigate today since I've got some time on my hands. Thanks Kendell clark On 09/23/2015 10:41 AM, Jonathan

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

On 09/23/2015 12:25 PM, kendell clark wrote: hi I use thunderbird. I generally press control+shift+r to reply to all, including the list. There is a reply to list option, but all it seems to do is forward, so I'm not sure how. I'll investigate today since I've got some time on my hands. I use

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 09:56 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 15:51 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Thu, 17.09.15 20:59, Germano Massullo (germano.massu...@gmail.com) > > wrote: > > > > > Today I had a scary experience with the audio of my computer. > > > I was

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

hi Just a polite request. I'm having trouble following the thread because there are so many intermingled responses, with different bits of it quoted and commented on. Would everyone mind putting their responses either on the top or the bottom of the message? Top would be better for me, but I also

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 16:31 -0500, kendell clark wrote: > hi > Just a polite request. I'm having trouble following the thread because > there are so many intermingled responses, with different bits of it > quoted and commented on. Would everyone mind putting their responses > either on the top or

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

Am 22.09.2015 um 23:58 schrieb kendell clark: Oops? My apologies. I didn't mean to accuse anyone in particular of causing my problem. It makes it easier if someone either top or bottom posts no it does not, nobody needs the whole thread in each message see my reponse - the context is very

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

hi If this is true, then why have I had no luck getting PA developers to do anything? Not to complain, but I've been on their irc channel several time. If I get a response at all, it's to shrug and tell me to bug whatever app it is that's misbehaving. This is all well and good if the app is both

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

hi Oops? My apologies. I didn't mean to accuse anyone in particular of causing my problem. It makes it easier if someone either top or bottom posts, but I'm certainly not going to insist on it. I also need to figure out how to just reply to the list, rather than to the person who sent the message

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 16:58 -0500, kendell clark wrote: > hi > Oops? My apologies. I didn't mean to accuse anyone in particular of > causing my problem. It makes it easier if someone either top or bottom > posts, but I'm certainly not going to insist on it. I also need to > figure out how to just

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

Dne 22.9.2015 v 00:00 Owen Taylor napsal(a): > On Thu, 2015-09-17 at 23:26 +0200, Germano Massullo wrote: >> Il 17/09/2015 21:13, Andrew Lutomirski ha scritto: >>> To clarify: did you get blasted by music or by video conference >>> sounds? If the music volume got louder, then it sounds like

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 05:31 -0500, kendell clark wrote: > hi > I'm ambivolent on the subject. If flat volumes become a problem, I > know > how to turn them off. However, I think because of all the complaints > here by people who have a very good track record and don't complain > often, this seems

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

On Thu, 17.09.15 20:59, Germano Massullo (germano.massu...@gmail.com) wrote: > Today I had a scary experience with the audio of my computer. > I was listening to music with Amarok, using my headphones... The KMix > volume level was ~ 35%. When I logged into a video conference > application, the

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

Il 22/09/2015 03:43, Rex Dieter ha scritto: > Germano Massullo wrote: > >> Il 21/09/2015 21:45, Thomas Daede ha scritto: >>> Is there currently a bug open for this? I'd rather it not get lost. >> I think that a FESCo ticket would be more appropriate. > I think it would be premature to appeal to

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

- Original Message - > On Mon, 2015-09-21 at 18:00 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > > There is danger to the ears if an application assumes that 100% > > volume > > is a safe volume and blindly sets its volume to 100% without user > > input. But that only affects that application - one

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

hi I'm ambivolent on the subject. If flat volumes become a problem, I know how to turn them off. However, I think because of all the complaints here by people who have a very good track record and don't complain often, this seems to bear out what I've been trying to say. That this should be fixed

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:00 AM, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Thu, 2015-09-17 at 23:26 +0200, Germano Massullo wrote: >> Il 17/09/2015 21:13, Andrew Lutomirski ha scritto: >> > >> > To clarify: did you get blasted by music or by video conference >> > sounds? If the music volume

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 15:51 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Thu, 17.09.15 20:59, Germano Massullo (germano.massu...@gmail.com) > wrote: > > > Today I had a scary experience with the audio of my computer. > > I was listening to music with Amarok, using my headphones... The > > KMix > >

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

On Mon, 2015-09-21 at 17:46 -0700, Thomas Daede wrote: > In the case of Youtube, you shouldn't be having any issues because > Mozilla switched to using a soft mixer internal to Firefox: > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1046814 > > If you still have issues, you should report them

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

Thomas Daede wrote: > Um, that bug looks totally unrelated to the problems reported here. It was referenced in the first post of this thread. :) -- Rex > On 09/21/2015 06:51 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: >> Rex Dieter wrote: >> >>> Germano Massullo wrote: >>> Il 21/09/2015 21:45, Thomas Daede ha

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

hi I don't know, but if there's not, I'll go file one and post the link here. Thanks Kendell clark On 09/21/2015 02:45 PM, Thomas Daede wrote: > Is there currently a bug open for this? I'd rather it not get lost. > > On 09/17/2015 11:59 AM, Germano Massullo wrote: >> === >> Definition of

