Fedora's purpose [was Re: Editions vs. Spins...] DNF UUID)

2019-01-15 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 07:58:43PM -0500, John Harris wrote: > > Merging Core and Extras into one thing was absolutely the > > right thing to do for the project, but not having a unique name for the > > resulting OS was a mistake and leads to this. Ah well. > In your opinion, is the purpose of the

Re: Editions vs. Spins

2019-01-14 Thread Japheth Cleaver
On 1/14/2019 4:58 PM, John Harris wrote: On Monday, January 14, 2019 6:48:47 PM EST Matthew Miller wrote: Merging Core and Extras into one thing was absolutely the right thing to do for the project, but not having a unique name for the resulting OS was a mistake and leads to this. Ah well. In

Re: Editions vs. Spins (was: Re: F30: System-Wide Change proposal: DNF UUID)

2019-01-14 Thread John Harris
On Monday, January 14, 2019 6:48:47 PM EST Matthew Miller wrote: > Merging Core and Extras into one thing was absolutely the > right thing to do for the project, but not having a unique name for the > resulting OS was a mistake and leads to this. Ah well. In your opinion, is the purpose of the

Re: Editions vs. Spins (was: Re: F30: System-Wide Change proposal: DNF UUID)

2019-01-14 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 09:12:51PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > It's not an artificial distinction. Editions are particular solutions > > targeting particular key use cases identified by the Fedora Board (and now > > Council). This is different from a desktop Spin, which is focused on > >

Re: Editions vs. Spins (was: Re: F30: System-Wide Change proposal: DNF UUID)

2019-01-14 Thread Dan Book
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 6:20 PM wrote: > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 12:05 PM, John Harris > wrote: > > The easiest way to make any of the Spins more accessible, for them to > > have any > > chance comparable to the prominent advertising of Workstation and > > similar > > options, would be to make

Re: Editions vs. Spins (was: Re: F30: System-Wide Change proposal: DNF UUID)

2019-01-14 Thread mcatanzaro
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 12:05 PM, John Harris wrote: The easiest way to make any of the Spins more accessible, for them to have any chance comparable to the prominent advertising of Workstation and similar options, would be to make them more prominent on the "getfedora" index. This also have

Re: Editions vs. Spins (was: Re: F30: System-Wide Change proposal: DNF UUID)

2019-01-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
or from Labs, which are focused on > more niche use cases. This is a political/marketing distinction and not a technical one. For Editions vs. Spins, the Editions are in practice all focusing on a particular technology: Workstation on GNOME, Server on server software, and Atomic/Silverblue on

Re: Editions vs. Spins

2019-01-14 Thread Dan Book
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 1:48 PM Japheth Cleaver wrote: > On 1/13/2019 10:19 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 07:51:34PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > >>> Side note, I was at a loss of what you were getting at. There were > several

Re: Editions vs. Spins

2019-01-14 Thread Japheth Cleaver
On 1/13/2019 10:19 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 07:51:34PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Stephen John Smoogen wrote: Side note, I was at a loss of what you were getting at. There were several ways it could be interpreted and has been used by people in the past to

Re: Editions vs. Spins (was: Re: F30: System-Wide Change proposal: DNF UUID)

2019-01-14 Thread John Harris
On Monday, January 14, 2019 12:56:30 PM EST Matthew Miller wrote: > I think it's better to not focus so much on the central page or on the > "getfedora" brochure site, and to instead make the page for each particular > solution more useful and more discoverable. The easiest way to make any of the

Re: Editions vs. Spins (was: Re: F30: System-Wide Change proposal: DNF UUID)

2019-01-14 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 07:51:34PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > I think John's statement was pretty clear: The artificial distinction > between "Editions" and "Spins" needs to go away. It's not an artificial distinction. Editions are particular solutions targeting particular key use cases

Re: Editions vs. Spins (was: Re: F30: System-Wide Change proposal: DNF UUID)

2019-01-13 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 07:51:34PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > Side note, I was at a loss of what you were getting at. There were several > > ways it could be interpreted and has been used by people in the past to > > mean different things. > > I think John's

Re: Editions vs. Spins (was: Re: F30: System-Wide Change proposal: DNF UUID)

2019-01-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > Side note, I was at a loss of what you were getting at. There were several > ways it could be interpreted and has been used by people in the past to > mean different things. I think John's statement was pretty clear: The artificial distinction between "Editions" and

Editions vs. Spins (was: Re: F30: System-Wide Change proposal: DNF UUID)

2019-01-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
John Harris wrote: > Really, the issue there is specifically that it isn't "just another spin", +1 This pointless artificial distinction between "Editions" and "Spins" needs to stop (because there is no technical difference whatsoever between the 2 concepts), as does the unfair advertising