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

hi Yup, I've seen all these use cases. TBH, this really should be handled in pulse audio. IE this isn't so much a problem of gnome, although I do agree taht they should make app volumes easier to set, as it is a pulse audio problem. Pulse audio should be smart enough to handle such use cases and

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

> Today I had a scary experience with the audio of my computer. > I was listening to music with Amarok, using my headphones... The KMix volume > level was ~ 35%. When I logged into a video conference application, the > volume suddenly reached the 100%. I was shocked, having the maximum audio >

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

On Mon, 21 Sep 2015, Owen Taylor wrote: Experimenting with GNOME, the model presented to the user seems to be:  - Each application's volume control separate goes from 0-100% of the    maximum system volume.   - Adjusting each application is independent  - Modifying the system global volume

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

Germano Massullo wrote: > Il 21/09/2015 21:45, Thomas Daede ha scritto: >> Is there currently a bug open for this? I'd rather it not get lost. > I think that a FESCo ticket would be more appropriate. I think it would be premature to appeal to FESCo without giving pulseaudio maintainers a chance

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

Um, that bug looks totally unrelated to the problems reported here. On 09/21/2015 06:51 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > Rex Dieter wrote: > >> Germano Massullo wrote: >> >>> Il 21/09/2015 21:45, Thomas Daede ha scritto: Is there currently a bug open for this? I'd rather it not get lost. >>> I think

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

hi Not to go off topic, but I keep hearing comparisons between linux and windows in this regard. I haven't used windows in ages, but how does windows avoid this problem, or does it? Maybe we could do something similar to what they do? I still say pulse audio needs to fix this, and keep it fixed.

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

On Mon, 2015-09-21 at 18:00 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > There is danger to the ears if an application assumes that 100% > volume > is a safe volume and blindly sets its volume to 100% without user > input. But that only affects that application - one application's > misbehavior never affects

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

In the case of Youtube, you shouldn't be having any issues because Mozilla switched to using a soft mixer internal to Firefox: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1046814 If you still have issues, you should report them upstream. (note that this means all website volume sliders are

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

On Thu, 2015-09-17 at 23:26 +0200, Germano Massullo wrote: > Il 17/09/2015 21:13, Andrew Lutomirski ha scritto: > > > > To clarify: did you get blasted by music or by video conference > > sounds?  If the music volume got louder, then it sounds like either > > a > > straight-up bug in PulseAudio

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

OK, here's a couple of counterexamples, still using default apps: - I start chatting on Firefox with WebRTC and I can't hear the person talking over my music. So I open the GNOME control center and make Firefox louder. Pulseaudio is awesome. But now, the volume of all of my other applications is

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

Is there currently a bug open for this? I'd rather it not get lost. On 09/17/2015 11:59 AM, Germano Massullo wrote: > === > Definition of flat-volumes from [1] : it scales the device-volume with > the volume of the "loudest" application. For example, raising the VoIP > call volume will raise

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

Il 21/09/2015 21:45, Thomas Daede ha scritto: > Is there currently a bug open for this? I'd rather it not get lost. I think that a FESCo ticket would be more appropriate. I will open it during next days. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

=== Definition of flat-volumes from [1] : it scales the device-volume with the volume of the "loudest" application. For example, raising the VoIP call volume will raise the hardware volume and adjust the music-player volume so it stays where it was, without having to lower the volume of the

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Germano Massullo wrote: > > Today I had a scary experience with the audio of my computer. > I was listening to music with Amarok, using my headphones... The KMix volume > level was ~ 35%. When I logged into a video conference

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

On 09/17/2015 01:59 PM, Germano Massullo wrote: > I found many users stories complaining about this default setting [2] [3] [4] > and you can easily find other by searching "pulseaudio flat volumes". > I completely agree with user gaggra comment at [3] > > < misbehaving software can /physically

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

Il 17/09/2015 21:13, Andrew Lutomirski ha scritto: > > To clarify: did you get blasted by music or by video conference > sounds? If the music volume got louder, then it sounds like either a > straight-up bug in PulseAudio (and a severe and dangerous one at that) > or a serious bug in your video

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

hi I can second this. Currently we do this in sonar on versions after 2015.3, which have to be built atm. There are two applications off the top of my head I know of that will currently do this. They are, kodi media center, and qemu virtualization software, if you emulate a sound card of anything

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I also absolutely hate flat-volumes. Often I have trouble getting an application loud enough, and discover that it's too low in the mixer. The idea of flat volumes is to avoid a global volume, but the way it interacts is super confusing and unlike any other system people use (except maybe Android,

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

On Thu, 2015-09-17 at 15:33 -0700, Thomas Daede wrote: > That said, flat-volume is the upstream default so we might want their > input, as well as looking at what other distros do. Ubuntu disables it. To the best of my knowledge, all other distros stick with the upstream default. I am in favor

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

hi The only negative issue, although to me it's more of an oh, that's right moment, is that you can no longer adjust application volumes up beyond the master volume, only down, but that's kind of the idea. I do suggest, and I don't know how easy this would be to do, that sound application

Re: Disable PulseAudio flat volumes to prevent it from pushing volume level to max

hi I'll second michael. Although I'll add that this should probably be a temporary measure. This really should be addressed by pulseaudio upstream, so that flat volumes can still be used, even with misbehaving applications. There's currently zero documentation on what causes this, whic means for